I started using these techniques and am able to do get more drills done with no brake. If I get to 1500 RPM I always try to get lower. No more 3 grand while not moving and brake squeak. These drills are free and valuable
Thank you Sir I have dropped my bike a few times and here Recently I dropped and bike caught my left Ankle and Fractured it I am healing . But have to learn to use the clutch the proper way . 2 years ago you was in Kingswood giving lessons at our WTFR'S celebration that day wish I would knew now what i didnt know then .But won't give up I'm 53 and proud to learn from you my friend .
You are welcome! I love doing those events at dealerships! WTFR's is an awesome club and im proud to be associated somewhat with them. Luis is a good friend of mine. Hope you heal quickly! Train hard, Ride safe!
Another revelation: that the bike actually wants to stand back up and go straight, and that you actually have to force the bike to turn and lean. In my 'intuitive' mind I think that when I Iean it and turn, gravity will take over and it will drive it straight into the ground. But the enertia (600 lbs) wants to stand the bike back up like a gyro. wow. I saw in one vid of yours where you turned such a tight turn, that the bike scraped, and just simply ground to a halt. Impressive amount of confidence in the limits of the machine. My point is that I fear scraping the ground, but I see that it is actually tougher to do then I thought, and that I will negotiate a sharp turn way before I scrape.
I taught my son how to ride his dirt bike just like you explained. The first day he got it I told him not to give it gas at all, put it in gear and use the clutch only. Within a day he was riding and shifting gears.
Thank you, it’s like I have been enlightened!! I once took an “advanced riding techniques” course (low speed manoeuvring), and at the end of it, I almost felt a little scammed. Essentially, what they taught was: in order to perform those techniques, you’re gonna have to abuse the shit out of your bike…. revs up, ride the clutch, and ride the rear brake. So that’s all I knew; the method works - but I never use it because I wouldn’t normally treat my bike like that!
I have just found your video. Your methods and techniques differ some from others who use a lot of clutch and brake, but I'm liking your advice better. I was mastering many maneuvers on my Indian Scout, but now that I have an Indian Chieftan, I'm having to learn and become comfortable with these maneuvers all over again. Thank you for publishing your video online for us all who wish to improve their riding skills.
Thanks for all the great information. I went to a local parking lot today and practiced your methods. I intend to get really good at this. I have a ways to go! 3 parking space U turns. But it will get better. Also, I am riding an Indian Roadmaster, so not a small bike, but I think it is important to be proficient on what you ride. Thanks for sharing and helping us become better riders!
When I 1st learned of the hi Rs, ride rear brake technique, I thought "that has to be brutal on the clutch and the brake." Your teaching is completely different than the other fella and just as, if not more effective. Thank you very much for your insight, wisdom and expertise. You and your mc police buddies really have these big ol hog's mastered!
Sorry to hear that! Robert Simmons is a friend and endorser of ours. Raising RPM's can burn a clutch so be careful with that. We teach Total Clutch Control first, then proper throttle engagement and then proper use of the rear brake. This method will not wear and tear a bike and allows you to practice for hours without heating things up.
This is a great find, I don't have to put undo wear on my bike by practicing. Alot more people would practice these techniques if they new about total clutch control. What I like also is I have alot less things to concentrate on. No more RPM's to watch or brake pressure to feel. So much less to coordinate.
This is amazing. I noticed that most of the riders in the Grand Prairie Spring Classic MC Rodeo last month were going through the patterns at extremely low RPMs. So glad I found this.
Goodmorning Officer, amazing video I tried this drills asap after I viewed it, this is coming from a guy who doesn't know u turns or tight turns. After an hour of Training I was able to do 20ft u turns and doing circles just trusting my clutch alone thx u so much for this I owe u my confidence, I wish you guys are close by. But I'm in Ontario Canada too bad lol or else I'll be on all your classes Thanks again!!!
This makes so much more sense to me than trying to balance throttle and brakes while in the friction zone. I just took my beginner MSF course, 12:53 and they taught us to use the friction zone for slow-speed maneuvers, but it just seemed unnecessarily complicated. It just seems so much simpler and easier to fully engage the clutch before applying any throttle. I could see mixing them for micro-adjustments during a turn, but it doesn't seem like a sensible primary strategy to me. Idling speed is often sensible for these meanuevers anyway. If it's too slow, just add a little throttle. If it's too fast, cut a little bit of clutch and micro-adjust with throttle. In practical scenarios, there's a lower limit to the percentage of idle clutch engagement that people are going to want. Nobody's inching through curves at 10% power deliver < 1 mph in anything but the most academic of exercises (maybe on a dirt bike?). Even by the end of my beginner course, I felt much more comfortable engaging more of the clutch sooner for more speed. I don't know why anyone would be so afraid of idle speed in 1st gear that they would need to minimally engage the clutch while applying significant throttle and brakes. The only reason I can think of for teaching beginners that method is to avoid stalls caused by poor clutch control, but I would rather just practice clutch control up front, seeing as how it's important even for just getting off the line.
I was voted top rider at the motorcycle course in Carrollton Texas in 08 and you are right about the guys that sound like they dont know how to ride... I never understood that "preload" guy.... I have a HD ultra limited and a HD dyna street bob. Great video.
Hello, thanks for the positive comments. The preload guy is Robert Simmons. He is a good guy and a friend. yes his techniques are very different than mine but his message is the same, Train! Jerry "motorman" who is also a friend teaches a different technique but has done so much for the motorcycle community in promoting training its crazy, but the message os the same, Train! Train hard, Ride safe! Thanks again for the positive words!
