"Wrong to question Attwell's integrity" | Ref Watch discusses Nottingham Forest controversy
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Former referee Dermot Gallagher on Ref Watch discusses the controversy surrounding Nottingham Forest after they accused Stuart Attwell, the VAR for their contentious 2-0 defeat at Everton, of being a Luton Town fan after a series of appeals for penalties by Forest were turned down.
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Skysports trying to do the ultimate salvation job here. All football fans are in agreement and Skysports are making themselves look more corrupt with every video. 💰💰💰💰💰
Not just Sky honestly. Go watch talksport or espn, all of the media are doing it! Something is fishy
Lol
100% agree. Clearly in bed with pgmol trying to save face
And talksport...
You made you spokesperson for all football fans?
Theres no integrity to question, what a disgraceful performance by VAR
They raised their concerns *before* the game though. Then this happened! You can’t then blame them for questioning his integrity afterwards, and if you don’t think his integrity can be questioned, then at the very least his competence should be questioned! Either way, Forest aren’t wrong
These Sky Sports pundits are owned by the PGMOL. Complete oxygen wasters.
Pgmol 😊Standing trial for themselves...we live in a corrupt world
Nah. PGMOL is owned by the broadcasters.
How much was sky sports paid to *shut the fans up😂 bunch of bullies
Mark clattenburg shut up
Corruption
Don't be silly. The broadcasters run the game now.
Pgmol has been talking about this and done nothing about their mistakes. All supporters need to support forest
The fact attwell is a luton fan because of where luton are in the table attwell should not of been anywhere near that game there was 4 matches he could of reffed none would of really benefitted luton
Did the same to Burnley at Villa earlier this season on VAR. Attwell needs checking
That’s the thing with his job. He’s not supposed to be supporting any team while working. The referee in charge is from Manchester and during the game with Arsenal recently city players complained fouls weren’t getting called and people weren’t getting booked. Your team have to perform not cheat
Who was it who chose Attwell for this game ? And why ?
Something very dodgy is going on.
To say he made a mistake is wrong. He made three mistakes, that is a pattern.
None of them were mistakes. They were decisions he chose to make. He cheated. That "send Taylor to the screen" makes me laugh though. How does Taylor not see it. Oh, he does, he ALSO DECIDES to not make a decision.
I’m with forest on this. They raised it before the game , they’ve had shocking decisions go against them this season. What else are they suppose to do.
"he didn't mean to do it" WTF
Forest is being attacked by this corrupt system because they pointed at the elephant in the room 😂😂
Who is the elephant?
@@Zion66666 Its the crooked refereeing system that decides who wins, depending on the interests of the so called big 6
@@Zion66666take a guess... it begins with C
We told them before the game there was a Luton fan on VAR… of course we can call out his integrity.
The way they're talking it's like they're at gunpoint cause they can't say the wrong thing. Forest are in the right, we all agreed that Liverpool should've had that goal allowed, arsenal have been hard done by and forest got robbed yesterday too. The season has been tarnished by VAR again!
Not City though you notice. Odd that isn't it.
It's not VAR, it's the officials! The penalties also wouldn't have been given without VAR!
Gone too far!? Not far enough for the damage the pgmol have done this season
It's not just incompetence, it feels like there's corruption going on at this point.
Beyond a doubt on that one
It's quite simple, It's either Incompetence or Collusion.
If you are saying that Attwell doesn't make mistakes and is very capable, then it must raise a few questions over his integrity.
Luton are not in Champions League Dermot you fool
making a error is one thing, but making 3 in a row is corrupt.
Especially all 3 incidents committed by same player how he didn't get sent off is also beyond me first foul Ashley Young did his he put his hands up that should triggered ref to point to spot then go to screen just for reassurance
Can you explain what the VAR actually did yesterday? Not once did they stop the game and show slow motion replays etc with the purple VAR sign, all the decisions brushed aside by VAR
Mike Riley (the VAR) said about the Chelsea-Spurs match in Aug 22 referred by Anthony Taylor; "I didn't want to send him up because he is a mate as well as a referee and I think I didn't want to send him up because I didn't want any more grief than he'd already had." From that point forward, integrity can certainly be questioned.
