By the way, I dont have an apple TV but I am basing this info from how my ipad behaves. I just saw another video saying that the apple TV resamples music unlike the bitperfect iphone or ipad going out to a DAC.
Same, I just did it today and I am so impressed. Just listened to miles Davis -Sketches of Spain and rediscovered the album with nuances I did not hear before
Gene thank you very much for this I’ve been using Apple TV for years and usually I’m pretty thorough in diving into the settings. Unbelievably I missed this. I did switch to lossless and noticed a welcomed difference. Softer but more natural especially in the subtle notes of an orchestra played some music by Fabio Biondi classical and some John williams live in Vienna definitely impressed and improved. Thank you very much for your work. 👍🏻
I've owned the 3rd generation Apple TV for nearly two years, and I didn't know this. I checked, and apple music was not set on lossless audio. Thank you very much!!!
My GOODNESS!! Thank you Gene. I am a stickler for these things and I simply cannot believe I missed this. You’re right, it’s buried. Thank you for these invaluable tips videos.
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I've learned over time that the mastering of the actual music is far more important than bitrate. Now, having just said that Lossless 24bit/48kHz is a huge step up from 256 AAC and is a welcome bit of news.
@@roccobruno8027 my old ears hear the difference between 16 and 24 bit. I can’t really hear much difference above 48hz to say 96 or 192. So Apple TV works just fine for me.
As an audiophile, what do you use to convert the audio to speakers? I noticed Apple TV doesn't have an audio output. So you're dependent on the DAC from your tv? Or are there other options?
Hey Gene .. my audio setting was on "High Quality" which I changed to "Lossless".. Thanks for the video 👍👍 meanwhile, there's a slight modification to be done in your video: its Settings > Apps > Music > Audio Quality .. and not Settings > General > Apps > Music > Audio Quality.
With all else equal (Apple music settings etc), will Apple TV 4K provide better sound quality than AirPlay2 via an iPhone - 2 channels music listening?
AirPlay sucks! Apple TV hardwire to your tv is the best way to listen to music. Obviously you need a good sound system. I have the Sonos system. Amazing
@@iampuzzleman282tvOS is the Apple TV operating system. What Gene shows is version 17 of the operating system that has some minor changes over version 16.
Thanks for posting this video. Yes, both of my AppleTV units were not set for Lossless music. Now the next step for me is to get an audio input preamp to take the HDMI from my AppleTV and feed it into my stereo. I have an old style high quality audio system which I plan to retain, but I just need an add-on to take the HDMI output from the AppleTV and use its DAC to put out an analog audio signal to feed into an AUX input. Any reasonably priced recommendations?
Gene, does this information also apply to the Apple TV app that comes pre-installed on most Smart TV's nowadays? I have an old standalone Apple TV (pre-4K), which I used before TV manufacturers started including Apple TV as a pre-installed app. At some point, I'm going to buy a new Smart TV, just haven't decided yet. The reason I ask is because if I have access to the "Settings" menu inside the pre-installed Apple TV app on my Smart TV (i.e. I'm not sure if one would even have this level of access to the pre-installed Apple TV app to make any would-be changes), and if the pre-installed Apple TV app can output Apple Lossless audio, that would obviate the need (and added expense) of buying yet another outboard device. Not to mention the necessary additional HDMI and Ethernet cables to connect it all up. Thank you.
The AppleTV+ app that you find on smart TVs and other streamers is for the Apple subscription video streaming service and is separate from the Apple Music app which is included in the Apple TV streaming devices.
Mmmm, yea. I'm not sure to the degree just how "separate" the Apple TV app is from the standalone Apple TV box. Even with that, the AppleTV app still allows you to also stream Apple Music. Since that's the case, and to the point of my question, does it (also) allow you access to its "Settings" menu?
@@alvindawkins5700Quick and direct answer to your question is no. You need the actual hardware, which has certain algorithms that take advantage of the processor that's built into the box, upscaling, decoding, DV, HDR10+, 4:4:4, Atmos, DTS-X...
Gene or any of the members, can you address this question. I have lossless in my "iTunes Library" , which I can stream into my Apple TV connected to my AVR. Will the Apple TV stream lossless from my library?
Hi I am new to all the hi-res audio, I have an apple TV 4k but how do I connect it to my audio system? it only has an HDMI output which is connected into my tv, I have a Marantz M-CR612 would connecting my TV trough an optical cable to my receiver work? or do I need to purchase an AV receiver/separator?
