The SECRET to Painting White AND Black??
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 12 มี.ค. 2020
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Sometimes miniature painters complain about painting specific colors. Often times, those colors are things like yellow, or white. I believe that white and black are among the most difficult colors to paint, but at the core of it, understanding how to paint them is summed up in one topic that we explore in this video.
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Having someone immediately point out something they don't like about a recently finished work you are proud of is possibly the most relatable thing I have seen in one of your videos so far.
It's good to see you turn those feels into something productive!
Honestly, it hurts sometimes, but comments like that are super important for fixing mistakes you might not know you're making!
I know Im randomly asking but does anyone know of a trick to get back into an Instagram account??
I was dumb forgot the login password. I appreciate any tips you can give me
Miniac: nothing in this world is pure white...
Me: i clap my hands when plane lands.
Miniac: except him.
Black and white in the real world are a pigment of your imagination. (Not my own joke, but this video is just to0 perfect to not steal it)
God
i dont know about my face but i can tell you my underwear is no longer pure white after a flight..
🤣
The meme potential is strong in this one
Dude, bring on the nerdiness I'm all for it!
You are like the Alton Brown of mini painting. I love it!
I agree with this notion entirely. Well done.
You are the baking with babish of commenting
"... Pink." OMG, I'm still laughing. I've been there. One of my first minis was a barbarian and I did his skin wayyyy too pale. To this day anyone that sees him asks if it's a zombie barbarian.
that and scotts reaction made me burst out laughing too
I just finished painting a Black Legion marine. My trick for painting all that black armor? Painted it a really dark metallic (Vallejo Magnesium) then heavy washed it with black oil paint.
For the highlights I cleaned the oil off with a Q-tip. Worked out amazingly, reads as black metal & looks kinda Grim Dark.
Karl O'Toole
Black Templar contrast paint over Ironbeaker does the same
Solid idea actually
@@ralex3697 Yea kinda. You can't work your transitions with contrast paints after they dry the same way as you can with oils though and I just like an excuse to break out my oil paints!
I think you've got the right approach with thte theory but the "value distribution" - or maybe value concentration (?) needs to be even more extreme. Your set of squares on the right still reads as pink to me, so I would concentrate those shade colours even more, or even finish with a lighter value.
Practically - I actually think you did white very well in your 'eavy metal marines SoB!
This is honestly one of the best videos you have produced, the quality of the content, the subject matter, the level of comedic/entertainment value, the engagement throughout and the simplicity with which it is conveyed was all stellar.
Thank you for going full time and providing such great content
New paint-cam angle? I like it!
Yeah, switched it up mid video because I've had it with my stupid head getting in the way.
@@Miniac Mouth cam, man... I'm telllin' ya
@@MidwinterMinis Impossible. Must lick brush.
That angle is better👌🏻
@@someonesusingmyname Brush lickers unite!
Thank you for always being so educational, positive, supportive, encouraging, and funny
The cleanliness of your chalkboard and the exquisite placement of the post it notes brought tears of joy to me eyes!
Oh, the content was great too🤣
I get my CC from Facebook and Discord groups. My wife only says, "Wow, that's great honey." or "Wow, look at all that detail. Great job honey" lol.
100% this!
my wife always says: "how much money did you spend this time on your stupid little plastic dolls to paint?"
i'm not allowed to talk about her collection of over 130 nail polishes though :(
paint a stupid plastic doll with her nail polish... perhaps try to find a model ofr something she might like first though XD
i was watching yesterday a video of yours talking about painting black and i was thinking that this is a topic deserving a video of its own! thanks for the great content, as always!
brilliant video. I've definitely subconsciously noticed this effect, but haven't been able to put those suspicions into words or even usable thoughts! THANK YOU!
God damn I felt your pain when she said pink hahaha
Hey Scott, I just wanted to say that your videos have seemed to be getting a lot better in quality, and I am enjoying them a lot more. Keep up the good work!
Man that's awesome. I'm definitely going to try this.
I miss this style of video. Love what you're doing with Trapped Under Plastic, but this kind of video is what brought me to your channel and made me a patron. More!
I would love more color theory type content like this. I really enjoy seeing the breaking down of concepts in this way and it helps me understand a lot better why certain paints may behave in a certain way or even to figure out how to manipulate my paints for a specific purpose.
Anyways, really enjoyed this video! Hope we can get more like it!
Definately helpful! Great video!
