@@nepadron bc humans cope with trauma in 3 ways; fight,flight and fawn,usually all 3 but one or two become dominant. Children that attempt to flee or fight become rebels,scapegoats and often suffer from self sabotage in later life...children that fawn become doormats in later life and often develop people pleasing tendencies and codepedency. All these kids will struggle with depression and anxiety and develop different forms of addictions like perfectionism,workaholicism,alcoholism,drug addiction,sex, gambling etc. They are also more likely to develop personality disorders with varying severity. Depending on their personalities,willpower and the environment they gravitate towards,that determines to what extent these issues affect them and whether they overcome them or not. PS my 3 siblings and I are survivors of child abuse n neglect.
I half-agree on that, because we've come a long way in psychology since it's acceptance in society and understanding what a trauma like this can do to a young still developing person. But I surely think that in general, mass education could be way broader and in-depth regarding these kinda topics, not only, but definately also in the US.
@io To be fair, that is one example that went the right way and why would I not believe you in this context, but to also be fair, did you see or talk to the kid? Because your diagnosis could also solely be based on (positive) prejudices you got from psychology class when you never encountered the patient. Just saying. Because your second sentence rather comes off as trying to dissociate yourself from the oh so dumb public than constructive to me. no hate
OK, I'm not American and I had no idea about any of the real life events that inspired this novel, but reading the AGDS Wikipedia page I found this: "Because of questions about the number of deaths at the school and a high number of unmarked graves, the state authorized a forensic anthropology survey by University of South Florida in 2012. They identified 55 burials on the grounds, most outside the cemetery, and documented nearly 100 deaths at the school. The state said it did not have authority to allow exhumation of graves, which would permit determination of cause of death and identification of remains. (In addition it wanted to sell land on the property.) A family member of a student who died at the school in 1934, and who wanted to reinter his remains, filed suit and gained an injunction against the state's moving ahead with the sale before remains could be exhumed and identified." I... I... "The state said it did not have authority to allow exhumation of graves, which would permit determination of cause of death and identification of remains." I mean, it kinda goes without saying but WHAT THE FUCK FLORIDA.
This same thing happened to all Native kids put into "mission" schools, taken away from their families, sometimes by force or theft and the families had no idea what had happened to their children. I wonder if the children in this school in Florida were Native. Also happened all across Canada.
GWTW doesn’t really focus on slavery. It is the backdrop. It’s Scarlett’s journey, her relationship with Rhett, her stupidity for idolizing Ashley, etc. The war, slaves, reconstruction, are there for drama, but it’s really just about Scarlett....she was in like every scene of an over 3 hr movie. That’s like saying the point of Castaway is airplane crashes.
infg3570 How was slavery glossed over? Slavery and the Civil War are taught extensively in school. I always felt like the Vietnam War/Era was the least covered.
infg3570 You honestly don’t think slavery, the Underground Railroad, abolitionists, etc is taught in school? I don’t know what school you attended. But slavery through civil rights is taught in schools. At least when I attended school....maybe things have changed.
Really eye-opening book -- just finished it. Please, everyone read this book and learn of the atrocities of schools like this and yes Beverly, the great majority were black men being horribly mistreated and killed. Modern day plantation and slavery at its worst.
@@luluseatowngetdown6251 yeah, the Florida gov tried to sell the property ignoring the bodies but someone filed a lawsuit about it which made them actually look into it
Right? Sadly this "classic" asks the reader to see it from the oppressor's point of view. She devalues humans, lives off the suffering of those whom she has enslaved and labels HERSELF a victim. It's sickening that anyone would identify with her. And sad that still, after all this time and all this evolution of the human mind, some people still do. I've seen more outrage that Rhett slaps her bitch face than that people literally felt they had the right to own another human being!
I have a separate shelf on goodreads called Trevor Noah. There is his book obviously and of those people he interviews. Need to catch up with my reading
Thanks for the list. I can recommend one fictionalized story based on real life murders of the richest people in the world, the Osage Native Americans. The book is Killers of the Flowers Moon by David Grann.
This book was like being kicked in the gut. But, what's good about it is that it doesn't just turn into torture p o rn like some things do. It has horrific things in it but also a very well written and well constructed story.