@@motorofficertraining I have respect for all bikers and instructors so don't think I'm talking down on anyone I just see things in a mechanical way so I feel like you... No need to put extra stress on your machine. Unless there's a redneck woman looking at ya then let them pipes sing 😂😂😆
This is my single favorite video-precious knowledge! I’m a big, big fan of Simmons, Paladino, Fast Eddy (Motojitsu)-they are all masters, and I watch all their videos-but your method sets a new bar. I’m going to come down to Texas (from Colorado) and train with you later this summer. YOU ROCK, JAY! (P.S. I have no damage despite many drops, thanks to you!)
Thank you sir! I have been teaching this for over 10 yrs. Finally trying to really make a steady effort to concentrate on TH-cam, so hope you help share us with others each week.
Jay really like the no throttle or controlled clutch just covering the rear brake if needed look forward to more videos. Larry Austin The black powder drop guards look great and takes away.all practice skills
The initial exercise, I can tell already, is exactly what I need to do to get that experience/confidence to then go to a full circle. Just watching you do it, I felt I could do that. I need to 'feel' that it wont fall over. This is a big breakthrough for me, along with the validation that I also will be more scooted forward in the seat. Staying laid back is not a good balance point. Scooting is better, for sure. Hell just like on a dirt bike or a kids bike, slow turns work well when standing on the pegs.
Hi Jay, another great instructional video that really breaks things down clearly. It's good to see the multiple passes. When I see your hand is off the throttle and resting on the screen it all starts to make perfect sense. I very much enjoy watching your videos.
I learned with clutch, throttle and feathering the rear brake. This now has me very curious. I'm eager to learn how to be proficient without the rear brake or much throttle. I like challenges lol.
I found your channel while searching for an answer as to why I would want to rev the engine, slip the clutch, and drag the rear brake just to maintain the same speed that I could just coast at with the clutch open at idle. As a mechanic, the friction zone/brake method seems inefficient and harmful to the clutch and brake lining. I'm still not sure why some are still teaching that, unless it's a holdover from the days of poorly runed carburetors. Thank you for these simple methods!
Thinking about the amount of wear and tear that's put on my machine using the clutch, brake and throttle, I've been practicing the "total clutch control" (TCC) method in stead of the "preload and keep it loaded" method. The "preload and keep it loaded" technique has its practicality in certain situations but definitely not as a go-to for every slow speed maneuver scenario! I actually feel much more comfortable and in control of my motorcycle after practicing the TCC methods.
It works! Tjats why bramd new riders are making 18 foot u turns, 18 foot tight circles and completing motor offocer size patterns quicklynas opposed to 22-26 foot u tirns and huge circles in the snowman pattern. What can i say? It works extremely well. Thanks for watching and hope you will subscribe and share!
Great video. Impressive techniques and teaching style. I just upgraded from a Yamaha XVS650 after two years to a Suzuki Boulevard C109R 1800cc which is much bigger and heavier. I really enjoy car park drills and developed good skills and confidence on the Yam. Now feeling the difference in mass and weight with the C109, I'm having to overcome some of those early fears again and manage the subtle differences required with bigger bikes. Your video really helped.
Thanks you for such such specifics on something so important. You do seem to have amazing balance. My bike even in friction zone seems to idle pretty high this should work.. but at around 5:59 u say when u get enough momentum to bring the second foot up that is inherently different feeling for everyone I guess? My personal sticking point..You almost seem to be at a standstill, amazing 🖤😅🙏💪
Do you happen to have a local DMV in your area? They make for excellent practice areas. Plus, most likely, they already have painted lines to practice their test maneuvers as well.
Hi Jay, I have watched a few of your videos, interesting to compare with Robert and Jerry! I know this video is a few months old but I hope you are still monitoring the comments. Here is my observation…. When you initiate any turn you give the front wheel a little flick opposite to the intended turn to get the gyro effect started. I think this might be missed by the casual/beginner rider and it would be great if you could include a full explanation each time you demo any turn. Thanks. It might even need a full video to get the point across.
Could you do a video on how you balance yourself on the bike so well? Do they teach motor officers special techniques or drills to keep your body weight even and balanced? Thanks for the great videos!
Great choice of machines to demonstrate on. I REALLY APPRECIATE this video. I've completed (most recently Lock and Lean 301) and love this video. I practice 3-4 times weekly and like having some new practice ideas. I hope to run into you at a competition. #hairpolice #2019flhtp #beckythebarber
Thanks for the lesson! I noticed you sit up towards the tank. Can this be done as easily while sitting back in the seat? For me I think I would like to practice the way I will be riding. Or does that come later? Thanks again!
Hello, it can be done sitting in a regular seat and back. I ride the way i ride sitting high at all times first because it places me center of gravity, but also due to my left arm being 2 inches shorter and i also cant rotate it so it makes it easier to try and handle the bike. Thanks for watching!
Keep your ass glued to the seat (always used to be a hard thing for me), remember movement comes from the hips, the most balanced part of you and the bike, not up high from your upper body!
Love your videos - thank you for doing these! A quick question - does the low-end idle torque of the big Harley make it easier to start up with clutch only (no throttle) compared to other bikes? I have stalled my Goldwing 1500 by trying to start up with no throttle (and it is in good tune and idles properly) Since then, I have always added a bit of throttle upon starting, as one time I stalled right in the middle of an intersection with cars approaching. Thanks!
