@@TransistorLSDactually it was inverted phase reveal, since It was the young him and he is old now, if we had a pic of him old we could do a null test to see if it’s really him
@@AL-qj9yh I'm not sure a null test would help much. He's gone through filtering and EQ by this time, after all. Fundamental frequency and the more prominent harmonics would still be the same though, right?
I would, in a heartbeat, happily pay for an ear training course from you Dan. I think that many would, made aware and given access to it, profit enormously from such a thing as this.
You could set up a patreon account which is pretty convenient from what i heard. but a Dan Worral OF sounds hilarious and would be my first and last account Id follow on the platform hahaha
You are really the best recording expert there is on TH-cam, no questions asked man. It's neither just your professional skills, the way you edit your videos or other aspects of your apparent personality. Your whole vibe is just incredible. You bring something relevant to any question we might ask ourselves or any problem we can encouter. A 1000 cheers for that.
I just graduated in Music Production and Engineering at Berklee College of Music. They teach us frequency ear training in the audio classes with boosting and cutting frequencies on white noise and having to figure out the frequency. It was laborious and I hated it while learning it but it truly opened up the EQ for me and all of a sudden I felt I could finally “use my ears” because I finally knew what to listen for
I ALWAYS cut 500Hz at 8:40. Everyone does that. Just kidding I could use the info he's talking about. I'm not as against frequency masking as most people seem to be... but I didn't know what "too much 500Hz in the drums" sounded like. Disclaimer: I don't mix music for other people, so that's not scandalous.
@@GizzyDillespee Regarding masking, there is a introductory lecture from a uni on psychoacoustics. The playlist: Psychoacoustics lessons from Audio Information Processing TUM. It really helped me improve my mixes. Particularly the masking around the 200-800 Hz range, and how it (like any masking) disproportionally affects the high-end. Way further up than you'd expect. Now I handle that range for the culprit, instead of boosting high-ends of the other tracks. Also, whomever your intended audience is (albeit just you), a shitty mix enshittifies even the best songs. The composition, arrangement, execution, might all be perfect. If the mix bad, the song bad.
I've been on and off learning music production for two years as a hobby. Your pragmatic perspective, way of teaching and the knowledge itself is of the highest quality that I find anywhere online. Usually I'll try to search for a specific topic I'm interested in, but in reality it's not what I need. Just browsing through your clips I get to discover userful concepts and skills that bring me the most value. Having a fullly structured course from you on any topic is something i'd 100% buy because it's simply so effective for me
Ear training can indeed be very powerful. About a decade ago I did one that I believe was called "Perfect Pitch Ear Training Supercourse" (it was a series of mp3s and probably a couple of PDFs), and after a couple of months of daily training I was able to play groups of random 8 notes simultaneously and identify each by its "colour" - like people born with perfect pitch are able to do I reckon. I didn't stick to it afterwards but even today I can identify different notes sometimes, with some concentration. There was also a course for relative pitch.
I was five when my distinguished teacher told my dad I had PP. It meant nothing to me until my 50s and started working in music from semi pro to professional. During those years, I told friends and family the pitch of car horns, glasses, cat meows and even farts. I could always prove it by running to the piano which I kept at A-440 , a Bösendorfer tuned 4 times a year. I once failed a choir audition because the tester transposed my line down a 4th meaning I had to sing different notes from the score. I couldn't because it was a lie to my brain. My point? PP is not something you can learn and I'd have preferred to have been more successful at other things but in the end it was like a reverse disease as I was no good at anything else in my life. As Rachmaninov said, Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.
nah in my opinion TH-cam members would be the best but if you really don't want that, Patreon is also an option. it's a great idea for a video series and definitely something people need.
I had a full semester course like this in college for my audio engineering degree. The first half of the semester we trained on boosts/cuts of 12dB with a graphic EQ. The second half was 6dB boosts/cuts. Usually on music. We also assigned a lot of adjectives to these sounds. Now when I train newer engineers both live and in the studio, one of their main questions is “how do I know where that frequency is just by hearing it.” It’s from that training, the adjectives, and EQing thousands of times. So a course like you’re discussing is incredibly useful and helpful!
