Off The Cuff with Ashok Gulati, Siraj Hussain & Mekhala Krishnamurthy
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Watch this in depth conversation moderated by Editor-in-Chief Shekhar Gupta with Siraj Hussain, Former Union Secretary Agriculture; Ashok Gulati Infosys chair professor at ICRIER, and Mekhala Krishnamurthy, Associate Professor at Ashoka University on the three new farm laws.
The panel discusses how the three new farm laws bring in much needed reforms in the agricultural sector- but also stress that the reforms needed broad based consultation and should have been brought in gradually. While the government has proposed amendments in writing to allay farmers' fears, filling the trust deficit remains the challenge for the government.
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My god finally a rational intellectual debate of international standards . Comes Like a breath of fresh air from those mainstream media entertainment
The quality of this debate is impeccable, the panellists are quite distinguished and have vast knowledge on this subject. Meanwhile in mainstream media debates, all they discuss(shout) about Khalistani/pakistani /anti CAA links to this protests
This is perhaps the most dispassionate and professional discussion I have heard on this subject. Mekhala is outstanding
Yes, she has been much more honest dealing with the shortcomings of these laws. People don't understand... no one is objecting to making it easier for people to buy produce. Government is trapped to procure too much, and price security primarily exists with only wheat and rice, meaning you have this overproduction cycle of those two crops.
But the laws also have provisions which say that you cannot go to court if you're cheated in a private market. There is complete abandonment of any security to the farmer
@@vamsikrishna3855 Clause 13 of Farmers' Produce Trade and Commerce Act:
"No suit, prosecution or other legal proceedings shall lie against the Central
Government or the State Government, or any officer of the Central Government or the State
Government or any other person in respect of anything which is in good faith done or
intended to be done under this Act or of any rules or orders made thereunder."
You tell me which court you can go to. You cannot initiate legal proceedings. Highlight "Central Government... or any other person". Not even private buyers. I have my facts. Don't trust the government, read for yourself. This is an erosion of citizens' rights in general.
@@Rabidmonkey73 no, you are wrong. read chapter 3 of the act, titled 'dispute resolution'. Read that in association with clause 3 of chapter 2. The safeguards for the farmers are well elaborated in the act. The dispute can be raised to a sub divisional magistrate who can refer the case to a conciliation board.
The clause 13 which you mentioned, merely absolves the govt machinery of the legal liabilities for things done in implementing this law. That is pretty much common in any laws.
So, there are enough safeguards, or rather to say, an enhanced dispute resolution mechanism from the earlier system since things are taken out of the civil courts where the disputes could lag for years.
It is the best discussion I have heard on the subject of farm reforms...well done The Print...Well done SG ...
Bhaiji tucci bill nu support karde ya against ch
Mekhala ji, I am from Maharashtra, I see no farmer have problem with new farm reform. It is mostly punjab and haryana.
In Maharashtra... every thing is fine in farm sector....that is why largest number farmer suicides are reported from Maharashtra..😂 Every thing fine as long those who benefit get what they want. Farmer will always be there, if one die today another will always work in the field, coz they have no choice.🙄
Ha bhai mi pun maharashtra cha ch ahe , ikde political parties sodle tar bilkul protests nahi ahet , maharashtra one of the top agri producers asun sudha
@@Abbyramrosy so we want that same law which made farmers suicidal and see same suicide again or we want a better one farmers suicides because they don't get the price they deserved the middle man is the one who got all that's need to change
@Sara S who reduced salary actually on long run farmers income will increase ok if you are saying about middle man oh sorry for you your income is going to be reduced if this law is implemented and i am not protesting for that
@Sara S How about when Government reduce your salary because they need to pay the farmer who wants more MSP ?? Will you protest too ??
This quality of discussion and intelligentsia makes me realise why regional langauges are important. Bcz it is sad it reaches to a very less % of Indians than it should.
Also why English literacy is important
Hi Rajesh. Thanks for writing in.
@@ThePrintIndia at least have subtitles or voice overs in other languages. This is too important a discussion to be left only to the intelligentsia
You prolly dont give a shit but does someone know of a method to log back into an Instagram account..?