@motor officer training Nice - now that is Mastery! After some studying - I agree with your reasoning and technique.....and would like to do better on my bike. Couple of questions though. Only so that I can trust my bike (HD Road Glide) will totally do what you're doing. What is your idle RPM set at? Did you modify your clutch (springs) or replace the OEM clutch with something else? Thanks
IDLE RPM = 950-1000. and I never modify anything on my bikes at all, I ride them as stock. I do have a new bike I just recently put Rhineharts on for the first time ever, and added saddle bag bars to be able to protect the whole bike with motorcycle drop guards. Train hard, Ride safe!
Hello. I'm late in asking a question, but i just now found this video. I am 68 and own a HD ultra limited. I was pretty good at making tight turns and circles after taking the advance rider course several years ago, but i'm quite rusty, and have to admit, a bit scared at making these tight maneuvers. I hope to go out to a vacant parking lot and give your techniques a go. Maybe you covered this and I missed it, but what causes people to drop their bikes when doing these skills? I know the front brake is a killer, but what else? If my memory serves, we were taught not to look immediately in front at the ground, but to focus on where we wanted to go? Thanks--great video!!
I have a question, I went on your website and under class information, it said to take the course you needed a Harley or Indian style touring bike. If a student were to bring any other kind of bike or rent a touring bike, would that be acceptable to take the course?
This training is set up for Touring Size Bikes. I have students show up on smaller bikes, which is fine, but again it's set up to attain a skill level of handling a big bike with ease very quickly. Students are always amazed by how we train and are surprised in what they learn very quickly. I would suggest a Touring bike even for a brand new rider. A road King is the perfect bike for even a new student to train with as we do it all the time.
I'm a little confused. you keep saying engage the clutch?? Does that mean pull towards the handle? Or does that mean release the clutch outwards?? Sorry for the dumb question. Love your videos.
I was at idle while doing swing and sway. On the cone weave i was at a high enough speed i could control to coast through the weave with the bike shut off. Thanks for watching!
Forgive me, what is meant by sitting high in the saddle? Are you basically just moving forward in a saddle towards the tank? Or are you meaning that you are sitting up straight while sitting in the default seat position?
It will prob have an effect on the radius of the turn i would assume, due to the fact its bigger. I ride stock bikes so i have no experience with that sir. Thanks for watching. Train hard, Ride safe!
Lol. Well Thank you for the kind words! But honestly I would never ride a Yamaha FJR, but if I did, I assure you I would ride it to the max lean and turn capacity. I would never ride any bike without having complete control to the max of that bikes capability whether turning, leaning or braking. Thanks for watching sir!
@@motorofficertraining I think u should give a try sometime just as an excersize n see what u think the Fjr is a great bike to ride but just a bit top heavy n tends to fall over at slow moving I would be interested to get your expert opinion on a Yamaha Fjr.. My name is Martin. In. Ireland.. and thanks for your prompt post..
Hey Jay, I have learned a lot from your videos, I practice every Sat., I have a 2009 road king with a stage 2, my first Harley, I noticed you are able to slow ride smoothly at idle with the clutch out, my bike starts to chug at just idle with the clutch fully extended, the Harley shop says that's the way it is, any ideas?
Not to sound like a badass or anything, but honestly it just takes practice, timing and control. Mine will also chug when the movement is not in time with the lean or sway. I have a brand new 2023 Fast Johnnie I will do a video with doing the maneuvers when I get a chance. Thanks! Train hard, Ride safe!
Thanks for the videos. Have you ever tried it on a Goldwing. I have the 1800 GW. To me 1st gear is way to torquey. Whats your thoughts about using 2nd gear? Thanks, Oh and I also have an old Wide Glide but I want to master the GW first.
Yes I have. Here is the link. U can do it in 1st or 2nd gear. Its just total clutch control. th-cam.com/video/fwTpWvju4bI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LVyEZc0tUWUYXz4j
Just practice TCC with proper throttle engagement. Most importantly! Lose the fear of dropping your motorcycle with motorcycle drop guards installed on your bike and train your ass off!
Question. Approximately how fast does your bike travel at no throttle in 1st gear? I am on a 05 goldwing and it feels like I will fall at idle. Only about 3 to 5 mph in 1st no throttle. I love trying this . I know it will make me better at balancing.
The bike idles at about 950 to 1000 rpms. I have other videos on a Goldwing and also rode a DCT in the Ride Like A Pro video from Jerry Motorman Palladino.
I honestly try, but I get so caught up in teaching I forget the camera is there. My main focus is on the students and helping them. Trust me! I get it from my wife allllll the time! But now she is training and learning to operate the bike, things are probably going to be changing a bit. Any changes will be all on her so just fyi, she is small but man is she sassy!
I watched your video on the black Goldwing doing U-turns from a stop. In that video it sounds like you are revving the engine really, really high going into the turns, the opposite of what you are showing in this video. Why is that? Can you do a video like this one, except with a Goldwing, and show all the same U-turns and circles with no throttle or rear brake, only using the clutch?
There are other factors in play in that video. STAY TUNED and we will do a follow up to explain or feel free to call Those u turns were done differently and on a full dressed out police unit, very heavy!. But yes, you can make a full lock u turn from a stop on a golwing using only clutch.
Here is a link of my first 8 mins on a DCT automatic for the first time ever. I used throttle control as there was no clutch. It was different but i only had 10 mins to figure it out before recording started. th-cam.com/video/-36iAuUqZuU/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for the reply - Anyone with a GL1800 would be blown away watching you complete figure 8s in two parking spaces, with no brake, no throttle, just the clutch. Look forward to that : )
HAHAHAHAHA Made me laugh. Don't do what I do. I do the same thing all the time. Always got my toes hanging off the floorboards when doing slow speed maneuvers. When I run corners out on the street I find myself lifting my toes and ball of my foot off the floorboard on the same side as the direction I am corning for some odd reason. I wonder if that is from my younger days of running dirt bikes in the corners.
