I was a Marine Infantry Rifleman, one of my deployments was the Second Battle of Fallujah for house to house combat against meth and opiate fueled jihadist insurgents, that scatter gun did its job flawlessly
I doo about 50% or more of my training with shotguns. When you are limited to 5 rounds in your rifles you can get your shotgun in battery so much quicker. A determined man can do a hell of a lot with a 12 gauge pump and a couple big ass knives than most people think.
Advantage #1 Throws a lot of lead...3" shell of # 4 buck throws 41 (24 cal. ) bullets with one pull of the trigger #2 Can take out more than one person with each pull of the trigger. #3 Versatile Different size of projectiles for hunting and self defense......Get a shotgun with choke tubes... Some Bird loads BB - #4 (especially in Tungsten ) will kill a human quickly out to 30 yards. Tungsten is 40 percent denser then lead. I have the best pattern load with a full choke, Mossberg 500, Federal 000 buck....at 40 - 45 yards all 8 pellets hit a man size target. Thanks for the video
I grew up on a farm and we used number 5 shot for everything except a slug for deer. My father bought a Harrington Richardson single barrel 12 gauge for $4 in 1932. It never failed him in his life and my brother is still using it today.
the hell you can't. It wont pierce soft armor and buckshot wont pierce ONE sidewall of a tire, windshield or car door beyond 10m and wont do so at 5m if the angle of the shot is much less than 90 degrees. The shotshells are heavy, bulky, fragile, expensive, awkward to carry , slow to reload. TRY getting 7 hits per second with a pump 12 and buck shot like Micelek can do with an AR, and the autorifle can be SILENCED, with subsonic ammo. You cant take down conceal the shotgun, nor use it effectively with one arm. Given a riot barrel and normal 00 buck, there's head and shoulder sized holes in the pattern at a mere 30m, so you can be centered on a cover-user and never touch him, Ditto if he's head on prone to you and wearing a helmet. NOBODY is much good with $1+ per shot 12 ga slugs. If you were inclined to spend that much money, youd have a silenced AR with a 22 unit, saving you $1 per shot. You have no intention of using slugs swiftly, I know that cause if you were, youd use the rifle instead. Your blasts will call in every enemy within a mile radius and tha'ts likely to be dozens of them. Anyone can tell the difference between a shotgun blast and a rifle's crack. It says "I'm right here and I"m stupid/easy pickings"
All the gun you need to kill anything in North America. 12 Gauge ammo is heavy if you have to move from one location to another frequently on foot. Easier to carry 500 plus 22LR rounds if you have a Ruger 10/22 carbine for small game hunting and survival.
@@robertonavarro7713 not gonna argue that but the fantasy bugout thing isn’t what we’re discussing. This would be a more community defensive/offensive weapon
TFB TV gave me a great pointer for a reloading source , a good ol Fanny pack works amazing after running dry , I found it super fast and easy more so than my estac cards .
Tubes for single barrel and Double tube kits to shoot 22 lr 223 38 357 45 9mm and many more so you can shoot any kind Caliber out of shot gun also back power kit in your single break barrel 209 Primer adapter make all kinds of black powder too with the tubes Inserts for different types of ammunition. Good video.
I didn't like the stock fit and recoil, I could outrun the trigger by the third string of fire. Recoil is subjective but speed isn't. Everything else felt good and the tiger stripe was excellent, I wanted to like it, I think the stock and trigger hold them back. Lots of aftermarket stocks but what triggers get that reset to keep up with the action?
I recommend them. If you can get the 500/590 get it just bc you can change out the furniture easier and I prefer the safety on it. But there’s no qualms to a maverick 88. They’re still built good and reliable. Just recommended a guy to get a maverick 88 and PSA Dagger. He got both for $500. Nice setup to get you in
Yep. gG&G has some good stuff for the 870 or 500. It’s what I use for the sling mount and light mount. Adhesive Velcro for the esstac Velcro cards. And hogue short LOP stock. Most shotgun stocks are way too long
I am currently saving for a Mossberg 590 S. Reason being is that I can shoot mini shells with it too, but without an adapter. I know I’d lose the adapter anyway.
The adapter should hold up but what if? I don't trust them either, and the "S" series *should be* better for ALL shells aside from the specific mini shell need. I really just need to get a 20 guage shockwave, no gimmicks there, all loads are reduced loads relatively.
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors TAC-14: AFAIK they were reliable but not that many in circulation before Remington folded. Being able to one hand before reloads is huge, makes a (soft/3A) shield workable (racking a pump off a shield isn't great, you're set-up for jams and you need a bumper customized to grab with your slide assembly) without a buddy, actually usable for home defense. How does the recoil feel one handing a TAC-14 though? A fullsize 590A1 with a raptor grip isn't bad, actual shockwaves are 2-3 pounds lighter, a tac is about the same but the gas system timing is a wildcard.... you know what you need to do.
I'm a left handed OLD GUY. I use my Browning BPS with a skeet choke. It's been my baby for 40 years now. So running it is pretty much reflexive, without thought.... When I have the 1301, I need it in my visual workspace.
Torn between a 12ga or a 22lr for my first fire arm. I’m a big fella, about 6 foot and 2 feet across the shoulders so recoil is not much of a concern but the amount of ammo one can reasonably carry is a concern when stacked against somthing more ergonomic like the 22lr. Thoughts on the subject?