While I've never resorted to magical puppy books, I generally have several books I'm reading at any given time. It lets me escape the horrors of genocide by focusing on income inequality or intentional ignorance for awhile. Hmm. I wonder if that has anything to do with my not wanting to run into so many people either?
Not to take away from the sober topic (I'm definitely going to read the book), but when he first started talking about the character Elwood I thought he was talking about Elle Woods from Legally Blonde and I can't believe no one else has commented about the similarity.
Man, why can't there be just one serial killer who targets those who hurt children? But more than a serial killer, more like a kidnapper who takes them to a remote location and forces them to stay alive with forced feedings and suicide watch and a doctor to keep them alive and just make them spend decades in torture? Somebody must be willing to pay for that.
I do always wonder every time I hear a new broken thing our country has done: when does it fucking stop. Seriously guys, when does it fucking stop. Cause I know it’s not me, and probably not you. But when does it stop.
Thank you. I liked another comment before you to validate this dark secret. Funny thing is that it pissed off some tribal AA that it was mentioned as if we can’t have solidarity on this. I’m currently still trying to reach out but people have become very selfish nowadays with exposure. Maybe they have always been. I suggest people inform themselves not only of African American experience but of Natives, Latinos and Asians. Some people have big egos though and they want priority. A good book I just read called Killers of the Flowers Moon by David Grann. It’s about the Osage Native Americans, the richest people of the world. Your comment should have more likes.
We need more books like this showing how every white American is racist because of slavery a hundred and fifty years ago. We do not need to tell anyone how slavery still exist in Africa today with an estimated 9 million slaves and as a black man in America you are 40 times more likely to get killed by another black man than a racist white man. it is important to know facts about history it is also important you report all the facts and not just ones that make your case look the strongest it is important to remember that only an estimated 5% of slaves are roughly 600,000 out of the 12 million we're brought to North America. I wish when the slaves were freed they killed all the slave owners and Masters in my opinion they would have been Justified
There was a 'reform school' not far from where I grew up. Young people being by raised by an uncaring, unloving unfeeling institution - like orphans, but less. Most of them wound up in prison. Why not? That's how 'we' raised them. 😔
Colson Whitehead is an amazing author and come on now Trevor, you and your writers couldn't come up with better questions? Bruh your show has lost it's bite, I understand it's a comedy show but so is John Oliver's and honestly so is Jim Jefferies and they both are funny while pulling no punches, just an opinion
"If you leave the house there's so many...what's the word...PEOPLE." 🤣
K Yu that's how i feel sometimes 😂
I FELT THAT IN MY SOUL
@@gg56g Those words went straight to my introvert heart.
😂😂😂
@@gg56g
That's how I feel always
People underestimate how much trauma and specially childhood trauma shapes a human being.
I am always fascinated with how totally different people can be from each other, even siblings and twins react to trauma as children wildly different.
@@nepadron bc humans cope with trauma in 3 ways; fight,flight and fawn,usually all 3 but one or two become dominant.
Children that attempt to flee or fight become rebels,scapegoats and often suffer from self sabotage in later life...children that fawn become doormats in later life and often develop people pleasing tendencies and codepedency.
All these kids will struggle with depression and anxiety and develop different forms of addictions like perfectionism,workaholicism,alcoholism,drug addiction,sex, gambling etc. They are also more likely to develop personality disorders with varying severity.
Depending on their personalities,willpower and the environment they gravitate towards,that determines to what extent these issues affect them and whether they overcome them or not.
PS my 3 siblings and I are survivors of child abuse n neglect.
I half-agree on that, because we've come a long way in psychology since it's acceptance in society and understanding what a trauma like this can do to a young still developing person. But I surely think that in general, mass education could be way broader and in-depth regarding these kinda topics, not only, but definately also in the US.
@io To be fair, that is one example that went the right way and why would I not believe you in this context, but to also be fair, did you see or talk to the kid? Because your diagnosis could also solely be based on (positive) prejudices you got from psychology class when you never encountered the patient. Just saying. Because your second sentence rather comes off as trying to dissociate yourself from the oh so dumb public than constructive to me. no hate
True
You gotta appreciate the amount of books Trevor reads !!!!
toshi steven Trevor is smart, he seems to have a good memory. There is a style to read quickly and absorb it. Not all can do it.