Thank you! You can do it with a little practice and full understanding of Total Clutch Control (TCC) and Proper Throttle Engagement (PTE).. Train hard, Ride safe!
I'm a returning rider. When I started having kids I thought it would be selfish to spend my free time riding with there were little ones at home that needed daddy, so I sold my bike. 27 years later I'm back on an Electra Glide and it's been nerve wracking. My 14 year old found an old 1st place field events trophy from my younger days and I remembered: I can do this. Don't know why but that old trophy gave me a lot of confidence. Now it's just back to practicing. I learned low speed maneuvering form a 5'2" lady that was a motorcycle cop from Columbus Ohio and she used the preload technique which is what I was used too. This seems much easier on the bike.
One of the best instructional channels EXCEPT it seems he doesn’t have time to respond to subscribers AND his customers. Nothin worse than being talked to instead of engaging in a conversation. Oh well
Hey brother, I try to respond as much as I can. I appreciate ANY and ALL support and especially the positive comments here on TH-cam. I am really busy making sure orders go out as fast and accurate as we can. I know folks want the motorcycle drop guards as quickly as they can get them. I wish I had more time to respond to every comment, but I answer every phone call personally, and every email as promptly as I can. I can guarantee, I spend looots of time on the phone with those who call with training questions or any type of advice I can assist with. I am working hard on a training series of videos to help my subscribers and supporters, because I truly want to assist anyone interested in riding safer and more proficiently, in any way I can. I am sure some on here would back me up on my time spent with them on the phone talking training. I do all of this while working a regular 40 hr a week job and other jobs to make a living. Thanks! And as I have always said for over 10 yrs "Train hard, Ride safe!
I started using these techniques and am able to do get more drills done with no brake. If I get to 1500 RPM I always try to get lower. No more 3 grand while not moving and brake squeak. These drills are free and valuable
Thank you sir! Please help share us. We will be doing this weekly now.
@@motorofficertrainingdo you offer lessons anywhere near dfw ? I need to learn these skills so badly.
@carsonnguyen4423 we train in Kingwood, Texas
@@motorofficertrainingcan you please send me your address in Kingwood for training. As I live in Manvel, Tx.
Thank you Sir I have dropped my bike a few times and here Recently I dropped and bike caught my left Ankle and Fractured it I am healing . But have to learn to use the clutch the proper way . 2 years ago you was in Kingswood giving lessons at our WTFR'S celebration that day wish I would knew now what i didnt know then .But won't give up I'm 53 and proud to learn from you my friend .
You are welcome! I love doing those events at dealerships! WTFR's is an awesome club and im proud to be associated somewhat with them. Luis is a good friend of mine. Hope you heal quickly! Train hard, Ride safe!
Another revelation: that the bike actually wants to stand back up and go straight, and that you actually have to force the bike to turn and lean. In my 'intuitive' mind I think that when I Iean it and turn, gravity will take over and it will drive it straight into the ground. But the enertia (600 lbs) wants to stand the bike back up like a gyro. wow. I saw in one vid of yours where you turned such a tight turn, that the bike scraped, and just simply ground to a halt. Impressive amount of confidence in the limits of the machine. My point is that I fear scraping the ground, but I see that it is actually tougher to do then I thought, and that I will negotiate a sharp turn way before I scrape.
I taught my son how to ride his dirt bike just like you explained. The first day he got it I told him not to give it gas at all, put it in gear and use the clutch only. Within a day he was riding and shifting gears.
Thank you, it’s like I have been enlightened!! I once took an “advanced riding techniques” course (low speed manoeuvring), and at the end of it, I almost felt a little scammed. Essentially, what they taught was: in order to perform those techniques, you’re gonna have to abuse the shit out of your bike…. revs up, ride the clutch, and ride the rear brake. So that’s all I knew; the method works - but I never use it because I wouldn’t normally treat my bike like that!
Totally different than other tutorials i watch. But makes SO MUCH sense. Thanks for sharing.
You are so welcome!
I have just found your video. Your methods and techniques differ some from others who use a lot of clutch and brake, but I'm liking your advice better.
I was mastering many maneuvers on my Indian Scout, but now that I have an Indian Chieftan, I'm having to learn and become comfortable with these maneuvers all over again.
Thank you for publishing your video online for us all who wish to improve their riding skills.
Most welcome sir! Please share and help us grow to help more riders.
I’ve watched this one and your other videos many times over.. thank you
Thanks for all the great information. I went to a local parking lot today and practiced your methods. I intend to get really good at this. I have a ways to go! 3 parking space U turns. But it will get better. Also, I am riding an Indian Roadmaster, so not a small bike, but I think it is important to be proficient on what you ride. Thanks for sharing and helping us become better riders!
You are so welcome, glad it helps! Thanks for watching and hope you will subscribe and share!
When I 1st learned of the hi Rs, ride rear brake technique, I thought "that has to be brutal on the clutch and the brake."
Your teaching is completely different than the other fella and just as, if not more effective.
Thank you very much for your insight, wisdom and expertise. You and your mc police buddies really have these big ol hog's mastered!
Thank you. A couple of years ago I was learning to ride from the Officer Simmons and I burned out my clutch.
Sorry to hear that! Robert Simmons is a friend and endorser of ours. Raising RPM's can burn a clutch so be careful with that. We teach Total Clutch Control first, then proper throttle engagement and then proper use of the rear brake. This method will not wear and tear a bike and allows you to practice for hours without heating things up.