I would gladly pay for an ear training course from you, Dan! EDIT: proof of my readiness to pay for a course from you was that I posted the above before I even finished listening to this. So to answer your final question: I recommend you create your own site and offer either a one time "lifetime" membership charge at several hundred dollars, or an annual membership fee at a cheaper price point. Two main reasons to make your own site: cut out the middlemen so we're only paying you, and "own" your customers. And by that I mean, you have the data of who wants what you're selling, and no platform is your overlord, at whose discretion you could be completely estranged from your audience at a moment's notice (as we've seen on TH-cam, for instance, through the years.) My two cents! Thanks for your teaching Dan, and I look forward to taking your ear training course.
ooh that does sound interesting, and it's cool to see the idea reinforced of what I've been figuring out on my own - to give "space" to important instruments' main freq range by cutting other instruments in the same range. It sounds weird solo'd, but when everything is playing you don't hear that "missing" cut on those tracks. Forget if it was this channel or another which suggested to not hyperfixate on how each track sounds solo'd, because after all the final mix isn't listening in solo... And if the cut sounds weird solo'd, you can just automate disabling it when the "main" instrument doesn't play and the "cut" instrument becomes more prominent. Another mixing "trick" I've seen, is equating different ranges in the freq spectrum to different vowel sounds... It's very clear when it's band boosted over pink noise, but it can be a lot harder to learn how to listen for that in real use cases/on actual instruments. Maybe that'd be worth touching on in the courses?
I've described music production to friends as "creating, writing, and performing a symphony all by yourself, just with sounds no one'e ever heard before" many times in the past. It feels good to have a thought about music making similar to Dan's 😅
If I didn't have good ears that I've been training already but doing ok the job work, and also training in a musical context I would definitely consider buying a course from you that would help me train my ears. I don't know if i'd get it if it wasn't you making it, you are a superb educator especially on this platform.
posting it on 0F would be hilarious honestly I wouldn't mind using youtube membership for it, definitely would grab it asap the only issue with youtube is that it'd be subscription based, and for basically an access to videos... it doesn't bring the best feeling It also heavily depends on how you'd want to build the course.... single time payment obviously makes much more sense if you're just gonna create the most comprehensive course from the start, with less emphasis on updates or new content, more emphasis on the first release. And subscription makes more sense for if you're gonna keep adding more and more things to it, more emphasis on updates/new content.
Sound Gym is an AWESOME tool for learning things like the freqency spectrum by ear, and relative gain boosts and reduction numbers, again by ear, as well as panning positions by ear (all for free). Then if you sub to the paid model you get a ton of other exersizes (and they aren't limeted like the free ones) and can learn gain reduction of compressors by ear and all sorts of interesting ear training tit bits!
I've always wondered how, when frequencies resonate in our skulls and jaws, how the proximity to our inner ear effects our ability to determine good tuning or perfect pitch. Great video!
Yes! This is so important. We do it a lot in audio related educations here in Denmark, but not as much as we probably should. It'd be nice if maybe one of the videos from this course were to be made free so that we could see how in depth you go.
Of interest to you might be the Golden Ears ear training course. It used to be distributed on cd, now they have an online version. That being mentioned, I still love the idea of paying for Dan’s Freq’ing Audio Course distributed via OF lol.
This is like when I was reading Cedric Chin's change of mind on note taking, then experimenting with his "Case Library", then finally having the case library be a flagship product of his entire blog. He writes really high quality articles on acquiring skills ("tacit knowledge"), also bringing a bunch of research into more accessible forms of reading. I think his work on burnout, extracting knowledge from experts, and the "vocab point" (how experts end up coining their own terms) can be particularly interesting in this case.
I’ve had a hobby home studio for 20 years. I’m no professional, but not a beginner either. If you created a straightforward, basic mixing course, I’d buy that in a heartbeat. You’ve shared a ton of knowledge on TH-cam, but having a full, no-nonsense course with your teaching skills would be invaluable. A lot of bits of info would fall into place, and it would add things that the super interesting deep dives into plugins and stuff can’t (and don’t try to). It would add an overall perspective and a more complete picture of mixing as a craft, in your view. It would be a gift to humanity. I’d definitely pay for an ear training course as well, though!
It used to be so simple to just go to a shop and buy the content you wanted on some storage device. Then streaming platforms made that more comforable and now it's like you need an account with all your personal data in yet an other database and a subscription for every single thing you'll ever wanna watch. Point is: I'd be happiest to pay directly to you to just get the videos, excluding subscriptions and accounts and memberships.