He must have a system for condensing them. I'd kill to know what that system is.
You guys just speak my mind
I think they, the hosts, have assistants who read books and provide excerpts, summary before the interview to the shows' hosts.
Or Audio book. You listen on the commute to work...
OK, I'm not American and I had no idea about any of the real life events that inspired this novel, but reading the AGDS Wikipedia page I found this:
"Because of questions about the number of deaths at the school and a high number of unmarked graves, the state authorized a forensic anthropology survey by University of South Florida in 2012. They identified 55 burials on the grounds, most outside the cemetery, and documented nearly 100 deaths at the school. The state said it did not have authority to allow exhumation of graves, which would permit determination of cause of death and identification of remains. (In addition it wanted to sell land on the property.) A family member of a student who died at the school in 1934, and who wanted to reinter his remains, filed suit and gained an injunction against the state's moving ahead with the sale before remains could be exhumed and identified."
I... I...
"The state said it did not have authority to allow exhumation of graves, which would permit determination of cause of death and identification of remains."
I mean, it kinda goes without saying but WHAT THE FUCK FLORIDA.
Yeah Florida has issues.
Florida strikes again.
Florida is infamous in the US for WTF's
Fuckin' Florida...
Not trying to be funny but this occurrence in Florida is not surprising
the guests in this shows are so well selected and they have a lot to offer
I love you Trevor for having people like Colson on your show. Thank you for everything you do.
Greg the alien, Lls. SNL
People like him?
@@naenae6641 You got me...first.
@@narayanan26 Yea people that have an important story to tell, but would otherwise go unnoticed by most mainstream media outlets.
This same thing happened to all Native kids put into "mission" schools, taken away from their families, sometimes by force or theft and the families had no idea what had happened to their children. I wonder if the children in this school in Florida were Native. Also happened all across Canada.
Now immigrantion camps
U mean the same way the native kicked out the darker or black natives when the white man came in and offered money to them
Marv44 4 I was looking for this comment ✊🏽✊🏽✊🏽
@@pimpdeejack facts 100
@@marv4442 do you have a source for this? Not trying to be flippant but am actually interested.
I love his attitude....”people”😂....couldn’t agree more...
4:44 the comment on "Gone with the wind" , priceless.
GWTW doesn’t really focus on slavery. It is the backdrop. It’s Scarlett’s journey, her relationship with Rhett, her stupidity for idolizing Ashley, etc. The war, slaves, reconstruction, are there for drama, but it’s really just about Scarlett....she was in like every scene of an over 3 hr movie. That’s like saying the point of Castaway is airplane crashes.
@@anneb889 GWTW pretty much glosses over slavery just as the mandatory history we've had to take in school. Whitewashed, to which I too would say 4:44
infg3570 How was slavery glossed over? Slavery and the Civil War are taught extensively in school. I always felt like the Vietnam War/Era was the least covered.
@@anneb889 "How was slavery glossed over…" infg3570 has officially left this chat.
infg3570 You honestly don’t think slavery, the Underground Railroad, abolitionists, etc is taught in school? I don’t know what school you attended. But slavery through civil rights is taught in schools. At least when I attended school....maybe things have changed.
His description of Gone With The Wind, is why I never could sit through it🤣
Really eye-opening book -- just finished it. Please, everyone read this book and learn of the atrocities of schools like this and yes Beverly, the great majority were black men being horribly mistreated and killed. Modern day plantation and slavery at its worst.
trauma is so real. It can't be silenced nor dismissed.
But it very often is.
@@luluseatowngetdown6251 yeah, the Florida gov tried to sell the property ignoring the bodies but someone filed a lawsuit about it which made them actually look into it
😂😂 Love what he said about Gone With The Wind!!!!! Yes!!!!