@@ghostwriter1440 I think a 22 should almost be everyone’s first pew pew. Next a good carry pistol you can have on your person and get lots of ammo and training. Then eventually a rifle and have rigs from there
I highly advocate for the shotgun, BUT for my first gun I’d tell you to get the 22lr rifle. Then when you can get a 9mm pistol that you can edc and carry daily. After those two then I’d look at a rifle or shotgun
Watching the news has got me casting 2 days a week and reloading the other 5. Last week i did 12g foster and pellet slugs, this week it's 00 buckshot. I went ahead and ordered a new mold for shits and grins. A .730 caliber pellet slug weighing in at 1 3/8oz in pure lead. I'll put em in 3"chedditte clear hulls with 30gr Longshot, bpi brushwad, nitro card, slug, roll crimp. Basically the Same recipe for 00 buck with a clear overshot card. If that big pellet slug works out I'll put that in my chest rig and replace the smaller .690, 1oz pellet slug,36grn Longshot, piston light skeet wad, roll crimp in a 2 3/4" hull (another proven go to).
@@Kinetic.44 I have a svarog botfly that does the same thing. I haven't killed anything with em yet but they're very accurate and I'm waiting for that big sumbich bear to come a bothering this year again.
Slugs work just fine through my fixed modified 870. Cloverleaf groups at 50 yds. Only bad part is it’s a 28 inch barrel. Not exactly a brush gun. Rifled or Foster slugs are hollow base and work fine. Probably not a good idea through a Turkey choke though.
I imagine you could slightly anneal your (removable) choke and run a couple slugs through it, heat/quench/temper (easy but not simple), run a mandrel through it from the rear a couple times, fire five and retemper. Custom slug choke completed.... if you didn't mess up.
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoorsthin barrels spook me with chokes in general. They're not even reliable with integral choke taper, any easily acquired dents just stack and turn a 30 yard gun into a 15.
I was at this point to with a SHTF set up in a 10 round mag state, look up Cross industries cross mags, they fit all 30 round mag holders and pouches and give you the benefit of having fast reloads
Tengo una Benelli 121 de cincuenta años y no tiene ni una sola interrupción con cartuchos de 28gr o más, carga 4+1 y cañón de 71 cm. Funciona como el primer día. Las venden por 200€ en España. Son muy apreciadas
I've got Citadel Warthog with a 3 round benelli Nova extension on it, making it 7+1 =8 shot. It runs just as good as the Benelli and Beretta. The Dickinson 212T semiautomatic shotgun is a very smooth shooting inertia driven shot gun even though it is only 4+1=5. Good video.
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors they're a game changer for sure. I went with mag-na-port for my gun. Same service: Lengthened forcing cone and porting. I recommend it just for the reduction in recoil. That and push-pull, you can run the gun as fast as you can and actually make good hits. It's awesome.
I love me a shotgun!! Like yoy said, several times, shotgun is limited. A shotgun is a fat little pig that stays hungry and slow to reload, but when Piglet connects, it makes a mess. But if we were going to war, it would be a rifle, all the way. My first time seeing your video, pretty good, guys. Had a robbery once, guys dressed up like Burger King employees and were still on the scene. Had it not been for the presence of the shotgun, it could have been ugly for a couple of officers. Stay safe and remember the cut load if birdshot is all you have. It's netter than just birdshot.
I Rock a Stoeger 12 gauge side by side with 26 inch barrel. That's my food in the pot gun. I wanted a Shotty with low maintenance and easy cleaning in the field. With modified chokes, i can bring down any animal at 40 yards. And I can run black powder hand loads though it as well, something a pump won't cycle well.
I love shotguns so much that i bought a couple of mag fed semi auto bullpups. Love'em. Takes 5 or 10 round mags and i also have a 20 round drum. They arent much longer than a shockwave.
You can, idk if your specifically talking about magazine fed shotguns too like a Saiga or several other models but we should have addressed it. Magazine based shotguns can have some reliability issues based on ammo and carrying the mags can be hectic when they are 3X larger than an AR mag, still a good potential though.
Extended mags have a piece on the inside that needs grinded down for the longer spring.Slugs are a game changer .I wouldn't use bird shot to defend my home but I do like to know what no.2 or no.3 steel or other non toxic loads can do.Good video guys. Hope you have updates to it.
8:39 (reference bird shot) and the rise of drone useage and defense against them under certain circumstances/conditions. So, Bird shot is good for smaller game animals, birds etc., drones, and target shooting.
I got big ass bears at my off grid cabin some of these black bears are at 400 lbs or more they like to come around at night I have solar lighting on the porch and I’ve got a 12 ga pump hanging above my front door loaded with 2 ends of no. 7 1/2 the other 7 are staggered slugs and 00 buckshot my cabin is in a wma I have 2 acres and young grand kids so there y’all are they have there purpose and they do it very well lol !!!!