When you asked the your wife's opinion at the end I laughed so hard an employee came to the office to check on me.
The layering bit actually might help me figure out glow effects on miniatures, thanks!
Excellent explanation and it makes sense. I am struggling a bit with my layering and I have a lot of minis using light skin tones...so this was very helpful! Many thanks!
One of my fave tutorials of yours
Outstanding explanation!!
The ability to paint well is one thing. The ability to paint and also relay what it is that you are doing in simple and digestible ways is something else entirely. You're doing a great job! Keep at it!
Paraphrasing: "You may easily spot something that doesn't look right, but struggle with how to fix it." This is the theme of my painting life. :D Great vid, Scott. And no where near too nerdy. I love this stuff.
Great video-- love that you're touching on some more technical topics every now and then. I know you don't envision yourself as an "educational" channel, but I love your approach to these deep-dive videos and hope to see more!
Ahahaha the prancing when showing your finished mini, i can relate.
Loved it dude! Another great vid!
i love this nerdy painting theory banter!!
My wife has the same reactions... But it is actually quite helpful, she told me many times that my minis were dull, it was discouraging at first but now I push the contrasts and my minis look so much better!
Love those super technical episodes :D
This really helped me understand how to avoid running into that chalky effect whilst I was painting my Terminator Chaplain. With all of the previous miniatures I had painted I had never run into this issue and it was doing my head in, cheers keep up the great informative videos.
Vince Venturella talked about something similar in one of Hobby Cheating videos about painting black armor; the conclusion was that for something to look black, at least 60% of the surface has to be black meaning that you have a fairly small area for all your other highlights, which pretty much sounds like what you were saying. I would imagine that for white, and possibly other colors, that number or close to it is the "Goldilocks zone" you want to aim for; the larger the surface area covered by whatever color you want it to be, the more our eyes will perceive it as that color.
This is honestly my favorite video of yours lol.
LOL, "Pink?" that was friggin hilarious!
Just got my miniac sweatshirt today. Time tooooooo. PAINT MORE MINIS!!!!!
Great video!
let's get nerdy? We're watching a youtube channel about painting minatures... i think we're good on the nerdy front.
there's always more
@@Miniac i'm not sure my street rep can take much more...
Hahahaha
Yeah I didn't take the painting stuff as nerdy more as artistic. Went to an art school for college and we had tons of classes like this.
this was very helpful
I'm sitting here watching this vid and when I saw the thumbnail, and as you approach closer and closer to completion I thought one thing.
"It looks Pink".
Then I got to where you asked your wife and I lol'ed, paused and wrote this.
👍
I actually thought Scott was trying to paint pink. Why else would you put so much pink on a model if it's supposed to be white?
Oh cool, I've been doing what Hand of Glory has been to miniatures for quite some time. I also started digitally sculpting recently and making those part of my accessories was mandatory XD
Miniac my dude! Awesome videos
It was nice seeing you and your wife together! You two are super cute!
super helpful, thank you :)
Im just getting around to watching this video and like always: great content. Comment for the algorithm.
Also, that outro gave me a solid chuckle every time I replayed it.
'Gradient curve' would be another good term. Well done.
I’ve been slowly warming up to the idea of painting some white-armored minis, thanks for the perfect timing ;D Also the hands of glory sponsorship- I always wanted minis like that, especially for my skirmish games! Why do I find out about them just now :O
Mrs Miniac is awesome.
Thank you for another great video. May you recommend me a cutting mat?
I think a lot of these problems are inherent with all types of painting. Mini painters that want to up their game need to start shifting their mindset from being a miniature hobbyist to being an artist. If you can, be sure to read up on any classic forms of painting, be it anatomy or architecture, or anything in between. I read an article on MASSIVEVOODOO that completely rewired my brain because of a book recommendation: "Color & Light - A Guide For The Realist Painter" by James Gurney. If you're not familiar with him, he's also the author of "Dinotopia", and a very educated and philosophical artist. It's a long read, but like most artbooks it serves better as a tool to return to when you're struggling with an area or a topic in your art.
Thanks for these videos. I've very new to the hobby and find some of the things you talk about above my level but they plant seeds of observation and I beginning to understand the more I paint. I am having a very hard time understanding paint thinning. Do you have a video about it?
an effect i found works for me is basecoating (chaplain) skulls or maybe ghostly cloaks in black, and then giving it a very diluted glaze with white, pretty much only once or maybe twice... gives me a kinda smoked glass effect if i get it right, which is nice as it's own thing, and also gives a more interesting sublayer for contrast/speedpaints/washes than zenithal or just dry brushing, if i wanna go that route
Your chalkboard is awesome!
