Bobby Knight explains why Jordan is the GOAT & it's NOT EVEN CLOSE!
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Bro you are so right. I heard him say the same thing. Jordan college years was better than a lot of NBA players today.
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And leclown tries to say his son is "ready" to play for the flakers
Good discussion.🙂 You're right. Bird, Magic, MJ and Kobe took the harder path to earn their championships.
He named the criteria for the GOAT and said Jordan was the top in all area's and this was way b4 the 6 rings
Right ✅️
And this is what people who don’t know NBA history don’t get. It’s actually because of Jordan though not his fault. Rings culture didn’t become a thing until after Jordan because it was an easy way to capture his greatness. I actually don’t like when people just refer to his rings because it shortchanges his greatness as a player. The rings are the icing on the cake. Remember he retired after “only” 3 rings because he felt he had nothing else to prove. Despite the fact that Bird also had 3 and Magic 5. But he was already considered GOAT by that point. When he came back and won 3 more that just further solidified it.
@@Ues2DC I completely agree 💯
@@Ues2DCI agree 10000% my guy
@jayp576 - It was also before LeBron.
Phil never coached any team to a NBA title until MJ. MJ dominated NBA all-star talent even before he put on a NBA jersey
Where was Phil Jackson head coaching job in the NBA before the Bulls job?
Celtics only had 29 wins before Bird got there. They improved to 61 wins with Bird. Not sure how that’s a “ready to go” team. Bird was different
McChalw and Parrish came like a year apart
I love Bird and I consider Bird the goat SF but I believe many of his teammates in his rookie season were injured the prior year hence the 29 Win season the year prior to Bird’s arrival.
@@Josh-sk5xd I don’t know about that one, seeing as the year before that 29 win season they only won 32 games. The Celtics were on a downward spiral until Larry Legend showed up and not only got the Celtics back to their winning ways but was the catalyst and main cog that culminated in the form of the ‘86 Celtics who were one of the greatest teams of all time. In a team sport, that’s an accolade any player in the goat conversation must have,
@@verbalkint3447 Remember Birds rookie year he had a healthy Tiny Archibald that was recovering from injury the prior year
Again, no knock on Bird to me he’s the Goat SF and most definitely impacted the Celtics his rookie season.
@@verbalkint3447 Tiny, Bob MaCadoo, Cowens etc all missed 20+ games that season prior to Bird’s arrival.
That comment MR.knight made is one of the comments that’s killing Isiah Thomas today as well!!! That was Thomas college coach.
Right! I thought of that too lol
All facts...because deep down he knows Knight would have loved to have Mike on those Hooser squads over Thomas.
HIT THE LIKE BUTTON PEOPLE!! This is one of the BEST channels out there. Professional setup, call ins, nice breakdowns, etc. Keep up the good work! MJ=🐐
Thank you bro!
@@Mandownsports much respect! 🏀
Bobby Knight is a top 5 coach and maybe the most respected ever. He was a basketball genius and understood the game on a advance level
Lebron: most playoff loses all-time ✔, most committed turnovers all-time ✔, most shots taken all-time (but he's pass 1st?) ✔, most missed shots all-time ✔, only player to be Swept in 3 finals series ✔ 7th worst +/- in NBA finals history -86 ✔ 2nd worst NBA finals record all-time 4-6 ✔ that's not a top 5 player all-time
CONT: most flops all time (?) Debatable , but he in there.
#1 ring chaser of all time
#1 team wrecker for 1 who is considered great.
Biggest crybaby of ALL TIME.
there are more stats, that he may be in the running for plz feel free to list below.
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Solid points. 👍🏾
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If you don't have a 3-peat on your resume no discussion for the goat debate. #8#24
Interesting point.😎
🗣️INTERESTING POINT . BUT , I DISAGREE . KOBE HAD SHAQ AS THEE # 1 .KOBE DIDN ' T COME INTO THE LEAGUE HITTING THE GROUND RUNNING . KOBE CAME OFF THE BENCH HIS FIRST 2 PLUS YRS. KOBE. NEVER SHOT 50 % FOR ONE SEASON . KOBE ' S SHOT SELECTION AND DECISION MAKING ISN ' T GREAT . ESPN D🚫ESN ' T EVEN HAVE KOBE IN THE TOP 10 ALL TIME . BUT , I D🟢 . Y👤U AND 👤THERS KEEP OVERRATING KOBE . KOBE CAN ' T BE IN THE G.🐐.A.T. DEBATE . SHAQ HAS A 3 PEAT. BUT, PE👤PLE D 🚫 N ' T PUT SHAQ IN THE G.🐐.A.T. DEBATE .>🎤 🏀🗑️
Shaq, George Mikan, and Bill Russell higher in the Goat debate over scrubs like LBJ, Magic, Bird, and Kareem. Prove me wrong. They got 3 peats, and those other losers only ever managed Back to Back titles. There are levels to this, and those bums aren't on the same one as my boy George Mikan!