Hi there, thanks for video. I was wondering if any way to connect Apple TV to my Audio Interface which is connected to Studio Monitor? I currently using iPad to connect Audio Interface to play lossless music.
Thank you for the video. Is there any way to enjoy my Apple Music to my stereo system without an Apple TV? In my living room where my Stereo system is there is no TV. Have used both Blu Sound Node and WiiM Pro to enjoy Roon.
This was great thanks! All 3 of mine were not set to lossless! On my early 4K units apps is there but it is not under system. I also noticed I had audio set wrong to not get Dolby Atmos. Match needs to be off so it will select Atmos if available. Mine was set to Dolby Digital. Unfortunately I’m unable to run Ethernet but I have 1 Gig wireless so guessing it’s enough.
Can you tell me your signal chain to listen to 2 channel music? Your Apple TV is connected to what and how is it connected? And then what is the rest of the chain and how is it connected? Trying to understand how to connect everything.
@@Audioholics still confused. You said you connected the Apple TV via hdmi to play music or movies? What would you need the Ethernet connection for…what type of data are you referring to? Thanks..
Agreed, thanks Gene. Embarrassed to say I missed that setting, on both of my AppleTVs ... I did take your suggestion, paused your video, and went and checked both of my systems (was in the middle of my breakfast at the time, Ha!). I was focused during setup to ensure the AppleTVs were set to support Dolby ATMOS and forgot about making this setting change. Thanks again.
Gene just a quick question I have a jvc tv ten years old with hdmi any chance of helping me here I’d like an amp with hdmi and sub output just a 2.1 system so I can control the volume with my Firestick 4K remote any ideas ? Amp or av amp any suggestions? By the way I’ve watched all your videos and I noticed you had a Yamaha dsp a3090 in your old days so did I lol great amp
Note that according to Apple any music downloaded BEFORE you switched to Lossless will still be played in AAC Lossy and not Lossless audio. I am told you will have to delete previously downloaded music and re-download to get Lossless files.
Hello from Istanbul, I watched your video with interest. If you don't mind, I'd like to ask a question: In 6.33 minutes of your video, you say you can only get lossless audio with an hdmi connection. On my speaker (Elac debut connex dcb 41) only usb b port is empty, I don't use it. Can I get ALAC audio if I output from the hdmi connection of my Mac mini m2 pro to the USB B connection of my speaker? This question is very important for myself and in terms of the equipment I plan to buy, thank you. ESC: Google translate ı m sorry. 😔
I've used both ATV4K from 2021 to the most recent. HDMI plugged into my Yamaha rx-a4a. AppleTV 4k has never ran sampling above 48KHZ. In addition, Dolby Atmos on ATV 4K streams at 48khz by way of ATMOS/PCM, not Dolby Digital or DD+. However, you could disable Dolby Atmos even is the track is Dolby Atmos, the playback will be 5.1. surround if Dolby Atmos is disabled. By the way, Yamaha does playback 24/48, 24/96 and 24/192 when streaming from Amazon Music through Fire Cube products, Quobuz, and Tidal through Nvidia Shield.
For Apple Music app, you have to remove spatial/Dolby right? I noticed that the quality worsens when the songs play in dolby atmos on my sonos arc w one SL's and sub.
Wow, glad I stumbled onto your channel. Now subscribed. In a similar vein, I use my old spare iPhone to extract lossless using Apple’s CCK and a DAC like the Dragonfly. Now with my USB-C iPhone 15, my primary iPhone, how do I do this? I’ve read one article that said I needed to change USB settings or something? As you love Apple Music, I’m hoping you have the answer. Thanks.
The AppleTV with Airpod max is pretty awesome for late night movies. It gives you that theater experience with spatial audio. Too bad the Airpod Max does not support lossless audio.
They're! We will just have to wait and hold out for Pro Max 2. The new AirPods Pro 2 (USB-C) version already confirmed having lossless although only for the Vision Pro headset so far, but it will come for sure to Apple TV
Sorry, it looks like it seems obvious to all of you but how do you connect the Apple TV to your audio system without going through your TV which most likely doesn't output 24bits/48khz ? I actually thought it was the point of the video.
Hi Gene, I have a question: do this works only if I play music on my receiver through two Chanel? If so, what about the sound from music concerts streamed by Netflix, for example Hanz Zimmer in Praga,, from Netflix
I have a Sony atmos soundbar with rear speakers HTA3000 connected to a Sony TV 65X80L and I’m an Apple Music subscriber. Planning to buy an Apple TV. my question is since my soundbar has only one input hdmi connection , I’ll have to connect the Apple TV to my tv. Will the lossless audio pass through to my soundbar.