Sometimes as a customer. I just want to give someone money because they’ve given me so much good content for free. Beato, for example. I bought the ear training course, and then paid $75 more for everything else. I don’t ever look at it. I made myself some feedback tones in the exact frequencies of a 31-band eq. I burnt them onto a CD and played said CD at random. Then I’d guess the frequency before it was revealed by Stephen Hawkins voice about 8 seconds later. Ai did the same by boosting frequencies in Pink Noise. The also added chords and modes to the mic eventually. Burning longer CDs, and eventually creating mp3 playlists to be played at random, 25 years later, I’m pretty ok at guessing right most of the time. Anyways, I’ll buy your course Dan, just to pay for all the value you’ve already given me. Btw, feedback is so much easier to catch now that RTAs are standard. I use my phone’s RTA and gently say to the sound guy “I need you to take out some 320hz”.
Easy way is to boost the problem frequencies, and if it gets worse, cut it until it sounds better. If you run out of available cut, increase the bandwidth (q) and try the cut again. You do have to know where to begin though, and for that ear training is 100% critical.
I would be interested. As a follow up, though, listening to different compression types and distortion types would make a great course. I find those things aren’t covered well, especially distortion - I haven’t found a really systematic tutorial on identifying and using different distortion types.
Great idea for a course and Patreon would probably be the best for me - not sure I could explain an OF account to my partner, lol! I'm classically-trained and although all that ear-training I did is helpful, audio engineering is slightly different in that you're dealing with concepts like "depth", "imaging", "separation", etc. which are a bit different to musical concepts like "pitches", "parts", etc. So I think a course would be really helpful. Cheers!
Hello Dan! Thank you for all the valuable tutorials you've been making. I don't have any platform suggestions but will be buying the course once it's available.
When I entered college as a Music Composition major, I was essentially tone deaf. Over years of practice, I've developed a pretty solid ear when it comes to identifying intervals, chords and scales. Took a lot of work, but I believe you're right, anyone can learn the ear training required.
I'm relatively new to your channel, but I love your down to earth approach. And I love your musical examples. Im also classicaly trained Double Bass player! Which also means I played a lot of jazz etc...but really my heart and soul is in dub and electronic music (Of course I also play bass guitar...its the same as double bass). Love to do a tutorial with you. Ive been doing audio/music writing and production for 20 years, but no formal training, and I think maybe I need some?
At my school we did ear training. Had a whole semester on hearing and identifying boosts and cuts. But what helped the most was live sound training, both with feedback and with cutting mud and honkiness with vocals.
I would definitely pay for a course, I feel like EQ is actually the biggest thing I want to improve. I’m doing well and can recognise frequency “areas” but I’m not that accurate yet so anything to speed that up would be great
Fabfilter Q3 and a lot of other modern VST plugins allow you to see the overlap of frequencies between different tracks, making it easier to deal with frequency masking.
I would definitely be interested in paying for that course. I got very valuable ear training / aural skills classes in college, but they were focused on stuff live musicians need, like identifying intervals, rhythms, chords, solfege, etc. It daunts me a bit that ear training for mixing is essentially like learning a crude approximation of perfect pitch, but it's clearly possible and I'd like to learn.
Not sure about whether I'd pay for a course. I can crank up 500Hz on the drums, on my mixer, and hear what it sounds like. The main thing is, I hadn't thought to try that for that purpose🤣. Though I've done the same thing (exaggerating a narrow Q sweep) many times in the past, in order to try and find the frequency of an annoying ringing sound in a timbre, so that I could cut the right band. I wouldn't be interested in listening to static individual sine waves for very long, I'm afraid. Younger people, on an upward trajectory, should consider it... but they've statistically got the least money to spend. I hope you find the right balance of course material, audience, payment and platform. Good luck.
hey Dan! Love your vids. A small note on the sines you played, as someone with severe tinnitus (experiencing it as a resonant high-pitched frequency from 6k and up with a loudness that would put many a festival to shame), a heads-up/warning would have been appreciated, as I'll be hearing it for days to come. Not blaming you, but it is sadly a really painful experience.