I have used # 4 buck. I have a concern with its under penetration. I had a coyote at about 15-20 yards and a federal 3 inch magnum #4 load. When I shot the load gravely wounded the coyote, (light animal) but I had to follow up with a 00 buck. I don’t trust #4 since then
Easier to reload and can use black powder if you can make it, not so much the auto loader so problem is refurbishing the primer, they used to do it with strike anywhere matches is why they took it off the market it's hard to get the caps for black, All by design ⁉️☠️👿
Flat spots on 00 Buck causes them to fly. We would pattern our shotguns so if a hostage situation, I could take out the bad guy and not harm the hostage. That was my Rem.1100 I built specifically for competition. Pattern your shotgun or do not use it for self defense as you run the risk of fliers catching an innocent.
Well... in SHTF bird load/field load can be made effective but requires a single/double barrel as anything other than a breach loader risks malfunction. Making wax slugs or cut shells from field load is fairly easy and pretty effective essentially making them a makeshift slug. So again they can be made effective in a pinch if that's all you have left.
@@woodman1701 The hard side saddles are outdated and often require permanent gunsmithing and modification to your shotgun that can damage reliability. Another thing about them is the plastic shell holders will wear out with actual use, so then you’ll have to do more gunsmithing vs the Esstac or other soft system obviously can wear out but it’s a throw it away and get another and they are cheap which require No gunsmithing, also they do not potentially ruin your shotgun’s reliability. Finally with the soft ones as you use your rounds up you can slap another soft one on the side, having more shells at the ready while you can’t with a hard side saddle.
Double barrel would be ideal for a ambush on a single target. Each barrel has a different choke optimized for given distance or pattern size, you can have slug in one barrel and buckshot in the other as well.
A shotgun in SHTF is really more suited to a survivalist. I don't think it's the best gun for a Prepper. So, if I live in the country or in a more rural area, I think a shotgun is a great "go-to" gun to do it all. If you are in the urban or suburban area, you need a rifle. But if I'm in the country at my farm, I'm gonna set down the rifle and pick up the shotgun because it's good for most applications.
Shotguns are used by military and police in urban settings all the time, the main thing is people constantly think of this line wolf one man army and in that scenario shotguns are extremely limited. But in conjunction with a squad of guys shotguns can be very useful. It’s all being part of a team
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors Yeah, well I don't plan on clearing buildings in an urban setting. I will hunker down in my suburban house or bug out to my farm. So, I'm not going to join some militia either. I have some family members that are planning together but we are not an offensive unit. Strictly self defense and gray man mindset.
@@rotadyma really that’s mostly me. I work with guys in my area. Here’s the thing I even say in the video I’m mostly a rifle guy. I will always have a rifle. This video is just for if your going shotgunner
I have both 1301 gen3 mod 2 LTT and 590A1. But have to disagree with you on shooting speed my 1301 can do a full mag dump ghost load with 9 shells in just over 2 sec. That’s 81 33cal.or 8.3mm rounds coming down range in just over 2sec! My 590A1 will never match that rate speed.
Couldnt a great example of a shtf scenario be like the hurricane that just hit Florida right now. You two should make a video about something like that.
If you live in a trailer like alot of people do in the south, Magnum #2 waterfowl load is perfectly adequate to protect yourself and not over penetrate.
The old Remmy 1100 and 870 in 12 ga. will get er done well within 30 yards for most home defense will be less than 15 yards at best using 00 buck can't go wrong !!
The 1100 isn’t a bad shotgun at all. Have you tried buckshot out at range? Me and my twin bro has get decent hits out to nearly 100 yards with the right load. Regardless thanks for watching
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors No I have'nt done that much testing at distance but I've got two 1100's rigged with the Carlson's 10 + 1 rds extension tube and my 870 rigged with a Carlson's 7 + 1 extension tube and all I can say is WOW for their close quarters action and the good part about it I could hunt with them also if I had too and some people would say them guns are too heavy for it don't bother me for I like the xtra weight on those old shotguns and I love the reliability is what counts !!
Living in NAZI state, at best my choices are bow and arrow. I may get access to a shotgun in early days, but like you said, get hit by a decent shotgun round and you have a very bad day. This would be reserved for if I have a need to get armed with other types of weapons, getting them off of enemies or the dead by using brain matter is my strategy.
Best bet is to get as good as ya can with what you got. Hell if all you got is a bow, pair it with a good blade and prolly better armed than a lot of people. Physically and mentally fitness will be key
Probably best to stay incognito to them. Best with cover but some materials don’t pick up well with thermal either. But for small drones I would say (using Ukraine conflict as example) that a shotgun with a heavier shot birdload would take down a small drone.
I was a Marine Infantry Rifleman, one of my deployments was the Second Battle of Fallujah for house to house combat against meth and opiate fueled jihadist insurgents, that scatter gun did its job flawlessly
Awesome stuff buddy and Semper Fi. I was a 0341 Marine Infantry Mortarman myself
Though limited I believe the scattergun has a place even in modern combat.
Yes u are correct. I have a coach gun , winchester no 4 buck, 54 angry hornets in a couple of secs, must hit something.@@Kennerd007
Was the enemy typically on meth or opiates, or both at the same time?
AMEN
I use a dump pounch for extra shells
My twin brother does that. My shotgun system isn’t as refined as his. I’m more of a rifle guy admittedly
I doo about 50% or more of my training with shotguns. When you are limited to 5 rounds in your rifles you can get your shotgun in battery so much quicker. A determined man can do a hell of a lot with a 12 gauge pump and a couple big ass knives than most people think.
