Can somebody answer a question? I've heard it alluded to, but nothing definitive and it's bugging me. Walksnail Avatar and FatShark Dominator HD - are there any differences, besides color and inclusion of antennas with the Avatars? A certain Florida-based FPV store has them both for sale, $599 for the Walksnails and $480 for the FatSharks. That's a hell of a difference for antennas?!
Just curious, why do you feel the SD slot location in goggle is bad? I never experienced any issues with that. The slot is obviously mounted to the main PCB, which seems preferable to a daughter board with regard to keeping the internals clean and less complicated.
@@definingslawek4731 DJI is owned by a hostile government who's actively engaged in economic warfare against us. Not to mention the uyghur situation Its like supporting Volkswagon and Hugo Boss during ww2. Just not very moral
Walksnail / caddx sells their goggles in a combo with, for example, the axisflying c20 for a real good price : 700 USD. Considering the C20 alone costs 400 USD, the goggles are only 300 USD !
hello. I am starting the project of writing a code to use an esp32-cam as an optical flow sensor. I am sending the data to the flight controller and inav recognizes them as valid (cx-of). The esp32-cam has good power and you could add a rangefinder right there and use it for position hold or to track down a target using opencv. my question is, is it better to communicate with the flight controller using the msp2 protocol or the message format that cx-of uses? thanks for answering.
Internal memory is also possible, but it is usually relatively small, like 8 - 32 GB. That is a joke. You can get around it if you have a tablet with you and move the data again and again in between... But a fat 256 GB SD card in it would be better...
Hi Pavel. Have you had the opportunity to use the VRX with your Skyzone goggles yet? It seems like some users (myself included) have experienced some issues with losing the HDMI signal. I'm curious what your experience might be like with this set.
Great review, Pawel! Thanks a bunch! 😃 I absolutely agree. About the heat issue, I believe they make 25mm fans, right? One of those would work great for rc cars. Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@@barneyfromblueshift Oh, fantastic! Good to know, thanks! 😃 I've found some 25mm esc fans as well! Pretty high RPM, I just don't remember how much... But I'm definitely going to try them! 😃
I have been quite impressed with the system, but haven't tested it on anything but a big cruiser. So far, it's mostly as you say. Very intuitive, tries to self-immolate, performs pretty well, and needs an SD card. The one thing I cannot compare is DJI performance as I've never tried their stuff. It certainly beats analog and HDZero in terms of penetration from what I've seen, blasting through entire houses without even a hint of concern of signal loss.
@@alperenozgur There's a fair chance that each person has used different bits of equipment, and different methods for doing things. Antennas, regulators, and ambient interference all play huge factors in these things.
great review as usual, for me my humble opinion it is the best system on the market not far from the o3 but which will keep all its promises, in terms of penetration it is identical or even slightly better than the o3. Soon I will post a video of a module I planned for Walsnail which will multiply the power by 3 :):):) watts in HD SOONNN
Are you comparing 25mbit mode to dji vista and v2 goggles? I imagine the difference is simply h265 vs h264. O3 used h265 which is a compression that gives you double the quality at the same bitrate or the same quality at half.
On the penetration of the Walksnail Avatar. I have one area that I cannot get thru with analog or Walksnail 25mb but when I increase the bitrate to 50mb I can get thru that area. Using a 1s Walksnail vtx.
Pawel, thanks for the video and details, I do agree with your final conclusion for someone starting in Digital FPV, however, I think you mentioned a few things that are a little unfounded. I believe you are the only person I have heard say that they notice a huge difference between DJI 25mB and 50mB -- maybe this is related to the output power you use, but most can not tell the difference. Also, if you EVER fly with other people -- nobody should be using 50mB as it uses half of the entire 5.8Ghz frequency range. Another note, you mentioned that nobody should ever design the goggles with the SD slot in the middle of the goggles but you don't say why. Why? I never took issue with it and honestly don't know why you would say that. Anyway, thanks for the great review and appreciate all you give to this hobby! Thanks!
It's nice to see manufacturers sending their products to INAV developers, so that their products can be well tested. Current FPV situation is overly Betaflight-centric. Some people prefer INAV/KISS/Emu/Ardu to Betaflight.