I somehow forgot the account password. I love any help you can offer me!
@Jedidiah Douglas Instablaster :)
The Bihar expeiment is twisted ever so by the intellectuals opposed to the reforms. The issue here is to strengthen the FPOs and create cooperatives where feasible. The institutional structures are being put in place.
@@manubhatt3 there are so many factors involve in private investment. More market liberation policy is one of it, besides that infrastructure plays a vital role as well and good governance.
What a delight to have SG moderating a panel! No unnecessary interruptions, only intelligent, thoughtful inputs! Thank you sir!
Why is it that nobody highligts the fact the Punjab and Haryana have just 0.25 million farmers whereas the rest of the country has 10 million farmers whose lives are favourably influenced. And the fact that Punjab shd go away from the cozy rice-wheat mountain creation.? Why is it not that the Punjabi leadership taking diversification of crops ?
If that is the case, the union government can withdraw the law and nudge some of the states (say who grows a lot of perishables and are ruled by the BJP) to adopt these laws and all of us can see for ourselves whether the farmers gains or not.
@@nikhilspeaking in agricultural growth from 2004-05 onwards, MP Chattisgarh Jharkhand Guj are ranked 1, 2,3 and 4 respectively. Almost all these are BJP ruled since past 15 years. Punjab agri growth in same period is 1.6% and 3rd from bottom. So punjab going dowm and these states are catching up or overtaken Punjab. Please check website of central statistical organizarion for this.
@@dbanerjee1980 don't have time for fact checking from reliable sources. I don't like modi which makes me to hate bjp. That makes me an intellectual. So i don't need facts.
@@dbanerjee1980, thanks but what is your point ?
@@nikhilspeaking bjp ruled states have already proved, with much higher agri growth rates since 2004-05.
The problem is such discussions are made in English which only an insignificant section can understand.Mr.Jaitley came handy to simplify things for a lay man in such conditions.There is no one like him in this government at present.
Please take interview of shivraj in off the cuff,how he has made MP power house of agriculture .
I wil just give small example i came from the onion belt of Maharashtra we have a big baskets procuring facility and they always give ur 200-300 rup more from what we gate in Mandi. Most imp is they also purchased directly from our farm so we also save the money for taking onion to market. They are doing this from last 4 years but mandi is still operating in our area . so by practical experience i can tell that actually by this latest amendment praposed by govt this act is good for farmers.
Protesters are in a comfort zone of MSP. They wouldn't like this comment.
@@ManojKumar-zs6sd Where else they can go for onion? If their is demand for onion they will have to purchase, otherwise in the absence of demand no one either Mandi or corporate will purchase onion 🧅.
Thank you ' The Print' for bringing out such a scholarly and lively discussion on this burning issue now. Mekhala's ground work appears to be outstanding. Dr. Gulati is definitely the tall man on the subject. I earlier also listened to him on different channels. Mr. Hussain with his vast knowledge in the policy framing and implementation was equally erudite. I will wait for many such discussions on other issues. A big thank you to Mr. Shekahr Gupta
Perhaps the best balanced and educative discussion with no noise.
SG knows how to interview
Unlike his colleague Jyoti
Do not compare Shekarji with others; He is a cut above the rest ;
Going forward, the government needs a strategy for building public opinion by directly addressing the most vulnerable sections of the population, in their language and idiom, months ahead of any new changes. This can be done subtly, and should be attempted even now with the farm reforms.
that lady is brilliant. academics like this should advise the government
Totally agree. The old men only keep repeating that they have 30 years experience working with farmers :-). Prof. Gulati falls flat comparing with 1991 reforms.
