Love the fact that Jotaro only panicked, not while fighting DIO or Kira, but during the final fight against Pucci, and just because Jolyne's life was in severe danger. Jotaro absolutely knows how to keep his cool!
Just shows how much he loves Jolyne, he’s never had trouble sacrificing for the sake of eliminating the enemy but when he saw Pucci’s knives suspended in the air he was genuinely scared, scared he might lose his daughter, and though he could’ve eliminated Pucci he chose to save what he had left.. his daughter. That was honestly the greatest Jotaro moment ever, it shows that even though he’s one of the most powerful stand users in the world he’s still only human.
The biggest factor most people forget when discussing Jojo characters, is the horrible range of most stands. There is nothing stopping gojo from teleporting on top of a tower and nuking everything below him.
But to do that gojo first needs to realise that jotaros stand even exists+ has a small range ( bc stands are invisible for people without a stand) obv if you give him that knowledge before the fight he could do that
@@fernandogarcia4027 What makes you think that they could? Six Eyes couldn't tell him Getos body was inhabited by Kenjaku so it can't invade/sense anything related to the mind. It's been stated many time in jojo that stands are manifestations of ones own fighting spirit and therefore the mind or soul itself. In Conclusion, Gojo can't see stands
Domain expansions definetely take time to activate as shown in the first Mahito fight. Both Yuji and Nanami were able to react and move in response to the handsign and barrier formation. It seems that Gojo's expands faster than Mahitos's as it creates it's barrier but it's still smt that people can react to, especially as the user has to do the handsign and prepare themselves for activation. The main idea of domain expansions is bassically a bowl filled with water, with the barrier being the bowl and the water being the user's cursed energy. In that aspect the user has to create the bowl and then fill it with their cursed energy which might be fast enough to catch someone off guard, but not instant.
Gojo can make a 0.2 second domain expansion, that's not the time to activate, but the time it takes to prepare, cast, expand, have it's intended effect and dissapear. Jotaro is cooked.
@wumbojet I'm pretty sure the 0.2 seconds refers to the amount of time the Domain is active. Reasons being that's the amount of time that Infinite Void was putting infinite information into the minds of the effected, and that Yuji and Todo were able to react by beginning to run and activate Simple Domain. Although, for both Gojo and Mahito, the only time it takes them to activate is making the decision and sign, so it's pretty immediate
If we use frames from the show and figure out how quickly the domain reaches the edges of the screen and the distance between the characters and what we can see, you could quite easily calculate how quickly a 200m domain takes to fully activate. I won't be the one to do it though, that's likely a job for reddit.
he first had to show the mark on his chest, and yes the bowl of the domain appeared instantly, it took a few seconds for the actual domain effect to kick in @@russianbot5302
The way gojo explains it is that he used to manually perceive threats and activate limitless in response but since he "awakened" he found a way to automate the process. However, in stopped time not even the six eyes would be able to perceive any threats, since there's literally no time for it. Also you could argue that the six eyes can't see stands at all, in which case Gojo would very much be vulnerable to getting blitzed
@@kaijuge6934 that's not how that works, time doesn't pass inside the realm itself but that doesn't mean the person inside it is but affected, however time stop outside of that pocket realm would surely, make gojo not move since it's not bounded by an object properties.
@@kaijuge6934 time doesnt pass in the prison realm but thats different from moving in stopped time. Since the whole ability is to lock someone in there without the regard of time. The point is to keep gojo in there for years but not let him die but that doesnt mean he just cant move. But even so he didnt get out the realm on his own. Hana Kurusu broke it
This is as bad as saying Goku can move in space time bc he was moving around with zeno in a destroyed timeline, like no thats not how that works.@kaijuge6934
Personally think that Stands should be affected by Gojo's infinity, because even when Stands are made of a different energy than anything Gojo has shown to have dealt with.... The way Gojo's barrier works is by turning the potential infinite amount of decimals between each number, into an actual infinite distance. Edit: Just read more in depth in how Gojo's Infinity works, and while it is technically true that it makes the infinite decimals between each whole number a reality... I was wrong in the nature of how it does so. As Gojo's infinity doesn't actually multiply existing space, but rather it divides it a infinite amount of times. Basically meaning that the closer you get to Gojo's barrier, the distance you travel per second gets smaller and smaller until you practically arent moving at all. Being a "space slow" that gets infinitely close to a full "space stop", rather than the typical time slow, essentially. For the sake of not deleting parts of this comment, Im just gonna strike through the parts I dont think are accurate anymore. So it technically doesnt block anything, -Gojo is just- -too far away- -from anything to- -reach him.- Gojo doesnt technically get further away, the distance you travel over time just get so infitismally smaller, you practically cant cross the 0.000000000000~∞~01st inch of the very surface of said barrier. Stands are restricted by distance, particularly in case of Stands like Star Platinum which got a very limited range in how far away they can be away from their user. So Spacial abilities should work against JoJo like itd do on anyone else. -That said, considering that- -Gojo's infinity seems- -to only go on the absolute- -micro level,- (the barrier can be expanded to cover bigger areas too) on top of being an active ability that happens under time... I do think Jotaro could *potentially* bypass the infinity with the time stop. Since when the time is stopped in that case, you no longer get an infinite(-tly divided) distance within Gojo's barrier, but a finite amount of decimals which are still less than 1 milimeter, of which Star Platinum can cross instantly.
Gojo's barrier is just a worse version of the stand Green Green Grass of Home. Plenty of stands could mop gojo. Death 13, Sethan, Cream, The Hand, Heavens Door, Bites The Dust, cheap trick, Chariot Requiem, Grateful Dead, Metallica, Green Day, Heavy Weather, Bohemian Rapsody, Tusk Act 4, Ball breaker, D4C, and Ozon Baby would all be able to bypass or work around the infinity.
except infinity isnt capable of creating literal distance. its only capable of slowing things to to simulate distance. the stand is still within normal distance to the user so it wouldn't stop working.
@@emilioparrilla465 theres many ways to bypass grass of home; you could kill them with shockwaves, box them in, trap them in a vacuum, 1. death13 wouldnt take away gojos infinity as its subconscious and perpetually on, regardless of if hes asleep or not. 2. he would have to be relatively close and has no feats which imply he wouldnt just instantly die from a red/blue 3. cream cant do anything. it only teleports away matter, while infinity creates space between the user where it gets exponentially slowed down 4. similar case to cream; even if you wanted to make the case that it can erase space, that takes time and in that time gojo could cast a domain expansion 5. wouldnt work, infinity is subconscious and perpetually on 6. for bites the dust to activate, killer queen has to be seen (gojo is not a stand user) or it has to enter the targets eye (which wont happen because of infinity) 7. cant attach to gojos back because of infinity (are you starting to see the pattern) 8. jujutsu sorcerers have resistance to all forms of soul manipulation, nanami (who is much weaker than gojo) subconsciously protected his soul before knowing about mahitos technique. mahito has a much stronger scale of soul manipulation than cr 9. infinity would block the aging effect, and even if prosciutto used the area aging ability it would still be stuck travelling through infinity. that, and gojo can just fly 10. 10m range, completely blocked by infinity creating an infinite space 11. mold travels through the air, blocked by infinity 12. all blocked by infinity. even if you tried to argue that pressurised gases would kill gojo, he can just heal with rct and cast a domain expansion if he really needs to 13. bohemian rhapsody is absolutely horrendous in a one on one fight, you have very little control over it and countering it is trivially easy compared to many cursed techniques in jjk. gojo would have no problem working out how to play around this 14. so, if we are giving ta4 infinity bypass: a) neither gojo nor johnny are bloodlusted and are unaware of each others abilities gojo wins, since johnny would take too long working out how infinity works and charging up infinite rotation. gojo isnt stupid, he can just teleport away as he shoots and kill johnny if he hadnt done so prior b) neither gojo nor johnny are bloodlusted but are aware of each others abilities gojo casts domain and wins c) both are bloodlusted but are unaware of each others abilities gojo one shots with red/purple d) both are bloodlusted and are aware of each others abilities gojo casts domain and wins 15. gojo can just blow their arms off 16. interesting, but gojo can just trap him in a tiny barrier and force him into a binding vow 17. limited range, completely blocked by infinity (besides, all the effects can be healed through rct) so out of the 17 opponents, there was one case in which their abilities would even potentially pose a threat to gojo (being ta4) and he can easily play around that abusing johnnys absolutely horrendous physical stats
Here's what I think happens. First of all, I don't think Gojo will immediately pop domain expansion, either will Jotaro immediately use time stop (unless they were given information on each other's abilities beforehand). 1. Gojo uses Blue on himself to move towards Jotaro in an instant. 2. Jotaro reacts and they both hit each other at the same time (non fatal wounds). 3. Gojo backs off quickly. He wonders what he's been hit by because he can't see stands. He also wonders how he could have been hit; his Infinity didn't detect anything on the physical plane of existence and therefore didn't place an infinite distance between Star Platinum and himself. 4. Jotaro recognizes Gojo's speed because of this first encounter and therefore stops time. He gets to Gojo and barrages him, fatally wounding Gojo. 5. Time resumes, Gojo is sent flying by the impact of the punches ensued during stopped time. Jotaro thinks it is over, but Gojo uses Reverse Cursed Technique to heal himself. 6. Gojo recognizes that he can be killed in an instant, so he uses his domain expansion. Gojo's domain is a physical space, so Star Platinum, being a spiritual power, would not be flooded with infinite information. Jotaro is paralyzed, but because stands can act independently of their users, Star Platinum is not. 7. Here's where things get debatable. If Gojo feels comfortable enough to approach Jotaro (which he has no reason not to be, knowing Jotaro is paralyzed by his ability), Gojo will probably have his brain smushed by the fists of Star Platinum. But if Gojo plays it safe and just uses one of his cursed techniques from a range (blue, red, or purple), Jotaro will die.
nope thats bs and nonsense, hamon energy turned to stands and all joestar bloodline carry the power to use it . besides OH stomps the entire jjk verse@@kod5660
@@kod5660his point at the end was that if gojo tried killing jotaro the same way he killed jogo the first the time (ripping off his head) then star platinum would kill gojo, but if gojo decided to use blue, red, or hollow purple from a distance then he wins. jotaro should be able to withstand it just as long as jogo did even if it was only a couple seconds
@@kado786 No because Jogo has some level of resistance where as Jotaro is a normal person.. They pointed out the difference in the Shibuya arc. Jotaro would die from just those few seconds.
Honestly this analysis seems to leave out a lot of important factors, specially in terms of Gojo's abilities. The most confusing aspect of this video is the fact that none of Gojo's ranged attacks are even acknowledged, which would wildly alter the outcome of the fight even without contesting any of the claims made in the video. Blue, Red and specially Purple would be quite hard to manage, as even with time stop, we have seen Jotaro been threatened by slower projectiles at many times throughout the series. Dio's knives and [Part 6 Spoilers] Pucci's could be justified by the involvement of other time altering abilities evening the odds against Jotaro, but we saw how the rat was able to get him with a ricochet in part 4, and we know that even regular bullets put a threat on his life (since he opted to defend against them in part 6, instead of focusing on whitesnake, after using his body to push Jolyne out of the way of Johngalli A's attack). This all points towards Jotaro having quite a hard time defending against Blue, Red and Purple, which are long range attacks with an area of effect, shown to destroy buildings and damage opponents with far more durability than could ever be ascribed to a human. The fact that Gojo doesn't just release these effect, but can direct their position after firing them, giving them s sort of homing effect, further complicates things for Jotaro. To make matters worse, the video also fails to account for Gojo's durability, both in terms of feats, but most importantly in terms of his healing abilities. Gojo would at the very least be comparable to Dio in terms of healing, as he was able to outheal uncountable cuts coming from all directions during his latest fight, as well as regrow a severed limb. Based on this, we know for a fact that even if Stands weren't affected by infinity (which I don't necessarily agree with, but I digress), Jotaro wouldn't get an automatic win by unleashing an Ora Ora on Gojo, even with the help of stopped time, since this wasn't able to singlehandedly take out Dio either. One last point I wanted to address in regard to Domains: Kaleb is right in that Domains aren't necessarily instantaneous. They require a handsign, which is how the domain is unleashed, and there is normally a delay before the Domain's sure hit effect activates. However, Gojo happens to be one of the few characters skilled enough to unleash a domain and activate the sure hit effect in a singular motion, meaning that he only needs to do the handsign to affect Jotaro with his Domain. This is a rather fast movement, but I do wonder how it fares in comparison to the activation of Time Stop. If we take it that Dio and Jotaro actually have to shout out "Za Warudo" to activate it, I think Domain activation would be on par if not faster than Time Stop activation. If we were to treat the "Za Warudo" cry as flavor, we could argue for Za Warudo being instantaneous or reaction time based, which would give it an edge, but I don't know the stance of the community on this matter.
I do think you are right with the ranged attacks and the reversed cursed techniques, as if used correctly could cause Jotaro to lose, however the argument of an Ora Ora strike not working sense Dio survived is kinda flawed, as he is a Vampire with a naturally more resistant body on top of a healing factor. There is a very high chance Jotaro could one shot Gojo sense most of the punches are directed to the head, and Star platinum is not only relative to Stone Free, which can destroy meteors, but outclasses it in strength, being the strongest physical stand, so I do think a barrage of meteor busting punches to the head would kill Gojo. Also, don’t get me wrong 0.02 seconds of activation is fast, but it isn’t even close to Jotaro. The supposed rule of needing to shout za wardo in order to activate is wrong, not only has Jotaro used time stop without saying it, but you forget that Dio used time stop during the beginning of the fight against the crusader’s without saying the word until Joseph realized what the ability was, and Joseph has light speed reaction time mind you, so I really doubt Dio just happened to say it ultra fucking fast without him noticing. And even if that rule did exist, Jotaro still would be faster, sense he effectively used it the instant Pucci Killed Anasui, Pucci at this point in the story had infinite speed capable of blitzing even Jotaro’s reaction time, no one, not even dio, blitzed Jotaro’s reaction time before or since Made in Heaven.
There's this part in the JJK manga where they talk about hand signs to make domains. It is necessary to do the hand sign to activate a domain and that hand sign isn't instant. Jotaro could easily predict that with his precision and eyesight.
@@scootmainshortstop8095 I don't know man! It's almost like the reason Jotaro saved his and a bunch of other lives is because he prevented a villain from activating an ability with a hand sign! But I mean... there's no way he'd think of that, right?
@@vescindul unless you’re about to argue that jotaro has 15,000 iq there is literally no way to connect his limitless to his domain expansion, he only uses one hand and just crosses his fingers. Jotaro has zero clue on who gojo is and has no chance of making it out of the radius in 200milliseconds. And I’m well aware that jotaro isn’t actually affected by IV but gojo still gets an amp to his powers so in the very worst case he throws out an ad lib purple and vaporizes jotaro instantly
@@scootmainshortstop8095 Gojo still has to say "Domain Expansion Infinite Void." Jotaro would verbally hear this, and see his hand sign. Jotaro is smart enough to know "Hey, this guy is trying to do something. Last time I dealt with a guy using hand signs he was able to literally explode time itself. I should stop this quickly." (He literally says that he likes to end fights quickly) So he send Star Platinum, mind you which at a LOWBALL can go the speed of light. I'm 99% certain that Star Platinum can reach Gojo before Gojo's Domain is deployed.
