The Most Confusing AoE2 Technologies
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 พ.ค. 2023
- Have you ever been confused by these techs? I'd love to hear what you think about this disorder!
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The cannon in ballistics is shooting at a building. Something that can never move 😂
Italians actually get moving buildings. Source: Leaning Tower of Pisa
@@samwisegamgee8318 So do the Japanese. Source: Howl's Moving Castle.
And yes I'm aware about the original novel and it being set in a mythical version of central Europe, Mainly france but my point is based on the delightful Studio Ghibli adaptation... I am also aware that further explanation undermines my point but there is still a cannon on an archery based tech and this upsets me. Although I find peace in the fact that a dead players army is now hostile again, kind of.
Thanks for listening to my Ted Talk.
I should sleep.
@@samwisegamgee8318 fact : the Leaning Tower of Pisa is leaning because it dodges cannonballs like Neo dodges bullets in The Matrix. Bullet-time included.
Except with a weird mod. T90 did a video called "AoE2 Moving Buildings Mod!?"
Ballistics is even worse than you described. It depicts a cannon firing at a stationary castle. Not only are cannons unaffected, but the tech only affects moving targets.
Should be the outline of a running man, with a red crosshairs over it.
The Ballistics icon would fit Seige Engineers more...
@@tarille1043 exactly.
weird indeed. my only guess is the tech might have been created in another way, but eventually changed and there was no time (or need) to rework the icon.
I guess that during the developement process they just gave a task to an artist without much context, something like "draw a depiction of ballistics in late Middle Ages". Of course he or she drew a siege weapon firing on a castle. Because targeting even an immovable object on a large distance with a siege weapon wasn't an easy task back then, and that's what ballistics was used for back then. When firing arrows on moving targets, people used skill and common sence. This tech is derived from the first part of the game, alongside with some others.
I think the university techs should be made more confusing so you need a degree to parce through them.
lmao, you're an evil, evil man
Parce .. hmm
30% chance for a researching university tech to quit while upgrading because you didn't pass the class
When T90 mentioned Ballistics, I was 100% sure he was going to mention Thumb Ring. Thumb gives 100% accuracy, so even if you read the description you still don't understand why it isn't tracking units any better!
If anything, it should say 100% precision and not accuracy to be semantically correct.
@@_DK_- i second this.
Not that 9 year old me would have understood the semantic difference (or english)
This always got me - I researched thumb ring to get 100% accuracy. Ballistics increases accuracy - but my accuracy is already 100%!
Literally would have solved the problem if it just says increase accuracy against STATIONARY targets to 100%
I guess thats gonna be part of the confusing techs for even "advanced" players
What I personally find great about the Ballistics Icon is that it looks so gravely different from essentially every other tech icon in the game. Like, that thing isn't a AoE tech, that's a Yugioh spell card!
The Viper is about to send you to the shadow realm!
Yeah, somehow, it's the perfect icon for the tech, once you saw a video about it, because you know that it's the only tech you want in the university, and it's immediately the most visible XD
OMG IT DOES LOOK LIKE THAT
In the Spanish version, Logistica was translated as "Las catafractas arrasan a su paso" (something like: "Cataphracts raze on their path"). Everyone in my neighborhood thought that the cataphracts had an aura of destruction around them, and we would walk them all over the map, imagining that they would kill everything in their path.
Y realmente qué hace esa tecnología? Ayer mientras jugaba leí la descripción y no entendi jajaja
😂That’s amazing!
@@simonbago lo que recuerdo que hace es que el catafracta daña adicionalmente a las unidades enemigas que están muy cerca de la unidad que estás atacando. Eso los hace más útiles si por ejemplo estás atacando un grupo de arqueros que están todos juntos ya que hace daño a varias unidades a la vez. Lo que no recuerdo ahora es cuánto es el daño que hace a las otras unidades.
@@EstebanGrasso ahhh okok, tipo un daño por área. Que bueno mala la descripción
Yeah, I remember when I was like 10, I thought the same thing, so the translation into Czech was pretty much similar to that.
Just found out because of this video that docks have a second page. After a month of playing this game now i always wondered why my civs did not have fire ships lol. Thanks T90!