Olivia Theresa 😂😂😂
@Jilly Bean Right!!!! Im so tired of people saying that book is a "american classic"....like really????💀
Right? Sadly this "classic" asks the reader to see it from the oppressor's point of view. She devalues humans, lives off the suffering of those whom she has enslaved and labels HERSELF a victim. It's sickening that anyone would identify with her. And sad that still, after all this time and all this evolution of the human mind, some people still do. I've seen more outrage that Rhett slaps her bitch face than that people literally felt they had the right to own another human being!
@@mandapants74 Absolutely! It just makes me mad that the book is so loved by people and the movie as well....smh
I have a separate shelf on goodreads called Trevor Noah.
There is his book obviously and of those people he interviews.
Need to catch up with my reading
Kaj Lekan can you send to me please 🙏🏽
@@gg56g sure, I hope the link works:
www.goodreads.com/review/list/42978576-wiwka14?date_added=2019&order=a&shelf=trevor-noah
Thanks for the list. I can recommend one fictionalized story based on real life murders of the richest people in the world, the Osage Native Americans. The book is Killers of the Flowers Moon by David Grann.
This book sounds fantastic, yet heartbreaking. Can’t wait to read
Giving it a second read.
It sounds like a very quietly kept concentration camp and execution center.
Was thinkin the same thing
Very interesting interview! Thanks, Trevor and Colson.
"mother nature took over for justice"
Moravia Laurich Correct.
But so late i think
Just finished the book . Heart wrenching.
i just read this book and its's one of the best books i've ever read.
An introvert of culture.
My man!
I started reading this book last week. Thanks for having him on.
Wow! I loved this conversation. This writer is so witty😂
I have heard this book is so good I can't wait to read it soon👍...great interview!
Superb book just finished it. It has so many parallels to the Magadlene Laundries & reform school systems in Ireland
This book was like being kicked in the gut. But, what's good about it is that it doesn't just turn into torture p o rn like some things do. It has horrific things in it but also a very well written and well constructed story.
I haven't picked up his new book yet, but The Underground Railroad exceeds superlatives. Required reading for anyone with a soul.
Thank you Trevor... you’re too awesome for words!! 👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽🥳✨
I love this show... they always have authors of books I’ve read or want to read!
Love people like this. That was so real
I'm reading the book it's heartbreaking! It is painful!
The way Colson Whitehead described the ending one-third of the book following Elwood... 🤔😉
Just like Indian boarding schools...
Yes! When people say "MAGA", my response is usually "oh, like before the pilgrims came?"
LC.164 I am and their point remains
alcatrazzz * Indigenous but yes unfortunately America has a blueprint that they follow
@@kupidrosalindavateri3965 Yes. America's been separating families since day 1
While I've never resorted to magical puppy books, I generally have several books I'm reading at any given time. It lets me escape the horrors of genocide by focusing on income inequality or intentional ignorance for awhile. Hmm. I wonder if that has anything to do with my not wanting to run into so many people either?
I've got to research this.... though it's nauseating to imagine what happened.
Rip ,❣️🕊️✝️🤦🤦to 🙄😕those babies, who died at the hands of evil 👿 predators 💔💔💔💙💜might read one day, not up to it , yet🤦😕🕊️✝️✝️✝️
I have the book havent read it...cant wait to start
just read the book and came back to this interview and wow
Magical puppy who gets lost and finds his way home, lol
A really sobering read, this book.
I love this guy!
A crueldade humana continua nos dias de hoje, infelizmente.
Not to take away from the sober topic (I'm definitely going to read the book), but when he first started talking about the character Elwood I thought he was talking about Elle Woods from Legally Blonde and I can't believe no one else has commented about the similarity.
Colson Whitehead and I suffer from the same allergy... People...Yes stay indoors "it's cold outside" Anyway congrats...
You should have gone to Mariana, Florida just to see this setting. It was appalling even while it was still open. You just knew.
I wish they would turn Colson whiteheads book Underground Railroad into a TVseries such a great book 📖
Your wish came true
Man, why can't there be just one serial killer who targets those who hurt children? But more than a serial killer, more like a kidnapper who takes them to a remote location and forces them to stay alive with forced feedings and suicide watch and a doctor to keep them alive and just make them spend decades in torture? Somebody must be willing to pay for that.