We mention that, in a lot of places a shotgun is the best you can get. Train with what you have
Greetings from Canadastan, love your channel. @@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors
@@highbrass7777 I appreciate it, thank you
Main motto for running a shotgun.
If youre not shooting, youre reloading.
Stock up on snap caps for non-live practice isnt a bad idea as well
I agree, always get a lot of practice in for any weapon your using
Advantage #1 Throws a lot of lead...3" shell of # 4 buck throws 41 (24 cal. ) bullets with one pull of the trigger #2 Can take out more than one person with each pull of the trigger. #3 Versatile Different size of projectiles for hunting and self defense......Get a shotgun with choke tubes... Some Bird loads BB - #4 (especially in Tungsten ) will kill a human quickly out to 30 yards. Tungsten is 40 percent denser then lead. I have the best pattern load with a full choke, Mossberg 500, Federal 000 buck....at 40 - 45 yards all 8 pellets hit a man size target. Thanks for the video
Thank you
I grew up on a farm and we used number 5 shot for everything except a slug for deer. My father bought a Harrington Richardson single barrel 12 gauge for $4 in 1932. It never failed him in his life and my brother is still using it today.
That’s cool.
Very good! There’s many of those non-tactical shotguns out there that strike the same blow and are every bit as effective.
The simplicity, but I kind of like a double barrel instead of just a single barrel I like to have that extra barrel that that second shot
Shotguns are like fat girls; you gotta constantly feed them.
😂😂
Maybe so, but fat girls keep you warm too.
Shot guns are a versatile weapons system, just keep in mind their range limitations and bulk of ammunition.
We pretty much explain that in detail through the video
Facts that can't be emphasized enough@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors
My go to shtf......hunt and defend that's what I need
Great video guys, can't go wrong with shotgun, of any kind, God bless!
God bless, thank you
the hell you can't. It wont pierce soft armor and buckshot wont pierce ONE sidewall of a tire, windshield or car door beyond 10m and wont do so at 5m if the angle of the shot is much less than 90 degrees. The shotshells are heavy, bulky, fragile, expensive, awkward to carry , slow to reload. TRY getting 7 hits per second with a pump 12 and buck shot like Micelek can do with an AR, and the autorifle can be SILENCED, with subsonic ammo. You cant take down conceal the shotgun, nor use it effectively with one arm. Given a riot barrel and normal 00 buck, there's head and shoulder sized holes in the pattern at a mere 30m, so you can be centered on a cover-user and never touch him, Ditto if he's head on prone to you and wearing a helmet. NOBODY is much good with $1+ per shot 12 ga slugs. If you were inclined to spend that much money, youd have a silenced AR with a 22 unit, saving you $1 per shot. You have no intention of using slugs swiftly, I know that cause if you were, youd use the rifle instead. Your blasts will call in every enemy within a mile radius and tha'ts likely to be dozens of them. Anyone can tell the difference between a shotgun blast and a rifle's crack. It says "I'm right here and I"m stupid/easy pickings"
Federal Flight Control
12ga, 00-Buck, 8/9 Pellet,
BEST Shotgun Ammo EVER !!!
I agree it’s good stuff
Birdshot is good for drones. Only in SHTF. Otherwise, it's a federal offense.
Agreed. We prefaced this as a LARP/SHTF scenario and I think we did mention birdshot for drones, like a heavier load
H&R pardner pump is a formidable opponent and a great price tag. If you can find one at this point anymore.
I have ran a 930 JM mossberg, 1500+ rounds testing
It’s a decent shotgun.
Watching the Ukrainian conflict and the use of all the small personal drones, shotguns may have a new purpose in the modern world. Thanks for the vid!
I agree. Thank you
It’s unbeatable for ending the fight quickly!👊🏼
For sure! Shotguns are devastating! Thanks for watching buddy!
@kevinhart46 we cover and talk about rifles. Generally I’m going with a Rifle. Shotguns just has a role and that’s what we explain on this video
All the gun you need to kill anything in North America. 12 Gauge ammo is heavy if you have to move from one location to another frequently on foot. Easier to carry 500 plus 22LR rounds if you have a Ruger 10/22 carbine for small game hunting and survival.
@@robertonavarro7713 not gonna argue that but the fantasy bugout thing isn’t what we’re discussing. This would be a more community defensive/offensive weapon
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors OK
It can get you food and stop food from being taken from you .
Yüs
TFB TV gave me a great pointer for a reloading source , a good ol Fanny pack works amazing after running dry , I found it super fast and easy more so than my estac cards .
I’ve found some people makes that works good too
Tubes for single barrel and Double tube kits to shoot 22 lr 223 38 357 45 9mm and many more so you can shoot any kind Caliber out of shot gun also back power kit in your single break barrel 209 Primer adapter make all kinds of black powder too with the tubes Inserts for different types of ammunition. Good video.