I love Apple TV and usually have everything set up correctly but had no idea you had to choose lossless. Just changed it on ,y upstairs one and gotta do the downstairs one now!
Very informative. This was hidden setting i didn’t know off. Now it is working loss less is very good for most people hearing. High res is hyped too much then it should
This really works! I’ve been struggling with poor quality sound streaming Tidal over WiFi to my Naim Mu-so and instantly have proper hifi sound. Thank you 😊
Whats an AVR? How do you connect the hdmi to your stereo? (rca conectors only). Will my old purchased itunes tracks become losless HD? Isnt HDMI meant for a screen? I only want the music and not to have a screen turned on if its only music.
I was just grumbling tonight about the music quality of my AppleTV. I actually was testing playback of the same songs via CD and Apple Music to compare. Time to enable Lossless. Thanks for by the tips
My favorite streamer is the nVIDIA shield, but I also have a second generation Apple TV 4K and last year’s Amazon TV Fire TV 4K. I hope that Apple and Amazon will soon allow their devices to stream lossless audio from movie files as well as music files.
Depends which AppleTV you have. Up until the 4k the Ethernet port was limited to 100Mbps, so wifi is actually faster. I get the stability argument, but I've found wifi with a router located nearby to be more reliable with complex video. If you have a 4k AppleTV, then I'd do Ethernet.
So this wouldn’t work if I have the Apple TV going into my Sony tv via hdmi then out of the tv via an analog audio out into my reciever that only has analog inputs??
Thanks for this Gene. Sadly I've stopped using my ATV4K for music because it caps at 24/48 and those of us paying for Apple Music subscriptions know they have plenty of 24/96 and even some 24/192 content. So now when I want to listen to high res lossless, I use my Mac laptop to a Topping DAC and set the output to match the content via the Audio MIDI setup app on MacOS. I really wish Apple would allow their AppleTVs to support up to 24/192 since they have the files on the server. I do continue to use the ATV4K for Atmos music.
I totally agree. It's too bad ATV4K won't even just serve audio greater than 48kHz from a Mac. It's like capping the resolution of streaming video at 720p, or streaming photos at 500kb. Downsampling greater than 48kHz audio is even an unnecessary processing step... all it has to do is push the full resolution audio through the HDMI cable. The only redeeming factor is 16bit/44,100kHz audio is automatically upsampled to 48,000kHz. My workaround is streaming hi-res audio to my oppo disk player at full resolution, which works great though the interface isn't as elegant as the ATV4K. Seems like a missed opportunity for Apple, though it will be a reason to upgrade is they ever enable greater than 48kHz streaming in an updated ATV4K.
@@toneslotohnz4540I’d like 96KHz too, for the last smidge of quality on that rare album actually mastered in high quality, and so I can slow it down and remix it for fun… but it’s seriously not comparable to resolution or lossy compression bitrate. The reason they resample to 48KHz is almost certainly for some DSP, even quite limited. Many AV receivers even at thousands of dollars resample to 48KHz. If you can A/B 48KHz vs 96KHz blind I’ll eat a bushel of bats :) 256kbps vs lossless is much easier and most still can’t do it.
Can you explain what you said in layman’s terms? Want is this topping DAC? And how do you listen from your MacBook? I thought listening to Dolby atmos via Apple TV is the best possible way to get audio to my audio system
Is there any difference in sound quality between generation two and generation three?? The video seems to say generation three is better but that's processing speed and storage not sound quality.
Just saw video - GREAT insight. Yes my Apple TV, 4K Gen 3 was set for LOSSY 'HQ' audio. Switched to ALAC - thank you!!! Thank you for showing the path via Settings - Apps - MUSIC - Audio Quality!
Hello Gene. Question. I have gifs and gigs of ALAC Music in my Mac Mini Apple Music Library (what used to be iTunes) and my Apple TV can access that library. How can I get the Apple TV to play Lossless from my ALAC encoded music in my network?
Gene or any of the members, can you address this question. I have lossless in my "iTunes Library" , which I can stream into my Apple TV connected to my AVR. Will the Apple TV stream lossless?
I am an android user but I am quite interested in what you mentioned about atmos on apple music. I would love to know if the atmos on apple music is only 2 channel sound with height? Or is it mutli channel audio? Also what is the best way to use this? This apple box?