@@DanWorrall like I said, no blame. So, no worries! And I'm probably at the point where I'd hear it if its very muffled somewhere in the background. Having said that, the amount of high pitched sine sounds for flashbangs and concussions in movies/games is too darn high, hehe.
Hi Dan, Thanks so much for all your amazing content over the years! Responding to your question: yes, I would gladly buy an ear training course from you. I have no idea what would be the best format or delivery. Price wise I would gladly pay $70 USD, knowing I am getting great content. $100 USD I would probably still buy it, because I know any course made by you would be worth far more, but I do tend to be reluctant to pay more. And, on the other end of the spectrum, people would undervalue any course for $20 or less, thinking "How good could it be at that bargain basement price?" Personally, I need the frequency training courses that are useful for a sound engineer. I am a professional musician, so I already understand notes, chords, arrangement, etc. I know a lot about compression and use compressors, but if you had tutorials on those, I would be interested in those as well. Thanks again for all the amazing videos you've created, Dan - I've always learned something from every video!
Hey Dan, I'm currently applying to a university to pursue a degree in music production. One of the aptitude tests that you need to pass requires you to do exactly what you were talking about, being able to name intervals and such just by hearing. So, yes, an ear training course would be fantastic, because I suck at hearing, and that test is hard. Cheers
I was pretty good at those types of ear tests thanks to my classical training. But training to hear frequencies is a totally different skill, I started at zero there!
I've genuinely been mystified by the fact that most audio schools hardly ever even talk about the importance of training ears. Here in Finland we have Sibelius-Academy which is mostly art/music school, but also has master's degree in sound design and bachelor of music technology which both to my knowledge has requirement for training ears, but that's pretty much the only school I've heard they do that and it's no wonder since it's one of the leading art uni's in the world.
Dan, you are the only sound engineer I trust on TH-cam. I would buy an ear training course by you in a heartbeat. Thank you for all the invaluable information you gave us over the years!
So I have no idea what you should charge or which format you should use but I will say that I would be very interested and would be willing to pay for the content you describe. I'd really like to be kept informed. Would that be through this channel?
In the corporate AV world we ring out rooms very often and use peak meters installed into the digital board or use our phones to see the peaks. Nobody can do it by ear hahaha
I’d be interested in a ear-training course, as long as it is reasonably priced and no subscription-model. Something like pay per video and get a reduction for buying a package.
I would pay for a series of videos like that from you, no question. I am partial to TH-cam, but I'm sure most of us would be happy to follow you to whatever hosting makes most sense to you. Patreon?
Definitely make the course, and I feel like it should definitely be for a fee. If its anything like the rest of your content, you'll be able to instruct and explain it in a way no one else has, and that your course be of value for both beginners and pros. A fee will cut down on other youtubers borrowing your language and claiming it as their own without giving a credit to your work. I look forward to it. If god existed, you'd be doing his work. Thanks Dan for all you do!
I would pay for it. This is the biggest issue I face on a day-to-day. I prefer pay once, get it all, learn at my own speed. You could just host it on your own site.
I'd certainly be up for apaid ear training course from you, yes! not a clue as to what platform...have done courses on loads and can't say anything jumped out as being better than the rest.
if you do a course, release it with a mostly good mix that needs a bit of work, so that people can apply the things they are learning to real tracks on their own time.
I'm now in a quandry…I respect your expertise greatly and believe that you would create a top-notch, intelligent and practical course-which I think you should, by the way. I just think that I'm not in the right position to make full use of it!!! For what it's worth, I think you're the 'real deal'+1. Really hope your final decision work out to be the best one! :o) …and no, I don't have any useful advice on which platform you should host and distribute your course on-sorry!
Would absolutely support a paid course for this. Perhaps you could spin up your own domain though? 'Only Bands - All audible frequency bands all the time'.
Hi Dan! U would be interested in purchasing your ear training course as well as other topics if you create them. Maybe make them available through a website with login credentials required. Thanks for such great content. Cheers!
It doesn't matter that you gave away your best stuff away for free, what people say and willing to pay is for your curated knowledge. The way how you analyze and present your thoughts and points is what got us all attacked to you. So in other words people , including myself, are willing to pay you because of YOU.
Here to say that the "Face Reveal" in the thumbnail wasn't just clickbait. It's real
Now the real question is... Phase reveal, when?