This is a great find, I don't have to put undo wear on my bike by practicing. Alot more people would practice these techniques if they new about total clutch control.
What I like also is I have alot less things to concentrate on. No more RPM's to watch or brake pressure to feel. So much less to coordinate.
This is amazing. I noticed that most of the riders in the Grand Prairie Spring Classic MC Rodeo last month were going through the patterns at extremely low RPMs. So glad I found this.
Thanks for the kind words!
Most exc instruction/ I'm putting into practice the 'no clutch' turns. Confidence builder for sure.
Awesome!!
Goodmorning Officer, amazing video I tried this drills asap after I viewed it, this is coming from a guy who doesn't know u turns or tight turns. After an hour of Training I was able to do 20ft u turns and doing circles just trusting my clutch alone thx u so much for this I owe u my confidence, I wish you guys are close by. But I'm in Ontario Canada too bad lol or else I'll be on all your classes Thanks again!!!
I too am in Ontario Canada, Niagara Falls area, and wish I lived closer to join in to practice.
This makes so much more sense to me than trying to balance throttle and brakes while in the friction zone. I just took my beginner MSF course, 12:53 and they taught us to use the friction zone for slow-speed maneuvers, but it just seemed unnecessarily complicated. It just seems so much simpler and easier to fully engage the clutch before applying any throttle. I could see mixing them for micro-adjustments during a turn, but it doesn't seem like a sensible primary strategy to me. Idling speed is often sensible for these meanuevers anyway. If it's too slow, just add a little throttle. If it's too fast, cut a little bit of clutch and micro-adjust with throttle. In practical scenarios, there's a lower limit to the percentage of idle clutch engagement that people are going to want. Nobody's inching through curves at 10% power deliver < 1 mph in anything but the most academic of exercises (maybe on a dirt bike?). Even by the end of my beginner course, I felt much more comfortable engaging more of the clutch sooner for more speed. I don't know why anyone would be so afraid of idle speed in 1st gear that they would need to minimally engage the clutch while applying significant throttle and brakes. The only reason I can think of for teaching beginners that method is to avoid stalls caused by poor clutch control, but I would rather just practice clutch control up front, seeing as how it's important even for just getting off the line.
I was voted top rider at the motorcycle course in Carrollton Texas in 08 and you are right about the guys that sound like they dont know how to ride... I never understood that "preload" guy.... I have a HD ultra limited and a HD dyna street bob. Great video.
Hello, thanks for the positive comments. The preload guy is Robert Simmons. He is a good guy and a friend. yes his techniques are very different than mine but his message is the same, Train! Jerry "motorman" who is also a friend teaches a different technique but has done so much for the motorcycle community in promoting training its crazy, but the message os the same, Train! Train hard, Ride safe! Thanks again for the positive words!
@@motorofficertraining I have respect for all bikers and instructors so don't think I'm talking down on anyone I just see things in a mechanical way so I feel like you... No need to put extra stress on your machine. Unless there's a redneck woman looking at ya then let them pipes sing 😂😂😆
This is my single favorite video-precious knowledge! I’m a big, big fan of Simmons, Paladino, Fast Eddy (Motojitsu)-they are all masters, and I watch all their videos-but your method sets a new bar. I’m going to come down to Texas (from Colorado) and train with you later this summer. YOU ROCK, JAY! (P.S. I have no damage despite many drops, thanks to you!)
Thank you sir! I have been teaching this for over 10 yrs. Finally trying to really make a steady effort to concentrate on TH-cam, so hope you help share us with others each week.
Yes but both teach keep the throttle loaded and using the rear brake both fighting each other with wear and tear on both
Jay really like the no throttle or controlled clutch just covering the rear brake if needed look forward to more videos. Larry Austin The black powder drop guards look great and takes away.all practice skills
The initial exercise, I can tell already, is exactly what I need to do to get that experience/confidence to then go to a full circle. Just watching you do it, I felt I could do that. I need to 'feel' that it wont fall over. This is a big breakthrough for me, along with the validation that I also will be more scooted forward in the seat. Staying laid back is not a good balance point. Scooting is better, for sure. Hell just like on a dirt bike or a kids bike, slow turns work well when standing on the pegs.
You can do it brother!
Hi Jay, another great instructional video that really breaks things down clearly. It's good to see the multiple passes. When I see your hand is off the throttle and resting on the screen it all starts to make perfect sense. I very much enjoy watching your videos.
Thank you sir! Hope you subscribe and help us grow by sharing with others.
@@motorofficertraining I’m subscribed Jay. So far I have bought three sets of motorcycle drop guards 👍
@@WhiskyJackR wow!! Well thank you for the support!!
Thank you for sharing. Such an awesome video. Can’t wait to meet you guys someday.
I hope so too!
I learned with clutch, throttle and feathering the rear brake. This now has me very curious. I'm eager to learn how to be proficient without the rear brake or much throttle. I like challenges lol.
You will see an advancement in your control i believe. Thanks for watching sir!
Damn great video! Thanks Jay! Helps me a lot in understanding slow speed.
Im glad you got something from it sir!
Thanks very much for the instructions will be trying and practicing them
Have fun!
Thank you! I got some different training techniques to work on now without the wear and tear on the bike! Gotta get my cones out and get busy now!
Great training video. I usually have my RPM's too high. I will definitely practice this.
Its just practice my friend!
You are bloody good, I want to learn how to do all this, thanks man.