Thank you! I have 2 AppleTVs and one is the older generation and I had that one in the bedroom where the set up is less audiophile. I spent like 10 minutes trying to find this setting on the older gen and it was just not there. Check the one in the bedroom and bingo! Also, take your Apple TV on vacation with you if there is wifi and a TV with HDMI then it's so friggin easy. If only there was passthrough audio, but a boy can dream.
Thanks for this video, I wonder if Apple will ever make any changes to the SW to connect the Apple TV to an external DAC to get the max out of Apple Music subscription. In fact, Apple Music catalogue is full of very hi-res lossless track, but is very unfortunate that the only way to enjoy that quality, as of now, is to connect an iPhone to an external DAC :( Probably this can be also done with an ipad or a MACBook, but I did not have chances to test it out yet.
I have an appletv 4k for my ht with a soundbar, separate from my stereo setup where I usually stream music. I would have to get a separate small tv for that stereo just for lossless. Not sure its worth the hassle especially since my older receiver has basic hdmi, not arc.
On my AppleTV 4K updated to the last firmware version 17. whatever I don't get that option for Audio like Audio Quality, there's only Sound Check and that's it! So I'm wondering what are you talking about and which location this works?
correction at 4:00 Settings -> Apps -> Music -> Audio Quality
By the way, I dont have an apple TV but I am basing this info from how my ipad behaves. I just saw another video saying that the apple TV resamples music unlike the bitperfect iphone or ipad going out to a DAC.
Same, I just did it today and I am so impressed. Just listened to miles Davis -Sketches of Spain and rediscovered the album with nuances I did not hear before
Took me a second, but I figured it out.
Hey, what means asme? Did you mean asno?
Gene thank you very much for this I’ve been using Apple TV for years and usually I’m pretty thorough in diving into the settings. Unbelievably I missed this. I did switch to lossless and noticed a welcomed difference. Softer but more natural especially in the subtle notes of an orchestra played some music by Fabio Biondi classical and some John williams live in Vienna definitely impressed and improved. Thank you very much for your work. 👍🏻
I've owned the 3rd generation Apple TV for nearly two years, and I didn't know this. I checked, and apple music was not set on lossless audio. Thank you very much!!!
My GOODNESS!! Thank you Gene. I am a stickler for these things and I simply cannot believe I missed this. You’re right, it’s buried. Thank you for these invaluable tips videos.
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I've learned over time that the mastering of the actual music is far more important than bitrate. Now, having just said that Lossless 24bit/48kHz is a huge step up from 256 AAC and is a welcome bit of news.
@@roccobruno8027 my old ears hear the difference between 16 and 24 bit. I can’t really hear much difference above 48hz to say 96 or 192. So Apple TV works just fine for me.
Very helpful video. I Was searching for this setting for weeks. Apple has no official video on this😢. Thank you.
As an audiophile, what do you use to convert the audio to speakers? I noticed Apple TV doesn't have an audio output. So you're dependent on the DAC from your tv? Or are there other options?
Any amp with an HDMI input.
Thanks so much!! I wasn’t aware of this. What a huge difference in sound quality
Thanks for this video. It worked for me and now am set to lossless
Gene! Thank you. I was at Lossy and I didn’t know of this setting. Now it’s time to listen to music for the rest of the day. 😂
Thanks, Gene! Didn’t realize I was streaming lossy music. Made a big difference in my system.
Hey Gene, in Step 3 you can take out “system”, can just go settings to apps to music then audio quality
does it apply for homepod or SONOS beam?
thanks
Hey Gene .. my audio setting was on "High Quality" which I changed to "Lossless".. Thanks for the video 👍👍
meanwhile, there's a slight modification to be done in your video: its Settings > Apps > Music > Audio Quality .. and not Settings > General > Apps > Music > Audio Quality.
With all else equal (Apple music settings etc), will Apple TV 4K provide better sound quality than AirPlay2 via an iPhone - 2 channels music listening?
AirPlay sucks! Apple TV hardwire to your tv is the best way to listen to music. Obviously you need a good sound system. I have the Sonos system. Amazing
Thanks!!!
But can I give command to Apple TV through my phone, or I must play the music only from Apple TV remote control?
Was this feature there prior to the update? I was on lossy prior to update.
I cannot believe I didn’t know this. I have lossless downloads but never changed the Music setting.
Thanks Gene! Much appreciated!!!
Are you presenting an Apple TV interface for generation three or generation two?
I can confirm the interface is the same for both. Just make sure both are on the same tvOS version
The interface shown is tvOS 17.