You mean Mike Dean didn’t send him to the screen, not Mike Riley.
And the excuse pgmol came up with, well pulling hair isn’t in the laws….
And what does Mike Deane do now?
@@yardgrid rubs cover for other poor officials on the media shows
@@yardgrid The point is if at the time when his hair was pulled people had said "Mike Dean is corrupt. He's seen the foul an intentionally ignored it to help out his mate" Sky Sports & Talksport would be screaming saying that it's slander and that you can't imply he's intentionally cheated and that the person who said it should be sued. Except it was the case that he intentionally cheated and as far as I can see that attitude seems to remain in the PGMOL. Why would we believe they're honest an incompetent rather than corrupt?
These muppets are so full of crap, it's like the concept of unconscious bias doesn't exist.
The fact that pgmol have turned off their comments on Instagram shows what the fans think of them 😂 it’s not just the one game, it’s not just one game a month it’s every other game! It’s ruining football. It’s corrupt asf it’s so blatant to see and the fact sky sports back it up is even more embarrassing trying to control the fans opinion! We all fed up and sick of it!! No wonder online content creators are becoming more popular. Mainstream media = corruption
Attewell and Taylor are at best INCOMPETENT!
I’ve said it many, many times; Anthony Taylor should not be refereeing in EPL.
I think all clubs must stand together and get rid of the corrupt officials.The apologize after matches are played but,the points are lost
Exactly right but there are 6 or 7 clubs who wont do a thing about it.
@tenerifereddog3943 I hope you don't include Liverpool in that. Refereeing decisions have stripped them of a title at least twice and they are doing so again this season.
Chelsea, clear handball. No pen given
Arsenal, clear handball, VAR said the player was using the hand to break his fall, it never touched the ground.
Man C, studs in chest. No pen given, Liverpool got a red card for same in the Spurs game and that is the fourth game. The PGMOL and VAR are not helping Liverpool despite the stupid LiVARpool monika incels use
Atwell isn't capable, he's not fit to do the job...he's absolutely rotten
If a supposedly competent referee makes what is generally agreed as 2 wrong decisions out of 3 penalty calls, one must must question his integrity, as what other factors is there?
What do you mean? "he didn't mean to do it" 3 😢 decisions!!!
The world that we are living in is a complete mess when it becomes wrong to question someone's integrity.
Yes we are mugs... and they are the puppets at the show.
Boycott pgmol.....stand with forest
Clearly, it does not work Dermott 😒
The fact that this sort of stuff has happened far too many times it cannot simply be ignored. PGMOL has a lot to answer for.
Why is it wrong to question someone integrity? Because he is English or a nice person. I have known very nice people who were English and have been corrupt. All bad people don’t wear black hats.
Everyone should always be questioning these people’s integrity and trips to the UAE to be paid stupid money do not help
The minute you stop asking questions is the minute you can be taken advantage of. There are no wrong questions. There should be no one involved in officiating a game that have any personal interest in the outcome of the result. By making that appointment the PGMOL give justifiable cause for questions to be raised. It's simply outrageous to suggest otherwise.
That last penalty decision is one I cannot get over. It is the most blatant penalty I’ve ever seen. Young comes through the back of Hudson adoi, doesn’t get the ball and trips his ankle. There is clear contact. So that is blatant corruption I cannot accept that is a mistake it’s not possible 😂😂😂😂
Notice what thee ref says. "The bar for contact has risen and I think that's what we all want".
No fan has EVER wanted "contact" to include kicking players.
The refs use this type of language to make everything subjective so they can decide games.
@@yardgrid They've got a series of excuses for whatever decisions they give. They've got the media in their pocket so anyone pointing out the constant awful decisions is branded as "hurling abuse at match officials". They've won. There's no way to get rid of VAR & these decisions will keep happening for as long as they want them to.