It happens 11
Thumb ring always confused me. I always wondered, "Does this apply to the archer line only? What about skirmishers? What about other archers? What if my special unit is an archer?" The tech says "archers" fire faster and I always felt like that was too vague.
100% agree
History context helps there - thumb ring was invented to help drawing the bowstring, so it applies to bow units
@@5astelija75 great because its a castle age research for xbows and also effect arbalasts, a mechanicaly cranked weapon
@@5astelija75 but it effects skirmishers
@@5astelija75 okay but why does it affect units that throw spears? History context makes this more confusing, but nice try
Still saying to this day that War Galley upgrade should be renamed to "War Ships". Quick, easy, and gets the information across that it affects more than just the galley line.
Thumb ring increasing archer fire rate was something I did not know for years.
Took a Spirit of the Law video for me to realize it a decade and a half late.
I also did not know it increased rate of fire til I found sotl. Honestly, it makes a hell of a lot more sense than increasing accuracy to 100%. That's not what thumb rings do at all. They're fucking thumb rings, not telescopic eyeglasses.
Yeah, when I was a kid/teen I used to think that Thumbring was a useless tech, because it said it would increase the accuracy to 100%, but it did not do that
how about Logistica giving Cataphracts a +6 dmg bonus towards infantry on top of their armor ignoring 5 aoe damage? Took me awfully late to realize
Does it affect cav archers also?
@@Real_MisterSir The only other game I played with trample damage was Rise of Legends, and it works by LITERALLY trampling enemy units, rather than giving the unit aoe on it's melee attack.
The heated shot one hits close to home, when I was a kid I saw onagers throwing incandescent boulders, so literal heated shots, and I wanted that too, and I could not understand why the technology that depicts glowing hot balls didn't give my onagers glowing hot balls. The fact that I barely knew any English back then didn't help.
This.
This right here
I started playing Age of Empires when I didn't understand english, and picked upgrades based on which icon was the prettiest. I got the basic grasp of what blacksmith and unit upgrades did, but research buildings (Temple, Gov't Center in 1, too) got reaaaaaally confusing. I picked random icons until my arrows started shooting flames, and then began to remember based on icon with funny-colored soup = Alchemy/Chemistry.
Same thing here.
Making things worse was the fact that I didn't realize that civilizational differences/bonuses was a thing & couldn't for the love of god figure out why the goths didn't have stone walls but everyone else did or why the byzantines somehow had more HP on their buildings.
Was I beginning to lose my mind or what was happening?!
Playing a chinese pirated copy of AoE2 back in the day when I was like 7 I have no clue what the fuck was going on (yeah technically it was translated, but then I was in elementary school then- that was also when my knowledge in chinese peaked). For the longest time I thought the skirmisher was a pikeman like unit (because shield and spear is a obvious combo in history and I think I was also influenced by Aoe1 to a certain extent), the spearman was a farmer (hey, he looked like he's holding a hoe and that thing on his back that looked like a hat looked like the traditional asian farmer cone hat thingy), and I could never beat the final level of the William Wallace campaign.
ahaha cute
@@MajesticOak lmao, but that's literally the tutorial
Funny colored soup lmaoooooooo
10/10
You have to remember that when this game came out in 1999 it had a manual we all read 37 times cover-to-cover, so we all knew what each tech did lol
Man I hope they rework the dock pages someday. Having fire galley on page 2 while trade cog is on page 1 is bonkers.
Also, ballistics description: archers gain 100% accuracy vs moving targets
The icon: a non-archer shooting at an immobile target
Another thing, if I recall correctly when you hover over an unit in the tech tree it lists all the upgrades it gets affected by. It would be cool if you bring that up in your videos when you mention these confusing upgrades
Alternatively they could move galley to page 2 and have that as the 'military' page, similar to villagers having 2 tabs for buildings.
Also, it doesn't give archers 100% accuracy vs moving targets. It gives them the same accuracy that they have against stationary targets
The one that confused me as a kid was when I read thumb ring and it said archers have 100% accuracy, I believed that the archers wouldn't miss.
With thumb ring they never miss what they aim at. They just don't always aim at the right spot.