Eugenics Movement
What an interesting interview. ...
Humans are so wicked. Not all, but many are.
Magic puppy who gets lost... Is he talking avout 'Roverandom' by Tolkien? That one was cute. I might need to reread it after 'Nickle Boys'
promise to myself gonna read, what trevor reads
I am now just hearing about this "reform" school. That's terrible! As terrible as the kids in cages policy by Trump
Actually it's worse since it was around for 110 years...
I do always wonder every time I hear a new broken thing our country has done: when does it fucking stop.
Seriously guys, when does it fucking stop. Cause I know it’s not me, and probably not you.
But when does it stop.
I love it NATURE!
is Poetic Justice 😎
Gone with the Wind : Django Rides Again, an alternate take
Whitehead first heard of the real life Dozier School on Twitter in 2014
"They should burn your fucking house down, your a fucking slaver"
God and all his children know that that statement is right and just.
Really good book as are all his other books.
Is it on Audible?
Anyone know where I can get that book about the magical puppy?
He seems like a reasonable guy. :)
Nothing good happens in Florida!!!
Or anywhere ELSE for that matter
This is BOARDING SCHOOL. Ask natives about this.
Thank you. I liked another comment before you to validate this dark secret. Funny thing is that it pissed off some tribal AA that it was mentioned as if we can’t have solidarity on this. I’m currently still trying to reach out but people have become very selfish nowadays with exposure. Maybe they have always been. I suggest people inform themselves not only of African American experience but of Natives, Latinos and Asians. Some people have big egos though and they want priority. A good book I just read called Killers of the Flowers Moon by David Grann. It’s about the Osage Native Americans, the richest people of the world. Your comment should have more likes.
Brilliant author, just like Marlon James... I can't seem to read his books, though. Too traumatic.
Bruh look like an old shawn wayans in tha thumbnail
There is no hope for humanity 😪
You are wrong
This was the same modus operendi in many countries. Australia UK Canada etc.
We need more books like this showing how every white American is racist because of slavery a hundred and fifty years ago. We do not need to tell anyone how slavery still exist in Africa today with an estimated 9 million slaves and as a black man in America you are 40 times more likely to get killed by another black man than a racist white man. it is important to know facts about history it is also important you report all the facts and not just ones that make your case look the strongest it is important to remember that only an estimated 5% of slaves are roughly 600,000 out of the 12 million we're brought to North America. I wish when the slaves were freed they killed all the slave owners and Masters in my opinion they would have been Justified
There was a 'reform school' not far from where I grew up. Young people being by raised by an uncaring, unloving unfeeling institution - like orphans, but less. Most of them wound up in prison. Why not? That's how 'we' raised them. 😔
What was the name of the place?
Commander Crimson Dozier School for Boys
65=13*5 devil was on the rise, but I can hear his cries, probably he is nearby, probably using an alibi
I’ve found my guy!
Sorry, whts the Title of book, again⁉️
B 008 The Nickel boys.
@@kathyclarke6327 👁️🙏🕊️👁️👁️🕊️🕊️
It’s a video. You can always rewind it my man to catch something you missed.
Unmarked graves? Ight people gotta go to prison jesus christ
I’d rather read the Magic Puppy, if you don’t mind? With a great hand, anything can be a great, complex tale.
Ghere must be big money in writing books
wow....
Cool
Or you could read Sag Harbor.
I loved Sag Harbor! It's the best, like a Black Camp Nowhere.
It made me want to go to Oak Bluffs where the Black rich "summer" these days.
Did someone say " puppy" ?
wow
Striped pajamas
Colson Whitehead is an amazing author and come on now Trevor, you and your writers couldn't come up with better questions? Bruh your show has lost it's bite, I understand it's a comedy show but so is John Oliver's and honestly so is Jim Jefferies and they both are funny while pulling no punches, just an opinion
What???
Jesus
🙈🙈👊
Second Comment
I can't believe I just did it 😪
Third!!!
Gone with the wind was total trash
6th comment!
first comment? hehe
Who the fuck is this?🥴🤔
This is terrible!
Imagine being black and called Whitehead hahaha xD
3rd