Hey thank you. Idk my thoughts one the barrel tubes for multiple calibers. Could be useful for sure if your limited to one or few guns
"Sorry, there was a hornet...had to kill it" 😂
Haha damn straight
Picked up the new A300 Ultima. It’s changed the game for me just under 1k. Completely set up and ready to roll
I’ve been eying that one for a hot minute
It's one of a handful of auto shotguns I would go with
I didn't like the stock fit and recoil, I could outrun the trigger by the third string of fire. Recoil is subjective but speed isn't. Everything else felt good and the tiger stripe was excellent, I wanted to like it, I think the stock and trigger hold them back. Lots of aftermarket stocks but what triggers get that reset to keep up with the action?
@@nobodyspecial1852 yeah, I’d have to try one personally before I can voice an opinion
Excellent video guys! great points about the pros and cons of a shotgun
Thank you
19:26 very educational! Not overkill. Thank you both!
Thank you buddy! Glad you enjoyed it
What u think about the Mossberg Maverick 88.. basically same as a 500 just different safety and some mexican parts..i like em
I recommend them. If you can get the 500/590 get it just bc you can change out the furniture easier and I prefer the safety on it. But there’s no qualms to a maverick 88. They’re still built good and reliable. Just recommended a guy to get a maverick 88 and PSA Dagger. He got both for $500. Nice setup to get you in
Your brother there has all the mods I envision for my Remington 870. Awesome video.
Thank you. His profile is Kennerd007 in the comments. He can answer shotgun stuff better than I can
Yep. gG&G has some good stuff for the 870 or 500. It’s what I use for the sling mount and light mount. Adhesive Velcro for the esstac Velcro cards. And hogue short LOP stock. Most shotgun stocks are way too long
Hey brother where did you get the shotty chest rig? Thanks so much
@@sodakhilljack7147 I think it’s a simple condor rig that I just attached shotshell Molle stuff too
I am currently saving for a Mossberg 590 S. Reason being is that I can shoot mini shells with it too, but without an adapter. I know I’d lose the adapter anyway.
The 590 is my personal favorite. I don’t use the mini shells, I think they cost too much for what they are, that said it’s a cool concept
The adapter should hold up but what if? I don't trust them either, and the "S" series *should be* better for ALL shells aside from the specific mini shell need.
I really just need to get a 20 guage shockwave, no gimmicks there, all loads are reduced loads relatively.
@@nobodyspecial1852 I want to get a shockwave. I think they would be fun. Or the Tac 14.
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors TAC-14: AFAIK they were reliable but not that many in circulation before Remington folded. Being able to one hand before reloads is huge, makes a (soft/3A) shield workable (racking a pump off a shield isn't great, you're set-up for jams and you need a bumper customized to grab with your slide assembly) without a buddy, actually usable for home defense.
How does the recoil feel one handing a TAC-14 though? A fullsize 590A1 with a raptor grip isn't bad, actual shockwaves are 2-3 pounds lighter, a tac is about the same but the gas system timing is a wildcard.... you know what you need to do.
I'm a left handed OLD GUY. I use my Browning BPS with a skeet choke. It's been my baby for 40 years now. So running it is pretty much reflexive, without thought.... When I have the 1301, I need it in my visual workspace.
The 1301 is a nice shotgun
Torn between a 12ga or a 22lr for my first fire arm. I’m a big fella, about 6 foot and 2 feet across the shoulders so recoil is not much of a concern but the amount of ammo one can reasonably carry is a concern when stacked against somthing more ergonomic like the 22lr.
Thoughts on the subject?
@@ghostwriter1440 I think a 22 should almost be everyone’s first pew pew. Next a good carry pistol you can have on your person and get lots of ammo and training.
Then eventually a rifle and have rigs from there
I highly advocate for the shotgun, BUT for my first gun I’d tell you to get the 22lr rifle. Then when you can get a 9mm pistol that you can edc and carry daily. After those two then I’d look at a rifle or shotgun
No pistols for civilians anymore here in Canada land
@@ghostwriter1440 I think there needs to be an operation Maple eagle
Not sure what that means but it sounds cool and I’d like to allowed to buy a glock or somthing.
i have that tactiload stock and i love it!
It’s a cool concept
1 hornet was hurt during the making of this film
No body likes hornets anyways
Great video! What kind of shell saddle do you have attached to that magpul stock?
@@joejohnson3145 I honestly can’t remember, I’m sorry that’s not helpful but I found it on and it’s American made but I can’t find the brand
Birdshot at 1-5 meters is absolutely lethal.
We didn’t say it wasn’t. Just shit performance
Also you want to be that close to an assailant
Watching the news has got me casting 2 days a week and reloading the other 5. Last week i did 12g foster and pellet slugs, this week it's 00 buckshot. I went ahead and ordered a new mold for shits and grins. A .730 caliber pellet slug weighing in at 1 3/8oz in pure lead. I'll put em in 3"chedditte clear hulls with 30gr Longshot, bpi brushwad, nitro card, slug, roll crimp. Basically the Same recipe for 00 buck with a clear overshot card. If that big pellet slug works out I'll put that in my chest rig and replace the smaller .690, 1oz pellet slug,36grn Longshot, piston light skeet wad, roll crimp in a 2 3/4" hull (another proven go to).
Have you seen the twister slugs? That's some serious anti personnel medicine you can cast yourself.
@@Kinetic.44 I have a svarog botfly that does the same thing. I haven't killed anything with em yet but they're very accurate and I'm waiting for that big sumbich bear to come a bothering this year again.