Modi govt must be missing Mr Jaitley like never before.
not just govt we are also missing jetlee......itni badi badi baatein kartaa tha demo aur GST ke baare me and left the economy in the lurch and the people languishing in distress under this idiot n illiterate PM
Atleast Piyush Goyal could become FM
btw fyi our country is a RW country.. dis cronies nd deir lovely journalist fakes LW to the ppl coz dey dont understand economics.. nd d ppl who writes fr dem r made liberals by dis same cronies university.. agr trko smaj nhi aaya toh ye madam ka bio data padh lena aur inki university ki harkate dekh le
He was always missed
"Perfect is the enemy of the good" - Some academics like Mekhala are eternal critics. As a result, nothing gets passed and there is no progress. The protests are clearly political. The BJP govt should have anticipated the vicious reaction from Punjab especially considering the congress government and the history of violence and secessionist tendencies. They didn't do that. Now they need to weather the storm and go forward. This is the defining moment for Modi.
What about Haryana and Western UP?
SG SIR , U R VIDEOS ON FARM LAWS r becoming more neutral and informative which each video.Great to see the way u r distancing u r views from other PLATFORMS.Great Work sir,do keep on empowering us....
Hi! Thanks for the wonderful feedback.
That maize poultry connection needs a separate discussion.
So, the search for complete discussion ends. Thanks Print.
Siraj Hussain has a sliver TH-cam plate in his background?????? How😂😂😂😂😂
Exactly what Im thinking 😂
i googled his name, cannot find his channel.
I tried googling if he has any child who may be a TH-camr😁
May be he is an old vlogger.....
Based on the reforms like GST, CAA and now agriculture, one thing is clear that this government has good intent and puts country first. They are poor in socialising and implementing these changes.
I agree with you. I felt that, even if they communicate well. The opposition will still protest and cause unrest in the country.
Another master piece by Shekhar Gupta. Best explained by Mekhala against so called heavy weights with fixed ideas and chip on their shoulders.
Why no discussion on how Sharad Pawar, Sukhbir Badal etc have own companies who are making money by charging farmers?
Quality content .
Its a privilege to able to listen to such brilliant minds who have not only the acumen for future thinking , policy making and reforms , but also the ability to think like a farmer and speak for him and help him understand better.
Loads of thanks to the print for such a mind opening session .
Interview is balanced between left and right. I personally like the print questions and it's mode. No nonsense topic only sensible conversation.
This needs to be said again, so I am copying Shri
Rajesh Daviyal's comment, below: "This quality of discussion and intelligentsia makes me realise why regional langauges are important. Bcz it is sad it reaches to a very less % of Indians than it should."
Pl highlight the deep corruptive processes in the Punjab mandi. Low grade , underweighed grains , opaque accounting and organised leakage and loot of public money. Btw the Rs 6000 cr plus expense of the mandis in Punjab is paid fir by FCI and not the state govt or the middlemen.
The Print and SG sir, pure respect!! Loooved this discussion. Thanks for bringing Mekhala ji. She brought in so much valuable inputs. Great panel and an enlightening discussion.
Brilliant, simply brilliant - Shekhar sir, while all the participants were simply brilliant, particular appreciation to Dr Mekhala Krishnamurthy. Please please please, we need to understand the social and behavioral aspects of the farming practices and how they are closely interlinked with the economics of farming. Who better than an anthropologist, who has closely studied them by being with these farmers of all hues. Can you please, if possible, organize a separate "off the cuff" with Mekhala? Would be grateful if Shekhar sir can make an exception here by calling someone who is not in the same league as Francis Fukuyama, Raghuram Rajan or Ashley Tellis?
Great discuss finally get to learn so many things .
Mr. Gulati and Mr. Hussain are great scholars. I've read some of their work and it's really informative.
Finally a rich and worthy conversation! Thank You SG and team Print! 😊
Mekhala Krishnamurthy really broke it down and explained the real problem really beautifully . Everything is thinking one sweeping brush can solve everything.
She is all generalizations and theoretical knowledge.
Punjab vich Lok afwaa fayla rhe ne ki sabzian de rate mehnge ho Jaan ge 100 ton 150 rupay naal ,Lok faltu Di afwaan fayla rhe ne.
@Gengar Gang I also support farm bill protest but now govt. Has given in written that msp would not be abolished, no adani and ambani ,but still some people are creating fear for there personal gain.