@@scootmainshortstop8095he still needs to say the words bruh. Jotaro is FTL against some "Kpop idol" moving at MHS there is no chances he will just let it happens
Gojo's infinity is a barrier around him that slows down dangerous objects. Considering that Jotaro can stop time completely and his speed is the same as the speed of light infinity really won't do much
If Joseph’s hamon( a breathing technique btw) stayed active during time stop, infinity would still be active since it’s confirmed abilities stay active during time stop
@@myusername3689 Agreed. Touching Hamon Would Be Like Touching Lava. Whether Or Not Time Is Stop, It Will Still Hurt. Infinity Needs To Detect If A Target Is A Threat
@@myusername3689 no, people seem to miss this, but the detection in gojo's limitless is not a blacklist, it's a whitelist. When Gojo was going to fight sukuna, itadori told him to disable his infinity to properly give him a slap on the back. There's literally zero way that slap would've harmed him in any way at all, but he still had to deactivate it for it to happen.
@@myusername3689 Not really infinity doesnt need to rely on detection, when gojo was a teen he used to just keep it active 24/7 without detection but its much more draining. However if jojo stops time and punches him techincally those punches will be moving at an infinite speed therefore he should be able to break gojos barrier
But those abilities are not quite the same in terms of execution. Hamon is like wearing a blanket, when time stops, you still have the blanket on you, and thus it's still active. Joseph stopped breathing in stopped time, but the Hamon energy itself hadn't left his body yet, and so residual left over Hamon is still in his body. Infinity is like a car engine, Gojo can turn the engine on or off, but chooses to leave it on most of the time. If time stops, would that stop the motion of the engine? Essentially it begs the question of: Does Gojo need time to influence the space around him? If time is stopped, how does that influence the movement of space? Honestly it's kinda inconclusive.
the whole point of gojos training at the end of hidden inventory arc, is so that he doesn't have to turn it on, but to turn himself into a cursed energy battery and never release his technique, thats why sneak attacks (like when choso attacked from behind right before he was sealed) get nullified.
infinity doesn't need to rely on detection, when gojo was a teen he used to just keep it active 24/7 without detection but its much more draining. However if jojo stops time and punches him technically those punches will be moving at an infinite speed therefore he should be able to break gojos barrier. Also i feel star plantinum would be a curse like Rika. Because they follow kinda similar principals where normal people arent able to see them.
@@boiexe2105that’d mean everyone on earth would be dead as if this dumb bozo’s thinking was true, jotaro’s ts punches would generate infinite impulse thereby making it momentum. even then as others said, why would goatjo not have knowledge of infinity? i mean the only reason they’d fight is if they got into a genuine confrontation. or in like an arena. why would it be fair to just give one knowledge of the other, i mean sure you can say jotaro wouldn’t know about infinity, but even then jotaro isn’t a (physically) violent guy. unless he has to be, and in this case, why wouldn’t goatjo just one shot him if they’re in an arena with knowledge of each others capabilities??
@@lost4030 lmao, that's velocity. velocity represents the rate at which an objects position changes, hence the time in the equation. speed is the distance it takes. for example, speed is how fast you travel. velocity is speed in a given direction, which implies impact. this person is referring to speed and impact
@@MattHardyV1 op was stating that star platinum's attack could go through infinity (infinite amount of finite space) because it can do things in 0 time (time stop), op did not refer to impact.
With how psychologically fortified Jotaro is, I feel like this may be reaching, but, I genuinely feel like he could just ignore Gojo’s domain expansion
Stupid question, but if he can perceive in stopped time, the perspection he had with dio, it is rlly imaginable to me, as in, the speed of his mind to do, even if it's the same type stand. Now can he mange or tank infinite void, as he can taking an immeasurable amount of info at high speed with a similarity to timestop😂
@@stack4229It’s still stated that weeks have gone by in the Prison Realm by the time Gojo was unsealed. It’s more implied that time flows differently in the prison realm than stopping entirely.
@@myusername3689 weeks had gone by in real time, the cast states time doesnt pass in prison realm so they dont know how gojo felt in it. kenjaku, hana kurusu, and guides all say time itself does not pass.
@@myusername3689time doesn't pass inside the prison realm, we're not sure if Goji spent a literal second of millennia inside. The point of why we don't know is that Goji was already so isolated that the time inside the prison realm literally didn't affect him at all
Random thought: What if in the context of JJK Timestop acts as a domain which results in a Domain clash? We see Timestop appear as a bubble so what if we apply it as a domain in a sense? Another thought: IF we do apply it in that context, what if Jotaro is able to invade domains in the same way he invaded DIO's timestop? Just a buncha interesting questions I figured I'd ask
He invaded Dio’s because Dio’s won out, but he could probably stop Limitless regardless given that it’s still an X units of information per fractions of a second thing, given prolonged exposure makes it worse and go from paralysis to basically brain-to-mush
also, no matter whether domain expansion is instant or not, Satoru Gojo won't BEGIN a fight with that. He sees a cocky high schooler with zero cursed energy and two belts, he is not going to immediately use his strongest techniques like domain expansion or purple nuke or whatever. He's fast and uses cursed energy, for most everyday fights that's more than enough. So he tries to attack, but before he took his first step his blindfold is on backwards and he is being pummeled by invisible metal fists that he can't see. Either he is defeated then and there, or he then gets serious and beats Jotaro unconscious very quickly
Given how infinite works time stop which would have infinite speed from his reference point would be able to punch through and mop him up pretty much instantly because SPs attack would also hit instantly giving no time for enforcement with cursed energy, his head would pop like a water balloon
Since they're both in character, Jotaro just bypasses infinity,(with or without time stop), Gojo gets ora ora-ed but since Jotaro doesn't kill his opponents, Gojo just heals after that and he just fries his brain with domain expansion, the end
Just off first impressions- I would assume the battle hinges on wether or not Jotaro can nullify ‘infinity’ with timestop and/or changing the tangibility of Star Platinum. Given how smart and experienced(the both of them but especially) Jotaro is, he would only need to see RCT in action once or twice to understand he needs to destroy Gojo’s brain IF he can actually touch him. Edit: after watching the video, yeah, Jotaro clears lmao, also we can’t just make up what limitless doesn’t block without evidence otherwise we can do that with Jotaro in which case timestop could just count as it’s own domain or domain amplification and then it’s even more Gojover for Satoru
@@wumbojet domain expansion wouldn't even work on Jotaro, because he has no cursed energy, like maki or toji. So any domain other than Sukuna's would literally do nothing. The only thing that matters is whether or not Jotaro can hit Gojo
Btw there isn't any scaling for activation times of domain expansions, besides comparing to other people, example gojo vs. sukuna, one activated it 0.01 seconds faster. The "instant" part refers to the sure-hit effects of domains where an attack does not exist until it has hit you, therefore instant. The tug-of-war mechanics of domain expansions allow for one to respond with their own domain, so its highly unlikely it is for sure, instant activation.
If a stand is a manifestation of the soul, does that mean mahito can see it and actually interact with it? So by extent, a sorcerer like nanami, who has some instinct about the soul can probably sense it. And if it can be sensed, then the soul has some concept to cursed energy, which means that it might interact with limitless, rather than a fully psychic ability like prof x. Anyways, interesting thing to think about.
gojo's infinity would only work if 1-1/2-1/4-1/8.... = infinity, which it isnt. (zeno's paradox is based on the belief that an infinite amount of numbers results in an infinite number, which it doesnt) so, its a lot more like a reverse green, green grass of home where instead of making the other person smaller, the space between you and your enemy expands so, its probably just manipulating space and the "time" part was just something the author wrote because it sounded cool
no I get what youre saying but you literally started by saying that it needs time to work. if you stop time then you can make contact since infinite time no longer exist
@@organsnatcher8395 no, that is not what i'm saying. infinity will work during a timestop because a timestop takes a moment in time and extends it, which means gojo's infinity will be active.
im like 90% sure that infinity can't defend against time stop due to the fact how it's an active ability that became automatic what i mean by that it's not 100% automatic indefinitely gojo literally makes infinity work by his brain running calculations so like i don't know why infinity wouldn't be canceled from an indefinite timestop.
infinity is also subconcious, it activates without him knowing he's in danger some times. And even still, time doesn't pass in the prision realm and he had infinity there?
@@SonGoku59249 he thinks gojo has inaccessible speed, or limitless gives time stop resistance, but gege confimrs this isn't the case as he says in guides and interviews that our rules of time do not apply to the prison realm, and that time not passing just means one doesn't starve or need to defecate. not only that he also says that the point of the prison realm is to drive prisoners to suicide, which means unless he can prove the prison realm's creator was specifically targeting the six eyes of the Gojo clan, Satoru doesn't have time stop resistance and if time stop can be in a domain clash it is even more Gojover for Satoru
while I believe you've made a good point talking about possible problems with stands functioning on a different plane from regular matter from what we see in Jojo's they still do have to travel distances similarly to a physical object and thus I think that any stand would still have to pass through infinite distance before hitting Gojo and you have to factor in that Gojo is REALLY hard to kill even for Jotaro Gojo's regeneration could definetly match Dio's
Gojo's regeneration is way better than Dio's has always been, the only difference is that gojo is still human and needs to actively heal while dio is an immortal vampire who regenerates automatically.
@@CrusaderMan-vf7hf then Gojo can't regenerate that's quite simple But 1 Jotaro doesn't know that and 2 he isn't exactly known for cutting anybody and Gojo could mitigate even severe non cursed energy related brain damage as he has shown before My point is that even if stands can pass through limitless which depends on the interpretation of both as long as Gojo doesn't die in one hit he can get back up And an important factor to the fight is that Gojo can fight very effectively from range while Jotaro cannot
Also Gojo would have to perceive an attack to use infinity. Therefore since Gojo (maybe) cannot see stands he wouldn't perceive star platinum's punches so he would be attacked
If Gojo makes makes infinite space but star platinum moves at an infinite speed when the time is stopped. Because t=0 and S=any number, V=Any number/0 which breaks physics so i think its fair.
If your not equalizing verses bro then gojo’s domain won’t recognize him cause he has no cursed energy so that’s kinda a big thing under your rule set. Thats been established in the series so basically unlimited void won’t recognizable him. Also you can make the argument since star platinum kinda has its own mindset the effect would only hit Jogo and star platinum could react to any attack after.
dont act like unlimited void is a win condition. gojos six eyes could probably percieve star platinum and if not, the differences in air. and if gojo got hit once by something invisible, he would know somethings up and would focus and easily be able to just range himself more than 2m away and just spam projectiles to kill jotaro easily
@@dex7549well, could he see souls without any sort of cursed energy? If so, perhaps he sees the stand thanks to six-eyes. Also, you do realise Jotaro has projectiles and long range attacks too, right? That weird Extendo-finger thing Star Platinum did, the fact it moves independently of JoJo, just throwing rocks, point is, he DOES have projectiles. And Time Stop means he has a guaranteed way in. That prison beyond time thing is like footage being put in between two frames, not performing a thousand acts in one frame.
@@Aaa-vp6ug jotaro wouldntt have 0 cursed energy, people with zero cursed energy are incredibly rare so jotaro would have cursed energy and the amount and versatility of gojos projectiles far outweigh the possible things jotaro could use. for example, gojo used a hollow purple from 2 or 3 km away and hit sukuna so he wouldnt have trouble with that and also unlimited void would turn him into a vegetable if hes exposed for more than 0.2 seconds, and even if he did do it for 0.2 seconds for whatever reason jotaro would still be in a comatose kind of state for 2 months
@@dex7549 what? That’s a bad case of unnecessary equalising. It’s like saying a bird needs gills to survive! Though, yeah, Gojo has better projectiles. Also, you do realise Jotaro has Lightspeed reaction time, right?
So the thing about Infinity is; it allows him to move in a space where neither time nor space is linked. This is shown in the Prison Realm Arc, when he was trapped within the Prison Realm; which he was still capable of movement in. Direct quote by Gojo; in both the anime and the manga. (This is shown to him due to his 6 Eyes Technique, which allows him to see the flow of Cursed Energy on a quantum level.) As for the 'equivalent of spiritual and magical abilities,' Gojo's Infinity is not limited to objects with Cursed Energy. If we assume verse equalization; Gojo would be able to see Star Platinum and even interact with him.
I’m not sure if you missed the hidden inventory arc but gojo explicitly states that his limitless technique automatically discerns an object danger based on speed mass and cursed energy. So to say he needs to do anything to make it an “active” defense is inaccurate.
If he's going with that stands are a psychic energy and Jotaro doesn't have any cursed energy, while in his timestop Star Platinum technically won't have a speed and just flatly won't have any mass or cursed energy
lol all stands / atkleast original jojo bloodline stands are hamon evolved form and hamon itself is life expanding on a greater scale . So no way gojo has anything over jotaro@@vongolatx4828
@@bruhgrranger4606 Correction they are not pyschic but spiritual, Also star platinum has a range of 2 meters. He is not crossing an infinite distance with 2 meters of range. And even if he COULD, Star platinum is affected by gravity (pucci) So gojo could just summon a blue inside of jotaro or near jotaro and bye bye Jojo and SP. I can argue gojo can sense SP based off the sheer amount of power SP is radiating off of, numerous statements of people backing off just because of Jotaro's (or star platinum's) Aura.