Slugs work just fine through my fixed modified 870. Cloverleaf groups at 50 yds. Only bad part is it’s a 28 inch barrel. Not exactly a brush gun. Rifled or Foster slugs are hollow base and work fine. Probably not a good idea through a Turkey choke though.
I’ve done it before but it’s not ideal and can be hard on your barrel.
I imagine you could slightly anneal your (removable) choke and run a couple slugs through it, heat/quench/temper (easy but not simple), run a mandrel through it from the rear a couple times, fire five and retemper. Custom slug choke completed.... if you didn't mess up.
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoorsthin barrels spook me with chokes in general. They're not even reliable with integral choke taper, any easily acquired dents just stack and turn a 30 yard gun into a 15.
@@nobodyspecial1852 I agree, chokes should be mainly for hunting
Thank you for the information of an 870 Wingmaster with a modified barrel, using foster slugs at 50 yards
Thanks. I was looking for vids of SHTF shotguns setups. Life is rough in 10 round mag states, seriously limiting your ammo capacity.
I get it buddy. A shotgun and maybe even consider a Mossberg mvp or Ruger American ranch too
I was at this point to with a SHTF set up in a 10 round mag state, look up Cross industries cross mags, they fit all 30 round mag holders and pouches and give you the benefit of having fast reloads
MOVE! Why live under communism?
If you live in a trailer like alot of people in Florida, birdshot is most optimal to use. But, you use magnum #2 waterfowl shot not cheap #8 shot
Really enjoyed the video
Hey thank you. I’m glad you enjoyed it
Thank you very informative .
Thank you
Tengo una Benelli 121 de cincuenta años y no tiene ni una sola interrupción con cartuchos de 28gr o más, carga 4+1 y cañón de 71 cm. Funciona como el primer día. Las venden por 200€ en España. Son muy apreciadas
BOOM! "Sorry there was a hornet." Buahahaha!! First time here, subbed just for that!
Haha thank you
I've got Citadel Warthog with a 3 round benelli Nova extension on it, making it 7+1 =8 shot. It runs just as good as the Benelli and Beretta. The Dickinson 212T semiautomatic shotgun is a very smooth shooting inertia driven shot gun even though it is only 4+1=5. Good video.
That’s cool
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors Thank you for responding.
Just as guud huh😂😂
@@Darthdoodoo Yep, just as good. Thank you for responding.
It's no where near as good as a benelli or beretta
Any experience with Vang Comp guns?
My brother does. I don’t personally. I know they are supposed to really tighten your pattern up
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors they're a game changer for sure. I went with mag-na-port for my gun. Same service: Lengthened forcing cone and porting. I recommend it just for the reduction in recoil. That and push-pull, you can run the gun as fast as you can and actually make good hits. It's awesome.
Getting the Vang on my Bang is one my to do list
Funny shotgun video I freaking love my shotguns.
Thank you, glad you enjoy
I wanna see a video on your brothers large pouch for shot shells, how any does it hold?
@@Rockstar6111 if it’s the one I think you’re talking about I think it holds a whole box of shells so 25 rounds
I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who does the inglorious bastards 3 with their hands. Just discovered your channel I'm liking it so far
Glad you like it, thank you!!
The FN SLP is one of the best on the market! Highly underrated
It is, I used one before. We did say a few we may not have mentioned
Just bought me a Linberta Tactical shotgun, it's cheap but seems to run great.
Thanks for watching. I never heard of it
@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors it's basically a poor man's Benelli. Doesn't have all the bells and Whistles.
Count your rounds. Top off load. Don't run the shotgun dry.
Do that the best you can
Dude, there’s two of you! I don’t know why I find that amusing, but I do.😊
Double trouble lol
Why dont you upgrade to a semi auto like the moss 940 pro tac?
We have a whole segment where we talk about semi autos
Oh sorry about that. Yeah, I came across your vid real quick and just had to comment, but, Awesome vid, Awesome work. Keep up the good work.
Daaaaaaang, awesome video!
Thank you!! I tried putting some work into this.
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors I can tell, lol Joe Biden special had me dead
I love me a shotgun!! Like yoy said, several times, shotgun is limited. A shotgun is a fat little pig that stays hungry and slow to reload, but when Piglet connects, it makes a mess.
But if we were going to war, it would be a rifle, all the way.
My first time seeing your video, pretty good, guys.
Had a robbery once, guys dressed up like Burger King employees and were still on the scene. Had it not been for the presence of the shotgun, it could have been ugly for a couple of officers.
Stay safe and remember the cut load if birdshot is all you have. It's netter than just birdshot.
I agree, thank you for watching buddy
I Rock a Stoeger 12 gauge side by side with 26 inch barrel. That's my food in the pot gun. I wanted a Shotty with low maintenance and easy cleaning in the field. With modified chokes, i can bring down any animal at 40 yards. And I can run black powder hand loads though it as well, something a pump won't cycle well.
@@loren-zen-way7699 cool
Point the double barrel down when reloading😊
My twin brother hardly has used a double barrel before. Thanks for watching
Yea I was so used to indexing the gun upwards for reloading. Can tell I don’t have or use a double barrel much
Hell yeah my Shoty is my go to for shtf. what State y'all in? Illinois here.