Thank you sir! You can learn to do it, just practice with the right techniques
I found your channel while searching for an answer as to why I would want to rev the engine, slip the clutch, and drag the rear brake just to maintain the same speed that I could just coast at with the clutch open at idle. As a mechanic, the friction zone/brake method seems inefficient and harmful to the clutch and brake lining. I'm still not sure why some are still teaching that, unless it's a holdover from the days of poorly runed carburetors. Thank you for these simple methods!
Thinking about the amount of wear and tear that's put on my machine using the clutch, brake and throttle, I've been practicing the "total clutch control" (TCC) method in stead of the "preload and keep it loaded" method. The "preload and keep it loaded" technique has its practicality in certain situations but definitely not as a go-to for every slow speed maneuver scenario! I actually feel much more comfortable and in control of my motorcycle after practicing the TCC methods.
It works! Tjats why bramd new riders are making 18 foot u turns, 18 foot tight circles and completing motor offocer size patterns quicklynas opposed to 22-26 foot u tirns and huge circles in the snowman pattern. What can i say? It works extremely well. Thanks for watching and hope you will subscribe and share!
Excellent tips 🤙
Great video. Impressive techniques and teaching style.
I just upgraded from a Yamaha XVS650 after two years to a Suzuki Boulevard C109R 1800cc which is much bigger and heavier. I really enjoy car park drills and developed good skills and confidence on the Yam. Now feeling the difference in mass and weight with the C109, I'm having to overcome some of those early fears again and manage the subtle differences required with bigger bikes. Your video really helped.
Thank you sir! Im glad it helped and i hope you subscribe for new upcoming training videos.
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Already done. 👍🏼
I saw a C109 and was amazed at what a beast it is. Nice bike.
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Thanks. Yes, it's a beauty and a beast. Loving it.
Thanks you for such such specifics on something so important.
You do seem to have amazing balance. My bike even in friction zone seems to idle pretty high this should work.. but at around 5:59 u say when u get enough momentum to bring the second foot up that is inherently different feeling for everyone I guess? My personal sticking point..You almost seem to be at a standstill, amazing 🖤😅🙏💪
Your awesome! No Hollywood, just great info
Well Thank you sir! Im definitely not Hollywood, Im just a simple man from Texas!! Thanks for the kind words!
Nice in a flat parking lot I find it difficult to find a nice flat parking lot
Do you happen to have a local DMV in your area? They make for excellent practice areas. Plus, most likely, they already have painted lines to practice their test maneuvers as well.
@@robertemmons2260 yes, I go to the msf course regularly and a theatre parking lot. It’s just nice to have other people to practice with.
Excellent training ! Excellent trainer !
Hi Jay, I have watched a few of your videos, interesting to compare with Robert and Jerry! I know this video is a few months old but I hope you are still monitoring the comments. Here is my observation…. When you initiate any turn you give the front wheel a little flick opposite to the intended turn to get the gyro effect started. I think this might be missed by the casual/beginner rider and it would be great if you could include a full explanation each time you demo any turn. Thanks. It might even need a full video to get the point across.
Just subscribed Come out with DVD I’ll buy it in a heartbeat. You make it look easy
Lol...well thank you sir! You wouldnt believe how many times i hear that...Maybe i should? Lol
Could you do a video on how you balance yourself on the bike so well? Do they teach motor officers special techniques or drills to keep your body weight even and balanced? Thanks for the great videos!
Yes i will
Great video! I just subscribed.
Awesome! Thank you!
An excellent instructional video that I will save and watch several times. I love this stuff. Many thanks.
Thank you sir! Hope you will subscribe and share us with others!
Great choice of machines to demonstrate on. I REALLY APPRECIATE this video. I've completed (most recently Lock and Lean 301) and love this video. I practice 3-4 times weekly and like having some new practice ideas. I hope to run into you at a competition. #hairpolice #2019flhtp #beckythebarber
@beckythebarber I'm so busy teaching privately and my job with the PD, as well as the motorcycle drop guard business i don't travel, but wish I could.
Thanks for the lesson! I noticed you sit up towards the tank. Can this be done as easily while sitting back in the seat? For me I think I would like to practice the way I will be riding. Or does that come later? Thanks again!
Hello, it can be done sitting in a regular seat and back. I ride the way i ride sitting high at all times first because it places me center of gravity, but also due to my left arm being 2 inches shorter and i also cant rotate it so it makes it easier to try and handle the bike. Thanks for watching!
Great video, well explained ! 👍
Thank you sir! I try
Is there a way to support your channel ??? I feel I’ve learned a lot and would like to give back
Keep your ass glued to the seat (always used to be a hard thing for me), remember movement comes from the hips, the most balanced part of you and the bike, not up high from your upper body!
There is no need to move in the saddle once you are sitting right at slow speeds.
@@motorofficertraining many years ago when I was young rider, wanted to shift around in the saddle, that makes you completely off balance for sure!
Great video very informative thanks 🙏
Thank you sir!
Love your videos - thank you for doing these! A quick question - does the low-end idle torque of the big Harley make it easier to start up with clutch only (no throttle) compared to other bikes? I have stalled my Goldwing 1500 by trying to start up with no throttle (and it is in good tune and idles properly) Since then, I have always added a bit of throttle upon starting, as one time I stalled right in the middle of an intersection with cars approaching. Thanks!
I teach tcc, but you should always use proper throttle engagement with tcc. Train hard, Ride safe!
Great training , thank you !
Your skills are amazing.
As always, great stuff J!
Thanks Jeff! I know, you know now, what you didnt know, because you came and learned! Keep at it brother!