@@zyofroma5718the reason whyt its affected is pucci is a stand user. Non stand user can not hurt a stand its impossible and Gojo's sensing aint that grate. If gojo teleport behind jotaro, one ts and its over
This is crazy jotaro glazing, time stop wouldn’t make it through infinity because either everything sp touches gains some ability to move in ts for a brief amount of time such as knives, or time isn’t necessarily stopped but greatly slowed. And star platinums punches have to have some level of mass if they’re to do any damage if we’re following f=MxA so they would get stopped
good point but the point still stands that stands are manifestation of the soul and it is not a physical manifestation since normal humans can not see it or touch it so they have no mass. Even if the we consider sp punches have force we seen sp fists go through humans and then grab internal organs so technically if jotaro is smart was using his max potential in thinking he could. figure out that he could make his hands completely invisible so they can pass infinity barriers as the barrier wont detect sp fists then jotaro grabs his heart or any vital organ like the brain. This way reverse cursed energy wont pass to his body making him unable to heal or slow it down giving jotaro a chance make his hands nonexistent again and grab his heart next or just crush his whole abdomen giving jotaro the win. This all only works if jotaro was fast enough to figure it out before gojo decides using infinite void. Jotaro can do all of this in stop time due to the speed of sp. If what I said happens then gojo can not fight back and in less than a blink of an eye gojo gets washed. There is no glazing in my theory.
good thinking but time stop isnt what you think fellow , during time stop there's infinite force so just by that ability he cAN cross through anything and gojo's barrier stops during time stop/doesnt work as think , to stop any object gojo's senses has to perceive any physical moving object / mass but stands dont even have a physical form so they can easily cross any barrier gojo inifinite barrier works by multiplying distance between the object and space between him such that it never reaches him , BUT that distance multiplicator doesnt work if time isnt moving so again Gojo aint got shit on Jotaro gojo may be fast but star platinum is WAAY faster and more precise and lastly Gojo's battle IQ is significantly less than Jotaro and JOtaro never loses his cool ~
it is what physics dictate buddy ~ and lol no infinte force doesnt obliterate the universe time stoppage only occurs during the phenomenon of black holes where mass is infinite and lol as for gojo's infinity any stand can bypass the infinity since its not physical and time stoppage literally cancels out most ability as such And LOL i dont think you understand how Gojo's infinity actually works 0 it works on the principle of multiplying distance between the incoming object and himself as to create infinite distance between them , now if something super fast approaches his infinity where it crosses the distance quicker than it can multiply itself , that phenomenon bypasses the infinity . No wonder he died like a dog in front of sukuna - just displaying his average intellect and batlle IQ compared to the big guns here @@scootmainshortstop8095
gojo's infinity works on the principle of distance multiplication s if anything approaches him at such a fast rate that even after the distance multiplication the phenomenon traverses that distance then that object/phenomenon actually makes it through gojo's infinity barrier And its well established that Star PLatinum punches at the speed of light so easily all of those punches connect Gojo and Gojo would 1000% have no idea about it thereby finally meeting his doom with just few punches @@scootmainshortstop8095
Unless you do verse equalization, domain expansion won't do anything, because Jotaro has no cursed energy. So the outcome depends on whether or not Jotaro can hit Gojo, if he can't, then Gojo ends up winning, if he can, then he could take out Gojo.
what lmfao, jotaro is not toji. the entire reason goatjo didn’t use DE for over .2 seconds in shibuya was because of the citizens. their brains would’ve been fried if he killed the spirits and choso with it. how did you not read past like.. a few chapters?
bruh, how did you not read one comment, in jjk everyone has cursed enery, that is why geto wanted to kill them, the curse energy of the masses makes curse spirits. Anyway, now that I think about it, unlimited purple would take out Jotaro if the fight starts at range, since while star platinum might be able to tank a purple, and time stop could let him dodge it, unlimited purple has too much range to be dodged by time stop, and it would hit Jotaro too, who is not as durable as star platinum of course.@@MattHardyV1
@@nicolae8685 the heavenly restriction is what protects toji and maki and give them buffs for SACRIFICING cursed energy and their potential as a sorcerer, they are not that way for having no cursed energy but because of the heavenly restriction
Well the funny thing is Gojo Ulimted void wouldn't even work on jotaro because he doesn't think while fighting really In the death 13 fight when he was unconscious his stand still faught regardless is joataro told him to or not he doesnt even have to say anything and his stand would still attack you And UV only works if they are thinking about something so if he doesn't think then he should be fine, but if he does then star platinum would still attack anyway or use time stop @@MattHardyV1
This fight entirely depends on if stands count as cursed energy if not gojo cant sense star platinum and cant stop him with limitless and for the range jotaro can just freeze time to get closer And if gojo CAN see stands for gojo's limitless to work he needs to recognize the incoming attack or object as a threat he cant do that if the time is frozen
How can Gojo "actively" use Infinity in Time Stop if he can't move in Time Stop? Pretty good reason as to why there aren't any JJK characters that can freeze Time (fingers crossed Uraume doesn't disprove this)
@@wumbojetdoesnt pass doesnt means that time is stopped or there isnt time but is more like the time "moves" in a different manner, in this case you dont age but time do happen inside, ¿why? Cause gojo did in fact train, in comparison to a time in stasis where time does not pass like kawaki technique in boruto (first time boruto is useful and a good example in my life) the moment you enter and the moment you are out is the same, inside all and nothing happens at once
I couldnt modify my comment so XD, there is also a mention that they dont know how much time did pass inside (if i dont recall incorrectly is the angel) so the mention does give you a hint that time inside does move , but in a different way, also is mentioned that you dont age in another chapter, the same where they say that you can only use the barrier when the person inside dies ñ
@@chrisanthem9956 gojo says "it seems time doesn't pass here" with his six eyes that can reveal the nature of cursed energy and they can't die unless they kill themselves inside.
The thing is, Cursed Energy also exists on a different plane as people who don't have it cannot see it(similar to stands). Cursed Energy is formed out of emotions which could also be classified as something which exists within the mental plane, similar to psychic abilities
Kaleb could you consider doing a video idea on whether on not Gojo could take the place of each Jojo from each part and try and stop their main villain? Or could you think about doing a video where you discuss whether on not the infinite spin from Tusk Act 4 gets past Gojo. Thanks for making these videos 👍🏾.
I wonder what Jotaro's father said when he returned from his work trip and found out about the trip to Cairo: Sadao Kujo: "I'm glad I'm finally back. By the way, did I miss something while I was away?" Jotaro: "Well, mom got sick because a homosexual vampire took over her great-grandfather's body, so I, Grandpa Joseph, a Frenchman, an Arab, a high school classmate who wanted to hook her up, a 12-year-old runaway girl and a dog went to Egypt to kill him. By the way, most of us got an extremely powerful spiritual force" Sadao Kujo: "...I need a beer"
If we not giving Jotaro any curse energy then he would be immune to Unlimited Void as the sure hit of Dominion expansion would not detect him. Edit. He(video creator) said he won't give Jotaro any curse energy, not avarage amount, not small amount, none at all, therefor my comment.
a regular person in the jjk verse would be effected by unlimited void and i dont see why jotaro would have no cursed energy as hes pretty much a regular guy at the core which means it would effect him
@@dex7549 regular people have cursed energy. Cursed energy is a thing only in jjk, not in jjba, so people in jjba do not have cursed energy. Because they have no cursed energy, domain expansions wouldn't work on him.
@@DirtiestDan05 No. This isnt hard to understand. Jotaro does not exist in the JJK universe. He does not abide by their system of power such as cursed energy or heavenly restriction.
Gojo's CT causes whatever moves toward him to halve its velocity infinitely as it gets closer to him. Velocity is change in distance/ change in time. When there is no change in time there can be no velocity so Star Platinum's time stop would completely negate the limitless shield.
yeah, I mean all these facts demonstrate that jotaro could beat gojo, technically, but that's assuming gojo stands there doing nothing dude can teleport anywhere, all of his abilities have massive range, it won't do jotaro any good to react to them if he's not close enough to do anything about it also, if jotaro's timestop can affect infinity, there's no reason to think the opposite wouldn't be also true. we've already seen Pucchi react in stopped time despite his stand only controling gravity, proving that at least in the jojo universe spacetime is linked, Gojo's space control being even more potent than pucchi, we can make an argument but gojo, if not being able to move, at least being entirely conscious during timestop Could Jotaro defeat Gojo? Maybe, if we assume some things and take into account Gojo's careless personnality, Jotaro could use the surprise effect AND timestop, assuming it works, to beat Gojo But in a Death Battle type fight where both opponents give their best, Gojo clears easily
I don’t think arguing that Gojo a character from JJK can potentially be conscious or can even potentially act in stopped time because Pucci a character from jojo did. There is absolutely no feat, hint, or any interpretation that could point towards Gojo being able to do anything in a potential time stop. Pucci was aware in stopped time because his stand was unironically a similar stand to Star platinum. Obviously they don’t share the same power but the same concepts.
Gojo's ability is to make their opponents cover infinite distances to cover a finite distance, in mathematics infinfine fractions make a finite number if you add them up from the whole but if you add them one by one then you will never cover a certain distance. Gojo makes the former reality of adding all those infinite fractions together and seperates them by adding time inbetween so his opponents cover the infinite fractions one by one, so stopping time means you again like reallife cover thise infinite fractions together and reach any finite distance. For example- If you want to cover a distance of 1, you can cover it. But 1=1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16+1/32......... So you have to cover all thise fractions one by one slowly if Gojo uses his ability, meaning you would cover first 0.5, then 0.75, then 0.875, then 0.9375 one by one and you will not actually reach 1. Watch any 60 second short explaining why 1=1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16....... If you don't know, its surprisingly easy to understand.
@@ch4rliegaming Stops time, throws that harpoon and what? It hits?? No LMFAO. No offense but uh, Prison Realm just negates that "can Inf be bypassed" idea.
@@marunmeister1718 Yeah, no shit sherlock. If a 2 word phrase can destroy a 13 minute argument of absolute highballing and biased as fuck arguments that make near to no sense, filled with brainrot that does only focus on the things JJBA character can do and accomplish, then HIGHBALL it into oblivion, and lowball the character they're up against. Im definitely using it for an easy argument that shouldnt even BE an argument, or even need to BE talked about, when literally 99.99% of the people here DO know that Gojo just wins, yet they decide to go like statistical and say: "Ok so what if Jotaro had CE? Then, DE could work and kill Jot-" DE isnt even needed, spitting bullshit because you dont know anything else other than saying DE, or "RCT" or anything that gojo uses except blue and red, as if they're weak (considering lapse blue can literally one shot most things in JJBA, excluding BS like GE:R, WoU, etc. Which I wont even have to get into detail with.) Overall, Gojo wins this in a 98% winrate, and 2% if we lowball him this hard, lowball his moves, highball Jotaro 4 times the original, make him somehow way smarter than his supposed to be and give him a couple more info on Gojo's abilities. That way, It'd be atleast the tiny numbers could add up to 10%, or maybe 20% if we REALLY try that hard. Overall, my opinion? 2 words is enough. Going for a full answer is fucking pointless in a non-sensical argument that isnt even an argument tbh, but just overall an execution.
The way you explained infinity working is how it worked before he learned reverse cursed technique. When he mastered it, he made the infinity automatically determine what considers a threat. So even if he couldnt perceive an attack it should stop anything that could be consider a danger to him.
Absolutely not, Gojo's kit is more diverse than Jotaro's which is already a big factor here as Gojo severely outranges Jotaro, and Timestop while it would be useful, wouldn't help as Gojo can just regenerate with RCT, Jotaro doesn't have that great of an AP anyways so he really isn't doing much in mere 5 seconds. Not to mention if we take into consideration his Black Flash amps, it's over before it even began
@@Pk_mn well first of all RCT isn't factor here because jotaro isn't the type of dude to drag on battles as soon as he learns about RCT he will aim for the head indefinitely stands have long range it's just the closer the stand to the user the stronger the stand so star platinum could if gojo runs go over to him and drag him back to the battle 3 if gojo in Shibuya was able to. Take out that many curses in 0.1 second of DE and jotaro is faster than him and is a tactical Guiness plus takes his battles seriously imagine what he could do in 5 seconds your right that gojo is more diverse but that doesn't take out every thing else black flash doesn't matter because of how much stronger jotaro is than gojo already
@@Pk_mn ok let's be real. It has been told in jjk manga that a domain can only have an effect on someone who's cursed energy it can recognise. So someone like maki or toji are not effected by domains because they have 0 cursed energy. Jotaro is not from jjk and since he said he will not be verse equalizing, jotaro has 0 cursed energy. Gojos domain won't hit him and infinity can't work in timestop. Infinity can't be reinforced in timestop and therefore is turned/useless. Jotaro has lightspeed attacks and would literally just disintegrate gojo in a timestop. Even if we did say infinity could work in timestop, it can not stop Star Platinum as it is a stand, in the astral plane, made of psychic energy, and therefore would not be effected by infinity. Jotaro wins and gojo doesn't have much of a chance.
If you think Genjutsu could work outside of the Naruto-verse, then Domain Expansion could work outside of the JJK Verse. What makes a Domain Expansion terrifying is that the attacks are unavoidable and instant. BUT they work predicated on the fact that the opponent HAS some cursed energy for you to target and lock on to. If Jotaro is not given cursed energy then it does not matter if the Domain Expansion is instant, it just by definition would not affect him because the Domain would not detect him as an entity. Now, Jotaro still needs to get past infinity, to which I don't think Star Platinum can, but yea saying Jotaro having 0 Cursed Energy makes him immune to a domain expansion by default. Even ordinary civilians have cursed energy to a miniscule amount.
I have a question. DIO said to Kakyoin that The World is a stand that can reign over the world. What happen if The World's power is the power to govern anything? Let's say DIO chose to govern time, now he can stop time. But this power only allows the user to govern one aspect. If The World has this power instead of time stop , how strong would it be?
how I think the fight would go is that jotaro beats the shit out of gojo then gojo heals with RCT and realizes he is gonna get hit by an unknown force if he gets within 2 meters around jotaro. then gojo would simply ragdoll jotaro everywhere with red and blue from a pretty far distance and jotaro will be unable to do anything about it till he eventually dies
on more thing to note is that jotaro is just a normal human so even if star platinum blocks red, he's still gonna fly away with such massive force then get all his bones broken and he can create blue inside someone in an instant, killing jotaro by crushing his insides just like what he did with Juzo Kumiya when he got all his limbs twisted
@@cheesenaut6621to be fair notari has survived probably lots of broken bone in the final fight with Dio, I mean he got smashed through multiple things and then had use all his energy trying to deflect that steam roller and plus with Kira he was beaten down severely yet was still able to give a ass whoopin to him
I think you forgot a few important points that does push things to Gojo's favour. The first is being the prism realm which is stated that time does not move inside it but Gojo was unnaffected by this. Then on top of that Gojo was able to manipulate space from inside it on the outside as it was a seperate dimensional space. Then secondly It has been shown that Gojo similar to Sukuna can see and interact with the soul. Sukuna being able to no diff Mahito, and Gojo being able to perceive and react to the soul when against Sukuna later on with his 6 eyes. Stands are commonly seen as a representation of the soul, so realistically Gojo could see and interact with it.
Apart from the fact that that's contradicted because Six Eyes couldn't tell him Getos body was inhabited by Kenjaku so it can't invade/sense anything related to the mind.
@@kilzfordays But Stands are a manifestation of your fighting spirit, the soul. We know he could perceive Megumi’s soul during the Sukuna fight so it might just be a case of inconsistency, or maybe Gojo learned to perceive the soul after the incident with not being able to tell with Geto. But still, even if he can’t SEE SP, he should be able to perceive the changes in air flow around him, due to his Six Eyes showing him things most people can’t normally see, just feel. So in a way he still could perceive SP.
@@kilzfordays not true because of the concept of the body and the soul. Gojo spoke to Geto's body and it responded by choking Kenjaku. Plus in Gojo vs Sukuna Gojo literally looked and saw Megumi's soul inside of his body after Sukuna took it over
@@ang1217sr I don't think its an inconsistency thing with getting fooled by Geto. Kenjaku stole his body and through the story Mahito and even Yaga continue to prove that the body and the soul are one in the same. Gojo spoke to Geto's body and it responded, this shows that Gojo being fooled wasn't an inconsistency. Plus it also is proven with Toji when he takes over the Grandsons body and suppresses his soul because his body was too strong and it contains the memory of his soul
Something that most people forget about is the fact that Gojo is has very good durability and skills and they mainly focus on if opponent can break infinity, and when they come to that conclusion, they consider Gojo dead
@@TheWeakest-ws8le thats probably true in jjk standarts but jojo has completely different scaling, jotaro being massively faster than gojo in reaction time and combat speed, in a way you could compare star platinum's punches to a reversal red from gojo, being able to easily cave in terrain and punch through people without any difficulty
JJBA doesn’t follow physics too well, and a lot of shows don’t. Light speed attacks should be destroying entire cities at a minimal output, since force = mass x acceleration. Star Platinum is very strong, but it’s likely Gojo could RCT the damage away, but still be injured. Unless aimed for the head, he won’t get one tapped.
put more simply: gojo can't perceive stands, can't track them, meaning limitless can't deem it a threat or a non-threat. The way I see this playing out, Gojo underestimates jotaro (like he does everyone else), jotaro then proceeds to beat his ass with star platinum before he can do anything. 👍
My issue with this fight is that there is zero reason for Gojo to be anywhere near Jotaro. Surely he'd just fight in a similar way to coat rack guy or Hanami where he just stands back and rips them apart with blue or erase them with purple. Even assuming Jotaro could see these attacks despite having no cursed energy, he himself doesnt have the speed to dodge them.