It's a buildup to the Onlyfans page for sure
@@TransistorLSDactually it was inverted phase reveal, since It was the young him and he is old now, if we had a pic of him old we could do a null test to see if it’s really him
@@AL-qj9yh Makes sense!
@@AL-qj9yh I'm not sure a null test would help much. He's gone through filtering and EQ by this time, after all. Fundamental frequency and the more prominent harmonics would still be the same though, right?
YOU'VE TAUGHT ME EVERYTHING I KNOW ABOUT ANYTHING. THANK YOU DAN. I WISH YOU TAUGHT ME HOW TO FIX KEYBOARDS THOUGH IM HAVING A TOUGH TIME RIGHT NOW.
Too much 1kHz!
"Everything about anything" Damn DW you're good!
my life is the same
I would, in a heartbeat, happily pay for an ear training course from you Dan. I think that many would, made aware and given access to it, profit enormously from such a thing as this.
Heavily agree, and wanted to comment so it's extra visible.
I would definetly be into that idea as well!
Count me in!
Yes please
Absofuckinglutely.
You could set up a patreon account which is pretty convenient from what i heard. but a Dan Worral OF sounds hilarious and would be my first and last account Id follow on the platform hahaha
I can imagine trying to explain this to my wife when she sees the bill...
Make it in TH-cam membership please
exactly this!
I'd still have trouble explaining an OF entry on the credit card bill to my wife.
So, I'd be doing you a favour by forcing you to address the trust issues in your relationship.
I'd buy an OF from Dan no question asked!
Me as well!
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Agree!
You are really the best recording expert there is on TH-cam, no questions asked man. It's neither just your professional skills, the way you edit your videos or other aspects of your apparent personality. Your whole vibe is just incredible. You bring something relevant to any question we might ask ourselves or any problem we can encouter.
A 1000 cheers for that.
I just graduated in Music Production and Engineering at Berklee College of Music. They teach us frequency ear training in the audio classes with boosting and cutting frequencies on white noise and having to figure out the frequency. It was laborious and I hated it while learning it but it truly opened up the EQ for me and all of a sudden I felt I could finally “use my ears” because I finally knew what to listen for
Dude the 500hz cut at 8:40 is genius 😂
I ALWAYS cut 500Hz at 8:40. Everyone does that.
Just kidding I could use the info he's talking about. I'm not as against frequency masking as most people seem to be... but I didn't know what "too much 500Hz in the drums" sounded like.
Disclaimer: I don't mix music for other people, so that's not scandalous.
Came here to say that hahaha
Try Mighty Networks. I like it for this kind of paid learning. Nice platform.
@@GizzyDillespee Regarding masking, there is a introductory lecture from a uni on psychoacoustics. The playlist: Psychoacoustics lessons from Audio Information Processing TUM.
It really helped me improve my mixes. Particularly the masking around the 200-800 Hz range, and how it (like any masking) disproportionally affects the high-end. Way further up than you'd expect. Now I handle that range for the culprit, instead of boosting high-ends of the other tracks.
Also, whomever your intended audience is (albeit just you), a shitty mix enshittifies even the best songs. The composition, arrangement, execution, might all be perfect. If the mix bad, the song bad.
I've been on and off learning music production for two years as a hobby. Your pragmatic perspective, way of teaching and the knowledge itself is of the highest quality that I find anywhere online.
Usually I'll try to search for a specific topic I'm interested in, but in reality it's not what I need. Just browsing through your clips I get to discover userful concepts and skills that bring me the most value.
Having a fullly structured course from you on any topic is something i'd 100% buy because it's simply so effective for me
Dan dropping low effort but high value wisdom. Love it.
Ear training can indeed be very powerful. About a decade ago I did one that I believe was called "Perfect Pitch Ear Training Supercourse" (it was a series of mp3s and probably a couple of PDFs), and after a couple of months of daily training I was able to play groups of random 8 notes simultaneously and identify each by its "colour" - like people born with perfect pitch are able to do I reckon. I didn't stick to it afterwards but even today I can identify different notes sometimes, with some concentration. There was also a course for relative pitch.