Well yes but actually no xD
To add to the confusion: the cavalry armor upgrades, while not affecting all units on a horse, *do* affect some units *not* on a horse, such as Camel Riders and Battle Elephants.
and when researching bloodlines cav archers are suddenly considered cavalry again
T90 you are forgetting something very important about Heated shot...
Many years ago, you could research heated shot in a land map just because it was op against *camels* as they were considered a land ship
OGs remember melting ships with pikemen
It took me years to realize the devs had decided to remove that feature
The Ballistics Icon, I imagine, might've been designed with the Siege Engineers tech in mind first...
yeah, siege engineers looks like a wall being built, so I would assume it is a defensive tech, it even looks just like the masonry icon
That is actually possible. It could easily be repurposed artwork from something else. That is a pretty normal process.
The other two main possibilities I see are:
1) Ballistics had different effects when the artwork was designed.
2) An artist was told "draw some art for the "ballistics" technology without knowing what it did.
Or some combination of all three.
The mad lad did it. He finally released the most confusing techs video
Literally has been edging us on this drop for years
Im surprised you didn't add Logistica considering that after reading the description, you are still left confused about it's effect.
The icons thing has gotta be a case of the people who drew the pictures only having the name of the tech to base them on. You're making a historical game and someone says "draw me a picture for ballistics" so you draw a cannon. Someone says "draw me heated shot" so you draw a pile of heated shot even though you're using it for arrows (not sure if it affects bombard towers).
The left hand not knowing what the right hand is doing, I believe is the correct idiom.
Oh and don't even get me started on "chemistry". I played a lot of Civ, needing chemistry for gunpowder made total sense, nothing else it does makes sense. We were setting things on fire a long time before we knew why they went on fire good.
What confused me for a long time was the difference between Ballistics and Thumb Ring.
Here's how I explain it to myself:
Thumb Ring makes your archers hit where they aim (but they might aim for the wrong position, unless you have Ballistics).
Ballistics makes your archers better at aiming (but they might not hit where they aim, unless you have Thumb Ring).
I find it less confusing to be more precise. Ballistics makes archers lead a moving target
Thumb ring removes random dispersion
Thumb ring makes it sure to hit where it was aimed, ballistics are for moving targets, it anticipates the target position when the arrow lands.
Does it apply for cav archers?
@@vladlapadatescu yes, thumb ring benefits horse archers the most
Huh, I take most of these for granted since I've been playing this game for 19 years, and as a child I would read _everything_
But seeing with these "different" takes, I get how it might be confusing for new people just looking to play.
This is why taking a step back to consider the experiences of others is important (in game design and otherwise)
Same here dude. I was the type to fully read the manual front to back before even turning the game on.
What they should do is add icons of which upgrades the units have and which they are missing stay grayed out when you click a unit, instead of just the number stats.
Someone need to make a mod at least! :o And there is so much place to display them
Please do this content more often, we appreciate the effort that went into this
I didn’t know that the DOCKS had a SECOND PAGE till now 💀
xD
Did you start panicking when the enemy spam fireship
@@quakethedoombringer i thought it might have been a civ special unit 💀💀
Bro, I DISTINCTLY remember being 12 playing against my mate getting so frustrated with heated shot. It wasn't the arrows though it was the onagers; he was firing heated stone balls at me, I wanted to fire heated stone balls at him so I tried researching the heated stone balls upgrade and nothing! I had read the info on all of them and none say anyone about heating up onager shots, heated shot is so obviously the one that should do it. If they were trolling, they got me hard lol.
Sometimes i would get confused between masonry and siege engineers because the icons look similar
Wouldn't it be great if Ballistics affected a certain unit in the game that happened to share some of the same name that also may or may not be astride a large creature?
When I started the game i kinda freaked out that I could research a tech in the archery range that says "archers fire with 100% accuracy" and my archers still miss every single shot against moving targets....
And they even miss more often, because before researching it you still had a chance for a stray shot to hit someone, but now as the arrows are shot with 100% accuracy in the wrong direction, they will always miss.
The way upgrades work certainly took a while to get used to and caused some dissapointment for me. Like the TC getting extra attack from fletching, like the other defensiv buildings, but not gaining extra range. Yet the bombard tower range increases because of fletching, bodkin and bracer? It`s a canon ball while the TC actually uses arrows. I understand it somewhat from a balance perspective, but it is not intuitive. Also bombard towers benefiting from ballistics, when gun powder in general doesn't. Something's up with these canon balls...