@@nothingness4068 Star platinum is faster than light. Jotaro couldn't get to Kira who was like 20m away in 2 seconds so he's very clearly not faster than light.
@@russianbot5302 ah yeah but you see if he wasn't lightspeed then he would get fucked up by most characters. Silver chariot cut the rays of the sun(light) against the sun fight and silver chariot bloodlusted 1v1ed a star platinum holding back and sp won
if it's blood lusted gojo negs. if it's in character it depends on whether or not Gojo can see SP (but he should be able to cause he's aware of the soul)
If Jotaro can't kill Pucci in a single timestop, then he couldn't kill Gojo. From there Gojo could use RCT and kill him with any of his techniques before Jotaro can timestop again.
Pucci was so quick that he literally slowed down time stops. He had infinite speed, and Jotaro had basically no chance to kill him, except for when he did the Jolyne knife thing. I feel like Jotaro could probably destroy Gojo's brain or heart if they are fighting to the death(stands can phase through bodies and turn into nonphysical beings, but still affect physical things)
@@randomyoutuber2633 I didn't mean when Pucci had MiH, I meant when Jotaro first appeared and he still had C-moon. Another major factor is if they're in character, because I don't think Jotaro would just start crushing internal organs. Even then, Gojo has insane durability. Kusakabe said a single cleave could kill him through Simple Domain, Domain Amplification or CE Reinforcement, meanwhile Gojo could Regen through Malevolent Shrine.
@notfunnydidntlaugh5270 Kusakabe did say that, but in the latest chapter, he survived multiple slashes from Sukuna. Maybe it was him underestimating himself or something?
@@randomyoutuber2633 That was Dismantle, Sukuna can only use Cleave when he's making contact with someone (except for Domain Expansion). Kusakabe also used Simple Domain to reduce their damage as opposed to Gojo who was tanking Cleaves and then healing from them.
I think domains are instant but the activation time depends on the person, so like if jotaro saw him making a hand sign and thought something was up and time stopped then he might still be able to pull something
That’s not in character tho. He’d more likely try to get distance and see what this new move is. And unless star platinum launched him as hard as he can, he’s getting caught
@@boiexe2105not wrong, but that’s not the reason jotaro does not win. gojo has every category except for.. well experience. stand experience. goatjo has fought more battles than jotaro. and also, these jotaro stans in turn also are basically saying that jotaro > sukuna (no mahoraga) ☠️
@@boiexe2105 prison realm does not have stopped time same as jotaro's ability. prison realm stopped time means he does not age nor cn he tell the time that has passed outside. jotaro's time stop hits a pause on gojo. he cannot move or think. jotaro takes this.
On the subject of limitless vs psychic energy, pure telekinesis would probably be able to get through just fine, but stands still have physical presence and they still have to obey the laws of space( cant get to far from the user) So i believe that a stand punching him would catch gojo off guard, he would eventually be able to adapt limitless to the stand eventually
As much as I think Gojo easily takes this, I also think Jotaro would react to Infinite Void surprisingly well. His ability to process information is on a level of speed beyond anything seen in JJK. He fought an amped Silver Chariot blow for blow and was able to take a cigarette and a juice at extremely high speeds without even slightly damaging or disturbing these items. If anything, I believe Gojo's domain would simply hinder him to a point that he can no longer operate with the same level of superhuman precision he normally has. However the domain would still be a win condition since it wouldn't let Jotaro escape and because infinite information intake is only the domain's passive effect
domains are instant and their construction is also instant but the vanity is what takes time, you can change how a domain looks like but not its sure hit
Unless unlimited void can affect stand then yes. If not Its gojover. Star platinum would just use time stop and pummel him. Infinity ain't nothing without time flowing.
I feel like something that was overlooked however was Gojo's speed and reaction time, it's said he has much faster processing time and can see things others can't with the 6 eyes, as well is said to be the FASTEST character in the JJK verse, his teleportation is instant no? Between those two things, there's a chance he could react to star plat (excluding time stop). Still, I think I agree with the rest of the video, and it's a lot to consider for these two power houses. Gj!
I think a more close-character fight would be DIO vs Gojo, both are so incredibly powerful in comparison to every other character in the verse except 1 or 2 that neither take the fight seriously until they almost die. Both view themselves as a sort of devine being that holds power over the world, DIO with his god complex and Gojo with his honored one complex. Both of them are considered by many in universe characters to be the strongest being to ever live in the modern day, and both of them hold some extreme power that makes killing them near impossible, Gojos infinity and DIOs immorality
I think a big factor is if star platinum itself is affected by infinity, it has no physical form or presence, and infinity doesn't effect non-physical elements like air or oxygen, or else gojo could never breathe at all. Although I believe as well that Star Platinum could easily make contact, and once someone who can make contact gets into punching range of gojo, he's basically done for-there is the question of if Gojo can sense star platinum, he is a form of fighting spirit energy stuff, so if gojo could see and comprehend what he was, he could possibly tweak his infinity to keep star platinum out as well
tbh tusk or cmoon would’ve been a better matchup both stands manipulate gravity and spacetime cmoon has a barrier made of gravity, tusk has been shown tearing apart pocket dimensions
I have to disagree for one thing I believe that Infinity is an ability that would work on all stands and psychic abilities purely because of how its defined. The way of thinking that infinity is a real physical barrier is wrong, infinity creates an infinite amount of space in between the user and its target. ALL stands and characters in JJBA are affected by Infinity because its not an ability on another dimension it is physically extending the space between objects, so as long as said stand does not have infinity+ speed(Made in Heaven) it is impossible for anyone to reach gojo besides disabling Infinity. In terms of JJBA and specifically Jotaro and Star Platinum, the short range limitation on the stand would make it impossible for it to cross the gap of Infinity. Unless Jotaro manages to create an Infinity+ speed star finger. Of course because this ability just creates infinite space and is NOT a wall even in stopped time the infinite space would still be there meaning that would be no help to Jotaro. But even if Jotaro is somehow able to land hits on gojo, gojo still has reversed curse technique and would be able to heal as much as he wants with his infinite curse energy pool. Now another thing not in favor of Jotaro is Gojo's domain expansion which would leave Jotaro paralyzed depending on how long he was hit with unlimited void. There is no defence against unlimited void except simple domain, hollow wicker basket, or a domain expansion of your own none of which Jotaro possess. It's not even a matter of if your mentally strong if you get hit you will be paralyzed. All in all I do believe Jotaro would get wiped by Gojo but in terms of All stands in JJBA there are some who could beat Gojo and his Infinity such as Made in Heaven, Tusk act 4, D4C Love Train, Ball Breaker, GER, Soft and Wet: Go Beyond, and of course Wonder of U. Most of these are stands that posses their own "Infinity" or people who are just completely broken like GER.
Alright prepare for a 5 page essay. So let's talk about infinity. In any capacity Jotaro should surpass it because Kaleb got it a little wrong. It's not always active the limitless technique needs to identify the threat then create the infinite space. How ever Gojo can choose to have it permanently active as shown in the beginning of season 2. However if Kaleb's correct about stands being something other than cursed energy which is probably correct then that doesn't matter. Jotaro however isn't the type to just rip off oponents heads he punches them up usually. Or even with intent to kill would probably just donut Gojo. Rct can make Gojo survive this quite easily. Then there's something Kaleb didn't mention, blue, red, and purple would definitely do damage. And Gojo's not an idiot either, he'd realize "oh I can't see what he's attacking me with" so he would probably teleport around (it's true teleportation btw) and then hit him with red. Jotaro has no regen powers nor a way to counter this so just off this Gojo probably wins. Let's then say hypothetically Gojo's pushed to domain expansion, once again Jotaro isn't a jujutsu sorcerer so even if he damaged Gojo his domain would probably still come out for a second or two and that's game. But if Jotaro was using cursed energy then he'd get stopped by infinity. But if he stopped time, to bypass infinity then unlimited void would still get casted, long enough to put him out for a few seconds, enough for hollow purple. But what if Jotaro ripped Gojo's head off, he could but he wouldn't. He would've done it to dio, or c-moon puchi but he didn't because it's not in his nature. So overall Gojo wins
I think there’s strong evidence that domains are Instantaneous No character has ever made a comment about how Gojo could just teleport out of the way of a Domain. Everyone always says that a Domain would be needed to fight Gojo Meaning despite Gojo having instant teleportation, it’s still not useful against a domain activation
4:32 This one isn't true. Gojo had to activate and deactivate it before as it fried his brain, now he used it passively. This part, you did mention and is true. Where you misunderstood is that he doesn't need to make a conscious decision for it to stop objects. He explained before that it discerns the velocity and cursed energy of approaching objects. He also mentioned after the Toji fight that he would teach it to detect poison and stuff. That tells us that the only active part is telling it what to stop, afterwards it will do it passively so long as he has it up.
Domain expansions aren’t instant otherwise domain clashes and simple domains don’t make sense. I think Jotaro and Star Platinum are more than fast enough to react and that time stop bypasses infinity.
Jotaro rarely uses timestop offensively if almost everytime its defensive as it leaves him severely fatigued DE’s aren’t instant your completely right but to assume jotaro who’s in a universe where people do poses nearly every damn day it’s kindve insane to assume he would know this is a attack and not gojo showing off.
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The reason why you lost Gojo is simple, you pissed me off
So it's the same type of stand as Star Platinum
Well... He can't beat the siht out of him without getting closer
Bro.. Jotaro can only stop time for 5 seconds, but in the anime the make it a whole dialogue 💀💀
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In the dio fight. WITH MY LAST SECOND IM GONNNA BEAT TO YOU TO A PULP 💀💀💀
Love the fact that Jotaro only panicked, not while fighting DIO or Kira, but during the final fight against Pucci, and just because Jolyne's life was in severe danger. Jotaro absolutely knows how to keep his cool!
Just shows how much he loves Jolyne, he’s never had trouble sacrificing for the sake of eliminating the enemy but when he saw Pucci’s knives suspended in the air he was genuinely scared, scared he might lose his daughter, and though he could’ve eliminated Pucci he chose to save what he had left.. his daughter. That was honestly the greatest Jotaro moment ever, it shows that even though he’s one of the most powerful stand users in the world he’s still only human.
The fact that he walked right up to Dio when he killer Jospeh is NOT the definition if "keeping cool"...
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Jotaro didn't run to Dio screaming. He simply got close to him slowly and furious, but didn't let emotions get the best of him
@@SoraJustSora not really, he was getting within effective range for his stand, running away would be him losing his cool
@@SoraJustSorasans pfp, opinion denied
Once Jotaro says “it’s just like my stand” it’s over
Infinite voids work similarly as time stops lol
Jotaro Spitting The "Infinite Star"
@@azzyigueesgojo domain don’t work on people with no curs energy
@@theoddgamer8266 the citizens in shibuya was frozen in place by gojos domain
@@theoddgamer8266hella wrong.
An interesting battle would be Gojo vs Okuyasu, mainly because Okuyasu is pretty much Koishi Komeiji (empty head) and can erase space
time could be infinite that why time stop being based but idk if it can make gojo sweat or maybe if okyasu and jotaro gank up on him they can do it
Gojo would win just because okuyasu is dumb as hell, but if you equal their battle iq, it could be an interesting battle
Okay but like, I’m 90% sure that koishi can’t do that
Except Koishi solos JJK and Okuyasu is a Megumi victim
@@Pk_mnkoishi solos?
"so its the same type of cursed technique as star platinum after all, star platinum limitless technique:hollow purple!"
Hollow purple is joseph stands right
hollow finger!
@@danendraarkananta9442hermit purple
@@danendraarkananta9442 no no it isn't
@@danendraarkananta9442that would be interesting..
The biggest factor most people forget when discussing Jojo characters, is the horrible range of most stands. There is nothing stopping gojo from teleporting on top of a tower and nuking everything below him.
But to do that gojo first needs to realise that jotaros stand even exists+ has a small range ( bc stands are invisible for people without a stand) obv if you give him that knowledge before the fight he could do that
@@fynx8521 six eyes would most likely make him aware of star platinum
True, but jotaro could do short time stops to escape
@@fernandogarcia4027 What makes you think that they could? Six Eyes couldn't tell him Getos body was inhabited by Kenjaku so it can't invade/sense anything related to the mind. It's been stated many time in jojo that stands are manifestations of ones own fighting spirit and therefore the mind or soul itself.
In Conclusion, Gojo can't see stands
@@fynx8521Facts, these scenarios where Gojo magically knows stuff doesn't make these matchup sensical onor logical
Domain expansions definetely take time to activate as shown in the first Mahito fight.
Both Yuji and Nanami were able to react and move in response to the handsign and barrier formation.
It seems that Gojo's expands faster than Mahitos's as it creates it's barrier but it's still smt that people can react to, especially as the user has to do the handsign and prepare themselves for activation. The main idea of domain expansions is bassically a bowl filled with water, with the barrier being the bowl and the water being the user's cursed energy.
In that aspect the user has to create the bowl and then fill it with their cursed energy which might be fast enough to catch someone off guard, but not instant.
Yeah but them you see Dagon activate his domain which appeared to happen instantly.
Gojo can make a 0.2 second domain expansion, that's not the time to activate, but the time it takes to prepare, cast, expand, have it's intended effect and dissapear. Jotaro is cooked.
@wumbojet I'm pretty sure the 0.2 seconds refers to the amount of time the Domain is active. Reasons being that's the amount of time that Infinite Void was putting infinite information into the minds of the effected, and that Yuji and Todo were able to react by beginning to run and activate Simple Domain.
Although, for both Gojo and Mahito, the only time it takes them to activate is making the decision and sign, so it's pretty immediate
If we use frames from the show and figure out how quickly the domain reaches the edges of the screen and the distance between the characters and what we can see, you could quite easily calculate how quickly a 200m domain takes to fully activate.
I won't be the one to do it though, that's likely a job for reddit.
he first had to show the mark on his chest, and yes the bowl of the domain appeared instantly, it took a few seconds for the actual domain effect to kick in @@russianbot5302
So it is the same cursed tehnique as Star Platinums...