I was five when my distinguished teacher told my dad I had PP. It meant nothing to me until my 50s and started working in music from semi pro to professional. During those years, I told friends and family the pitch of car horns, glasses, cat meows and even farts. I could always prove it by running to the piano which I kept at A-440 , a Bösendorfer tuned 4 times a year. I once failed a choir audition because the tester transposed my line down a 4th meaning I had to sing different notes from the score. I couldn't because it was a lie to my brain. My point? PP is not something you can learn and I'd have preferred to have been more successful at other things but in the end it was like a reverse disease as I was no good at anything else in my life. As Rachmaninov said, Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.
David Lucas Burge! Highly recommend that course.
nah in my opinion TH-cam members would be the best but if you really don't want that, Patreon is also an option. it's a great idea for a video series and definitely something people need.
To be honest I was thinking Patreon as a platform as well.
I had a full semester course like this in college for my audio engineering degree. The first half of the semester we trained on boosts/cuts of 12dB with a graphic EQ. The second half was 6dB boosts/cuts. Usually on music. We also assigned a lot of adjectives to these sounds.
Now when I train newer engineers both live and in the studio, one of their main questions is “how do I know where that frequency is just by hearing it.” It’s from that training, the adjectives, and EQing thousands of times. So a course like you’re discussing is incredibly useful and helpful!
I would gladly pay for an ear training course from you, Dan!
EDIT: proof of my readiness to pay for a course from you was that I posted the above before I even finished listening to this. So to answer your final question: I recommend you create your own site and offer either a one time "lifetime" membership charge at several hundred dollars, or an annual membership fee at a cheaper price point.
Two main reasons to make your own site: cut out the middlemen so we're only paying you, and "own" your customers. And by that I mean, you have the data of who wants what you're selling, and no platform is your overlord, at whose discretion you could be completely estranged from your audience at a moment's notice (as we've seen on TH-cam, for instance, through the years.) My two cents! Thanks for your teaching Dan, and I look forward to taking your ear training course.
ooh that does sound interesting, and it's cool to see the idea reinforced of what I've been figuring out on my own - to give "space" to important instruments' main freq range by cutting other instruments in the same range.
It sounds weird solo'd, but when everything is playing you don't hear that "missing" cut on those tracks. Forget if it was this channel or another which suggested to not hyperfixate on how each track sounds solo'd, because after all the final mix isn't listening in solo... And if the cut sounds weird solo'd, you can just automate disabling it when the "main" instrument doesn't play and the "cut" instrument becomes more prominent.
Another mixing "trick" I've seen, is equating different ranges in the freq spectrum to different vowel sounds... It's very clear when it's band boosted over pink noise, but it can be a lot harder to learn how to listen for that in real use cases/on actual instruments. Maybe that'd be worth touching on in the courses?
Best thing I've heard, "recognize where the arrangement was trying to get to...." Now that's audio engineering at its best.
I've described music production to friends as "creating, writing, and performing a symphony all by yourself, just with sounds no one'e ever heard before" many times in the past. It feels good to have a thought about music making similar to Dan's 😅
If I didn't have good ears that I've been training already but doing ok the job work, and also training in a musical context I would definitely consider buying a course from you that would help me train my ears. I don't know if i'd get it if it wasn't you making it, you are a superb educator especially on this platform.
Yes please Dan - make the course. I’m in.
yes the "shut up and take my money" meme is an older meme, but it checks out, especially in this case.
posting it on 0F would be hilarious
honestly I wouldn't mind using youtube membership for it, definitely would grab it asap
the only issue with youtube is that it'd be subscription based, and for basically an access to videos... it doesn't bring the best feeling
It also heavily depends on how you'd want to build the course.... single time payment obviously makes much more sense if you're just gonna create the most comprehensive course from the start, with less emphasis on updates or new content, more emphasis on the first release. And subscription makes more sense for if you're gonna keep adding more and more things to it, more emphasis on updates/new content.
Would 100% pay for that course!
Sound Gym is an AWESOME tool for learning things like the freqency spectrum by ear, and relative gain boosts and reduction numbers, again by ear, as well as panning positions by ear (all for free). Then if you sub to the paid model you get a ton of other exersizes (and they aren't limeted like the free ones) and can learn gain reduction of compressors by ear and all sorts of interesting ear training tit bits!
Would definitely pay for a course as you describe. Put it on whatever platform doesn't take a huge cut from you - you deserve it all.