To those Wilt and Kareem lovers, there's no disrespect to them as greats in basketball history. However, being the GOAT is not just about stats... It's about impact on the game of basketball itself on top of the person's skills and performance.
When you judge the entire package, no player in the history of the game compares to MJ. He took basketball to a worldwide status, along with a style and personality that was electrifying and mesmerizing to people, on top of his elite athleticism and incomparable abilities on the court. He would have crowds of people and kids following him wherever he went. Entire families from everywhere, not just Chicago, would stop what they were doing when the bulls were playing.
MJ transcended basketball and created an entire brand of the sport. He inspired nearly ALL of the current NBA stars....
That is what it means to be GOAT...
I agree with a lot of what your saying. I grew up right around the corner from where Bill Russell used to live in Massachusetts. That man went threw hell from getting windows broken, burning crosses on his lawn etc. With the racial climate the way that it was Wilt & Bill didn't have the same opportunities MJ had. Remember at one point those black athletes couldn't sleep in the same hotels, or even enter the same restaurants as there white teammates. It was a different world back then compared to when MJ entered the league.
They are all better than lebron.
Damn you could off keep it shorter, but it true and the fanboys can go and ask Jason terry how he school Le flop in the finals 😂😂😂😂
Respect your opinion but can you imagine wat they would be saying if Wilt was playing today? He was 7’2 athletic version of jirdan but stronger n faster ??? People look at the 60-70’s n talk down on that era ? You give wilt todays technology training shoes therapy etc? 🤦🏻♂️wilt had a 50inch vertical jump ? Wilt could bench press 600 pounds wilt ran the 100 in 10.5 seconds ? Ran the high hurdles shot out long jump I mean he was BO JACKSON before Bo unfortunately he was in the 60’s today he would destroy the entire league GIANIS JOKER EMBID would get demolished n the rest of the league would be getting 50 -25 rbs n 6 blks a night
@@blackeddie154 COME ON DUDE. WILT WAS A CETER CLOSEST TO THE BASKET , AT 7 FEET. WAT U EXPECT HUH STEUPSSSS 🤔 WAS HE MESMERIZING? WAS HE SPECTACULAR?, DID HE LEFT U IN AWE? , WIT HIS MOVES OR SKILLS, SHOOTING ABILTY?LIKE THE ONE AND ONLY, HUH,? U NO WHO AM TALKING ABOUT OK GEE. ITS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE, MIC DROP
As much as I agree with Bobby Knight, the Lebron fanboys won't accept that because they're Gen Z and you know what they say regarding this generation, doesn't respect the past and history and today is the greatest generation ever according to them and they'll never accept that someone was infinitely better than their chosen one.
I accept what Mr. Knight said because it's rooted on facts and he gave his criteria on why he choose MJ as his GOAT and his criteria makes sense. He knew it, I knew it, we knew it but the Lebron fanboys will forever be living in their deluded fantasy.
I think the quote that was inscribed in MJ'S statue fully encapsulated the feeling of most basketball fans that consider him the GOAT.
"THE BEST THERE EVER WAS. THE BEST THERE EVER WILL BE. - Michael Jordan.
Allen Iverson would be A terror on the court
To me im taking jordan kobe and iverson over everyone they are the ultimate competitors
Vince Carter had a 43"vertical Michael Jordan 48
Jordan is the Goat. 🐐
Kobe is the Junior Goat!
LeBron, not even close.
I think of centers like Wilt, Kareem and Shaq as being the most “dominant” players of their eras. I think the greatest “basketball player” of all time has to be a ball handler first. If you don’t have elite ball handling skills it should disqualify you from GOAT convos.
Of course, I agree
I’m glad you said he never competed against Wade. Wade already had a championship! And he knew Wade was an obstacle in the way for him to get a championship.So let’s join forces. Cutting corners.
Great commentary.
Lebron did what he did because he did not have the skill or talent to do what the previous greats or some current/future greats are doing. He was the deficiency because his ego stopped him from learning the fundamentals of winning basketball.