The way gojo explains it is that he used to manually perceive threats and activate limitless in response but since he "awakened" he found a way to automate the process. However, in stopped time not even the six eyes would be able to perceive any threats, since there's literally no time for it. Also you could argue that the six eyes can't see stands at all, in which case Gojo would very much be vulnerable to getting blitzed
But Gojo moved in stopped time in the Prison Realm
@@kaijuge6934 that's not how that works, time doesn't pass inside the realm itself but that doesn't mean the person inside it is but affected, however time stop outside of that pocket realm would surely, make gojo not move since it's not bounded by an object properties.
the automatic fact that limitless activate on its on:
@@kaijuge6934 time doesnt pass in the prison realm but thats different from moving in stopped time. Since the whole ability is to lock someone in there without the regard of time. The point is to keep gojo in there for years but not let him die but that doesnt mean he just cant move. But even so he didnt get out the realm on his own. Hana Kurusu broke it
This is as bad as saying Goku can move in space time bc he was moving around with zeno in a destroyed timeline, like no thats not how that works.@kaijuge6934
Personally think that Stands should be affected by Gojo's infinity, because even when Stands are made of a different energy than anything Gojo has shown to have dealt with.... The way Gojo's barrier works is by turning the potential infinite amount of decimals between each number, into an actual infinite distance.
Edit: Just read more in depth in how Gojo's Infinity works, and while it is technically true that it makes the infinite decimals between each whole number a reality... I was wrong in the nature of how it does so. As Gojo's infinity doesn't actually multiply existing space, but rather it divides it a infinite amount of times. Basically meaning that the closer you get to Gojo's barrier, the distance you travel per second gets smaller and smaller until you practically arent moving at all. Being a "space slow" that gets infinitely close to a full "space stop", rather than the typical time slow, essentially.
For the sake of not deleting parts of this comment, Im just gonna strike through the parts I dont think are accurate anymore.
So it technically doesnt block anything, -Gojo is just- -too far away- -from anything to- -reach him.- Gojo doesnt technically get further away, the distance you travel over time just get so infitismally smaller, you practically cant cross the 0.000000000000~∞~01st inch of the very surface of said barrier.
Stands are restricted by distance, particularly in case of Stands like Star Platinum which got a very limited range in how far away they can be away from their user. So Spacial abilities should work against JoJo like itd do on anyone else.
-That said, considering that- -Gojo's infinity seems- -to only go on the absolute- -micro level,- (the barrier can be expanded to cover bigger areas too) on top of being an active ability that happens under time... I do think Jotaro could *potentially* bypass the infinity with the time stop. Since when the time is stopped in that case, you no longer get an infinite(-tly divided) distance within Gojo's barrier, but a finite amount of decimals which are still less than 1 milimeter, of which Star Platinum can cross instantly.
Gojo's barrier is just a worse version of the stand Green Green Grass of Home. Plenty of stands could mop gojo. Death 13, Sethan, Cream, The Hand, Heavens Door, Bites The Dust, cheap trick, Chariot Requiem, Grateful Dead, Metallica, Green Day, Heavy Weather, Bohemian Rapsody, Tusk Act 4, Ball breaker, D4C, and Ozon Baby would all be able to bypass or work around the infinity.
Nope, because his infinity would actually have to register stands, that's the issue.
except infinity isnt capable of creating literal distance. its only capable of slowing things to to simulate distance. the stand is still within normal distance to the user so it wouldn't stop working.
@@christophercrafte meanwhile there is a jojo stand (G3OH) that does create distance infinitely.
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theres many ways to bypass grass of home; you could kill them with shockwaves, box them in, trap them in a vacuum,
1. death13 wouldnt take away gojos infinity as its subconscious and perpetually on, regardless of if hes asleep or not.
2. he would have to be relatively close and has no feats which imply he wouldnt just instantly die from a red/blue
3. cream cant do anything. it only teleports away matter, while infinity creates space between the user where it gets exponentially slowed down
4. similar case to cream; even if you wanted to make the case that it can erase space, that takes time and in that time gojo could cast a domain expansion
5. wouldnt work, infinity is subconscious and perpetually on
6. for bites the dust to activate, killer queen has to be seen (gojo is not a stand user) or it has to enter the targets eye (which wont happen because of infinity)
7. cant attach to gojos back because of infinity (are you starting to see the pattern)
8. jujutsu sorcerers have resistance to all forms of soul manipulation, nanami (who is much weaker than gojo) subconsciously protected his soul before knowing about mahitos technique. mahito has a much stronger scale of soul manipulation than cr
9. infinity would block the aging effect, and even if prosciutto used the area aging ability it would still be stuck travelling through infinity. that, and gojo can just fly
10. 10m range, completely blocked by infinity creating an infinite space
11. mold travels through the air, blocked by infinity
12. all blocked by infinity. even if you tried to argue that pressurised gases would kill gojo, he can just heal with rct and cast a domain expansion if he really needs to
13. bohemian rhapsody is absolutely horrendous in a one on one fight, you have very little control over it and countering it is trivially easy compared to many cursed techniques in jjk. gojo would have no problem working out how to play around this
14. so, if we are giving ta4 infinity bypass:
a) neither gojo nor johnny are bloodlusted and are unaware of each others abilities
gojo wins, since johnny would take too long working out how infinity works and charging up infinite rotation. gojo isnt stupid, he can just teleport away as he shoots and kill johnny if he hadnt done so prior
b) neither gojo nor johnny are bloodlusted but are aware of each others abilities
gojo casts domain and wins
c) both are bloodlusted but are unaware of each others abilities
gojo one shots with red/purple
d) both are bloodlusted and are aware of each others abilities
gojo casts domain and wins
15. gojo can just blow their arms off
16. interesting, but gojo can just trap him in a tiny barrier and force him into a binding vow
17. limited range, completely blocked by infinity (besides, all the effects can be healed through rct)
so out of the 17 opponents, there was one case in which their abilities would even potentially pose a threat to gojo (being ta4) and he can easily play around that abusing johnnys absolutely horrendous physical stats
Here's what I think happens.
First of all, I don't think Gojo will immediately pop domain expansion, either will Jotaro immediately use time stop (unless they were given information on each other's abilities beforehand).
1. Gojo uses Blue on himself to move towards Jotaro in an instant.
2. Jotaro reacts and they both hit each other at the same time (non fatal wounds).
3. Gojo backs off quickly. He wonders what he's been hit by because he can't see stands. He also wonders how he could have been hit; his Infinity didn't detect anything on the physical plane of existence and therefore didn't place an infinite distance between Star Platinum and himself.
4. Jotaro recognizes Gojo's speed because of this first encounter and therefore stops time. He gets to Gojo and barrages him, fatally wounding Gojo.
5. Time resumes, Gojo is sent flying by the impact of the punches ensued during stopped time. Jotaro thinks it is over, but Gojo uses Reverse Cursed Technique to heal himself.
6. Gojo recognizes that he can be killed in an instant, so he uses his domain expansion. Gojo's domain is a physical space, so Star Platinum, being a spiritual power, would not be flooded with infinite information. Jotaro is paralyzed, but because stands can act independently of their users, Star Platinum is not.
7. Here's where things get debatable. If Gojo feels comfortable enough to approach Jotaro (which he has no reason not to be, knowing Jotaro is paralyzed by his ability), Gojo will probably have his brain smushed by the fists of Star Platinum. But if Gojo plays it safe and just uses one of his cursed techniques from a range (blue, red, or purple), Jotaro will die.
50/50 then
Jotaro is a normal human so he will die just having limitless void used on him for a couple of seconds
nope thats bs and nonsense, hamon energy turned to stands and all joestar bloodline carry the power to use it .
besides OH stomps the entire jjk verse@@kod5660
@@kod5660his point at the end was that if gojo tried killing jotaro the same way he killed jogo the first the time (ripping off his head) then star platinum would kill gojo, but if gojo decided to use blue, red, or hollow purple from a distance then he wins. jotaro should be able to withstand it just as long as jogo did even if it was only a couple seconds
@@kado786 No because Jogo has some level of resistance where as Jotaro is a normal person.. They pointed out the difference in the Shibuya arc. Jotaro would die from just those few seconds.
Honestly this analysis seems to leave out a lot of important factors, specially in terms of Gojo's abilities. The most confusing aspect of this video is the fact that none of Gojo's ranged attacks are even acknowledged, which would wildly alter the outcome of the fight even without contesting any of the claims made in the video. Blue, Red and specially Purple would be quite hard to manage, as even with time stop, we have seen Jotaro been threatened by slower projectiles at many times throughout the series. Dio's knives and [Part 6 Spoilers] Pucci's could be justified by the involvement of other time altering abilities evening the odds against Jotaro, but we saw how the rat was able to get him with a ricochet in part 4, and we know that even regular bullets put a threat on his life (since he opted to defend against them in part 6, instead of focusing on whitesnake, after using his body to push Jolyne out of the way of Johngalli A's attack). This all points towards Jotaro having quite a hard time defending against Blue, Red and Purple, which are long range attacks with an area of effect, shown to destroy buildings and damage opponents with far more durability than could ever be ascribed to a human. The fact that Gojo doesn't just release these effect, but can direct their position after firing them, giving them s sort of homing effect, further complicates things for Jotaro.
To make matters worse, the video also fails to account for Gojo's durability, both in terms of feats, but most importantly in terms of his healing abilities. Gojo would at the very least be comparable to Dio in terms of healing, as he was able to outheal uncountable cuts coming from all directions during his latest fight, as well as regrow a severed limb. Based on this, we know for a fact that even if Stands weren't affected by infinity (which I don't necessarily agree with, but I digress), Jotaro wouldn't get an automatic win by unleashing an Ora Ora on Gojo, even with the help of stopped time, since this wasn't able to singlehandedly take out Dio either.
One last point I wanted to address in regard to Domains: Kaleb is right in that Domains aren't necessarily instantaneous. They require a handsign, which is how the domain is unleashed, and there is normally a delay before the Domain's sure hit effect activates. However, Gojo happens to be one of the few characters skilled enough to unleash a domain and activate the sure hit effect in a singular motion, meaning that he only needs to do the handsign to affect Jotaro with his Domain. This is a rather fast movement, but I do wonder how it fares in comparison to the activation of Time Stop. If we take it that Dio and Jotaro actually have to shout out "Za Warudo" to activate it, I think Domain activation would be on par if not faster than Time Stop activation. If we were to treat the "Za Warudo" cry as flavor, we could argue for Za Warudo being instantaneous or reaction time based, which would give it an edge, but I don't know the stance of the community on this matter.
Doesn't Gojo also need to say "Domain Expansion: Infinite Void" to activate his domain?
Yeah I agree and I think it gives Gojo a bit more of an edge in this fight
I do think you are right with the ranged attacks and the reversed cursed techniques, as if used correctly could cause Jotaro to lose, however the argument of an Ora Ora strike not working sense Dio survived is kinda flawed, as he is a Vampire with a naturally more resistant body on top of a healing factor. There is a very high chance Jotaro could one shot Gojo sense most of the punches are directed to the head, and Star platinum is not only relative to Stone Free, which can destroy meteors, but outclasses it in strength, being the strongest physical stand, so I do think a barrage of meteor busting punches to the head would kill Gojo.
Also, don’t get me wrong 0.02 seconds of activation is fast, but it isn’t even close to Jotaro. The supposed rule of needing to shout za wardo in order to activate is wrong, not only has Jotaro used time stop without saying it, but you forget that Dio used time stop during the beginning of the fight against the crusader’s without saying the word until Joseph realized what the ability was, and Joseph has light speed reaction time mind you, so I really doubt Dio just happened to say it ultra fucking fast without him noticing. And even if that rule did exist, Jotaro still would be faster, sense he effectively used it the instant Pucci Killed Anasui, Pucci at this point in the story had infinite speed capable of blitzing even Jotaro’s reaction time, no one, not even dio, blitzed Jotaro’s reaction time before or since Made in Heaven.
Yeah so I guess you could end up saying this battle is entirely decided on how far away they are from each other@@g.vanimations700
Pretty sure you don’t need to say za warudo for time to stop as we see during the stairs scene is part 3 and in the first episode in part 4
Goji can’t stop Star Finger. Poke those eyes, Captain insano shows no mercy.
There's this part in the JJK manga where they talk about hand signs to make domains. It is necessary to do the hand sign to activate a domain and that hand sign isn't instant. Jotaro could easily predict that with his precision and eyesight.
He would see a blue eyed K-pop singer cross his fingers how tf would he connect that to suddenly having infinite information flooding his mind
@@scootmainshortstop8095 I don't know man! It's almost like the reason Jotaro saved his and a bunch of other lives is because he prevented a villain from activating an ability with a hand sign! But I mean... there's no way he'd think of that, right?
@@vescindul unless you’re about to argue that jotaro has 15,000 iq there is literally no way to connect his limitless to his domain expansion, he only uses one hand and just crosses his fingers. Jotaro has zero clue on who gojo is and has no chance of making it out of the radius in 200milliseconds. And I’m well aware that jotaro isn’t actually affected by IV but gojo still gets an amp to his powers so in the very worst case he throws out an ad lib purple and vaporizes jotaro instantly
@@scootmainshortstop8095 Gojo still has to say "Domain Expansion Infinite Void." Jotaro would verbally hear this, and see his hand sign. Jotaro is smart enough to know "Hey, this guy is trying to do something. Last time I dealt with a guy using hand signs he was able to literally explode time itself. I should stop this quickly." (He literally says that he likes to end fights quickly) So he send Star Platinum, mind you which at a LOWBALL can go the speed of light. I'm 99% certain that Star Platinum can reach Gojo before Gojo's Domain is deployed.
@@scootmainshortstop8095he still needs to say the words bruh. Jotaro is FTL against some "Kpop idol" moving at MHS there is no chances he will just let it happens
Gojo's infinity is a barrier around him that slows down dangerous objects. Considering that Jotaro can stop time completely and his speed is the same as the speed of light infinity really won't do much
If Joseph’s hamon( a breathing technique btw) stayed active during time stop, infinity would still be active since it’s confirmed abilities stay active during time stop
Yea it would be *active* but would it be able to detect threats as it normally would? Hamon doesn’t rely on detection unlike infinity.
@@myusername3689 Agreed. Touching Hamon Would Be Like Touching Lava. Whether Or Not Time Is Stop, It Will Still Hurt. Infinity Needs To Detect If A Target Is A Threat
@@myusername3689 no, people seem to miss this, but the detection in gojo's limitless is not a blacklist, it's a whitelist.
When Gojo was going to fight sukuna, itadori told him to disable his infinity to properly give him a slap on the back. There's literally zero way that slap would've harmed him in any way at all, but he still had to deactivate it for it to happen.
@@myusername3689 Not really infinity doesnt need to rely on detection, when gojo was a teen he used to just keep it active 24/7 without detection but its much more draining. However if jojo stops time and punches him techincally those punches will be moving at an infinite speed therefore he should be able to break gojos barrier
But those abilities are not quite the same in terms of execution.
Hamon is like wearing a blanket, when time stops, you still have the blanket on you, and thus it's still active. Joseph stopped breathing in stopped time, but the Hamon energy itself hadn't left his body yet, and so residual left over Hamon is still in his body.
Infinity is like a car engine, Gojo can turn the engine on or off, but chooses to leave it on most of the time. If time stops, would that stop the motion of the engine? Essentially it begs the question of: Does Gojo need time to influence the space around him? If time is stopped, how does that influence the movement of space?