Congratulations to theprint.in team for assembling such a knowledgeable panel and hosting a high quality discussion.
These farm laws are beneficial for farmer's who want more market access.
This is the best debate on farm reforms.
Alas ! our TV debates could never match upto such standards.
Most sensible, near perfect (if not outrightly perfect) discussion on farm legislation I have viewed or listened to so far. A well deserved applause for Mr. Sekhar Gupta and The Print team for coming up with this need of the hour discussion.
Keeping up the tempo with expert [senior] panelists - Mr. Gulati and Hussain, I think Ms. Mekhala too have some intresting points to make, making for that extra shine to the discussion altogether. Looking forward for more such enlightened discussion in future, whereby we could explore different perpestives before forming our opinions over a particular topic.
Why not introduce millets in mid day meal scheme?
Not easy to get the digestion part going for young children
@@ThirumalavasanGDamodaran 40 yrs back millets were an essential part of our diets, it may take some time but kids will get used to it. This will result in creation of a new market & consumer section.
@@ThirumalavasanGDamodaran oh angrez, bacho ka digestive system sabse strong hota
@@AmandeepSingh-cv5qz sardar ji nikke. Baari baari cumboard te fir tour bhi karenga
very enriching and civil discussion...such type of duscussion without political bickering is very rare in indian media...experts from different fields always bring out finer points in an important public debate like this
Why doesn't small farmers replicate what happened in Gujarat in production of Milk which gave Amul like cooperative .
Because farmers are divided on the lines of caste and religion...We have canal irrigation in our uncle’s farm the water at the first stage doesn’t go to the last patch of land just because the last guy is a Dalit...As long as people are divided you cannot establish a cooperative. Amul’s model (dairy) is working in almost all southern states as well but with smaller scale. But no such cooperative is there in farm produce side...
Thank you SG for this wonderful discussion. This brought forth many of the unknown aspects of farm economy and the role of States. " One India, one policy" doesn't work always.
Balanced discussion, I hope the Govt. does not bow down to these protestors (and encourage anarchists to indulge in blackmail)
The talk has been exhilarating to say the least. I just want to know whether the government have professionals like Ms. Mekhala Krishnamurthy who help the committee take concious informed decisions. The depths to which one can probe to understand and comprehend seems mind boggling. Thank you SG.
One possible solution that comes to mind is the exclusion of Punjab & Haryana from the implementation of these laws. Amend the 3 laws so that all states except these 2 will be covered by them. Leave the agriculture of these 2 states to the state governments.
Thanks print for bringing apolitical experts
Income support or investment support (for crop switching) in place of price support is a great idea. Well put by Dr Gulati.
great conversation... such discussions India is in dire need of
Prof. Mekhla Krishnamurti's is the most authentic voice. Her suggestions are rooted in ground realities. Although it was not a debate , rather more of a brainstorming she wins hands - down .
This fad : one nation one everything , makes little sense in our country. I am , personally , of the opinion that GST was never a good idea for a country like ours . States not getting their share of GST money will not remain restricted to the pandemic period ; it will be a perennial problem.
Only a monied section of traders of agricultural produce has been protesting to maintain status quo on MSP. Media person like you are only reporting or highlighting a wrong perspective. Intriguing is your title of the video Off the Cuff. My understanding is "Off the Cuff" means something said or spoken casually. Furthermore, the moderator said ' she is now full time scholar'. Does scholar come in Literate Delhi in full version, quarter version or some other fraction. I am just an 'idiot common man.
Do keep empowering us like this sir
Big big thanks to u
This is the most insightful discussion that watched on the subject. Thnaks SG
It seems i was listening to music.Breath taking discussion. Greate communication. Beautiful people. Enriched my self. What an esteemed panel. So peaceful and soothing.
Hi Aman. Do keep tuning in for #OffTheCuff.
@@ThePrintIndia thanks.
Couldn't agree more with the discussion compared to a music concert...harmony..
Excellent interview. You gave enough time to the guests! Excellent. Keep it up. What a good interviewer should always do and never forget. Ask incisive questions but give ample time even if you disagree. Very nice. We can fall back on your other postings for your own views.