@@TheoNicolakis what tvos17
@@iampuzzleman282tvOS is the Apple TV operating system. What Gene shows is version 17 of the operating system that has some minor changes over version 16.
Gene! You make my R700's sing! Brings tears to my eyes! Your Apple TV vids are magic. Cheers mate!
Using Ethernet, can you still control the Apple TV with your phone or tablet? Seems like that would limit you to only using the Apple Remote.
@@t.breeze8659 no difference
Do you have sound check on or off
Just turned it off from recommended comment here. I will report if it makes a difference.
Does this work with tidal?
Thanks for posting this video. Yes, both of my AppleTV units were not set for Lossless music.
Now the next step for me is to get an audio input preamp to take the HDMI from my AppleTV and feed it into my stereo. I have an old style high quality audio system which I plan to retain, but I just need an add-on to take the HDMI output from the AppleTV and use its DAC to put out an analog audio signal to feed into an AUX input.
Any reasonably priced recommendations?
Silly question, is there any role for a DAC if you have an Apple TV connected to a high end pre-amp?
Gene, what are your thoughts on Sound Check on or off? Do you think it will reduce dynamic range?
Leave it off.
Gene, does this information also apply to the Apple TV app that comes pre-installed on most Smart TV's nowadays?
I have an old standalone Apple TV (pre-4K), which I used before TV manufacturers started including Apple TV as a pre-installed app. At some point, I'm going to buy a new Smart TV, just haven't decided yet.
The reason I ask is because if I have access to the "Settings" menu inside the pre-installed Apple TV app on my Smart TV (i.e. I'm not sure if one would even have this level of access to the pre-installed Apple TV app to make any would-be changes), and if the pre-installed Apple TV app can output Apple Lossless audio, that would obviate the need (and added expense) of buying yet another outboard device. Not to mention the necessary additional HDMI and Ethernet cables to connect it all up.
Thank you.
This applies to the AppleTV 4K streaming hardware device with the Apple Music app on the AppleTV 4K
The AppleTV+ app that you find on smart TVs and other streamers is for the Apple subscription video streaming service and is separate from the Apple Music app which is included in the Apple TV streaming devices.
Mmmm, yea. I'm not sure to the degree just how "separate" the Apple TV app is from the standalone Apple TV box. Even with that, the AppleTV app still allows you to also stream Apple Music. Since that's the case, and to the point of my question, does it (also) allow you access to its "Settings" menu?
@@alvindawkins5700Quick and direct answer to your question is no. You need the actual hardware, which has certain algorithms that take advantage of the processor that's built into the box, upscaling, decoding, DV, HDR10+, 4:4:4, Atmos, DTS-X...
Gene or any of the members, can you address this question. I have lossless in my "iTunes Library" , which I can stream into my Apple TV connected to my AVR. Will the Apple TV stream lossless from my library?
Hi I am new to all the hi-res audio, I have an apple TV 4k but how do I connect it to my audio system? it only has an HDMI output which is connected into my tv, I have a Marantz M-CR612 would connecting my TV trough an optical cable to my receiver work? or do I need to purchase an AV receiver/separator?
What kind of microphone are you using??
Gene, with the latest ATV iOS update, are there any new setting recommendations for lossless audio AND video?
Wasn't on and I feel better about choosing an Anthem 710 a few years ago as my receiver!! Thanks!!
Can you tell me how you connect your AppleTV unit to your hifi?
I assume you mean physical connection, not wifi.
HDMI port. That’s the only physical thing that can send audio from it anyway.
From the Apple TV hdmi -> tv -> toslink optical -> AVR.
Is it still bit perfect? Does toslink down sample it?
Third generation Apple TV the black remote one?
No, silver one.
So I could use Apple tv as a music streamer? It sounds on par with the Eversolo??
Hi there, thanks for video.
I was wondering if any way to connect Apple TV to my Audio Interface which is connected to Studio Monitor? I currently using iPad to connect Audio Interface to play lossless music.
Thank you for the video. Is there any way to enjoy my Apple Music to my stereo system without an Apple TV? In my living room where my Stereo system is there is no TV. Have used both Blu Sound Node and WiiM Pro to enjoy Roon.
This was great thanks! All 3 of mine were not set to lossless! On my early 4K units apps is there but it is not under system. I also noticed I had audio set wrong to not get Dolby Atmos. Match needs to be off so it will select Atmos if available. Mine was set to Dolby Digital. Unfortunately I’m unable to run Ethernet but I have 1 Gig wireless so guessing it’s enough.