Missouri, sorry your behind enemy lines
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors We make do, and we don't comply.
@@Regularcitizen1
That's WHY U Live In A
DEMO-RATIC Ran State...
I love shotguns so much that i bought a couple of mag fed semi auto bullpups. Love'em. Takes 5 or 10 round mags and i also have a 20 round drum. They arent much longer than a shockwave.
Some of those are kind of cool
Some shot guns you can get an extended mag 8-10 rounds.
You can, idk if your specifically talking about magazine fed shotguns too like a Saiga or several other models but we should have addressed it. Magazine based shotguns can have some reliability issues based on ammo and carrying the mags can be hectic when they are 3X larger than an AR mag, still a good potential though.
Extended mags have a piece on the inside that needs grinded down for the longer spring.Slugs are a game changer .I wouldn't use bird shot to defend my home but I do like to know what no.2 or no.3 steel or other non toxic loads can do.Good video guys. Hope you have updates to it.
My VR80 runs excellent with any round I've put through it.
well i am a shotgun guy up here in northern Ontario
Awesome !!
This was informative. Subbed.
Thanks for the sub!
Liked the jump at 19:36!! HILARIOUS!!
Haha thank you
8:39 (reference bird shot) and the rise of drone useage and defense against them under certain circumstances/conditions.
So, Bird shot is good for smaller game animals, birds etc., drones, and target shooting.
@@johnw4999 I’m pretty sure we mentioned that in the video.
You had me at "Joe BIden special". ROFL
haha thank you, glad you enjoyed the video
I got big ass bears at my off grid cabin some of these black bears are at 400 lbs or more they like to come around at night I have solar lighting on the porch and I’ve got a 12 ga pump hanging above my front door loaded with 2 ends of no. 7 1/2 the other 7 are staggered slugs and 00 buckshot my cabin is in a wma I have 2 acres and young grand kids so there y’all are they have there purpose and they do it very well lol !!!!
I don’t think we ever said birdshot doesn’t have a purpose. We said they are silly for self defense when your life depends on it.
Fed flight control buck #1
Good load
You seen the #4 buck? It's scary how tight it patterns.
I have used # 4 buck. I have a concern with its under penetration.
I had a coyote at about 15-20 yards and a federal 3 inch magnum #4 load. When I shot the load gravely wounded the coyote, (light animal) but I had to follow up with a 00 buck. I don’t trust #4 since then
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors you ever tried the TSS for predators?
@@tylerzmistowski5867 I’m not sure what you’re talking about. All that being said, I generally use rifles a lot more than I do shotguns
I will choose my ksg-12, 15 2 3/4 or 23 mini slugs.
Damn I love shotguns! I know they may not be the best for every situation but it’s my favorite weapon.
@@leogolive it’s a good weapons with training and skill
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors I gotta get me one of those plate carriers with Velcro shell holders that’s pretty slick!
Awesome video
Thank you buddy
One question, which one do you prefer to be in front of?
What kind of question is that
Easier to reload and can use black powder if you can make it, not so much the auto loader so problem is refurbishing the primer, they used to do it with strike anywhere matches is why they took it off the market it's hard to get the caps for black, All by design ⁉️☠️👿
What about a 100 year old Model 11... You think it'd be a good option?!
It would win in coolness alone
The 930 works pretty good
I’m pretty sure we mention it
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors actually the 940 was mentioned 😉😁
But… but… Brandon said a side-by-side, “fire two blasts in the air;” and… “that’s all you need!”
Haha yep
Noce shooting mane! Its timr to grt the nova out and cleaned up and i agree they are important tools if shtf
The nova is a awesome shotgun
Flat spots on 00 Buck causes them to fly. We would pattern our shotguns so if a hostage situation, I could take out the bad guy and not harm the hostage.
That was my Rem.1100 I built specifically for competition.
Pattern your shotgun or do not use it for self defense as you run the risk of fliers catching an innocent.
Exactly, you should know how your shotgun patterns for sure
14:15 mark in this video said it best!
Tell Kevin Bacon that the dou le barrel isnt good for combat.
Double barrels were outdated in 1897. Damn I want a trench shotgun
Well... in SHTF bird load/field load can be made effective but requires a single/double barrel as anything other than a breach loader risks malfunction. Making wax slugs or cut shells from field load is fairly easy and pretty effective essentially making them a makeshift slug. So again they can be made effective in a pinch if that's all you have left.
Guy on the right: Your plate carrier is riding about 3 inches too low. Also, Mossberg 930 or 940 SPX are kings. Run high brass and no problem
It’s a cheap carrier I don’t use other than a quick shotgun rig.
I think we mentioned the 930/940 but they are decent
I have the 930 and it is a field artillery piece!
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors
My Mossberg 930 hasn't failed me yet
We mentioned the Mossberg 940/930 in our video as a decent semi auto
Idea if you have side arm with opin carry . You can swop between them as needed do longer shot or need reload.
I think my brother mentioned that or he did and I edited it out because it was like a 5-10 min segment
Yea running rifle is debatable if you need a pistol. Shotgun is mandatory to run a pistol. In this video I was rocking out the Glock 17L
I got a stevens 320 security 12 ga cheap but it gets the job done
Nothing wrong with that
I have been upgrading my three shotguns and I’m not sure if I should get that Mesa Tactical side saddle. Been hearing some bad things about it.