Excellent discussion, Thank you the Print for bringing the correct information to public and not jumping on the bandwagon to showcase blind sympathy on farmers protest.
Why can't the government have the humility to have people like Dr. Gulati in a panel to hold discussion with the agitating farmers. They need to be convinced of the long term benefits of the reform and their fears originating from misinformation need to be allayed.
Excellent conversation, very informative.
An interesting array of ideas being discussed by the experts....just the discussion required on the issue.
Between Ashok, Sirji and Mekhla I think all spoke very well. I liked Ashok as best, Sirji lot of experience, Mekhla trying to talk about vision.. I think now we will can't discuss this When the street are on fire.
Very comprehensive and enlightening!
Mekhla has an in depth knowledge of the subject due to her field experience. Good job Print ro get wise minds on board. Wish to see more such panel discussions.
Is there no political design to the tired old rhetoric of " corporate devillishmess" ? How long are we going to listen to this slogan ? We have the CCI and other watchdogs can be created ? Wy not ?
Yo hit the nail on the head
Need to hear more from intelligent participants like Mekhala K.
The talk has been exhilarating to say the least. I just want to know whether the government have professionals like Ms. Mekhala Krishnamurthy who help the committee take concious informed decisions. The depths to which one can probe to understand and comprehend seems mind boggling.
Discussions like these reinforce my belief in Indian media, especially the Print.
Professor Gulati 🙏🙏❤️
PROGRESSIVE INDIAN FARMERS SUPPORT FARM LAW 🇮🇳🇮🇳❤️🙏🇮🇳❤️🙏🇮🇳❤️🙏🇮🇳❤️🙏🇮🇳❤️🙏🇮🇳❤️
Punjab & haryana are being penalised for a good performance.Wheat & paddy yields in these states are best in the world.
The main farmer demand pan india is MSP on 23 crops,as promised by CM modi in 2012 .This will be the single biggest boost to GDP in independent india.
@@angadsingh3267 Where is it written the MSP will be taken away?
@@adj33 that is the only thing they are not agreeing on.Tell the pm or agri minister to come out and say will give assured MSP on 23 crops as promised by modi.
@@angadsingh3267 They have already said that.
@@angadsingh3267 Yup, they have repeated time and again MSP won't go away.
What a discussion ❤️❤️❤️❤️
Shekhar sir always keep it crispy palatable.👍🏿
Smt Mekhala may note that autonomy of States have been totally respected. Creating one national market is a great idea. Removal of market cess on farmers is a great contribution of this Act while simultaneously supporting the APMCs. Punjab may be apprehensive of losing around Rs 3500 crores which can be compensated. And similarly other States. Or have a uniform 2% cess. Sri Hussain is suggesting meeting of NDC. Prof Gulati is right saying to move from price support to investment support to income support and to what extent any support is crop neutral is crucial. Smt Mekhala is right in saying preserving diversity 8s crucial. A great interview.
The opposition, at least some, see themselves waging a war, and the generational interests of farmers as a small price to pay for a more glorious ideological victory. Oh, the irony!
I mean bjp did something similar in 2009-10 when mms tried to bring in farm reforms. If anything they were much more opposing
@@subhxsish I don't know the details of it, but sorry to hear that if they did so. That would be two decades of lost time and a generation of farmer families' opportunity lost for a better life. It is also a question of building the resilience of Indian society as a whole to withstand economic shocks, and unfortunately, there will be more in the coming decades.
Very good Panel & discussion. Thank you for enlightening us 👍
My 2cent suggestion is that Govt can assure farmers let these reforms ON for 3years, Govt take back laws in case farmer’s financial condition won’t improve
An informative show🥰📺📺.
It’s a really nice conversation!!
Madam, the question was how will you salvage! What answer are you giving?
I also was thinking the same lines !!
She answered and you missed. She said just a regulatory reform will not work , you need to have a vision and change many other factors so that farmers can see that there is a real change.