To be fair: Back in the day heated shot had it's purpose on land maps.
Your TC and Castles would kill camels more effectively as they had (for whatever reason) the ship armour type....
Did you know that that was based on a pun? Camels are often called "the ships of the desert" because of how they walk, moving both legs on each side forward together, unlike horses, who move the legs on opposite corners together. This gives them a very specific gait, which feels like being on a boat to the rider, swaying from side to side.
Also, horses are afraid of camels (because of the smell, apparently), which is why the camels units have a bonus against mounted units in game.
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I play exclusive Mongols because I am scared to play anything else and want to focus on one civ and get good. Imagine my face playing this game on and off since HD and always upgraded the cav armour for my Mangudai and not the archer armour. Hundreds of hours and this was not known to me. This has explains literally everything on my frustrations so much more.
Sooo…. You didn’t realize all those years since HD came out that your Mangudai’s armor kept unchanged after researching the wrong armor type? I wouldn’t blame a confusing technology for that…
Mangudai is a unit that needs one of the most upgrades. I know what the upgrades are and I will always forget one at least
i get it if this happens once or twice, but dont you look at your units stats? You see if the upgrade changes them or not....
Haha same here, and for some people who are suprised we don’t look at the unit stats and don’t see a difference. In the middle of the game I don’t have time to look at my unit stats to see +1/+/3 change to +1/+4. Heck I still struggle with understanding the stats. I know what upgrades to go for. I’m not a stats guy, I know what I should go for. If my units die quickly while I think I have armor the lesson I learned is: this unit is sheit
@@bont3 your first game ever surely wasnt a ranked game and vs bots you have all the time in the world to look at stuff
I'm gonna go buy aoe2 just so I can research heated shot on a land map.
I remember back in the day, I *always* picked up heated shot. Not because I wanted my arrows to start burning, but simply because it looked like a powerful tech 😄
I only learned about cav archer armor from T90 within the past year. for YEARS I thought they needed the cavalry armor.
I mean - you try it once, see that they are not affected. So you try something else next. Right?
@@tomscorpion6288 no, the next step is I think cav archers just suck. Most of us didn't know enough at that point to check the stats for upgrades.
8 years of talking about it and he finally makes the video
Heated Shot should only be a naval tech. If you're trying to be realistic.
Ships-of-the-line sometimes had a furnace in the ship to heat up cannonballs prior to loading them in a cannon. Yes you could do this in a castle during a siege but this almost never happened in historic land battles .
Also this was fun to watch and learn along. More little tid bits from t90 please !
The reason Heated Shot works like that in AoE2 is in AoE1 towers were severely underpowered against ships (whole navy was ridiculously overpowered in AoE1 anyway). So developers needed to give towers some edge in the sequel.
When I was a kid I saw the Gold Shaft Mining tech and spent hours trying to figure out how to go underground
Fun fact: I played in the french-language version of AoE 2, age of conquerors as a kid. The translation was a bit wacky sometimes, and thus "heated shots" was called something like "projectiles on fire"... Even more confusing!! (Also the theocracy technology was veery badly translated, if I remember well, it said that only one monk *survives* when a group of monks convert an enemy unit)
The editing in this is great. Some good memeing but not over-done. Well done!
Well, back in the day heated shot turned camels from cardbord to toilet paper when around towers or castles.
Genuinely enjoyed the quality of this video. Also happy I already knew which techs would be discussed before I clicked the video. Great and fun editing!
aaaand the winner is: Heated Shot
I dunno for how many years back in the day this had fooled me.
Compliment on the editing btw!
I remember how I was shocked when in 2003 I was playing against ai random civs and Vikings shredded me on water with their longboats. I knew that unit but thought it was available in scenario editor like all those heroes. And then seeing it in a regular game blew my mind. Then I was trying to get it and I played with Vikings for few hours trying different techs and nothing worked. It was few months later that I discovered the second dock page
the production of this video is fantastic, great job T90 and hardy
Please tell me I'm not the only one, who was like "weird that they put a nacho as icon for the heated shot upgrade" until DE came out with better resolution on that.