My personal belief is that LeBron saw and studied what MJ did during those we games MJ played point guard under Doug Collins. MJ’s numbers for those 24 games were better than most if not Lebrons whole career of playing point. Lebron saw the stats MJ generated during those 24 games and made his mind up to make a career doing that to get easy goat status through stats that’s why he never learned to play off ball and insists on playing facilitator everywhere he goes.
MJ, zkobe, Olajuwan, Duncan, Bird etc didn’t need players around that filled in for their deficiencies, like Lebron and his system does. So Lebron could never replicate what the actual top greats did because he did not have the skill, the mentality of a winner, nor the necessary humility to be taught, nor the modesty to know what he needed to work on. He is an “aided” athlete, allegedly lol, so that disqualifies him right off. The clumsy movement due to horrible footwork, lack of basic fundamentals are egregious. He doesn’t have the skill to be top 20 much less top 10. Without the media he would be behind so many players in the top 75.
You speaking so many facts
Well said and straight FACTS! I Couldn’t have said it better! Salute!
This is why I don’t have Lebron in my top 40! His whole career has been completely manufactured & unauthentic.
@@Josh-sk5xd top 40! Lol 😆 🤣
@@Mandownsports I’m not even trolling bro lolz
I can’t put that dude above even Karl Malone. Lebron has too many holes and weaknesses in his game and he lacks the intangibles among other things.
Without the media & Refs/League & him cheating by colluding with Superteams Lebron has ZERO rings etc etc
We know dude is on the juice as well and is cheating in that regard also so in my eyes he’s disqualified from even being in the top 40. Once it becomes official that he’s juicing he’s out my top 75. Really deep inside myself I already have him out of the top 75 for just that reason alone.
@@Josh-sk5xd 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I don't even think it's fair to compare Boston 3 to Miami 3.. A) the celtics put that team together, & B) kg, pp, & ra were getting past their prime.
C) dwade, LeBron & Bosh were in their prime, & two top players, were taken from franchises in the already weak east.
Then they got ray Allen on top of it. When LeBron says "not 6, not 7." He meant it, with a smile on his face.
It's why I find it disgusting kobe gets so dismissed for winning on the team he was basically drafted on, while LeBron tampers to create a super team in order to avoid any serious competition. You could argue, he stacked the deck so far, nobody wanted to play in the east because he made it so uncompetitive. So kobe played in the toughest western conference, with what he was given. While LeBron stacked the deck & turned the weak east even weaker. It's no surprise kobe had a winning finals record for being molded in the fire of thewest, while LeBron has a losing, he never had to go up against the best every year and had to really overcome the competition. This is why over popular belief, I have kobe above lebron.
You can throw Stephen Curry in the same class as Jordan. Kobe, Magic. Bird and Thomas as for being a number 1, continuing that same standard.
No
@@Mandownsports I mean why not? He been with the franchises entire career through the ups and downs until they drafted and put pieces around him to make it work and they were very successful. Even though they won two rings with KD joining him, he still won two without him.
And that’s what sets Lebron and mj and Kobe apart. I feel like Lebron is the privileged one. He doesn’t have that hunger to beat his opps, he becomes part of the opps.
Absolutely
I'm listening to this while watching the finals! This is one of your best shows to me.
Ah man, that's dope! Thanks man. I'm watching when we did our post game after the Mavs advanced to the finals to remember what we said about the finals matchup
@@Mandownsports I rarely listen to the game, because the commentary is usually trash. However, when there's shows like yours. It actually makes the game more exciting!
@@itznotdatserious99 my dawg 💪 💯
Vince Carter isn't more athletic than Mike. Vince could jump but he didn't have Mike's ups or hang time.
I agree. Just trying to make a point. Who was more athletic wasn't that important
This statement made Zeke really upset. Lol!😂
And Bobby Knight said this before Jordan had any rings. The coaches and players of the past werent really ring junkies like how the culture is now.
❤Love your shows😊
Salute homie 🫡
Why does everyone think they are supposed to use the word “it’s” instead of “there’s” 🤦🏻
Becuz nobody cares
Why do you think Isiah Thomas is so salty?
It's his only way to punch back at a guy that he feels hurt him.
Zeek is a Native Chicagoan....but Mike gets more love from the city than he does.