Great video! When you do s U turn, are your handlebars locked
Hello, yessir i lock handle bars
I’m from Los Angeles California. I’m interested in taking your class. I’ve been riding for over 20 years. And I want to get better in riding Henry
@motor officer training
Nice - now that is Mastery!
After some studying - I agree with your reasoning and technique.....and would like to do better on my bike.
Couple of questions though. Only so that I can trust my bike (HD Road Glide) will totally do what you're doing.
What is your idle RPM set at? Did you modify your clutch (springs) or replace the OEM clutch with something else? Thanks
IDLE RPM = 950-1000. and I never modify anything on my bikes at all, I ride them as stock. I do have a new bike I just recently put Rhineharts on for the first time ever, and added saddle bag bars to be able to protect the whole bike with motorcycle drop guards. Train hard, Ride safe!
Loved your video. Do you have classes and if you do where are you located please?
Hello, sorry for delayed response. Yes we train in Kingwood, Texas a suburb of Houston.
I tried this a while back, and it was a lot of fun! Very challenging though! Thank you Jay!
Most welcome sir!
Hello. I'm late in asking a question, but i just now found this video. I am 68 and own a HD ultra limited. I was pretty good at making tight turns and circles after taking the advance rider course several years ago, but i'm quite rusty, and have to admit, a bit scared at making these tight maneuvers. I hope to go out to a vacant parking lot and give your techniques a go. Maybe you covered this and I missed it, but what causes people to drop their bikes when doing these skills? I know the front brake is a killer, but what else? If my memory serves, we were taught not to look immediately in front at the ground, but to focus on where we wanted to go? Thanks--great video!!
Great presentation.
Thank you kindly!
I have a question, I went on your website and under class information, it said to take the course you needed a Harley or Indian style touring bike. If a student were to bring any other kind of bike or rent a touring bike, would that be acceptable to take the course?
This training is set up for Touring Size Bikes. I have students show up on smaller bikes, which is fine, but again it's set up to attain a skill level of handling a big bike with ease very quickly. Students are always amazed by how we train and are surprised in what they learn very quickly. I would suggest a Touring bike even for a brand new rider. A road King is the perfect bike for even a new student to train with as we do it all the time.
@@motorofficertraining thanks for the response and info!
I feel more in control with low revs.Thanks .
Wow, taking it to another level! Love it!
Hey brother! Hope.all is well. You are really coming along! I have seen your videos
@@motorofficertraining All is well. Got another video coming soon about motorcycle drop guards. I'll keep you posted. I think you'll like it.
When you say the clutch is wide open is that the same as saying its fully engaged?
Yes sir!
Outstanding.
Thank you sir! Hope you will subscribe and share
I'm a little confused. you keep saying engage the clutch?? Does that mean pull towards the handle? Or does that mean release the clutch outwards?? Sorry for the dumb question. Love your videos.
Great exercises, different than other channels on youtube, what was your speed on the first exercise? thank you!
I was at idle while doing swing and sway. On the cone weave i was at a high enough speed i could control to coast through the weave with the bike shut off. Thanks for watching!
Forgive me, what is meant by sitting high in the saddle? Are you basically just moving forward in a saddle towards the tank? Or are you meaning that you are sitting up straight while sitting in the default seat position?
Thats amazing. I will try this
You got this! If you have any questions feel free to call
I need to learn the slow speed riding. Where do you have clases? I live in Texas and would like to take clases. Where and when. Thanks
Ray
Hello, Sorry for the delayed response. We are in Kingwood, Texas. Check our training website out at txamct.com
Great great content👌🏻you earned a sub
Thank you sir!
Could be a silly question, are you in first or second gear doing these maneuvers?
@@Mudpie321 not a silly question if you don't know! I'm in first gear
I bought my Ultra classic 2 inches lowered from stock. Does it matter using your technique?
Why call it the Grey zone? Is it not just the same as the Friction zone?
It’s seems a bit harder with my Rg CVO with the 21” front wheel to do the tighter turns. Having a 21 inch wheel matter or not on a turn ?
It will prob have an effect on the radius of the turn i would assume, due to the fact its bigger. I ride stock bikes so i have no experience with that sir. Thanks for watching. Train hard, Ride safe!
21:46 I would like to see you do those manuvers on a Yam. Fjr. n see how it handles. Have to say on that bike you are very good.
Lol. Well Thank you for the kind words! But honestly I would never ride a Yamaha FJR, but if I did, I assure you I would ride it to the max lean and turn capacity. I would never ride any bike without having complete control to the max of that bikes capability whether turning, leaning or braking. Thanks for watching sir!
@@motorofficertraining I think u should give a try sometime just as an excersize n see what u think the Fjr is a great bike to ride but just a bit top heavy n tends to fall over at slow moving I would be interested to get your expert opinion on a Yamaha Fjr.. My name is Martin. In. Ireland.. and thanks for your prompt post..
Hey Jay, I have learned a lot from your videos, I practice every Sat., I have a 2009 road king with a stage 2, my first Harley, I noticed you are able to slow ride smoothly at idle with the clutch out, my bike starts to chug at just idle with the clutch fully extended, the Harley shop says that's the way it is, any ideas?
so does mine
Not to sound like a badass or anything, but honestly it just takes practice, timing and control. Mine will also chug when the movement is not in time with the lean or sway. I have a brand new 2023 Fast Johnnie I will do a video with doing the maneuvers when I get a chance. Thanks! Train hard, Ride safe!
Thanks for the videos. Have you ever tried it on a Goldwing. I have the 1800 GW. To me 1st gear is way to torquey. Whats your thoughts about using 2nd gear? Thanks, Oh and I also have an old Wide Glide but I want to master the GW first.