Okay, so, playing devil's advocate here, I think heated shot is a pretty reasonable tech; in terms of historical accuracy, at least, it's not far off. Heated shot refers to heating up cannonballs (things fired from a cannon were called shot, it wasn't used to refer to projectiles in general) before shooting them at boats to light the boats on fire, and it was fairly common in naval warfare during the Age of Sail. The image is also of red-hot cannonballs, so it makes sense to me that it works on ships.
Now, most Age players aren't nerds in the same way I am, so they obviously wouldn't know this, and I can definitely see why it would be VERY confusing for people who don't know that kind of thing. However, I don't think it's necessarily a bad decision, since it IS more historically accurate in its effect than most Age techs (though for maximum accuracy it would also work on BBCs and cannon galleons). I'm not really sure what they could do to make a tech based off of the historical thing that was called "heated shot" more intuitive for people who don't read the description.
The game was made in a time where it was expected you would read everything. Including the manual that came with the game. So I never had these problems. But I could see how it could cause confusion.
I had the game at the release of aoe2, and I discover few years later hidden bonueses. When it was written in game book pikeman are efficient against cav, I believe that it was because pikeman have a better mêle armor Than piercing armor.
Literally went through the handbook for AoK and AoC dozens of times. Even manually counting and putting to paper which civs had access to how many techs overall. I believe Byzantines and Chinese were "the best" in my kid mind, only lacking 10 each if I'm not mistaken.
When I started to play the game I had various issues but I never had problems with this stuff because I was always reading the descriptions.
9:47 Crazy idea....this might be confusing, but, as it turns out: games sometimes have options in them. We could, just maybe, make new icons but then there could be an option to go to the "classic" icons if you prefer them. I mean...just sayin.
I don't know what I enjoy more - this video, or knowing that T90 can now reference this video every time he sees someone making one of these mistakes
I think a confusing tech is the spanish unique tech that upgrades villagers, supremacy or sth. It doesnt even say what it does. It just states: YO have some exceptional combat stats.
Ballistics -> Male units have bigger balls (fearless in battle)
Herbal Medicine -> HER balls grow (the female villager / gbeto are fearless in fight and have lower voice)
Chemistry - Your units get along, they argue less with each other
Logistica -> Your units make more logical arguments
Spies -> The food you gather becomes more spicy (makes for tougher warriors obviously)
Arquebus -> Creates somekind of a weird car that is arquably a bus
Redemption -> Your units become RDR2 characters
Blast Furnace -> This will absolutely blast your furnace off the map (good if you hate furnaces)
Keep -> Click on it if you want to keep upgrading
I really love these meta videos about the game. It's a nice break from the gameplay videos (which I still do love!) I hope you make more of these and others like the building details video.
Does heated shot work on any land units? I remember somewhere that some units code as ships or vice versa
for the longest time I thought:
You could only get cannons by researching ballistics + Chemistry and then fire arrows came with heated shot, so I always researched all three at once. Later I found out the truth and all my friends told me that it 'used to work' like I thought in 'the beta.'
Note, none of them played the beta. They were kids like me. It was always 'my friend' or 'my cousin' pfft.
great video T90, as a new player i think the most confusing thing is definitely trying to figure out the upgrades, like what upgrades work for elephants or for special units? Every time i start making my special units I just end up researching all the upgrades because who the hell knows which one upgrades what lol
SUPPLIES! A tech that is clearly always necessary.
Everyone gets an apple (all troops visit the doctor 100% less frequently) and one guy gets an extra sword (100% attack increase for one randomly-selected infantry unit who then gets to dual-wield). Pretty sick tech 11
Basically, SECONDS after saying he would make this video, T90 makes this video. Good job.
Couldn't have been any more than 252288000 seconds. :)
T90, this is awesome, not the content itself, that's just good solid content, but that a community leader gets off their already lowriding horse and thinks about/talks about/raises awareness about issues new players face, pros and veterans don't even think about anymore. I love this community because most people are really nice but even then you manage to stand out with pleasent content. Thank you T90!
Great video, T90.
A related video I think would be helpful would be confusing unique technologies or upgrades to unique units.
Thanks for all your great videos as always!
is there a mod to change the icons to something more in line with what they do?