@@Valkyri3Z yeah she want more reforms
@@varunarya922 The question was , did she answer ? Yes. Real fake goody-goody your opinion. real intelligentsia has taken the economy to the gutter of -23% GDP with marvellously idiotic plans like Demonetisation. The warning words of so called fake intelligentsia has come true ..rather than labelling them they should have listened. 😆
Print can also look upon the options of tie up with Hotstar/digital platform. I see a lot of my friends watching daily news on it. Because as regular viewer it will be really great to get things in an integrated manner on platforms where I am already paying for these particular services.
Hi Mrinal, thanks for the feedback!
Thank you for using the lapel mike, even indoors! Excellent. Much lower reverberation now!
Nice talk so much to learn
When 90% farmers are already selling to private players, then why is there no supply lines and investments in agriculture? Why None in Madhya Pradesh or in Bihar?
Cox these were illegal..... Now there wil b framework
They told it that those had no formal structures. Most private firms buy from APMC mandis.
@P M lolz - stop copying Me. Shekhar gupta’s examples from other videos...😂😂
All 3 experts are great. The centre should have a agricultural regulator which can bring in reforms, includes all agricultural ministers. There should be experts who run this regulator with political consensus.
Clearly explained by Prof Gulati
Mekhala Krishnamurthy made the most sensible remark at 50:40. Not commenting on his intentions, but Ashok Gulati sometimes comes as mocking the farmers and ignoring the precarious conditions in which we live our lives. And he never answers why private sector has failed to work elsewhere. Shows the difference between top-bottom and bottom to top approach. Farmers lives are not the laboratory for experimentation.
amazing otc
Gulati sir 🙏🙏🙏
excellent conversation.
Very illuminating discussion, so much of depth of analysis, grassroots knowledge, understanding and passion about the subject. Why doesn't Govt. conduct such discussions & debates with experts and intelligentsia on a variety of subjects? Why should Govt think that the ivory tower Babus or pot bellied Ministers with (vested interests guiding their thoughts) know every thing? SG asking "why didn't the Govt procure?" is utterly stupid, how much can Govt procure? FCI & CWC are epitomes of corruption & inefficiency. Millions of tons of food grains ,unnecessarily procured(That's the reason, "pampering of rich farmers of Pb&Har" for the present day protests), cost the country very dearly. Rotting grains, distress sale to breweries,free distibution, blocked finances,dried up liquidity.....many many problems. Babus of FCI do not have the vision, agility,flexibility or expertise of private traders, who know what to buy, and when, and hold how long. Such decisions cannot be taken by corrupt,inept Babus.
I am from Vidarbha... this discussion is away from ground reality of farmers. Main problem of farmers is "income" of farmers? How much it is? How his family survive in such a low income? No discussion on it😭😭😭
Enlightened
Change is never easy to accept due to fear.
In karnataka the APMCs work better. The State Government set up ReMS, an initiative to link all APMCs in the State so that the farmer gets to know all the bids and chooses the best price, or even decide not to sell. If the sale goes through, the buyer deposits the money into the farmers’ bank account and then the delivery order issued to the buyer.
Nevertheless, the State has adopted the farm’s reforms. The protests in Karnataka are tokenism, not serious. I am sorry to say that Punjab farmers are strengthening the stereotype of Sardarji.
thank god good journalism persists though inconsistent.
Agree with Ms Krishnamurthy’s suggestion to set up a mechanism involving all states like GST council, able to control some of the heavyweight states overpowering the small states for own political and middle men’s interest and roadblocks.
27:50 Whether Mao's rule would have allowed blocking roads as they do right now in Delhi? BTW leadership is all about conviction, not convenience. How long will you build consensus ?? The political leaders are tested every year with one or more elections but not the fascists @Sekhar Gupta.
@@vamsikrishna3855 True... The "Communist Art of Subversion" where you demoralize a nation first and then create Anarchy... That's how this leftist ecosystem works ..
Please do a CTC on "Anti-Cow Slaughter Laws" passed by Karnataka govt. and all other such (Cow/Beef related) laws in different states of India or imposed by Central government.
Mam u are simply brilliant