Yes I have. Here is the link. U can do it in 1st or 2nd gear. Its just total clutch control. th-cam.com/video/fwTpWvju4bI/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LVyEZc0tUWUYXz4j
Can you use the same techniques for a Goldwing? Thanks
Yes
This was the video that did it for me. It clicked! Thank you man!!!!!
You're welcome!
Do you have "taller than stock" handlebars? do they help with cornering?
No stick bars only
with that clutch control got it, do you we still do the eye and head turn when we do a u-turn and figure eight?
Do you do traveling classes or are they just in TX ??
Just in Texas my friend!
Where do you do your instruction? I'm in Phoenix AZ.
In Kingwood, Texas. Check us out at txamct.com as well
Thank you master.
What can I do to develop confidence to just let the bike do its balance job?
Just practice TCC with proper throttle engagement. Most importantly! Lose the fear of dropping your motorcycle with motorcycle drop guards installed on your bike and train your ass off!
Can these techniques be done with Honda Goldwing 2002 1800
Yes
Thanks so much.
Why does my motorcycle stall when I use nothing but the clutch??
Question. Approximately how fast does your bike travel at no throttle in 1st gear? I am on a 05 goldwing and it feels like I will fall at idle. Only about 3 to 5 mph in 1st no throttle. I love trying this . I know it will make me better at balancing.
The bike idles at about 950 to 1000 rpms. I have other videos on a Goldwing and also rode a DCT in the Ride Like A Pro video from Jerry Motorman Palladino.
What is the clutch position when making the circles?
I have a question. I have 16 inch ape bars. I think I have less control on turns and Maneuvers?
I have trained students with those. They were pretty big boys though! Lol
You never video a class being taught, why is that brother? Just asking
I honestly try, but I get so caught up in teaching I forget the camera is there. My main focus is on the students and helping them. Trust me! I get it from my wife allllll the time! But now she is training and learning to operate the bike, things are probably going to be changing a bit. Any changes will be all on her so just fyi, she is small but man is she sassy!
Can you use these techniques on an older model (09) Electra Glide?
Yessir
I watched your video on the black Goldwing doing U-turns from a stop. In that video it sounds like you are revving the engine really, really high going into the turns, the opposite of what you are showing in this video. Why is that? Can you do a video like this one, except with a Goldwing, and show all the same U-turns and circles with no throttle or rear brake, only using the clutch?
There are other factors in play in that video. STAY TUNED and we will do a follow up to explain or feel free to call Those u turns were done differently and on a full dressed out police unit, very heavy!. But yes, you can make a full lock u turn from a stop on a golwing using only clutch.
Here is a link of my first 8 mins on a DCT automatic for the first time ever. I used throttle control as there was no clutch. It was different but i only had 10 mins to figure it out before recording started.
th-cam.com/video/-36iAuUqZuU/w-d-xo.html
Thank you for the reply - Anyone with a GL1800 would be blown away watching you complete figure 8s in two parking spaces, with no brake, no throttle, just the clutch. Look forward to that : )
@@user-bk8db7ud6k lol...well Thank you! Anyone can do it with practice sir!
Thanks again
HAHAHAHAHA Made me laugh. Don't do what I do. I do the same thing all the time. Always got my toes hanging off the floorboards when doing slow speed maneuvers.
When I run corners out on the street I find myself lifting my toes and ball of my foot off the floorboard on the same side as the direction I am corning for some odd reason.
I wonder if that is from my younger days of running dirt bikes in the corners.
Did I mention SUPERB!!!!!!~?
Thank you! You can do it with a little practice and full understanding of Total Clutch Control (TCC) and Proper Throttle Engagement (PTE).. Train hard, Ride safe!
How can I get into a class?
My bike doesn't idle fast enough to do this,,, I have to give a little gas. ,,, still good training
Where are your classes?? Spring Texas
We are located in Kingwood, Texas
I'm a returning rider. When I started having kids I thought it would be selfish to spend my free time riding with there were little ones at home that needed daddy, so I sold my bike. 27 years later I'm back on an Electra Glide and it's been nerve wracking.
My 14 year old found an old 1st place field events trophy from my younger days and I remembered: I can do this. Don't know why but that old trophy gave me a lot of confidence.
Now it's just back to practicing.
I learned low speed maneuvering form a 5'2" lady that was a motorcycle cop from Columbus Ohio and she used the preload technique which is what I was used too. This seems much easier on the bike.
One of the best instructional channels EXCEPT it seems he doesn’t have time to respond to subscribers AND his customers. Nothin worse than being talked to instead of engaging in a conversation.
Oh well
Hey brother, I try to respond as much as I can. I appreciate ANY and ALL support and especially the positive comments here on TH-cam. I am really busy making sure orders go out as fast and accurate as we can. I know folks want the motorcycle drop guards as quickly as they can get them. I wish I had more time to respond to every comment, but I answer every phone call personally, and every email as promptly as I can. I can guarantee, I spend looots of time on the phone with those who call with training questions or any type of advice I can assist with. I am working hard on a training series of videos to help my subscribers and supporters, because I truly want to assist anyone interested in riding safer and more proficiently, in any way I can. I am sure some on here would back me up on my time spent with them on the phone talking training. I do all of this while working a regular 40 hr a week job and other jobs to make a living. Thanks! And as I have always said for over 10 yrs "Train hard, Ride safe!
Can you ride a motorcycle if you can't ride a bicycle.
Well im sure there is someone who never rode a bike that learned to ride a motorcycle. But i would say you have to have balance first, either way.