And have some sex with tuning PIDs. I also flying INAV and in compare with BF it has no tutorials for tuning like BF has from Chriss Rosser and other pilots. Some adjustements in INAV not so obvious such as tuning Dterm - I can change it from 25 to 35 without visible effect in flying or in PIDTollBox for my 7inch. And bugssssss, a lot of them, pleny of them. From the last I can mention one , but it rather not bug but badly written code in INAV6.0, for the BMI270 was implemented OSR4 mode but it's not working well, pretty flyable but it's not what we have in BF, maybe something missed when code was ported. For the real bug I can describe behaviour on MtekH7 Slim FC - when black box turned on GPS packets can be missed. I see this bug only on Matek H7 slim, Kakute H7 V1 and V2 working well. And yes ... wher bidirectional DSHOT? Where genuine rpm filter?
@@igorchuevskyi5771 not everybody has to have sex with PIDs. Those longrange lovers don't need the best flying characteristics. They need FW that doesn't occasionally land with crash.
Good review. I just love how they've survived the brutal reception they got at first and are now a serious choice for digital video. I disagree about the beginner part though. I've been doing long range fixed wing flying for 6 years now and it's really the ONLY choice for me: it looks better than analogue and HDZero, and goes further than DJI.
I agree. I have been flying for a long time and I tend to get way better range than my Analog system. The picture quality and latency is fantastic too. I switched All my quads over to walksnail.
It's interesting what you will say after month/two of usage. I agree that DJI also not so good but Walksnail is a raw product with a weak support where one fix can spoil previous one. I'm flying digital (Walksnail vrx and goggles) and analog and can confidentialy say that it's not time to through analog to the garbage bin ...
Just yesterday I was looking pros and cons between Walksnail googles and the VRX... My cuestión is if it is too difficult to make a digital sistem at 1.3GHz wich can have much better range and penetration? Thanks Mister Pawel great information
The problem is bandwiidth. In short: the lower the frequency, the less information it can carry and digital systems require a lot of data and high sampling rate.
What do you think compared to HDzero ? Personally I would never consider DJI and like HDzero philosophy the most, but how are the facts compared to Walksnail right now ?
Walksnail for image quality, hdzero for fixed latency is what it comes down to. Walksnail is phasing out the use of hdzero in my quads and planes as the latency is less important to me vs image quality. This might be an uncommon opinion but for fixed latency I still prefer analog to hdzero.
херня полная.. работает через одно место. юнити горят. связь на родних антенах жопа.. 300метров уже шлак на єкране. цена упала на 20% с момента продаж.. НЕ ПОКУПАЙТЕ ЄТО!
The KING still LIVES, Long LIVE the KING!.....DJI forever!....You must be willing to pay if you want the BEST; otherwise, stick with analog until you can afford the BEST.
Can somebody answer a question? I've heard it alluded to, but nothing definitive and it's bugging me.
Walksnail Avatar and FatShark Dominator HD - are there any differences, besides color and inclusion of antennas with the Avatars? A certain Florida-based FPV store has them both for sale, $599 for the Walksnails and $480 for the FatSharks. That's a hell of a difference for antennas?!
They are the exact same product, other than colour....🤔😏🇬🇧
Just curious, why do you feel the SD slot location in goggle is bad? I never experienced any issues with that. The slot is obviously mounted to the main PCB, which seems preferable to a daughter board with regard to keeping the internals clean and less complicated.
Its not the best in any category, but its price, decent visual quality and no dji? It rises to the top pretty quick.
I have both and the only category I think is the best is the 1S VTX, and maybe being more customisable. And yes is good enough
What’s wrong with dji? They’re not dependent on us and therefore they’re not as sensitive to our needs? I don’t see another argument.
@@definingslawek4731 DJI is owned by a hostile government who's actively engaged in economic warfare against us. Not to mention the uyghur situation
Its like supporting Volkswagon and Hugo Boss during ww2. Just not very moral
The SD slot is Dominator Goggles by Fatshark. I push release the card, then kind of use the spring to eject it. Dont do it over long grass....😏😏😏🇬🇧
Walksnail / caddx sells their goggles in a combo with, for example, the axisflying c20 for a real good price : 700 USD.