All of them are jerks and saving officials for making blatant errors
Forrest loosing was better than a draw for Luton because it keeps them closer
Exactly. These so called experts have just proved they don't know what they're talking about. You only need to finish in 17th place to stay in the league 😂
What integrity.
They were 3 blatant penalties.
Attwell should be sacked.
Poor referees poor VAR especially Anthony Taylor
I’m old enough to remember the majority of people wanting VAR so it would stop inquisitions like this every week by pundits, it’s literally made it worse. The game has been ruined and it will never be the same
All three were pens and the top six would have had all three
Ask Cucerella why.
Integrity gets question when not one or 2 but 3 clear cut penalties are ignored. That can’t be a mistake!
I like how a few analysts think they are correct but all football fans are screaming your wrong
I love Sue, I'd battle to death for her, but there's no way I can take a side against Forest here.
Theres no club statement that can me ever think that thr referees in the EPL are doing a good job.
I 100% stand with Forest.
It's painful that each time these people are paid to prefer that we side with the referees.
The referring standards are atrocious. Whilst I don’t agree with Notts Forest tweet, these on going referee mistakes can’t continue. Time for refs to improve. The current bunch of refs and VAR are not preforming to an acceptable standard.
Corruption
What don't you agree with in the tweet? Which part or what words?
Who is producing this show??? Why the awkwardness and pauses .... absolutely crap ......
They daren't say what they all know to be true.
This made me squirm watching, how can we have an automotive system that relies on human decisions and expect the system to be any better? My mind is blown
As an Everton fan I am amazed with the (non intentional) handball. It is the type of offence that gets you a free goal even when the ball was going no where near the back of the net, so based on that something should have been given. The other two are questionable. Everton have been in that position so many times and NOT recieved any attention from the ref/VAR.
I dont think NF have done themselves any favours by going public the way they did. I am sure there are formal protocols for this type of situation. As a result, they are more likely to get any action resisted than acted upon.
All the lower level clubs get the raw deal in call against the top teams, over and over again. In this case a biased official made several blatantly biased decisions that could relegate a team from the Prem. We should all support fair decisions.
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Absolutely. Everton had their $hitty calls, and Youngs handball is a penalty as the rule stands.
You can question integrity? Sounds awfully authoritarian to me.
What do we know? Lord Simon Jordan hath spoken😂😂😂😂😂
This likely what happened: forest complained about var and Webb told Attwell and he retaliated against forest. That was pure retaliation. “How dare you complain about me? I will deal with you.”
I'm an Everton fan. Many Evertonians have commented this season, with more justification or not, that Everton haven't been awarded penalties when they should have been.
I try to look those incidents as objectively as possibly and many times I haven't, in my mind, agreed with the penalty shouts of many other Evertonians.
For example the kick by a Bournemouth player against Dominic Calvert-Lewin was in the mind of many Evertonians a clear penalty. But I thought it would have been a quite "soft" penalty decision, and I can understand it was not given.
After saying that, imo not any of those three incidents by Ashley Young warranted a penalty. Both his "kicks" were minor contacts and the "hand-ball" touched unintentionally his arm.
And moreover, surely it would have been much more justifiable to give a penalty from the Calvert-Lewin incident than any of those three connected with Young.
The English football matches have been admired all over the world for many decades by the manner they are played: along the skill the endeavour and the fighting spirit and the "never-say-die" attitude. We all have also endorsed the mentality not to give "soft" penalties!!!!
Unfortunately that has somewhat changed with the VAR. Nowadays there are too many too lightly given penalties after the VAR check.
The modern game is so fast that you can't penalise every minor "kick" or hand-ball in the box (the latter should be penalised only if a player raises deliberately his arm trying to stop the ball).
The only situations where "soft" penalties are not yet given, are the pushing incidents, and that is good.
One more thing, that has nearly "killed the game", have been the too narrow offside lines. It's a real travesty that a good build-up goal can be afterwards disallowed by a marginal offside! It has killed much of the enjoyment of the whole game when you can't instantly fully celebrate a goal.