Is this video about movie sound quality or strictly Apple Music?? I don't listen to Apple Music does it apply to videos too?
Music only. th-cam.com/video/e0i52I79NaU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=2-kt3f3R9n-1c7uL
What should EQ on the app be set too ?
AFAIK there is no EQ.
Can you tell me your signal chain to listen to 2 channel music? Your Apple TV is connected to what and how is it connected? And then what is the rest of the chain and how is it connected? Trying to understand how to connect everything.
AppleTV hdmi connected to my AV Processor.
@@Audioholics Thanks. You mentioned the Ethernet connector? What is that for?
Ethernet is for data. I prefer hardwire over wireless whenever possible.
@@Audioholics still confused. You said you connected the Apple TV via hdmi to play music or movies? What would you need the Ethernet connection for…what type of data are you referring to? Thanks..
Agreed, thanks Gene. Embarrassed to say I missed that setting, on both of my AppleTVs ... I did take your suggestion, paused your video, and went and checked both of my systems (was in the middle of my breakfast at the time, Ha!). I was focused during setup to ensure the AppleTVs were set to support Dolby ATMOS and forgot about making this setting change. Thanks again.
What about setting the Apple TV to ATMOS... does that then default to ACC or Lossless when the track is only stereo?
Does this work with the Apple TV app and music app on the PlayStation 5
Yikes, not all of my Apple TVs were set correctly. Thanks for the tip!
Streaming from the Apple TV of Tidal app is that giving out hight quality?
Gene just a quick question
I have a jvc tv ten years old with hdmi any chance of helping me here
I’d like an amp with hdmi and sub output just a 2.1 system so I can control the volume with my Firestick 4K remote any ideas ? Amp or av amp any suggestions?
By the way I’ve watched all your videos and I noticed you had a Yamaha dsp a3090 in your old days so did I lol great amp
Wow! Thank you for this information. I had no idea. I also checked iPhone and iPad and it was the same.
Note that according to Apple any music downloaded BEFORE you switched to Lossless will still be played in AAC Lossy and not Lossless audio. I am told you will have to delete previously downloaded music and re-download to get Lossless files.
If you have an “Apple TV 4K” first gen on iOS 17 .. your settings apps music screen DOES NOT have these settings
Where are the settings then TvOs17?
I just checked. Mine doesn’t have it
It’s under Apps not system on my early 4K.
My AVR is connected via optical link (TOS) - will this work also for lossless? No HDMI-Input on my AVR.
Hello from Istanbul, I watched your video with interest. If you don't mind, I'd like to ask a question: In 6.33 minutes of your video, you say you can only get lossless audio with an hdmi connection. On my speaker (Elac debut connex dcb 41) only usb b port is empty, I don't use it. Can I get ALAC audio if I output from the hdmi connection of my Mac mini m2 pro to the USB B connection of my speaker? This question is very important for myself and in terms of the equipment I plan to buy, thank you. ESC: Google translate ı m sorry. 😔
I've used both ATV4K from 2021 to the most recent. HDMI plugged into my Yamaha rx-a4a. AppleTV 4k has never ran sampling above 48KHZ. In addition, Dolby Atmos on ATV 4K streams at 48khz by way of ATMOS/PCM, not Dolby Digital or DD+. However, you could disable Dolby Atmos even is the track is Dolby Atmos, the playback will be 5.1. surround if Dolby Atmos is disabled. By the way, Yamaha does playback 24/48, 24/96 and 24/192 when streaming from Amazon Music through Fire Cube products, Quobuz, and Tidal through Nvidia Shield.
Changing it to lossless is the first thing I did when I finally bought my first Apple TV last year
For Apple Music app, you have to remove spatial/Dolby right? I noticed that the quality worsens when the songs play in dolby atmos on my sonos arc w one SL's and sub.
Yea don't playback Atmos tracks on non atmos equipment. The downmix never sounds as good as the native stereo mix.
Thanks Gene, probably would not have found this myself.
Thanks for the setting info, mine was set to lossy.
Hi! Nice video :) i have a nvidia shield pro. How do I get lossless audio on that one? On tidal for example. Thanks!
Wow, glad I stumbled onto your channel. Now subscribed.
In a similar vein, I use my old spare iPhone to extract lossless using Apple’s CCK and a DAC like the Dragonfly.