I would NOT get any fixed side saddle, get the Velcro ones. Esstac makes the best ones I’ve found.
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors thanks. I’m gonna look em up.
@@outerspaceman7534 he had them in out video, my twin bro was running them a lot
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors
What’s wrong with hard side saddles? (Besides being able to carry more of the soft ones in AR pouches).
@@woodman1701 The hard side saddles are outdated and often require permanent gunsmithing and modification to your shotgun that can damage reliability. Another thing about them is the plastic shell holders will wear out with actual use, so then you’ll have to do more gunsmithing vs the Esstac or other soft system obviously can wear out but it’s a throw it away and get another and they are cheap which require No gunsmithing, also they do not potentially ruin your shotgun’s reliability. Finally with the soft ones as you use your rounds up you can slap another soft one on the side, having more shells at the ready while you can’t with a hard side saddle.
I guess I am showing off then. I am kidding but for real M1014 checking in. 😂 My pump is a SuperNova Tactical. Keeping it all in the Benelli family.
Well done !!!
Hey thank you
Double barrel would be ideal for a ambush on a single target. Each barrel has a different choke optimized for given distance or pattern size, you can have slug in one barrel and buckshot in the other as well.
Great insight 🙏🏻👍🏻
Glad it was helpful!
My biggest issue is that shells are exposed to the elements and that shells are by nature less protected than bullets
There is a lot of variables and circumstances there. And.
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors yea exactly that is the problem
I've shot shells that fell into a creek you'll be fine
A shotgun in SHTF is really more suited to a survivalist. I don't think it's the best gun for a Prepper. So, if I live in the country or in a more rural area, I think a shotgun is a great "go-to" gun to do it all. If you are in the urban or suburban area, you need a rifle. But if I'm in the country at my farm, I'm gonna set down the rifle and pick up the shotgun because it's good for most applications.
Shotguns are used by military and police in urban settings all the time, the main thing is people constantly think of this line wolf one man army and in that scenario shotguns are extremely limited. But in conjunction with a squad of guys shotguns can be very useful. It’s all being part of a team
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors Yeah, well I don't plan on clearing buildings in an urban setting. I will hunker down in my suburban house or bug out to my farm. So, I'm not going to join some militia either. I have some family members that are planning together but we are not an offensive unit. Strictly self defense and gray man mindset.
@@rotadyma really that’s mostly me. I work with guys in my area. Here’s the thing I even say in the video I’m mostly a rifle guy. I will always have a rifle. This video is just for if your going shotgunner
I have both 1301 gen3 mod 2 LTT and 590A1. But have to disagree with you on shooting speed my 1301 can do a full mag dump ghost load with 9 shells in just over 2 sec. That’s 81 33cal.or 8.3mm rounds coming down range in just over 2sec! My 590A1 will never match that rate speed.
@@TheDavcrz5 cool
It’s said that if you start running a shotgun in real life DOOM music will drop
For sure
Couldnt a great example of a shtf scenario be like the hurricane that just hit Florida right now. You two should make a video about something like that.
@@dirrrtydawg9772 I should
If you live in a trailer like alot of people do in the south, Magnum #2 waterfowl load is perfectly adequate to protect yourself and not over penetrate.
The old Remmy 1100 and 870 in 12 ga. will get er done well within 30 yards for most home defense will be less than 15 yards at best using 00 buck can't go wrong !!
The 1100 isn’t a bad shotgun at all.
Have you tried buckshot out at range? Me and my twin bro has get decent hits out to nearly 100 yards with the right load. Regardless thanks for watching
@@thelasthuntsmanoutdoors No I have'nt done that much testing at distance but I've got two 1100's rigged with the Carlson's 10 + 1 rds extension tube and my 870 rigged with a Carlson's 7 + 1 extension tube and all I can say is WOW for their close quarters action and the good part about it I could hunt with them also if I had too and some people would say them guns are too heavy for it don't bother me for I like the xtra weight on those old shotguns and I love the reliability is what counts !!
Gotta use them wammy shells from dukes of hazard lmao 😂
I’m not sure what your talking about lol. Might have to look it up
Living in NAZI state, at best my choices are bow and arrow. I may get access to a shotgun in early days, but like you said, get hit by a decent shotgun round and you have a very bad day.
This would be reserved for if I have a need to get armed with other types of weapons, getting them off of enemies or the dead by using brain matter is my strategy.
Gotta do all you can
Best bet is to get as good as ya can with what you got. Hell if all you got is a bow, pair it with a good blade and prolly better armed than a lot of people. Physically and mentally fitness will be key
Speaking in 2023/4 can you think of anyways of removing aerial objects, aka "Drones"????
Not legally with civilian weaponry unless if they are small drones and in a larking scenario with say a red dawn
Probably best to stay incognito to them. Best with cover but some materials don’t pick up well with thermal either. But for small drones I would say (using Ukraine conflict as example) that a shotgun with a heavier shot birdload would take down a small drone.
Cool
I have 80rds in my shotgun load out.
I use a fanny pack 70 plus rounds
@@bobg3633 fanny packs not a bad way to go for a shotgun, especially