Many times you can sigh of relief only after and if the VAR check informs onside. Or alternatively there is a huge disappointment if the goal has been chalked away by a "millimeters" offside!
The lines should be so broad that everybody could see in a still picture if the player was offside. Hopefully the new on-coming technology will correct this.
This has to be the most awkward segment on Sky Sports. The presenter reads like he’s just learnt the English language and Dermot is as good as a man short. Don’t mind the other two blokes though..
Some absolute shockers from VAR this season and the reality is it has affected who will win the title, who will get relegated and more. Integrity of the sport severely damaged. It’s a shambles.
How can any football fan trust these VAR officials? when we have had Mike Dean admitting he was protecting "his mate" when he done nothing for the Cucurella hair pulling incident in Chelsea v Spurs game a couple of seasons a go! VAR has failed so badly, the way it is implemented is a complete joke.
The 2 fouls for Forrest were clear pens, for me, the handball one is debatable but the fact that the referee was not sent to the screen to look at any of them stinks!
As a forest fan this is the worst bit ,why oh why wasn't he sent to the monitor ,the only reason it can be was that he would have had to give the penalties, and that is the reason they didn't do it
The premier league is corrupt from top to bottom
This is bad it makes football and var look stupid instead of denying it make it right I feel for forest fans right now
"Wrong to question Attwell's integrity" why when officials make such ridiculous decisions - you SHOULD QUESTION THEIR INTEGRITY Spin Spin Spin
Too many major VAR mistakes this season. Somebody needs to take responsibility for these gross errors, so why doesn't Howard Webb do the honourable thing and resign.
Blah blah blah!!! 3 penalties=0 penalties, nothing to see here.
Attwell is either incompetent or biased. They've argued he's neither but at the same time that VAR has had a shocker. 🤷 The football boys club, Premier League, FA, Sky and PGMOL all in bed together to keep the money rolling 💸.
All of them corruption
"Wrong to question Attwell's integrity"
Why? This is like playing poker with the referees and now one of the participants have accused them of hiding cards in their sleeves and instead of just showing the sleeves and proving the accusations wrong, they've gone on a crusade to accuse everyone wanting clarity of the situation of wrongdoing.
This all is just making the referees look more guilty and Sky Sports an accessory, instead of being journalists trying to find the truth about the situation.
"Wrong to question Attwell's integrity" ??? no it's not, Refs should come out and explain why the make such decisions or hold up there hands when they make mistakes, they need to be held more accountable, we also should be able to here when var is talking to the ref too
Why would Luton want a draw? Surely an Everton win is more favourable to Luton?
On Luton fans wanting a draw, they only need to be ahead of 1 of the teams in question so a defeat for the one with lower points is better than a draw. They would have wanted Forest to lose.
I’m with Forest on this one.
Maybe they didn’t need to say the bit about Luton, but they are fully within in their rights to say something about VAR because its awful.
Anthony Taylor, Paul Tierney, Stewart Attwell, why do we know these names? Because of their calls and how aggregous their actions are. The whole lot of referees in the UK need to be examined for their biases. And you wonder why the Roma fans were after Anthony Taylor in the airport, if he was calling the game fairly they would not have tried to hurt him.
Flatten burg is a spokesman for Nottingham Forest who it’s plain to see have been at the wrong end of too many wrong decisions. I therefore believe that Battenberg is correct to highlight this. And you lot can pontificate all day, you should be focussing on the terrible decisions which are clearly happening to certain clubs more than others, namely the ones lower down the table. “I don’t like the statement from Nottingham Forest” well tough, are they not free to speak out? I’ve watched every game, two major decisions have gone in Forests favour all season, but I’ve lost count of the numbers of bad decisions that have gone the other way
The options are he's incompetent or he was unable to stay impartial... You can't have both. And I think the bigger issue is people say these issues will balance out through the year but forest have not had that balance. I'm not saying they're the only team with bad decisions but it's clearly not working
If he's that good at his job and that consistent at making correct calls, what else do you do but question his integrity? Do top officials make 3 errors like that?