Considering the C20 alone costs 400 USD, the goggles are only 300 USD !
hello. I am starting the project of writing a code to use an esp32-cam as an optical flow sensor. I am sending the data to the flight controller and inav recognizes them as valid (cx-of). The esp32-cam has good power and you could add a rangefinder right there and use it for position hold or to track down a target using opencv. my question is, is it better to communicate with the flight controller using the msp2 protocol or the message format that cx-of uses? thanks for answering.
micro SD card very important also because you need a lot of space when you want to record all of your flights a day...
Internal memory is also possible, but it is usually relatively small, like 8 - 32 GB. That is a joke. You can get around it if you have a tablet with you and move the data again and again in between... But a fat 256 GB SD card in it would be better...
Hi Pavel. Have you had the opportunity to use the VRX with your Skyzone goggles yet? It seems like some users (myself included) have experienced some issues with losing the HDMI signal. I'm curious what your experience might be like with this set.
I haven't had any issues with orqa fov goggles or HD zero goggles on HDMI. so I would assume if your having an HDMI issue it's probably goggle related
Will vrx work with 800x480 googles (fatshark dominator v3)?
Great review, Pawel! Thanks a bunch! 😃
I absolutely agree. About the heat issue, I believe they make 25mm fans, right? One of those would work great for rc cars.
Anyway, stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
@@barneyfromblueshift Oh, fantastic! Good to know, thanks! 😃
I've found some 25mm esc fans as well! Pretty high RPM, I just don't remember how much... But I'm definitely going to try them! 😃
Did 11.5 km, no problem and a stable connection
No flickering osd?
@@giankite3179 no
nice!
I have been quite impressed with the system, but haven't tested it on anything but a big cruiser. So far, it's mostly as you say. Very intuitive, tries to self-immolate, performs pretty well, and needs an SD card. The one thing I cannot compare is DJI performance as I've never tried their stuff. It certainly beats analog and HDZero in terms of penetration from what I've seen, blasting through entire houses without even a hint of concern of signal loss.
and i see exacly opposite around web. starting to believe fpv based on placebo effect lol.
@@alperenozgur There's a fair chance that each person has used different bits of equipment, and different methods for doing things. Antennas, regulators, and ambient interference all play huge factors in these things.
great review as usual, for me my humble opinion it is the best system on the market not far from the o3 but which will keep all its promises, in terms of penetration it is identical or even slightly better than the o3.
Soon I will post a video of a module I planned for Walsnail which will multiply the power by 3 :):):) watts in HD SOONNN
Do you work for walksnail?
@@chrisbee5481 no just I work on radio frequencies developer
@@helititan74 so if you develop something great, might walksnail/ you make it available to public?
@@chrisbee5481 not so easy to do on a large commercial scale to do .. already with legality
So you think it is best for beginners because they can connect the avatar receiver to the goggles they already have?
Are you comparing 25mbit mode to dji vista and v2 goggles? I imagine the difference is simply h265 vs h264. O3 used h265 which is a compression that gives you double the quality at the same bitrate or the same quality at half.
On the penetration of the Walksnail Avatar. I have one area that I cannot get thru with analog or Walksnail 25mb but when I increase the bitrate to 50mb I can get thru that area. Using a 1s Walksnail vtx.
Pawel, thanks for the video and details, I do agree with your final conclusion for someone starting in Digital FPV, however, I think you mentioned a few things that are a little unfounded. I believe you are the only person I have heard say that they notice a huge difference between DJI 25mB and 50mB -- maybe this is related to the output power you use, but most can not tell the difference. Also, if you EVER fly with other people -- nobody should be using 50mB as it uses half of the entire 5.8Ghz frequency range.
Another note, you mentioned that nobody should ever design the goggles with the SD slot in the middle of the goggles but you don't say why. Why? I never took issue with it and honestly don't know why you would say that. Anyway, thanks for the great review and appreciate all you give to this hobby! Thanks!
what about HDZero? the immediate video loss is a deal breaker for me. There is little chance for recovery when you cant see.
It's nice to see manufacturers sending their products to INAV developers, so that their products can be well tested. Current FPV situation is overly Betaflight-centric. Some people prefer INAV/KISS/Emu/Ardu to Betaflight.