Bro I have to tell you something, you have one of the best sports show period. Some of these analyst and ex players are trying to feed us B.S. This all started with LBJ
I appreciate that alot bro. And you're right, the mainstream is definitely feeding us BS
This is one od tbe reasons that Isaiah Thomas has animosity towards MJ, his college coach acknowledged that MJ was that dude and Zeke couldn't and still can't handle that fact and it must hurt to his core!
Jordan had a 48-inch vertical leap compared to Carter's 43-inch leap. Vince averaged 16.7 points his career. How you equate him in any way to MJ is mind-boggling. In fact, how can anyone match six chips, six FMVPs, and zero finals' losses?
All of these inferences to Jordan are beyond asinine, and that includes Kobe, who stunk up the 2004 finals. I have to believe MJ laughs at all of these narratives.
The problem with counting championships is that everyone of them have the same face value but the competitors aren't the same every year, that's why in order to understand who's the best you gotta see them play and evaluate.
💯! All FACTS Mel!!
Btw that’s how I compare those players.
I can compare MJ to Bird, Magic, Zeke, Kobe, Duncan because they did it the hard way, the authentic way.
I can only compare Lebron with KD because both went the easy route and when I compare the two, KD comes out on top since KD dusted Lebron when it was even Steven.
Even with Curry, Curry was able to do it the authentic way in 2015 & 2022! He got cheated out of another authentic ring in 2016 smh.
Great point!
Bobby Knight crushed Isiah! Isiah won him a National Championship! Crushing to say MJ was the greatest player he had ever seen!
Bro, you have some of the best analysis and breakdowns on takes of basketball topics, peace!!!!
Thanks bro
Correction! when bird was drafted Boston was last place,....they went from worse to first that first year
Great!
Main reason why Kobe is number 2 or up there as far as the GOAT:
People want to discredit Kobe rings with Shaq but that makes no sense. For years and to this day it was a consensus that Kobe was the closest thing to MJ we’ve ever seen. That comparison was established when Kobe was still in high school.
So the most Dominant center in NBA history got to play alongside the closest thing to the GOAT (consensus is MJ) and 3-peats with Coach Phil Jackson. So how does that only discredit Kobe’s rings and not Shaq’s??
Next point…
When Shaq left LA, while still between the age of 30-35, he played alongside a TOP 5 Shooting Guard of all time, Dewayne Wade. That’s a fact. He won 1 ring.
Let’s be clear… Pau Gasol is NOT a top 5 Center of all time. Kobe made 3 consecutive finals appearances and won 2 rings back to back with him.
So where does this logic that Kobe rings don’t count with Shaq because he had Shaq come from? But for Shaq he doesn’t get penalized at all for playing with the closest thing to MJ (Kobe).
Shaq clearly deserved that finals MVP on the 2000 ring. No doubt. But 2001, and 2002, they could have been Co-MVPs.
Shaq wasn’t hitting big time free throws. Kobe was and just to add, a better free throw shooter than MJ. Kobe was a better 3 point shooter than MJ (rather took more cuz the game evolved). Kobe was just as clutch as MJ. Kobe work ethic, fundamentals, and determination to win was on par with MJ.
Shaq had his chance to prove himself when he went to the finals with Orlando in 95. He lost. He got there and he lost until he had 2 of the top 5 Shooting guards in the history of the game.
This Kobe disrespect gotta stop.
All facts
@@Mandownsports I know bro. The disrespect is crazy. I appreciate you keeping it real.
@@StCropper for sure. Appreciate the support
But ultimately Kobe was not Jordan. I agree that he was instrumental in that 3peat. You look at those series vs the Spurs, it was Kobe who was top dog. They don't get to the Finals without Kobe. Where it falls apart for Kobe a little bit was 2011. Right when Kobe was on the cusp of having legitimate debates between him and MJ, they got swept by Dallas. Jordan just didn't get swept in 4 game series and losing with home court advantage as well. And he had 2 All Stars on his team that year. The rest of his career, he was hurt so that can't be held against him
@@SelfResearchedNBAFacts not understanding where you going on here or the point you’re trying to make. It was already addressed (rather I addressed) that Kobe is a number 2 or deserves to be in the conversation for Goat debates. Not outside of it. This isn’t a “who’s number 1” discussion.
In what way are the current players are so skilled offensively? There is practically no defence in NBA today!
The league should retire the number 23 #jordan
Fun fact. MJ had a 48" vert. Vince Carter had a 43" vert.
MJ could also run a 4.38 40. He was just built differently.