Honestly it's kinda inconclusive.
the whole point of gojos training at the end of hidden inventory arc, is so that he doesn't have to turn it on, but to turn himself into a cursed energy battery and never release his technique, thats why sneak attacks (like when choso attacked from behind right before he was sealed) get nullified.
infinity doesn't need to rely on detection, when gojo was a teen he used to just keep it active 24/7 without detection but its much more draining. However if jojo stops time and punches him technically those punches will be moving at an infinite speed therefore he should be able to break gojos barrier.
Also i feel star plantinum would be a curse like Rika. Because they follow kinda similar principals where normal people arent able to see them.
If those punches moved at a "technical" infinity speed, that would one shot DIO. Im not even going to say anything else.
@@boiexe2105that’d mean everyone on earth would be dead as if this dumb bozo’s thinking was true, jotaro’s ts punches would generate infinite impulse thereby making it momentum. even then as others said, why would goatjo not have knowledge of infinity? i mean the only reason they’d fight is if they got into a genuine confrontation. or in like an arena. why would it be fair to just give one knowledge of the other, i mean sure you can say jotaro wouldn’t know about infinity, but even then jotaro isn’t a (physically) violent guy. unless he has to be, and in this case, why wouldn’t goatjo just one shot him if they’re in an arena with knowledge of each others capabilities??
speed is distance/time
doing anything in stopped time would result in undefined speed, not infinite because you can't divide with 0
@@lost4030 lmao, that's velocity. velocity represents the rate at which an objects position changes, hence the time in the equation. speed is the distance it takes. for example, speed is how fast you travel. velocity is speed in a given direction, which implies impact. this person is referring to speed and impact
@@MattHardyV1 op was stating that star platinum's attack could go through infinity (infinite amount of finite space) because it can do things in 0 time (time stop), op did not refer to impact.
Gojo: Domain expansion
Jotaro: So its the same type of stand as Star Platinum
Gojo: Wait it isnt even a Sta-
So it's the same type of cursed technique as star platinum.
Star platinum: hollow purple
With how psychologically fortified Jotaro is, I feel like this may be reaching, but, I genuinely feel like he could just ignore Gojo’s domain expansion
Stupid question, but if he can perceive in stopped time, the perspection he had with dio, it is rlly imaginable to me, as in, the speed of his mind to do, even if it's the same type stand. Now can he mange or tank infinite void, as he can taking an immeasurable amount of info at high speed with a similarity to timestop😂
considering gojos infinity seemed to be active in prison realm, jotaros time stop shouldnt affect it
Time isn't stopped in the prison realm im pretty sure
Although even with stopped time, Jotaro probably isn't going to win
@@dominocut2963 its stated numerous times that time doesnt flow inside of prison realm. you could interpret this in a few ways i suppose tho
@@stack4229It’s still stated that weeks have gone by in the Prison Realm by the time Gojo was unsealed. It’s more implied that time flows differently in the prison realm than stopping entirely.
@@myusername3689 weeks had gone by in real time, the cast states time doesnt pass in prison realm so they dont know how gojo felt in it. kenjaku, hana kurusu, and guides all say time itself does not pass.
@@myusername3689time doesn't pass inside the prison realm, we're not sure if Goji spent a literal second of millennia inside. The point of why we don't know is that Goji was already so isolated that the time inside the prison realm literally didn't affect him at all
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Random thought: What if in the context of JJK Timestop acts as a domain which results in a Domain clash? We see Timestop appear as a bubble so what if we apply it as a domain in a sense?
Another thought: IF we do apply it in that context, what if Jotaro is able to invade domains in the same way he invaded DIO's timestop? Just a buncha interesting questions I figured I'd ask
Time stop as Domain expansion without border like sukkunas could be a reasonable assumption
He invaded Dio’s because Dio’s won out, but he could probably stop Limitless regardless given that it’s still an X units of information per fractions of a second thing, given prolonged exposure makes it worse and go from paralysis to basically brain-to-mush
@@Aaa-vp6ugno he time stopped right after his ended idiot
@@Aaa-vp6ug infinity wouldnt stop since joseph's hamon didnt stop in TS
@@zyofroma5718 fair.
also, no matter whether domain expansion is instant or not, Satoru Gojo won't BEGIN a fight with that.
He sees a cocky high schooler with zero cursed energy and two belts, he is not going to immediately use his strongest techniques like domain expansion or purple nuke or whatever. He's fast and uses cursed energy, for most everyday fights that's more than enough. So he tries to attack, but before he took his first step his blindfold is on backwards and he is being pummeled by invisible metal fists that he can't see. Either he is defeated then and there, or he then gets serious and beats Jotaro unconscious very quickly
Given how infinite works time stop which would have infinite speed from his reference point would be able to punch through and mop him up pretty much instantly because SPs attack would also hit instantly giving no time for enforcement with cursed energy, his head would pop like a water balloon
Since they're both in character, Jotaro just bypasses infinity,(with or without time stop), Gojo gets ora ora-ed but since Jotaro doesn't kill his opponents, Gojo just heals after that and he just fries his brain with domain expansion, the end
na this is theoritical and in theory star platinum's single strongest punch is able to kock gojo's head off his body
@@Sohansen-vr8ph yea plus stand users can take a beating.and jotaro did kill dio.
one serious punch from star platinum would pulverize gojos body
He defo kills his opps
@@j_official4138serious punch? one punch man?
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Just off first impressions- I would assume the battle hinges on wether or not Jotaro can nullify ‘infinity’ with timestop and/or changing the tangibility of Star Platinum. Given how smart and experienced(the both of them but especially) Jotaro is, he would only need to see RCT in action once or twice to understand he needs to destroy Gojo’s brain IF he can actually touch him. Edit: after watching the video, yeah, Jotaro clears lmao, also we can’t just make up what limitless doesn’t block without evidence otherwise we can do that with Jotaro in which case timestop could just count as it’s own domain or domain amplification and then it’s even more Gojover for Satoru
Gojo would immediately fry his brain if he thought jotaro was an actual threat
@@wumbojet nah- you could say that about either of them in which case Jotaro clears and atomizes his head
@@thatguy779 the problem is that jotaro can't touch him, no matter how fast he is because limitless doesn't care about speed
@@wumbojet domain expansion wouldn't even work on Jotaro, because he has no cursed energy, like maki or toji. So any domain other than Sukuna's would literally do nothing. The only thing that matters is whether or not Jotaro can hit Gojo
@@nicolae8685we can’t necessarily say that since everyone has a little curse energy with exception to maki and toji
Btw there isn't any scaling for activation times of domain expansions, besides comparing to other people, example gojo vs. sukuna, one activated it 0.01 seconds faster. The "instant" part refers to the sure-hit effects of domains where an attack does not exist until it has hit you, therefore instant. The tug-of-war mechanics of domain expansions allow for one to respond with their own domain, so its highly unlikely it is for sure, instant activation.
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If a stand is a manifestation of the soul, does that mean mahito can see it and actually interact with it?
So by extent, a sorcerer like nanami, who has some instinct about the soul can probably sense it.
And if it can be sensed, then the soul has some concept to cursed energy, which means that it might interact with limitless, rather than a fully psychic ability like prof x.
Anyways, interesting thing to think about.
Mahito as soul manipulation and stand isn't a soul
@SonGoku59249 while yes, a stand isn't technically a soul, it is the manifestation of the user's soul.
gojo's infinity would only work if 1-1/2-1/4-1/8.... = infinity, which it isnt. (zeno's paradox is based on the belief that an infinite amount of numbers results in an infinite number, which it doesnt)
so, its a lot more like a reverse green, green grass of home where instead of making the other person smaller, the space between you and your enemy expands
so, its probably just manipulating space and the "time" part was just something the author wrote because it sounded cool
no I get what youre saying but you literally started by saying that it needs time to work. if you stop time then you can make contact since infinite time no longer exist
@@organsnatcher8395 no, that is not what i'm saying. infinity will work during a timestop because a timestop takes a moment in time and extends it, which means gojo's infinity will be active.
@@npc4169why do u think that it takes a moment in time and extends it
@@nomoredays7760 because thats how a timestop is
you're not freezing everything else, you're literally stopping time
@@npc4169stoping time is freezing everyone. Time stop has inf range but with limited used
im like 90% sure that infinity can't defend against time stop due to the fact how it's an active ability that became automatic what i mean by that it's not 100% automatic indefinitely gojo literally makes infinity work by his brain running calculations so like i don't know why infinity wouldn't be canceled from an indefinite timestop.
infinity is also subconcious, it activates without him knowing he's in danger some times. And even still, time doesn't pass in the prision realm and he had infinity there?
@@Juztjynxif time doesn't past there, how tf gojo is talking and moving? Your saying infinity can make gojo beyond time?
@@SonGoku59249 he thinks gojo has inaccessible speed, or limitless gives time stop resistance, but gege confimrs this isn't the case as he says in guides and interviews that our rules of time do not apply to the prison realm, and that time not passing just means one doesn't starve or need to defecate. not only that he also says that the point of the prison realm is to drive prisoners to suicide, which means unless he can prove the prison realm's creator was specifically targeting the six eyes of the Gojo clan, Satoru doesn't have time stop resistance and if time stop can be in a domain clash it is even more Gojover for Satoru
When it comes down to it, JJK doesn't have nearly enough speed feats to contend with any relativistic or FTL speed feats
jotaro getting caught in infinity and he gets mad and yells star finger and pierces gojos brain
while I believe you've made a good point talking about possible problems with stands functioning on a different plane from regular matter from what we see in Jojo's they still do have to travel distances similarly to a physical object and thus I think that any stand would still have to pass through infinite distance before hitting Gojo
and you have to factor in that Gojo is REALLY hard to kill even for Jotaro Gojo's regeneration could definetly match Dio's
Gojo's regeneration is way better than Dio's has always been, the only difference is that gojo is still human and needs to actively heal while dio is an immortal vampire who regenerates automatically.
what if he chops his head off
@@CrusaderMan-vf7hf *IF* he could, he'd die, but he can't.
@@CrusaderMan-vf7hf then Gojo can't regenerate that's quite simple
But 1 Jotaro doesn't know that and 2 he isn't exactly known for cutting anybody and Gojo could mitigate even severe non cursed energy related brain damage as he has shown before
My point is that even if stands can pass through limitless which depends on the interpretation of both as long as Gojo doesn't die in one hit he can get back up
And an important factor to the fight is that Gojo can fight very effectively from range while Jotaro cannot
DIO's regeneration is arguebly better than Hakari's in Jackpot and it's stated to be the best RCT in the series so....
Also Gojo would have to perceive an attack to use infinity. Therefore since Gojo (maybe) cannot see stands he wouldn't perceive star platinum's punches so he would be attacked
Short answer: yes
Long answer: yes
8:53 dont forget that domain expansions only work on people with cursed energy
Gojo and Sukuna’s domains still work on normal things
@@southestst said things had CE, but outside of jjk nothing has CE
@@southestst nope only sukuna's domain works on inanimate objects due to dismantle, not gojo's.
It really boils down to "can star destroy space with his punches?"
It boils down to checking the manga. Prison Realm. That simple. Read and you'Ll be convinced TS doesnt work.
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If Gojo makes makes infinite space but star platinum moves at an infinite speed when the time is stopped. Because t=0 and S=any number, V=Any number/0 which breaks physics so i think its fair.
If your not equalizing verses bro then gojo’s domain won’t recognize him cause he has no cursed energy so that’s kinda a big thing under your rule set. Thats been established in the series so basically unlimited void won’t recognizable him. Also you can make the argument since star platinum kinda has its own mindset the effect would only hit Jogo and star platinum could react to any attack after.
dont act like unlimited void is a win condition. gojos six eyes could probably percieve star platinum and if not, the differences in air. and if gojo got hit once by something invisible, he would know somethings up and would focus and easily be able to just range himself more than 2m away and just spam projectiles to kill jotaro easily
@@dex7549No
@@dex7549well, could he see souls without any sort of cursed energy? If so, perhaps he sees the stand thanks to six-eyes.
Also, you do realise Jotaro has projectiles and long range attacks too, right?
That weird Extendo-finger thing Star Platinum did, the fact it moves independently of JoJo, just throwing rocks, point is, he DOES have projectiles.
And Time Stop means he has a guaranteed way in.
That prison beyond time thing is like footage being put in between two frames, not performing a thousand acts in one frame.
@@Aaa-vp6ug jotaro wouldntt have 0 cursed energy, people with zero cursed energy are incredibly rare so jotaro would have cursed energy and the amount and versatility of gojos projectiles far outweigh the possible things jotaro could use. for example, gojo used a hollow purple from 2 or 3 km away and hit sukuna so he wouldnt have trouble with that and also unlimited void would turn him into a vegetable if hes exposed for more than 0.2 seconds, and even if he did do it for 0.2 seconds for whatever reason jotaro would still be in a comatose kind of state for 2 months
@@dex7549 what? That’s a bad case of unnecessary equalising.
It’s like saying a bird needs gills to survive!
Though, yeah, Gojo has better projectiles.
Also, you do realise Jotaro has Lightspeed reaction time, right?
So the thing about Infinity is; it allows him to move in a space where neither time nor space is linked. This is shown in the Prison Realm Arc, when he was trapped within the Prison Realm; which he was still capable of movement in. Direct quote by Gojo; in both the anime and the manga. (This is shown to him due to his 6 Eyes Technique, which allows him to see the flow of Cursed Energy on a quantum level.) As for the 'equivalent of spiritual and magical abilities,' Gojo's Infinity is not limited to objects with Cursed Energy. If we assume verse equalization; Gojo would be able to see Star Platinum and even interact with him.
I’m not sure if you missed the hidden inventory arc but gojo explicitly states that his limitless technique automatically discerns an object danger based on speed mass and cursed energy. So to say he needs to do anything to make it an “active” defense is inaccurate.
If he's going with that stands are a psychic energy and Jotaro doesn't have any cursed energy, while in his timestop Star Platinum technically won't have a speed and just flatly won't have any mass or cursed energy
@@bruhgrranger4606well by that logic gojos cursed energy just kills jotaro because it has a negative effect on non sorcerers
lol all stands / atkleast original jojo bloodline stands are hamon evolved form and hamon itself is life expanding on a greater scale . So no way gojo has anything over jotaro@@vongolatx4828
@@bruhgrranger4606 Correction they are not pyschic but spiritual, Also star platinum has a range of 2 meters. He is not crossing an infinite distance with 2 meters of range.
And even if he COULD, Star platinum is affected by gravity (pucci) So gojo could just summon a blue inside of jotaro or near jotaro and bye bye Jojo and SP. I can argue gojo can sense SP based off the sheer amount of power SP is radiating off of, numerous statements of people backing off just because of Jotaro's (or star platinum's) Aura.