And have some sex with tuning PIDs. I also flying INAV and in compare with BF it has no tutorials for tuning like BF has from Chriss Rosser and other pilots. Some adjustements in INAV not so obvious such as tuning Dterm - I can change it from 25 to 35 without visible effect in flying or in PIDTollBox for my 7inch. And bugssssss, a lot of them, pleny of them. From the last I can mention one , but it rather not bug but badly written code in INAV6.0, for the BMI270 was implemented OSR4 mode but it's not working well, pretty flyable but it's not what we have in BF, maybe something missed when code was ported. For the real bug I can describe behaviour on MtekH7 Slim FC - when black box turned on GPS packets can be missed. I see this bug only on Matek H7 slim, Kakute H7 V1 and V2 working well. And yes ... wher bidirectional DSHOT? Where genuine rpm filter?
@@igorchuevskyi5771 not everybody has to have sex with PIDs. Those longrange lovers don't need the best flying characteristics. They need FW that doesn't occasionally land with crash.
Good review. I just love how they've survived the brutal reception they got at first and are now a serious choice for digital video. I disagree about the beginner part though. I've been doing long range fixed wing flying for 6 years now and it's really the ONLY choice for me: it looks better than analogue and HDZero, and goes further than DJI.
I agree. I have been flying for a long time and I tend to get way better range than my Analog system. The picture quality and latency is fantastic too. I switched All my quads over to walksnail.
It's interesting what you will say after month/two of usage. I agree that DJI also not so good but Walksnail is a raw product with a weak support where one fix can spoil previous one. I'm flying digital (Walksnail vrx and goggles) and analog and can confidentialy say that it's not time to through analog to the garbage bin ...
Hahaha….tell this to Bardwell
I got the fat shark version of the goggles. They were on sale for 480 bucks
That's actually cheap
@@FPVUniversity yep. I got the goggles 4 lumenier stubby antenna and a v2 8gb vtx for 680 shipped pretty much
jak zawsze, świetnie, rzeczowo, tylko nie znam firmy DGI :D ;)
Have to agree I only use 25mb with the vrx on 700mw have done 1.5 miles no issues
I watched a Walksnail range test yesterday....51 Kms out..🤔😏😏😏🇬🇧
Is the setup for this system the same in iNav as it is in BF?
basically the same. With some minor differences
@@FPVUniversity is there documentation or a video out there that is specific to iNav?
It was so good I sold all 4 vtxs and a vrx I don't like it . Imo firmware gets better then they and a feature then it's back to were it started from
The cable and 3.1v cut off puts me off for now
Well Fatshark designed the goggles.
I'm not so sure about it. At the moment Fat Shark is just a brand, not a company with engineers
Just yesterday I was looking pros and cons between Walksnail googles and the VRX... My cuestión is if it is too difficult to make a digital sistem at 1.3GHz wich can have much better range and penetration?
Thanks Mister Pawel great information
The problem is bandwiidth. In short: the lower the frequency, the less information it can carry and digital systems require a lot of data and high sampling rate.
anybody using the vrx?
What do you think compared to HDzero ?
Personally I would never consider DJI and like HDzero philosophy the most, but how are the facts compared to Walksnail right now ?
Walksnail for image quality, hdzero for fixed latency is what it comes down to. Walksnail is phasing out the use of hdzero in my quads and planes as the latency is less important to me vs image quality.
This might be an uncommon opinion but for fixed latency I still prefer analog to hdzero.
i actually don't think thats very controversial what you are saying - or it shouldn't be.
Surprisingly dji copied the fatshark sd card placement. Maybe it’s a joke on the part of the designers lol.
“Brave yet controversial” hey? ……. Pineapple on pizza 🍕 I bet…🤔
The ONLY acceptable fruit on pizzas are tomatoes! 😡
Tomatoes are Disgusting!
For someone purchasing a fpv system today, the flow chart is simply Dji, if not dji, consider the other options.
херня полная.. работает через одно место. юнити горят. связь на родних антенах жопа.. 300метров уже шлак на єкране. цена упала на 20% с момента продаж.. НЕ ПОКУПАЙТЕ ЄТО!
well they are twice as expensive than dji.
are they better? no?
I choose dji
Really?...Which DJI Goggles?🤔🤔😏😏 The old NON OLED GOGGLES maybe?
The KING still LIVES, Long LIVE the KING!.....DJI forever!....You must be willing to pay if you want the BEST; otherwise, stick with analog until you can afford the BEST.