Wonder what Zeke has to say, bet he won't call Bob Knight a lie.
Jordan had zero weaknesses. Every single year he came back better stronger smarter faster tougher . Offensively he was PICASSO on defense he was a pitbull . Mentally ? Didn’t accept losing
Small criticism, I love your stuff and agree with all your general ideas. “The one percent doesn’t need to work on those skills” I just add they don’t need to work on those skills to skate by to a certain level. Those freak athletes fall into a trap by skating by and then hitting a ceiling. Developing the fundamentals is what would raise that ceiling. It’s often pretty unfortunate.
I agree 100%
@man down sports I really liked the way you broke this down. It truly shows a methodical breakdown of a lot of aspects normal fans don't truly understand in the goat debate. I love the new age vs tradition comparison. The old skewl way was to maybe bring in a slightly stronger role play, not replace a role player with a known dominate sf,c, or pf.
I try to make some sense of this thing
@@Mandownsports and i hate the longevity argument being even considered as an aspect of the goat debate. I've said it before thats like stating that pete rose .303 batting avg. is the hit king when he out hit ty cobbs (.366 batting avg) when he played almost 530 more games. Who's really the hit king. Ty Cobbs, for sure. like in the same span of 1072 games MJ's point total was 32,292, and Lebron's was only 29,413 in the same amount of games. Plus the misdirected, lol stat that lebron incorporated more teammates might just conclude to the fact he was intimidated to take the shot in the hot seat, where we all know MJ thrived and always wanted to take the shots that would decide the outcome of the game
@@bmanconstable4010 that's a very great example!
I agree with you about the way it was done. I hope it goes back to that
Kept waiting for you to mention Duncan. Enjoyed your take.
Ahhhh yeah, I definitely forgot to mention Duncan. That was a mistake for sure
If you are the best at a sport you are called the MJ of that sport
Man Down , My brother another fantastic breakdown video on how to compare MJ to everyone else! Nobody has ever or will ever play like Mike because nobody will ever have all the dominant player needs to be great! Love your work and love your smartness in the world of the NBA keep it up brother. Mad respect for you!
Chris Klatter
My dawg, 🫡 salute. Thanks for the comment
“There’s a lot of gold dust sprinkled on that guy, MJ” keep spitting gems! Most professionally produced show, takes built on sound logic and facts, great for casuals and ballers alike - keep going
Thanks bro, that's a pretty dope compliment
Paule Pierce, Garnett and Ray Allen didn't set a standard. Allen and Garnett were traded to Boston. Trades happen in the NBA all the time, so it was
nothing new. Pierce, Garnett and Allen are all Hall of famers. So bringing them together was meaningful. But they were all past their primes as well.
LeBron set the standard by creating the first _player generated_ superteam. And LeBron, Wade and Bosh were each in their athletic primes when they
joined forces. That was a distinct way of creating an advantage that spat in the face of every precedent that was previously established in the NBA.
The Boston BIG3 definitely set a standard of having 3 prime superstars.
Did you mean Miam Big 3? Boston's big 3 were past their primes (all over 30),@@Mandownsports
Wilt and it's not even close. Shaq is the second pick.
Great show
Mj had a higher vertical leap 48 inches Vince was 43 inches
Wilt has to be 2nd greatest if he isnt 1st he was the greatest scorer rebounder and shot blocker and people all he did was dunk but actually scored most of his points on fade away shots
Championships are won by team's no one player has ever won a championship so how can we say Championships determines the greatest player ever
Because thata the only reason they play the game. If they played for stats then I would use stats
I'm a jordan guy but I have to recognize the greats regardless of era but I understand why mj is the goat his performances when it matters is unmatched to me but Boston had a super duper team so I really don't hold not winning against Mr Chamberlain I don't Kno if a player has had so much stacked against him as far as his opponents and it's not about the stats it's more about how dominant he was on both ends of the court you have a great show I like watching you guys are always on point
😮 VC and all the UNC GUYS I like but Vince had a 35" vertical and MJ has a 48" best all time.. VC more creative but MJ best lay package.. he also did it on both ends.. 4.3 40yrd also,..hang time
MJ 48 in vertical, VC 44 or 46 vertical!
Kareem was amazing, productive, and efficient for many years, but he was past his prime. He played a good amount of years with both the Bucks and Lakers before Johnson was drafted. Kareem was drafted in 69, Magic 79. Magic was the number 1A a lot of the years.