It would be good to have an option that changes the tech names and descriptions to new and unambiguous ones, but you can always toggle this option out to keep the legacy names for those who are now familiar with them
Btw, the AOE4 approach on armor techs is better: increase melee or ranger armor in all units. Unfortunately icons are very boring
Cav armour and cav archer was something I always mixed up. Then again. I researched everything when I was a kid. No water, but a full navy researched in a pond
I used to be confused by Heresy. For an embarrassingly long time I thought it meant my monks would kill enemies instead of converting them. That sounded worse so I never researched it! As a kid I thought heated shot was the way to get the glowy onager projectiles because they're in the icon!
*"Logistica" has got to be on a list like this.*
First of all, it has nothing to do with logistics, so already the name is misleading. Then when you read the description, it says the UU does "trample damage" - but the effect has nothing to do with trampling enemies. It also doesn't explain how it also adds a hidden +6dmg bonus specifically towards infantry. Why just infantry? Why not archers and villagers too? And how does damage to adjacent units result from trample? Trample means running over the person who is in your way, not the people on the side/behind you.. There is literally nothing about this tech, it's naming, nor its effect, that makes sense. And to date I'd wager it's one of the most misunderstood techs in the game by new players, as it's literally impossible to decode what it does without looking it up on the internet.
This is great! Would love to see more informative content like this!
I think something that is also important is that not everyone has the additional detail on when you hover over a unit/tech. I don't think that's on by default. So even if they wanted to read the techs I'm not sure if they would see the education that it only effects ships etc.
Heated shot is even worse than that, because the icon is a bunch of heated cannonballs that look exactly like the heated cannonballs that mangonels/trebuchets shoot after they get chemistry. I spent a long time researching heated shot and thinking it was effecting those cannonballs before I noticed it had no effect on them.
I have a different problem with heated shot - the picture is a pile of canonballs, so presumably it affects your canons. But no, it affects the arrows on your towers and castles instead
I've played this on and off for years, and I've always known what heated shot was for from the description, but I still find myself having to resist the urge to click it. The icon just looks so pretty.....
In C&C Generals, when you click on a unit, the UI in the bottom right shows all the upgrades that are available for that unit, with it being slightly darkened or greyed out if it has not been researched yet. Implementing such a thing in AoE2 would make it easier to see which upgrades can be applied to your units, as well as the bonus of making it easier for casters etc to tell what hidden upgrades a unit has. I know for me it is one of the biggest, if not the only, QoL features I am missing in AoE2 compared to the one other RTS game I've played a lot of.
He actually did it finally. The long awaited video. The promised land.
I didn't realise Ballistics affected normal archers, too, I thought that was what thumb ring was for.
I think another thing that makes techs more confusing is that in CD, the whole info pop up happened when you moused over it by default. That no longer is the default in DE.
Thanks T90, I didn’t own a computer growing up, played StarCraft on my dad’s work computer. Everything else was console. Just a year ago a buddy of mine talked me into AOE 2, it’s now our game of choice….20 years later. 😂 I might have missed the first window for this game, but I’m here for the resurgence. Love the game, love your content. I hope this never grows old for you and the community. It’s an amazing game of technique, intelligence, strategy, and perseverance. The amount of games my buddies and I almost called multiple times before winning, … I don’t even know. Keep it up T90.
These are all great, but if you make a follow-up, you should cover skirmisher/genitour upgrades! None of the standard armor/attack upgrades, thumb rings, ballistics, etc. mention that they are affected.
OH MY GOODNESS, I never realized the treachery of the ballistics icon!!! 😵
I had a moment where I learned that Cavalry Archers don't use regular Cavalry Armor, at least it was a 2v2 game with a friend vs bots
When I was a kid I always thought Heated Shot was what made my arrows fire and didn't realize it wasn't until way later... It doesn't help that the icon uses the same fire balls that you see from a mangonel and onager with chemistry
Yeah what’s with those balls? The fact that there are balls doesn’t clear up anything. This tech should have an icon with a ship on it that gets wrecked by a tower.
I didn't run in any of the traps described here. BUT: I started playing when AoK came out. With nonexistent internet that meant only playing vs. AI, allowing me to press pause and take my time to read each and every description before clicking. I can easily see players who jump immediately into multiplayer get all of these wrong.