Now with my USB-C iPhone 15, my primary iPhone, how do I do this? I’ve read one article that said I needed to change USB settings or something? As you love Apple Music, I’m hoping you have the answer.
Thanks.
The AppleTV with Airpod max is pretty awesome for late night movies. It gives you that theater experience with spatial audio. Too bad the Airpod Max does not support lossless audio.
They're! We will just have to wait and hold out for Pro Max 2. The new AirPods Pro 2 (USB-C) version already confirmed having lossless although only for the Vision Pro headset so far, but it will come for sure to Apple TV
Sorry, it looks like it seems obvious to all of you but how do you connect the Apple TV to your audio system without going through your TV which most likely doesn't output 24bits/48khz ? I actually thought it was the point of the video.
How 'bout using Airplay like in a streamer box, can I get lossless also?
Doubtful
Thank you so much for this info. I never new of that setting and I’ve had atvs for years lol
Will lossless work if I connect Apple TV gen 3 to Samsung TV and then Samsung TV to AVR over HDMI eArc? Thanks
Hi Gene, I have a question: do this works only if I play music on my receiver through two Chanel? If so, what about the sound from music concerts streamed by Netflix, for example Hanz Zimmer in Praga,, from Netflix
I have a Sony atmos soundbar with rear speakers HTA3000 connected to a Sony TV 65X80L and I’m an Apple Music subscriber. Planning to buy an Apple TV. my question is since my soundbar has only one input hdmi connection , I’ll have to connect the Apple TV to my tv. Will the lossless audio pass through to my soundbar.
Yea it should
I love Apple TV and usually have everything set up correctly but had no idea you had to choose lossless. Just changed it on ,y upstairs one and gotta do the downstairs one now!
Very informative. This was hidden setting i didn’t know off. Now it is working loss less is very good for most people hearing. High res is hyped too much then it should
This really works! I’ve been struggling with poor quality sound streaming Tidal over WiFi to my Naim Mu-so and instantly have proper hifi sound. Thank you 😊
Thanks Man! I followed your instructions and to my surprise. My Apple TV audio wasn’t setup correctly but thanks to you it is now. Thanks Again.
Hey Gene can you do a video like this for firestick too
Thanks again! Love y’all’s channel, always giving great tips.
Whats an AVR? How do you connect the hdmi to your stereo? (rca conectors only). Will my old purchased itunes tracks become losless HD? Isnt HDMI meant for a screen? I only want the music and not to have a screen turned on if its only music.
I was just grumbling tonight about the music quality of my AppleTV. I actually was testing playback of the same songs via CD and Apple Music to compare. Time to enable Lossless. Thanks for by the tips
Jus yesterday, I put Amazon music and Sirius in my Apple TV. I didn't listen to my Apple Music, but I'm certainly going to look into this.
My favorite streamer is the nVIDIA shield, but I also have a second generation Apple TV 4K and last year’s Amazon TV Fire TV 4K. I hope that Apple and Amazon will soon allow their devices to stream lossless audio from movie files as well as music files.
Is a wired connection truly necessary if you have fast WiFi? You heard and SAW a difference??
Ethernet vs. WiFi is a stability best practice.
Depends which AppleTV you have.
Up until the 4k the Ethernet port was limited to 100Mbps, so wifi is actually faster. I get the stability argument, but I've found wifi with a router located nearby to be more reliable with complex video.
If you have a 4k AppleTV, then I'd do Ethernet.
Ok so it’s only an issue if you get dropouts? It’s not like the picture and sound somehow improves?
@@krupkake1correct, assuming you have a stable WiFi connection with enough throughout.
@@1chrisrowethe 64GB Gen 3 AppleTV 4K is WiFi only. You’ll need the 128GB model for Ethernet.
So TH-cam cannot output lossless correct?
How old is Apple TV 4K 3. generation?
Can’t wait for this to be opened up to Spatial Audio. That will be amazing!
Congrats on having the most links for the audio genre.
Thank you for this video! I didn’t know I needed this and it’s been such a treat listening to 2ch music since this video. 🎉
So this wouldn’t work if I have the Apple TV going into my Sony tv via hdmi then out of the tv via an analog audio out into my reciever that only has analog inputs??
Thanks for this Gene. Sadly I've stopped using my ATV4K for music because it caps at 24/48 and those of us paying for Apple Music subscriptions know they have plenty of 24/96 and even some 24/192 content. So now when I want to listen to high res lossless, I use my Mac laptop to a Topping DAC and set the output to match the content via the Audio MIDI setup app on MacOS. I really wish Apple would allow their AppleTVs to support up to 24/192 since they have the files on the server. I do continue to use the ATV4K for Atmos music.