The Bulls fired Doug Collins and moved up rookie coach Phil Jackson and MJ and he won together..
True
If you asked Isiah Thomas about anything Coach said about another player, other than M.J. ,he would give glowing amens to Coach.
Dooood, shout out to Mark Price!
Always shout out to Mark Price! People just don't understand how great he was. I hate he had knee injuries
@@Mandownsports hell yeah brother, I was born in ‘86 into a family where The Browns always took precedence (the ‘95 move to Baltimore was basically 9/11 on the tragedy scale for my dad haha) but those late 80s early 90s Cavs teams came damn close. And as a little white kid who loved basketball and could shoot lights out but could barely jump over my own shoe lace, Mark Price was THE GOAT as far as I was concerned. And ironically, the fans of “Cleveland’s chosen one” want to rewrite history and act like MJ never beat anybody, even tho he single handedly erased those great Cavs teams from historical memory. I could go on and on but here’s one way I look at it, my dad passed in ‘96 not long after MJ’s “comeback.” If I could hypothetically give him an update on everything that happened since, that Michael Jordan literally ran off another 3 straight championships in his mid 30s with a completely new roster except for Pippen, but that we drafted a guy who is supposedly “better” than Jordan, and played the same number of seasons for the Cavs as MJ did for the Bulls, but the Bulls still have more 3peats than the Cavs do championships, how does that make any sense? I mean, it’s not like LeBron won 4 or 5 championships for the Cavs, and due to other variables wasn’t able to win AS many for the Cavs. But MJ literally won TWO 3peats in 11 season for the struggling franchise that drafted him. Lebron won ONE championship for the struggling franchise that drafted him, and that was AFTER he left and the franchise was able to accumulate 3 first picks in the entire draft…I mean, I spent almost my entire adult life rooting for Lebron and I could write a 15pg thesis on why he’s not even close to MJ, but I think this comment is long enough
When you are solo, you have the best channel outside of Old Angry Hoops.
Love your content and takes.
Phenomenal is also up there! Thanks for stating facts.
Lefraud James?
Nah.
Thanks bro
Larry Jordan is the goat, and Johnny Kilroy is number 2. 🙏🏾
Wilt Chamberlain is the G.O.A.T.
Wilt's records are so amazing, most people don't even believe they are true until they cross-check them with multiple sources.
To those who say Wilt played during an easy era - if that were true, why wasn't there dozens of Wilt's in the league during Chamberlain's time?
There was only 1 Wilt Chamberlain and there will only be 1 Wilt Chamberlain for years to come - he was and is the best of all time.
Jordan isn't even TOP 3 in the G.O.A.T. debate - Kareem is better than Jordan anyways.
You seem to be forgetting that there were only like 10 teams in the league back then. It's easier to win when there's like 1/3 of the teams than there are now. Kareem>MJ? Nah bro, I don't think so😂
@@JuggaloSupreme Have you seen the lack of defense in today's NBA - driving lanes and open space bigger than the Grand Canyon.
With all due respect, I think Kobe was the closest to Michael, but I also think Kobe was a phony. He looked a little too much like MJ. Stole his whole style. I think he wanted the type of fame MJ has. Kobe true identity wasn't that beast in practice, beast on defense, lives in the gym, tough on teammates..it was a mask he put on. He took all of that from a page out of MJ's book. He worked hard because Mike was known for working hard. If there's no MJ, you would've saw a whole different Kobe. Notice everything that's said about Mike, they said it about Kobe. That's no coincidence. So I think he only worked hard because he wanted to be talked about the same as MJ. Mike was obsessed with competing, Kobe was obsessed with Mike! 🤷
Legendary Kobe Bryant (RIP) wanted to be one of the NBA greats. Rightly, he saw iconic Michael Jordan as the best example. As the public knows, MJ and Kobe's relationship started as a friendly mentorship. Over time, they developed into being more like brothers. So, it's not unusual to compete with, emulate or measure yourself against your mentor/idol/big brother. Regardless, Kobe always gave credit where it was due. Clearly, they respected and cared for each other.
Agreed...Kobe was a great player....but he mimicked Mike damn near to a T....even doing the man fist pump celebration. The only thing he didn't steal is MJs signature tongue out. So glad he didn't....that would have been too much.
@@crharper25 lol. Ikr
you lost me when you said isaiah and the pistons passed the torch gracefully when they lost.. it was the most disgraceful display of sportsmanship by a champion team after they got beat(not even in the finals) by the guy who always wished them the best no matter how hurt he was from losing to them before.. boston doing that to them was not a valid excuse when they finally beat them..