They didn’t question the integrity. The just said that they informed the pgmol of Stewart’s preferred club. The pgmol decided not to do anything and their man messed up 2/3 times. So are NF stating what they had tried to have done, correlation isn’t causation but it puts the question to find out.
When they release the audio, it will show incompetency that in any other job could be grounds for termination(repetitive failures by officials). Even worse they fail when they have slow motion, replay, and loads of angles. But can’t handle making their buddy’s look bad
It's one of two things, either the PGMOL puts consistently incompetent refs in charge of decisions, which means they need to be stepped down or they are complicit in the biased decisions or lack thereof, which means they are corrupt.
If it is not integrity it is incompetence. Make up your minds.
"as a luton fan youd want a draw" - great referees can only shape a game so far. Its not like they can dictate the result but they can weigh the game against a single side if they want to.
Even refrees in FIFA would have given all three of them.( 2 of the 3, if you have handball pens off). Disgraceful VAR. What a joke
Bad day for VAR!!!!!.....EVERY WEEKEND IS A BAD DAY THEN....WTF
We pointed out the elephant in the room of corruption in the PGMOL, and we are getting executed for the greater good.
"Sympathy" is not gonna address the problems.😂
All four of these look scared and guilty please watch there body language hands & eyes
Just dreadful officials all season. I am a Luton fan, every side has been affected. Doesn't make it right though. The officials and VAR needs review
This has put Forest Fans over the edge. This isnt the first time this year. But now its getting ridiculous.
The first 2 were iffy and could probably go either way based on the on field decision. The last one, on the other hand, really needed to be reviewed.
In no way shape or form should an official who is a supporter of a team be involved in a game that has consequences for the team they support.
If its not integrity then it's incompetence, either way needs investigating, sick to death of this every week VAR isn't fit for purpose and ruining the game
And then forest go down because of a ref decision....I would then sue PGMOL and then get rid of them and VAR and start again. They are truly a joke
Carpal tunnel syndrome from scrolling down to find anyone that agrees with Sky besides their employees
Most toffees sympathise with Forest. Dreadful 💙
What referees DO EVERY week is FAR WORSE than what Forest SAID.
These kind of intergity test need to happen to correct the VAR errors, No any point discussing at this time, club has entitled to say its opinion where it right or wrong, like four here.
Ah, my comment was hidden highlighting Corruption by Proxy and why and how it occurs.
Skysport are balls deep in PGMOL and FA. Every fan has a sympathy for Forest bar Luton and Everton fans. I wonder how much money do they get to shield these refs.
WHY DO THEY KEEP DEFENDING VAR WHY JUST TOO KEEP CONTROLLING FULL TIME RESULTS
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Based on the fact he’s been a professional referee this kind of mistake in a game of this nature his integrity is in question. If it isn’t ethical then it’s negligence he should face some form of critic. And he should answer those questions. Why in this game he made multiple mistakes
This idea Luton wanted a draw...Why, that puts Everton 3 pts ahead and Forest 2. The best result was an Everton Win. This means Forest stays just 1pt ahead and Everton are almost safe and guess where Luton can pick up points from a "safe" team...at Everton. If Everton lost then they'd probably need to beat Luton.?
“It obviously works” … except it doesn’t.
To hell with VAR
I'm so glad a club finally had the minerals to call out a cheating referee, it happens nearly every week.
It happened in every game lately
they talk too much about man utd why dont they cover the past penalty incidents against man utd
How has their sympathy throughout the season helped the club?
What a load of rubbish. Why would Luton want a draw? That means both teams above them pull away. They only need to beat one of them and Forest is the closest.
Its never wrong to question anything if its completely and utterly wrong the refs and var are not above accountability
If you cannot call-out ones integrity you will get bias and probable corruption. PGMOL should note, to most fans, the PGMOL comes across as a bunch of amateurs refereeing the professional game.