I totally agree. It's too bad ATV4K won't even just serve audio greater than 48kHz from a Mac. It's like capping the resolution of streaming video at 720p, or streaming photos at 500kb. Downsampling greater than 48kHz audio is even an unnecessary processing step... all it has to do is push the full resolution audio through the HDMI cable. The only redeeming factor is 16bit/44,100kHz audio is automatically upsampled to 48,000kHz. My workaround is streaming hi-res audio to my oppo disk player at full resolution, which works great though the interface isn't as elegant as the ATV4K. Seems like a missed opportunity for Apple, though it will be a reason to upgrade is they ever enable greater than 48kHz streaming in an updated ATV4K.
@@toneslotohnz4540I’d like 96KHz too, for the last smidge of quality on that rare album actually mastered in high quality, and so I can slow it down and remix it for fun… but it’s seriously not comparable to resolution or lossy compression bitrate. The reason they resample to 48KHz is almost certainly for some DSP, even quite limited. Many AV receivers even at thousands of dollars resample to 48KHz. If you can A/B 48KHz vs 96KHz blind I’ll eat a bushel of bats :) 256kbps vs lossless is much easier and most still can’t do it.
Can you explain what you said in layman’s terms? Want is this topping DAC? And how do you listen from your MacBook? I thought listening to Dolby atmos via Apple TV is the best possible way to get audio to my audio system
Is there any difference in sound quality between generation two and generation three?? The video seems to say generation three is better but that's processing speed and storage not sound quality.
Just processing speed and storage
One thing I'd add is, last I checked, the newest one was the only model to support the new karaoke features.
Gene thanks a bunch, just switched my Apple TV to lossless. God speed.
Just saw video - GREAT insight. Yes my Apple TV, 4K Gen 3 was set for LOSSY 'HQ' audio. Switched to ALAC - thank you!!! Thank you for showing the path via Settings - Apps - MUSIC - Audio Quality!
Hello Gene. Question. I have gifs and gigs of ALAC Music in my Mac Mini Apple Music Library (what used to be iTunes) and my Apple TV can access that library. How can I get the Apple TV to play Lossless from my ALAC encoded music in my network?
Gene or any of the members, can you address this question. I have lossless in my "iTunes Library" , which I can stream into my Apple TV connected to my AVR. Will the Apple TV stream lossless?
Fantastic! Thank you! I didn’t know till you making this video.
I am an android user but I am quite interested in what you mentioned about atmos on apple music. I would love to know if the atmos on apple music is only 2 channel sound with height? Or is it mutli channel audio? Also what is the best way to use this? This apple box?
Thank you! I have 2 AppleTVs and one is the older generation and I had that one in the bedroom where the set up is less audiophile. I spent like 10 minutes trying to find this setting on the older gen and it was just not there. Check the one in the bedroom and bingo! Also, take your Apple TV on vacation with you if there is wifi and a TV with HDMI then it's so friggin easy. If only there was passthrough audio, but a boy can dream.
Thank you sir. My phone was playing better quality music and was so confused , finally adjusted it
Your logo is a Square and Compass？
Can you get 8-Channel 5.1.2 24-bit/48 kHz ?
I’ve had Apple Music now for years. I had no idea that this thing was turned off on my Apple TV. Thank you so much!
Thanks for this video, I wonder if Apple will ever make any changes to the SW to connect the Apple TV to an external DAC to get the max out of Apple Music subscription. In fact, Apple Music catalogue is full of very hi-res lossless track, but is very unfortunate that the only way to enjoy that quality, as of now, is to connect an iPhone to an external DAC :(
Probably this can be also done with an ipad or a MACBook, but I did not have chances to test it out yet.
I have an appletv 4k for my ht with a soundbar, separate from my stereo setup where I usually stream music. I would have to get a separate small tv for that stereo just for lossless. Not sure its worth the hassle especially since my older receiver has basic hdmi, not arc.
On my AppleTV 4K updated to the last firmware version 17. whatever I don't get that option for Audio like Audio Quality, there's only Sound Check and that's it! So I'm wondering what are you talking about and which location this works?
I think the Shield Pro is the only streaming box that has Dolby TrueHD Atmos passthrough, through Plex for example
No streaming service supports TrueHD at this time so you're still not getting Atmos in Lossless on any streamer.
Correct, but through Plex you can “rip” blurays and get to that result