And even with reading everything it was not all immediately clear to me. Thumb Ring stated that your archers don't miss. I did not understand that this meant stationary targets only. I never researched ballistics to aid my archers, only for turrets, ships etc. And that sh*t with conqs needing archer armor was only an educated guess on my part and watching the numbers before and after research. Nobody got time for that in multiplayer.
I even researched heated shot once to get flaming arrows, despite reading the description and knowing it didn't improve my archers. But I still thought it was the tech for making that grafics change and I wanted my archers to be cooler. Chemistry was queued after that but still ...
And getting to DE I was looking for the fireship upgrade, not knowing they put all 3 upgrades in one tech. Therefore I believed for a moment, that my civ didn't get the upgrade. Double checked the tech tree and found out then. Again: Ain't nobody got time for that in ranked!
Hardy, this editing was amazing!
question... Do Teutonic Knights benefit from militia upgrades from the barracks?
Heated shot used to do extra damage vs. camels, so before DE there were some situations where it was useful on land maps.
They are ships of the desert after all...
After all this time, this video is released. It has been promised since ancient times (or at least since I follow T90 😉)
did not know the dock had a second page till this video and I nearly cried
For me most confusing thing is how come fair maiden can chop trees as good as muscular lumberjack. What are these women, Heather Swansons or something?
Not only does ballistics have a cannon on it, it's shooting at a castle, which I'm pretty sure don't move
I kind of wish for years that coinage/banking would also provide a passive "relic-equivalent" trickle of gold. Like compound interest. It would make it at least situationally useful in 1v1. It would also open up potential civs bonus (like for saracens) that could get this tech for free reaching castle/imp.
Heated shot has cannon balls on its icon and it affects towers, castles, harbors, kreposts and donjons which shoot ARROWS
This was a funny video, I love the editing, especially the cav armor math.
The heated shot thing is super confusing if you're well versed in history
and TBH it's only really a cannon thing, that's why the icon is hot cannon balls
if you've ever seen the Horatio hornblower series they mention at one point "hot shot" using furnace heated cannon balls to better damage a ship
The ballistics thing is certainly confusing too, as a kid I though it was only for like siege engines or cannons, but nope it upgrades ALL your archers
it's so weird lol
A long time ago, I was VERY confused by ballistics and Thumb Ring. I read how thumb ring gives 100% accuracy, and figured that would make my archers awesome. It wasn't until MUCH later that I figured out ballistics actually did the thing I wanted, entirely because of the misleading thumbnail.
Been playing for 20 years, didn't know about: cav archers not benefiting from cav armour and fire arrows with chemistry giving more attack. 😅
What second page in the docks?
They really should re-do the confusing icons and just have a setting you can tick on for "classic icons" in the game settings. Have the updated icons on by default for new folks, but give an option to switch back if you're used to it. Oh, and rename "War Galley" to something like "War Ships", something, anything to make it more clear.
At this point it's muscle memory and consuming a bunch of AoE2 content that keeps me from researching the wrong stuff, but starting out it's a pain. The game can get stressful enough without confusing techs lol.
Not really a technology thing, but when I was a dumb-ass kid I often built stables when wanting to go for cavalry archers before realizing my mistake.
Even nowadays I have to pause for a second before remembering where they're actually created.
I found this interesting :) Thanks!
Yepyepyep, I thought heated shot was the one that made my archer shoots fire arrow....for the longest time. I think I figured out after watching one of your vid about heated shot and ship bonus (or it might be SotL's) and that made me read it again in details. Turns out it was chemistry..
It eludes me for a long time because by the time I research chemistry, heated had always been researched so it made sense to me for the longest time...
Reading bad?
Units have a list of upgrades that affects them that shows up when you hover over them in the building, and it even lists which building is the Said upgrades are.
The upgrades also show a summary of the effect they grant at the end of their tool tip.
I know during competitive games you don't have the luxury to stop and read, but ffs, you can train yourself in the single player mode or the campaign. Then you just need to memorize the upgrade patterns
(Saying me who played RoR far more then rise of kings, and RoR didn't have these fancy tech trees or unit upgrades list)