That's not what I meant by "bow out gracefully." I meant by going away and not trying to team hop and join another superstar to try and take MJ down when it was his turn
Playing with no physicality or opposition only a few times in a finals. KD Russel and Harden were pups. Harden was the 6th man. Sad how they did this with Barkley Drexler Kobe Now Bron that means no matter how great Jordan and #2 has carried the NBA since he left. And he gave up against the Warriors. He had a good enough team to go out swinging like in game one. He doesn’t fight to win he’ll rather fight for stats and accept a run away loss. No Boston traded for Allen Garnet. This is 3 guys openly wanting to play together Carmelo was supposed to go with them.
This is what some people don't understand is that MJ is the greatest player to play the game regardless of whether he won any titles or not. The titles were the icing on the cake, but before the first title, people were all ready, saying that he was the greatest they have ever witnessed. So LeBron really can't top that no matter what or path he takes to try eclipse Mike.
Chris Jackson would kill this era basketball!! He was killing people back then!!
I agree
41:48 Duncan, Duncan, Duncan
Yeah, I'm mad I forgot to mention Timmy
the most dominant players of the league history were bad to subpar free throw shooters
False
@@Mandownsports so shaq and wilt didn’t struggled the ft line?
@@mickomicko1234 you said "MOST" dominate players. That's only 2 players Sir. For every two you name I can name 5 that don't struggle. MJ, Hakeem, Curry, KD & Bird.
@@Mandownsports when they refer the most dominant they mean only two Shaq and wilt they never mention curry or Hakeem or MJ in that category
Literally in the era they was in they were unstoppable in the paint which the title dominate was referred to those two individuals, MJ was league of his own, bird slowed down due to injuries and his equal was magic, KD needed people around him he never peaked MVP mentions again after winning his second championship and went to Brooklyn
MJ aint the GOAT! He is the the God of Basketball..
The point you made for us not really seeing Lebron go up against KD because Bron had prime Wade & Bosh , so it’s not a fair comparison.
What I don’t get is when ppl say MJ couldn’t beat Bird, when Bird had McHale, Dennis Johnson and Robert Parrish.
So Bird’s team had a supreme advantage over MJ’s Bulls. It wasn’t like MJ was up against a Celtics team with just Larry by himself. You know what I mean?
Yeah I know what you mean. MJ went through the superstars natural progression. Come to the league, show you belong, build a team around you, battle the giants to test how ready you and your team is, lose, get better, and battle the giants again until you beat them and become the giant, then stay a giant as long as possible and retire
They used to let the organization build the team around them. Which is better because when the player leaves the player leaves they get less heat from the fans and media.
Interesting 🤔
Wilt Chamberlain is the goat and its not even close 😉
I can dig it
Nah bro... vince was athletic, but he wasnt on jordans level... not even when it comes to jumping and vertical leaps. MJ and Wilt are the most athletic players the league has ever seen in my opinion. Vince only had like a 42 in vert, which is pretty crazy but when u compare it to MJ who had like a 48-50 inch vert, its not really much of a comparison. MJ and Wilt both have the highest recorded vertical leap in NBA history.
On the money about defense bro, defense is about caring… how much you care is how hard you try.
Facts
For the record, Coach Knight made that statement based on coaching Jordan in the summer of the1984 USA basketball team. LeBron was born on DEC 30 of 1984..... Jeeeezzzz
You can't be serious lol 😂
@@Mandownsports - Hell yeah I'm serious. What would Knight say about LeBron today? Averaging 24/7/7/ in his 21st season. He's the GOAT.
@@kloften6792 you don't have to guess, he already spoke on it
@@Mandownsports - Don't matter. I know what I see with my own eyes. Most people don't like him because of his political views. It has absolutely nothing with the game.
Like your content and your point of view.
Thanks
Kobe was drafted by Charolette traded to LA
Of course
Mj is coachable as well LeBron questions his coaches or doesnt listen Riley even said that. Coach Knight in 84 also said Jordan was the easiest player he ever coached when he coached Mj, Mullin, Perkins Alvin Robertson and role players as Knight called the rest of the team. Said Mj did exactly what the 84 US Olympic team needed him to. Knight cut Chuck and K.Malone as well they still Won all 8 of there games against the NBA all stars Magic,Bird,Zeke, Parish, Mchale my point Jordan always did what the coaches told him. In college Smith told Mj I have nothing else to teach you go pro don’t stay when Mj wanted to stay. Phil said I’m having Tex change the offense we will win Mike didn’t like it he liked Collins system at the time but he did what the coaches needed him to all dynasty’s have two things in common the same great players and coaches during their dynasty’s.