@@zyofroma5718the reason whyt its affected is pucci is a stand user. Non stand user can not hurt a stand its impossible and Gojo's sensing aint that grate. If gojo teleport behind jotaro, one ts and its over
This is crazy jotaro glazing, time stop wouldn’t make it through infinity because either everything sp touches gains some ability to move in ts for a brief amount of time such as knives, or time isn’t necessarily stopped but greatly slowed. And star platinums punches have to have some level of mass if they’re to do any damage if we’re following f=MxA so they would get stopped
good point but the point still stands that stands are manifestation of the soul and it is not a physical manifestation since normal humans can not see it or touch it so they have no mass. Even if the we consider sp punches have force we seen sp fists go through humans and then grab internal organs so technically if jotaro is smart was using his max potential in thinking he could. figure out that he could make his hands completely invisible so they can pass infinity barriers as the barrier wont detect sp fists then jotaro grabs his heart or any vital organ like the brain. This way reverse cursed energy wont pass to his body making him unable to heal or slow it down giving jotaro a chance make his hands nonexistent again and grab his heart next or just crush his whole abdomen giving jotaro the win. This all only works if jotaro was fast enough to figure it out before gojo decides using infinite void. Jotaro can do all of this in stop time due to the speed of sp. If what I said happens then gojo can not fight back and in less than a blink of an eye gojo gets washed. There is no glazing in my theory.
good thinking but time stop isnt what you think fellow , during time stop there's infinite force so just by that ability he cAN cross through anything and gojo's barrier stops during time stop/doesnt work as think , to stop any object gojo's senses has to perceive any physical moving object / mass
but stands dont even have a physical form so they can easily cross any barrier
gojo inifinite barrier works by multiplying distance between the object and space between him such that it never reaches him , BUT that distance multiplicator doesnt work if time isnt moving
so again Gojo aint got shit on Jotaro
gojo may be fast but star platinum is WAAY faster and more precise
and lastly Gojo's battle IQ is significantly less than Jotaro and JOtaro never loses his cool ~
@@Sohansen-vr8ph if there’s infinite force that would mean that jotaros punches would obliterate the universe
it is what physics dictate buddy ~ and lol no infinte force doesnt obliterate the universe
time stoppage only occurs during the phenomenon of black holes where mass is infinite
and lol as for gojo's infinity any stand can bypass the infinity since its not physical and time stoppage literally cancels out most ability as such
And LOL i dont think you understand how Gojo's infinity actually works 0 it works on the principle of multiplying distance between the incoming object and himself as to create infinite distance between them , now if something super fast approaches his infinity where it crosses the distance quicker than it can multiply itself , that phenomenon bypasses the infinity . No wonder he died like a dog in front of sukuna - just displaying his average intellect and batlle IQ compared to the big guns here @@scootmainshortstop8095
gojo's infinity works on the principle of distance multiplication s if anything approaches him at such a fast rate that even after the distance multiplication the phenomenon traverses that distance then that object/phenomenon actually makes it through gojo's infinity barrier
And its well established that Star PLatinum punches at the speed of light so easily all of those punches connect Gojo and Gojo would 1000% have no idea about it thereby finally meeting his doom with just few punches @@scootmainshortstop8095
clicked for a cool death battle, got a physics lesson. Great video as always Kaleb
Kaleb woke up today and chose violence
Nah I'd win
a video on HxH characters vs JJK characters would rule ngl
Unless you do verse equalization, domain expansion won't do anything, because Jotaro has no cursed energy. So the outcome depends on whether or not Jotaro can hit Gojo, if he can't, then Gojo ends up winning, if he can, then he could take out Gojo.
what lmfao, jotaro is not toji. the entire reason goatjo didn’t use DE for over .2 seconds in shibuya was because of the citizens. their brains would’ve been fried if he killed the spirits and choso with it. how did you not read past like.. a few chapters?
bruh, how did you not read one comment, in jjk everyone has cursed enery, that is why geto wanted to kill them, the curse energy of the masses makes curse spirits. Anyway, now that I think about it, unlimited purple would take out Jotaro if the fight starts at range, since while star platinum might be able to tank a purple, and time stop could let him dodge it, unlimited purple has too much range to be dodged by time stop, and it would hit Jotaro too, who is not as durable as star platinum of course.@@MattHardyV1
@@nicolae8685 the heavenly restriction is what protects toji and maki and give them buffs for SACRIFICING cursed energy and their potential as a sorcerer, they are not that way for having no cursed energy but because of the heavenly restriction
SP can definitely dodge a purple, his reaction and combat speed are MFTL@@nicolae8685
Well the funny thing is Gojo Ulimted void wouldn't even work on jotaro because he doesn't think while fighting really
In the death 13 fight when he was unconscious his stand still faught regardless is joataro told him to or not he doesnt even have to say anything and his stand would still attack you
And UV only works if they are thinking about something so if he doesn't think then he should be fine, but if he does then star platinum would still attack anyway or use time stop @@MattHardyV1
This fight entirely depends on if stands count as cursed energy if not gojo cant sense star platinum and cant stop him with limitless and for the range jotaro can just freeze time to get closer
And if gojo CAN see stands for gojo's limitless to work he needs to recognize the incoming attack or object as a threat he cant do that if the time is frozen
How can Gojo "actively" use Infinity in Time Stop if he can't move in Time Stop?
Pretty good reason as to why there aren't any JJK characters that can freeze Time (fingers crossed Uraume doesn't disprove this)
Infinity was active inside the prison realm, an infinite pocket dimension where time doesn't pass
@@wumbojetdoesnt pass doesnt means that time is stopped or there isnt time but is more like the time "moves" in a different manner, in this case you dont age but time do happen inside, ¿why? Cause gojo did in fact train, in comparison to a time in stasis where time does not pass like kawaki technique in boruto (first time boruto is useful and a good example in my life) the moment you enter and the moment you are out is the same, inside all and nothing happens at once
I couldnt modify my comment so XD, there is also a mention that they dont know how much time did pass inside (if i dont recall incorrectly is the angel) so the mention does give you a hint that time inside does move , but in a different way, also is mentioned that you dont age in another chapter, the same where they say that you can only use the barrier when the person inside dies ñ
@@chrisanthem9956 gojo says "it seems time doesn't pass here" with his six eyes that can reveal the nature of cursed energy and they can't die unless they kill themselves inside.
@@wumbojetin his mind, time only doesn't pass for him.
The thing is, Cursed Energy also exists on a different plane as people who don't have it cannot see it(similar to stands). Cursed Energy is formed out of emotions which could also be classified as something which exists within the mental plane, similar to psychic abilities
No
You know, Jujutsu kaisen was based off of Hunter x Hunter, and Hunter x Hunter was based off of JJBA so technically jujutsu kaisen is a jojo reference
Kaleb could you consider doing a video idea on whether on not Gojo could take the place of each Jojo from each part and try and stop their main villain? Or could you think about doing a video where you discuss whether on not the infinite spin from Tusk Act 4 gets past Gojo. Thanks for making these videos 👍🏾.
Tusk act 4 pass infinity 😂😂
Even sukuna can cut infinity
@@strygwrJohnny scales low the only people who would beat him are probably Metallica if he got lucky and a few others that don’t come to mind
I wonder what Jotaro's father said when he returned from his work trip and found out about the trip to Cairo:
Sadao Kujo: "I'm glad I'm finally back. By the way, did I miss something while I was away?"
Jotaro: "Well, mom got sick because a homosexual vampire took over her great-grandfather's body, so I, Grandpa Joseph, a Frenchman, an Arab, a high school classmate who wanted to hook her up, a 12-year-old runaway girl and a dog went to Egypt to kill him. By the way, most of us got an extremely powerful spiritual force"
Sadao Kujo: "...I need a beer"
Nah, you reaching out with a 10 foot long dinosaur head grabby-trigger hand with this one bro.
If we not giving Jotaro any curse energy then he would be immune to Unlimited Void as the sure hit of Dominion expansion would not detect him.
Edit.
He(video creator) said he won't give Jotaro any curse energy, not avarage amount, not small amount, none at all, therefor my comment.
a regular person in the jjk verse would be effected by unlimited void and i dont see why jotaro would have no cursed energy as hes pretty much a regular guy at the core which means it would effect him
@@dex7549 regular people have cursed energy. Cursed energy is a thing only in jjk, not in jjba, so people in jjba do not have cursed energy. Because they have no cursed energy, domain expansions wouldn't work on him.
@@aqz7603 what he said
@@aqz7603Problem with that is you specifically have to assume then that Jotaro then is a subject of heavenly restriction.
@@DirtiestDan05 No. This isnt hard to understand. Jotaro does not exist in the JJK universe. He does not abide by their system of power such as cursed energy or heavenly restriction.
Gojo's CT causes whatever moves toward him to halve its velocity infinitely as it gets closer to him. Velocity is change in distance/ change in time. When there is no change in time there can be no velocity so Star Platinum's time stop would completely negate the limitless shield.
yeah, I mean all these facts demonstrate that jotaro could beat gojo, technically, but that's assuming gojo stands there doing nothing
dude can teleport anywhere, all of his abilities have massive range, it won't do jotaro any good to react to them if he's not close enough to do anything about it
also, if jotaro's timestop can affect infinity, there's no reason to think the opposite wouldn't be also true. we've already seen Pucchi react in stopped time despite his stand only controling gravity, proving that at least in the jojo universe spacetime is linked, Gojo's space control being even more potent than pucchi, we can make an argument but gojo, if not being able to move, at least being entirely conscious during timestop
Could Jotaro defeat Gojo? Maybe, if we assume some things and take into account Gojo's careless personnality, Jotaro could use the surprise effect AND timestop, assuming it works, to beat Gojo
But in a Death Battle type fight where both opponents give their best, Gojo clears easily
I don’t think arguing that Gojo a character from JJK can potentially be conscious or can even potentially act in stopped time because Pucci a character from jojo did. There is absolutely no feat, hint, or any interpretation that could point towards Gojo being able to do anything in a potential time stop. Pucci was aware in stopped time because his stand was unironically a similar stand to Star platinum. Obviously they don’t share the same power but the same concepts.
"Domain expa-"
Jotaro: nuh uh
Short answer : No
Long answer : No
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Could
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@@Pk_mn "ld"
Gojo's ability is to make their opponents cover infinite distances to cover a finite distance, in mathematics infinfine fractions make a finite number if you add them up from the whole but if you add them one by one then you will never cover a certain distance. Gojo makes the former reality of adding all those infinite fractions together and seperates them by adding time inbetween so his opponents cover the infinite fractions one by one, so stopping time means you again like reallife cover thise infinite fractions together and reach any finite distance.
For example-
If you want to cover a distance of 1, you can cover it. But 1=1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16+1/32.........
So you have to cover all thise fractions one by one slowly if Gojo uses his ability, meaning you would cover first 0.5, then 0.75, then 0.875, then 0.9375 one by one and you will not actually reach 1.
Watch any 60 second short explaining why 1=1/2+1/4+1/8+1/16....... If you don't know, its surprisingly easy to understand.
gojo could just look at him and use blue to crush jotaro 💀
Jotaro stops time and throws a harpoon at him 😊
@@ch4rliegaming Stops time, throws that harpoon and what? It hits?? No LMFAO. No offense but uh, Prison Realm just negates that "can Inf be bypassed" idea.
I've been reading the comments and "Prison Realm" is definitely this guy's favorite 2 word phrase today
@@marunmeister1718 Yeah, no shit sherlock. If a 2 word phrase can destroy a 13 minute argument of absolute highballing and biased as fuck arguments that make near to no sense, filled with brainrot that does only focus on the things JJBA character can do and accomplish, then HIGHBALL it into oblivion, and lowball the character they're up against. Im definitely using it for an easy argument that shouldnt even BE an argument, or even need to BE talked about, when literally 99.99% of the people here DO know that Gojo just wins, yet they decide to go like statistical and say: "Ok so what if Jotaro had CE? Then, DE could work and kill Jot-" DE isnt even needed, spitting bullshit because you dont know anything else other than saying DE, or "RCT" or anything that gojo uses except blue and red, as if they're weak (considering lapse blue can literally one shot most things in JJBA, excluding BS like GE:R, WoU, etc. Which I wont even have to get into detail with.) Overall, Gojo wins this in a 98% winrate, and 2% if we lowball him this hard, lowball his moves, highball Jotaro 4 times the original, make him somehow way smarter than his supposed to be and give him a couple more info on Gojo's abilities.
That way, It'd be atleast the tiny numbers could add up to 10%, or maybe 20% if we REALLY try that hard. Overall, my opinion? 2 words is enough. Going for a full answer is fucking pointless in a non-sensical argument that isnt even an argument tbh, but just overall an execution.
Wow I am not reading all that
The way you explained infinity working is how it worked before he learned reverse cursed technique. When he mastered it, he made the infinity automatically determine what considers a threat. So even if he couldnt perceive an attack it should stop anything that could be consider a danger to him.
Absolutely not, Gojo's kit is more diverse than Jotaro's which is already a big factor here as Gojo severely outranges Jotaro, and Timestop while it would be useful, wouldn't help as Gojo can just regenerate with RCT, Jotaro doesn't have that great of an AP anyways so he really isn't doing much in mere 5 seconds.
Not to mention if we take into consideration his Black Flash amps, it's over before it even began
Wrong
@@planetjeff3933 and do you have any proof of your own rather than relying on the bullshit this guy just spout?
@@Pk_mn well first of all RCT isn't factor here because jotaro isn't the type of dude to drag on battles as soon as he learns about RCT he will aim for the head indefinitely stands have long range it's just the closer the stand to the user the stronger the stand so star platinum could if gojo runs go over to him and drag him back to the battle 3 if gojo in Shibuya was able to. Take out that many curses in 0.1 second of DE and jotaro is faster than him and is a tactical Guiness plus takes his battles seriously imagine what he could do in 5 seconds your right that gojo is more diverse but that doesn't take out every thing else black flash doesn't matter because of how much stronger jotaro is than gojo already
@@Pk_mn ok let's be real. It has been told in jjk manga that a domain can only have an effect on someone who's cursed energy it can recognise. So someone like maki or toji are not effected by domains because they have 0 cursed energy. Jotaro is not from jjk and since he said he will not be verse equalizing, jotaro has 0 cursed energy. Gojos domain won't hit him and infinity can't work in timestop. Infinity can't be reinforced in timestop and therefore is turned/useless. Jotaro has lightspeed attacks and would literally just disintegrate gojo in a timestop. Even if we did say infinity could work in timestop, it can not stop Star Platinum as it is a stand, in the astral plane, made of psychic energy, and therefore would not be effected by infinity. Jotaro wins and gojo doesn't have much of a chance.
Okay, yeah, that all makes sense, but I raise you flight.
If you think Genjutsu could work outside of the Naruto-verse, then Domain Expansion could work outside of the JJK Verse.
What makes a Domain Expansion terrifying is that the attacks are unavoidable and instant. BUT they work predicated on the fact that the opponent HAS some cursed energy for you to target and lock on to.
If Jotaro is not given cursed energy then it does not matter if the Domain Expansion is instant, it just by definition would not affect him because the Domain would not detect him as an entity.
Now, Jotaro still needs to get past infinity, to which I don't think Star Platinum can, but yea saying Jotaro having 0 Cursed Energy makes him immune to a domain expansion by default. Even ordinary civilians have cursed energy to a miniscule amount.
i fuq wid you being a jjk channel, more of this, kaileb
I have a question. DIO said to Kakyoin that The World is a stand that can reign over the world. What happen if The World's power is the power to govern anything? Let's say DIO chose to govern time, now he can stop time. But this power only allows the user to govern one aspect. If The World has this power instead of time stop , how strong would it be?