A zenithal prime, followed by a value sketch is probably more useful for figuring out where your shadows and highlights should be. Once I kicked out layering, I started to enjoy painting a whole lot more.
The very end of the video where you got a second opinion made me lol. Thank you!
God damnit, the outro bit gets me every time. Keep up the great work man.
Dude, very well done episode
One of my best pieces was a unicorn and it's all white. I'm very proud of it. This is a very important lesson to learn, great video
LMAO @ Mrs. Miniac! She's awesome.
Only Miniac would take VD to a whole new level!
Okay but does the concept of value distribution have further implications? I think you did a really great job!
That last part is super hilarious XD
Man i love the art lesson as well 100% on point as well, its never nerdy if its been implied for.every artist ever ... or maybe it is ;)
I feel like my wifes reaction is always like that. It’s good to have another person to look at and be critical of your work and make you try again...often I feel like settling for something less than what it could be.
My wife pushes me to get better...and I’m not where I’d like to be. So I appreciate her reactions even if at the time it’s disappointing to hear I didn’t achieve my goal...
How long did it take you to cut out those layer squares Scott? Procrastinating much?
ya video is nice and all. but when the dog put his head on the shoulder. I almost died with cuteness
Thank you, I have been struggling with this ... oh and don't worry I still will but this might just help.
This has helped me massively, one thing I've thought about is when painting a predominantly black mini, using an "off - black"? For the base rim to help define the true black on the mini.. Thoughts?
Dope AF.... subscribed
Most currently available white paints use Titanium White pigment. And most light colors use Ti White to get that lightness. In part this is because the tinting strength of Ti White is very, very high, and in part it's because Ti White is very opaque, so it doesn't take much to become very optically thick (opaque). So getting intermediate tones is hard.
Try Zinc White, which has much lower tinting strength and opacity. It can be easier to get fine tonal gradations when mixing in Zn White for lightening paint.
Brillant!
Your "Value Distribution" concept, after seeing it explained, is ridiculously simple and obvious. Beforehand... not so much. I'm sitting here "Uh-yut, that there is exactly what I've been doing wrong." Thanks for sharing your epiphany!
Nice tutorial Scott. How do we fix the chalkiness on the skin tones?
Great video!
I recall that Vince Venturella (Vinnie V., pls don't hate me Vince) made a video about painting black some time ago.
On another note: I know we can paint yellow mini (using airbrush) basecoating it pink, then zenithal bone color, next top highlighting white, finally glazing everything yellow. Can we do this with other colors? Like for example going for ligth green instead of pink, following other steps, and at the end glazing red? Would it work to turn green "brown-red-ish"? Something to test (I might be too lazy to do it :/ )
Hey Scott, traditional painter here: value proportion is important, but the reason an area might be reading as a light tint of a color, rather than white, is because your darker values are too saturated. If your halftones and shadows are an identifiable hue, that's the color an object is going to read as, no matter how light you get. The darker areas on a white object are always going to be relatively low in chroma (discounting the effects of colored light sources, which are a whole other level of complication). So, the darker values for white can be a warm gray, a cool gray, a purplish gray, a greenish gray, etc, but the "gray" aspect is always going to be stronger than the "color" aspect.
Also, if there is an appreciable color cast to your shadows (or lights!) on a white object, then ALL your shadows will have some of the same color cast, because that color is coming from the ambient light in the surroundings.
Thanks for posting this! This came out just as I was about to paint Gandalf the WHITE.
Great video (as always) I was thinking about what you were saying about the 'chalkiness' of light colours particularly white. I think you're right that it does have to do with not getting full opacity and therefore needing more layers. But do you also think its due to a combination of this and that the lightest colours (particularly whites) need compounds which tend to produce larger particle sizes in the paint. Assuming we load a brush with a similar mass of paint for any colour, the number of particles for white (compared with a dark colour, say black) will be fewer because each particle is larger. Thinning too much really cuts down the number of particles and so if we apply this too thinly to a surface and we will start to see the discrete particles rather than the continuum of smaller particles which makes up darker colours. We read that as 'chalky'. Not sure there is much of a way round it other than many many layers. On a giant scale its kind of like getting a big brush and painting a surface with watery sand compared to fine silty mud (something of course we do all the time?!), the silty mud would more likely cover the surface than the sand. Probably getting too nerdy now, but did that make any sense?