It’s like this,
Emmit Smith has rings and the rushing title with Dallas but…
Barry Sanders is still the best running back ever!
Jim Brown was great but, Barry is the best ever! Period.
This is a great video. I luv your depth in the sport of basketball
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Larry Bird said "That's not Michael Jordan!! That's God disguised as Michael Jordan" before Jordan ever even won a playoff game!!! In my opinion LeFlop James wasn't better than Dewayne Wade in Miami!! Wade has to be 1 of the more underrated players in NBA history!!!
You might be right about that
It s not that defense doesn't "mean" that much to them. Its becasue there not as talented at it. They're not as skilled at it. Believe me, they would love to be DPOY and still be their offensive self if they could. Please ANALYZE CORRECTLY. It's sorely missing in the public media.
How did i miss this video? This is a fantastic breakdown of basketball history Mel 👍, you covered everything without delving too much in details, thing about The G.O.A.T. and this is where i lose respect for ( Lebron, KD, Harden, Westbrick and company) there is established path of greatness for those who strive to be all time legendary players, there is a pattern or blueprint passed on from Bill and Wilt, to Dr.J, Oscar and Kareem, to Bird and Magic, Isaiah, MJ to Hakeem to Shaq and to Kob... there is no excusse, its a clear path... you wanna be great this is how you do it, you lead your team to the top, you run into hardships, you take the hits like a real man, work on improving yourself and come back stronger, you inspire your team to rise up to the challange and you go to battle, until you reach a point where you overcome the challange and you claim the top and "bragging right". Thats how it is, its about competition, Lebron took the easy road, lazy road, he broke from the established path of greatness and took the shortcut every single time. Like you pointed out, Kob is an exception because he respected the path of greatness and way game is maant to be played he knew he had to prove he can walk that path alone if he is "That Guy"... and he did, and everyone respects him for it. Great breakdown man, this has to be said and pointed out, there is so much dissrespect going on and smoke screens, putting people in conversations they dong belong to... great job Mel 👍 respect.
Thanks, glad you understood what I was trying to say. Some people don't get it
@@Mandownsports Its common sence, great breakdown its always good to hear people standing up and saying like it is 👍💪
Facts!!!!
I really really like man Downs Sports
Glad you enjoy the content Sir
I can’t agree with you more on everything, I easily name so many recent dudes like JR Smith or Terrence Ross who got no reason for not being stars or super stars but just an average career? Only things come to mind, lack of basketball IQ or work ethic I could be wrong but 🤷🏿♂️. Also what’s more saddening when you talk to these millennials they think reason for the high scoring output got nothing to do with defensive rule changed (no hand check and a stare down is a tech?)….Adam Silver 🤷🏿♂️🤷🏿♂️
MJ and Kobe took the staircases to get their Chips Lebron James took the elevator 🛗 Lebron is one dimensional player Kobe showed the world small sample size how it would have went down when he guarded Lebron James last 5 minutes 2013 All star game picked he's pocket blocked he's shot twice & walked over to MJ said that MF can't score on me😂😂
Hakeem’s post game? Kevin Mchale? Footwork and post games!
Imagine Lefraud having that post game at 6’9?!
He has no bag! Point forward fraud!
I think it’s Jordan then you can do your top ten.
Agreed
Bird won 3 not 4
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No great coach shall ever say good things about Lebron. Period.
Coach Killer Lebron.
Mike James has 2 Coach of the Year Awards.
Kobe went out and won 2 more rings!
If everyone thinks Bron is trash then why keep talking about the same topic? The guy is damn near 40. He will be retiring soon so hopefully you have a backup topic to lean on.
Michael Jeffrey Jordan will always be the goat
Agreed
He rebuilds Miami wherever he at but AD doesn’t excel at the Bosh roll. So how do you compliment that is to have 3 scorers AR 15 Russel Dinwiddi this leaves no Mike Miller James Jones Battier type player-vets with high IQ and 3 and D. These young dudes want to use there athletic ability are around not just sit in a corner.
Michael is the Goat Lebron is in my Top 10 But below Jordan magic Kobe etc
Agreed
You talk to much
That's why I have a talk show