That's a nice theory but it hasn't been showcased in the series
Just because DIO said that, doesn’t mean that it’s true or related to how his stand works.
how I think the fight would go is that jotaro beats the shit out of gojo then gojo heals with RCT and realizes he is gonna get hit by an unknown force if he gets within 2 meters around jotaro. then gojo would simply ragdoll jotaro everywhere with red and blue from a pretty far distance and jotaro will be unable to do anything about it till he eventually dies
on more thing to note is that jotaro is just a normal human so even if star platinum blocks red, he's still gonna fly away with such massive force then get all his bones broken and he can create blue inside someone in an instant, killing jotaro by crushing his insides just like what he did with Juzo Kumiya when he got all his limbs twisted
@@cheesenaut6621to be fair notari has survived probably lots of broken bone in the final fight with Dio, I mean he got smashed through multiple things and then had use all his energy trying to deflect that steam roller and plus with Kira he was beaten down severely yet was still able to give a ass whoopin to him
I think you forgot a few important points that does push things to Gojo's favour. The first is being the prism realm which is stated that time does not move inside it but Gojo was unnaffected by this. Then on top of that Gojo was able to manipulate space from inside it on the outside as it was a seperate dimensional space. Then secondly It has been shown that Gojo similar to Sukuna can see and interact with the soul. Sukuna being able to no diff Mahito, and Gojo being able to perceive and react to the soul when against Sukuna later on with his 6 eyes. Stands are commonly seen as a representation of the soul, so realistically Gojo could see and interact with it.
Apart from the fact that that's contradicted because Six Eyes couldn't tell him Getos body was inhabited by Kenjaku so it can't invade/sense anything related to the mind.
@@kilzfordays But Stands are a manifestation of your fighting spirit, the soul. We know he could perceive Megumi’s soul during the Sukuna fight so it might just be a case of inconsistency, or maybe Gojo learned to perceive the soul after the incident with not being able to tell with Geto. But still, even if he can’t SEE SP, he should be able to perceive the changes in air flow around him, due to his Six Eyes showing him things most people can’t normally see, just feel. So in a way he still could perceive SP.
Holy shit that's a good point, imagine the scene when Dio saw jotaro moved in stopped time but it's jotaro and gojo
@@kilzfordays not true because of the concept of the body and the soul. Gojo spoke to Geto's body and it responded by choking Kenjaku. Plus in Gojo vs Sukuna Gojo literally looked and saw Megumi's soul inside of his body after Sukuna took it over
@@ang1217sr I don't think its an inconsistency thing with getting fooled by Geto. Kenjaku stole his body and through the story Mahito and even Yaga continue to prove that the body and the soul are one in the same. Gojo spoke to Geto's body and it responded, this shows that Gojo being fooled wasn't an inconsistency. Plus it also is proven with Toji when he takes over the Grandsons body and suppresses his soul because his body was too strong and it contains the memory of his soul
Gojo: You cant touch me.
Jotaro: So its the same type of stand as star platinum.
Something that most people forget about is the fact that Gojo is has very good durability and skills and they mainly focus on if opponent can break infinity, and when they come to that conclusion, they consider Gojo dead
If Star Platinum were to somehow make contact with Gojo, Gojo would most likely be dead in this case
@@lanayer gojo is still has insane speed and durability, OfCourse he might be able to hit but i dont think it would deal too much dmg
@@TheWeakest-ws8le star platinum has lightspeed attack speed. literally anyone getting hit by a lightspeed punch, is as good as dead.
@@TheWeakest-ws8le thats probably true in jjk standarts but jojo has completely different scaling, jotaro being massively faster than gojo in reaction time and combat speed, in a way you could compare star platinum's punches to a reversal red from gojo, being able to easily cave in terrain and punch through people without any difficulty
JJBA doesn’t follow physics too well, and a lot of shows don’t. Light speed attacks should be destroying entire cities at a minimal output, since force = mass x acceleration. Star Platinum is very strong, but it’s likely Gojo could RCT the damage away, but still be injured. Unless aimed for the head, he won’t get one tapped.
put more simply: gojo can't perceive stands, can't track them, meaning limitless can't deem it a threat or a non-threat. The way I see this playing out, Gojo underestimates jotaro (like he does everyone else), jotaro then proceeds to beat his ass with star platinum before he can do anything. 👍
My issue with this fight is that there is zero reason for Gojo to be anywhere near Jotaro. Surely he'd just fight in a similar way to coat rack guy or Hanami where he just stands back and rips them apart with blue or erase them with purple. Even assuming Jotaro could see these attacks despite having no cursed energy, he himself doesnt have the speed to dodge them.
Jotaro has cursed energy
@@thatoneguy5001 Yeah and Gojo can see stands
Jotaro is literally faster then light and gojo is super sonic with his current scaling
@@nothingness4068 Star platinum is faster than light. Jotaro couldn't get to Kira who was like 20m away in 2 seconds so he's very clearly not faster than light.
@@russianbot5302 ah yeah but you see if he wasn't lightspeed then he would get fucked up by most characters. Silver chariot cut the rays of the sun(light) against the sun fight and silver chariot bloodlusted 1v1ed a star platinum holding back and sp won
if it's blood lusted gojo negs.
if it's in character it depends on whether or not Gojo can see SP (but he should be able to cause he's aware of the soul)
If Jotaro can't kill Pucci in a single timestop, then he couldn't kill Gojo. From there Gojo could use RCT and kill him with any of his techniques before Jotaro can timestop again.
Pucci was so quick that he literally slowed down time stops. He had infinite speed, and Jotaro had basically no chance to kill him, except for when he did the Jolyne knife thing. I feel like Jotaro could probably destroy Gojo's brain or heart if they are fighting to the death(stands can phase through bodies and turn into nonphysical beings, but still affect physical things)
@@randomyoutuber2633 I didn't mean when Pucci had MiH, I meant when Jotaro first appeared and he still had C-moon. Another major factor is if they're in character, because I don't think Jotaro would just start crushing internal organs. Even then, Gojo has insane durability. Kusakabe said a single cleave could kill him through Simple Domain, Domain Amplification or CE Reinforcement, meanwhile Gojo could Regen through Malevolent Shrine.
@notfunnydidntlaugh5270 Kusakabe did say that, but in the latest chapter, he survived multiple slashes from Sukuna. Maybe it was him underestimating himself or something?
@@notfunnydidntlaugh5270that’s part 6 jotaro not part 3 part 3 put a hole through dio head and body easily
@@randomyoutuber2633 That was Dismantle, Sukuna can only use Cleave when he's making contact with someone (except for Domain Expansion). Kusakabe also used Simple Domain to reduce their damage as opposed to Gojo who was tanking Cleaves and then healing from them.
I think domains are instant but the activation time depends on the person, so like if jotaro saw him making a hand sign and thought something was up and time stopped then he might still be able to pull something
That’s not in character tho. He’d more likely try to get distance and see what this new move is. And unless star platinum launched him as hard as he can, he’s getting caught
@@cringemeat9430 yeah probably, was trying to think of something he could do
limitless is just hard stopping jotaro from winning this fight unfortunately.
Correct. People are trying to debate over if TS works against Infinity... which it doesnt. My reason's pretty simple: Prison Realm. Thats it
@@boiexe2105not wrong, but that’s not the reason jotaro does not win. gojo has every category except for.. well experience. stand experience. goatjo has fought more battles than jotaro. and also, these jotaro stans in turn also are basically saying that jotaro > sukuna (no mahoraga) ☠️
@@boiexe2105 prison realm does not have stopped time same as jotaro's ability. prison realm stopped time means he does not age nor cn he tell the time that has passed outside. jotaro's time stop hits a pause on gojo. he cannot move or think. jotaro takes this.
On the subject of limitless vs psychic energy, pure telekinesis would probably be able to get through just fine, but stands still have physical presence and they still have to obey the laws of space( cant get to far from the user)
So i believe that a stand punching him would catch gojo off guard, he would eventually be able to adapt limitless to the stand eventually
Nah, gojo wins
Gojo cant beat jotaro if he’s dead🤷🏿♀️
He can asks jotaro to give him a grave .😂
Being fair, jotaro has died more times than Gojo has
Jotaro cant beat Gojo if hes reduced to atoms
As much as I think Gojo easily takes this, I also think Jotaro would react to Infinite Void surprisingly well.
His ability to process information is on a level of speed beyond anything seen in JJK. He fought an amped Silver Chariot blow for blow and was able to take a cigarette and a juice at extremely high speeds without even slightly damaging or disturbing these items. If anything, I believe Gojo's domain would simply hinder him to a point that he can no longer operate with the same level of superhuman precision he normally has. However the domain would still be a win condition since it wouldn't let Jotaro escape and because infinite information intake is only the domain's passive effect
Nah, Gojo would win
Time stop+ small town scaling is enough to give gojo the sukuna treatment .
@@Kira22558small town isnt doing anything to gojo
@@Kira22558Small town AP aint enough and even if he does get damaged he can RCT
Infinite void: they cant move but can see
Time stop: they cant move and cant see what they see is teleportation
domains are instant and their construction is also instant but the vanity is what takes time, you can change how a domain looks like but not its sure hit
Unless unlimited void can affect stand then yes. If not
Its gojover. Star platinum would just use time stop and pummel him. Infinity ain't nothing without time flowing.
@@SonGoku59249 a stand is your soul and a projection of you, if its damaged so do you
I feel like something that was overlooked however was Gojo's speed and reaction time, it's said he has much faster processing time and can see things others can't with the 6 eyes, as well is said to be the FASTEST character in the JJK verse, his teleportation is instant no? Between those two things, there's a chance he could react to star plat (excluding time stop). Still, I think I agree with the rest of the video, and it's a lot to consider for these two power houses. Gj!
I think a more close-character fight would be DIO vs Gojo, both are so incredibly powerful in comparison to every other character in the verse except 1 or 2 that neither take the fight seriously until they almost die. Both view themselves as a sort of devine being that holds power over the world, DIO with his god complex and Gojo with his honored one complex. Both of them are considered by many in universe characters to be the strongest being to ever live in the modern day, and both of them hold some extreme power that makes killing them near impossible, Gojos infinity and DIOs immorality
I think a big factor is if star platinum itself is affected by infinity, it has no physical form or presence, and infinity doesn't effect non-physical elements like air or oxygen, or else gojo could never breathe at all. Although I believe as well that Star Platinum could easily make contact, and once someone who can make contact gets into punching range of gojo, he's basically done for-there is the question of if Gojo can sense star platinum, he is a form of fighting spirit energy stuff, so if gojo could see and comprehend what he was, he could possibly tweak his infinity to keep star platinum out as well
I think gojo could constantly refresh his brain to counter mental attacks like he did against sukuna
tbh tusk or cmoon would’ve been a better matchup
both stands manipulate gravity and spacetime
cmoon has a barrier made of gravity,
tusk has been shown tearing apart pocket dimensions
I have to disagree for one thing I believe that Infinity is an ability that would work on all stands and psychic abilities purely because of how its defined. The way of thinking that infinity is a real physical barrier is wrong, infinity creates an infinite amount of space in between the user and its target. ALL stands and characters in JJBA are affected by Infinity because its not an ability on another dimension it is physically extending the space between objects, so as long as said stand does not have infinity+ speed(Made in Heaven) it is impossible for anyone to reach gojo besides disabling Infinity. In terms of JJBA and specifically Jotaro and Star Platinum, the short range limitation on the stand would make it impossible for it to cross the gap of Infinity. Unless Jotaro manages to create an Infinity+ speed star finger. Of course because this ability just creates infinite space and is NOT a wall even in stopped time the infinite space would still be there meaning that would be no help to Jotaro. But even if Jotaro is somehow able to land hits on gojo, gojo still has reversed curse technique and would be able to heal as much as he wants with his infinite curse energy pool. Now another thing not in favor of Jotaro is Gojo's domain expansion which would leave Jotaro paralyzed depending on how long he was hit with unlimited void. There is no defence against unlimited void except simple domain, hollow wicker basket, or a domain expansion of your own none of which Jotaro possess. It's not even a matter of if your mentally strong if you get hit you will be paralyzed. All in all I do believe Jotaro would get wiped by Gojo but in terms of All stands in JJBA there are some who could beat Gojo and his Infinity such as Made in Heaven, Tusk act 4, D4C Love Train, Ball Breaker, GER, Soft and Wet: Go Beyond, and of course Wonder of U. Most of these are stands that posses their own "Infinity" or people who are just completely broken like GER.
Alright prepare for a 5 page essay. So let's talk about infinity. In any capacity Jotaro should surpass it because Kaleb got it a little wrong. It's not always active the limitless technique needs to identify the threat then create the infinite space. How ever Gojo can choose to have it permanently active as shown in the beginning of season 2. However if Kaleb's correct about stands being something other than cursed energy which is probably correct then that doesn't matter. Jotaro however isn't the type to just rip off oponents heads he punches them up usually. Or even with intent to kill would probably just donut Gojo. Rct can make Gojo survive this quite easily. Then there's something Kaleb didn't mention, blue, red, and purple would definitely do damage. And Gojo's not an idiot either, he'd realize "oh I can't see what he's attacking me with" so he would probably teleport around (it's true teleportation btw) and then hit him with red. Jotaro has no regen powers nor a way to counter this so just off this Gojo probably wins. Let's then say hypothetically Gojo's pushed to domain expansion, once again Jotaro isn't a jujutsu sorcerer so even if he damaged Gojo his domain would probably still come out for a second or two and that's game. But if Jotaro was using cursed energy then he'd get stopped by infinity. But if he stopped time, to bypass infinity then unlimited void would still get casted, long enough to put him out for a few seconds, enough for hollow purple. But what if Jotaro ripped Gojo's head off, he could but he wouldn't. He would've done it to dio, or c-moon puchi but he didn't because it's not in his nature. So overall Gojo wins
I think there’s strong evidence that domains are Instantaneous
No character has ever made a comment about how Gojo could just teleport out of the way of a Domain. Everyone always says that a Domain would be needed to fight Gojo
Meaning despite Gojo having instant teleportation, it’s still not useful against a domain activation
4:32 This one isn't true. Gojo had to activate and deactivate it before as it fried his brain, now he used it passively. This part, you did mention and is true.
Where you misunderstood is that he doesn't need to make a conscious decision for it to stop objects. He explained before that it discerns the velocity and cursed energy of approaching objects. He also mentioned after the Toji fight that he would teach it to detect poison and stuff.
That tells us that the only active part is telling it what to stop, afterwards it will do it passively so long as he has it up.
Domain expansions aren’t instant otherwise domain clashes and simple domains don’t make sense. I think Jotaro and Star Platinum are more than fast enough to react and that time stop bypasses infinity.
Jotaro rarely uses timestop offensively if almost everytime its defensive as it leaves him severely fatigued
DE’s aren’t instant your completely right but to assume jotaro who’s in a universe where people do poses nearly every damn day it’s kindve insane to assume he would know this is a attack and not gojo showing off.
jotaro : moves in gojo’s domain
GOJO : NANI
jotaro: so is the same type of cursed technique with starless
STARLESS UNLEASH DOMAIN
"Yo Gojo, would Jotaro and Star Platinum beat you in a fight?"
"Naw, I'd win"
There's only one reason why you lost, Gojo.
You really pissed me off.
Jotaro probably