Awesome video as always! @7:42 missed a solid point to make fun of yourself, slightly disappointing. It's what i come here for
Lol that ending
So relatable.... But yet
So frustrating....
Best channel ever
Love it
Doctor Faust painting clinic has a really good tutorial on painting warm white, cool white and black!
I’m new to your channel and I’ve already come away with a lot of information and techniques but I’m curious if you plan on making any miniak merch shirts hats so on?
Your wife is MVP. Always enjoy her cameos in the videos lol
Thank you.
I think a very, VERY, transparent white wash might be the final key to painting white. The white wash would leave white consistently over all of the white areas while keeping the shading.
You’re a woot. Thanks for the nerd out, appreciated
I think its more a problem of attempting to get a white skin tone with presumed blood flow(red base) it will always look pink.Since as you mentioned white is more translucent even full coverage is not really 100% there will always be some of the red leaking through and our eyes sort of average it out especially when then surrounded by red. Look at albino animals skin, very pink/red BUT if they have fur that is pure white but since fur/hair is dead it is under layed with a grey. I think your "value distribution" theory is definitely correct in where to place values though which is why the black shorts were so successful! These types of videos are great though they remind me of Alton Browns good eats! :D
Omg how i love Bullet and Crusher kkkkk
I heard it from other youtubers as the 60% rule: to paint black at least the 60% of the final area has to be black to allow a correct read for the eye. Sane goes for white, and indirectly for all the ither colors
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Today, my realization was that I watched almost all miniac vide before subbing
One way of providing more of a deathly look would be to wash with a blue tone and allow it to accumulate in the lower parts of the face; in the eyes, on the earlobes, and on the lower part of the cheek around the Buccinator(instead of rosy cheeks being toned on the upper cheek - on the zygomatic). Reason being is that in later stages of death, the blood begins to pool, so gravity would pool the blood of the face in lower/deeper regions. Also, the fingertips and lips.
For some really flavorful undead - you could have story involving their deaths to be that of a witch trial, a ritualistic burning, or a house-fire: Any smoke-related death would have the victim potentially die from Carbon Monoxide poisoning - which would turn a victim's blood a vibrant pinkish-red; so the skin would be quite pink while the lips are ruby red.
I could see that as a very interesting backstory for some Grimm Cinderella type; maybe after Cinderella is wed to the Prince - people of the realm find out about her Fairy Godmother's magic spells that were cast upon her: they accuse her of consorting with demons and demand her execution for Witchcraft, which the Prince is forced to obligue by due to the obviously odd circumstances of their meeting. Perhaps an undead bride with a burnt/charred wedding gown and her hair done up with a broken tiara in the likeness of the Disney Princess - coupled with the Prince Charming having blue tones and speckles of red "goosebumps", as is seen in drown victims; because he threw himself off the bridge in grief of his wife's execution. He could have a "Davy Jones" vibe; having various aquatic things growing on him.
Husband and Wife - Water and Fire; seems to have quite the little ring to it.
What I've found works best for White and Black is to stylize the color palette for black and white since truly black and truly white surfaces in RL do lack the visual contrast and detail of more colorful surfaces. This is how I do them;
1) Use de-saturated blues for your mid-tones unless you have a specific light source in mind. Blue is easily read as gray reflecting natural light so no matter how light or dark it is it will almost always be read as 'light' when de-saturated and juxtaposed against black or white.
2) Eliminate the necessary number of outlier values and allow the black/white to take over for the midtone and every value thereafter. So for white you eliminate the shadow and darkest midtone and allow your lighter values to take over as your shadow. For black it's the same just in reverse where you're eliminating the highlight and lighter midtones to allow the darker midtones to become your highlights and allowing the black to take over from the darker midtones all the way down to the shadows.
Doing it this way subdues the lighting and avoids the harsh lighting effect you were getting from your value distribution method that lead to her reading the skin as pink. It'll also help keep black things from looking shiny by subduing the contrast and detail to allow for some of it to be swallowed up in the midtone as often happens with RL black surfaces.
"PINK?" ROFL that was an excellent explanation all kidding aside!
Quick question, does the concept of value distribution have further implications?
Wait, is that wight watered down or is the brush not very loaded with it? Also how much time do I need to wait between layers ?