I've always wondered how, when frequencies resonate in our skulls and jaws, how the proximity to our inner ear effects our ability to determine good tuning or perfect pitch. Great video!
I would happily pay for a course by you Dan. I am also a fan of some kind of an interactive class.
Yes! This is so important. We do it a lot in audio related educations here in Denmark, but not as much as we probably should. It'd be nice if maybe one of the videos from this course were to be made free so that we could see how in depth you go.
Well, that's a mandatory purchase if I even seen one 😄
Of interest to you might be the Golden Ears ear training course. It used to be distributed on cd, now they have an online version. That being mentioned, I still love the idea of paying for Dan’s Freq’ing Audio Course distributed via OF lol.
This is like when I was reading Cedric Chin's change of mind on note taking, then experimenting with his "Case Library", then finally having the case library be a flagship product of his entire blog.
He writes really high quality articles on acquiring skills ("tacit knowledge"), also bringing a bunch of research into more accessible forms of reading.
I think his work on burnout, extracting knowledge from experts, and the "vocab point" (how experts end up coining their own terms) can be particularly interesting in this case.
I’ve had a hobby home studio for 20 years. I’m no professional, but not a beginner either. If you created a straightforward, basic mixing course, I’d buy that in a heartbeat. You’ve shared a ton of knowledge on TH-cam, but having a full, no-nonsense course with your teaching skills would be invaluable. A lot of bits of info would fall into place, and it would add things that the super interesting deep dives into plugins and stuff can’t (and don’t try to). It would add an overall perspective and a more complete picture of mixing as a craft, in your view. It would be a gift to humanity.
I’d definitely pay for an ear training course as well, though!
Hi Dan, i strictly only operate on OF these days so would be nice to have the vids there… Looking forward to it
I wanna write "Shut up and take my money!" but it feels so inpolite to say that to you! 🤣
It used to be so simple to just go to a shop and buy the content you wanted on some storage device. Then streaming platforms made that more comforable and now it's like you need an account with all your personal data in yet an other database and a subscription for every single thing you'll ever wanna watch.
Point is: I'd be happiest to pay directly to you to just get the videos, excluding subscriptions and accounts and memberships.
I would absolutely pay for an ear training course from you
Sometimes as a customer. I just want to give someone money because they’ve given me so much good content for free. Beato, for example. I bought the ear training course, and then paid $75 more for everything else. I don’t ever look at it. I made myself some feedback tones in the exact frequencies of a 31-band eq. I burnt them onto a CD and played said CD at random. Then I’d guess the frequency before it was revealed by Stephen Hawkins voice about 8 seconds later. Ai did the same by boosting frequencies in Pink Noise. The also added chords and modes to the mic eventually. Burning longer CDs, and eventually creating mp3 playlists to be played at random, 25 years later, I’m pretty ok at guessing right most of the time. Anyways, I’ll buy your course Dan, just to pay for all the value you’ve already given me.
Btw, feedback is so much easier to catch now that RTAs are standard. I use my phone’s RTA and gently say to the sound guy “I need you to take out some 320hz”.
Easy way is to boost the problem frequencies, and if it gets worse, cut it until it sounds better. If you run out of available cut, increase the bandwidth (q) and try the cut again. You do have to know where to begin though, and for that ear training is 100% critical.
I would be interested. As a follow up, though, listening to different compression types and distortion types would make a great course. I find those things aren’t covered well, especially distortion - I haven’t found a really systematic tutorial on identifying and using different distortion types.
Great idea for a course and Patreon would probably be the best for me - not sure I could explain an OF account to my partner, lol! I'm classically-trained and although all that ear-training I did is helpful, audio engineering is slightly different in that you're dealing with concepts like "depth", "imaging", "separation", etc. which are a bit different to musical concepts like "pitches", "parts", etc. So I think a course would be really helpful. Cheers!
Hello Dan! Thank you for all the valuable tutorials you've been making. I don't have any platform suggestions but will be buying the course once it's available.
When I entered college as a Music Composition major, I was essentially tone deaf. Over years of practice, I've developed a pretty solid ear when it comes to identifying intervals, chords and scales. Took a lot of work, but I believe you're right, anyone can learn the ear training required.
I'm relatively new to your channel, but I love your down to earth approach. And I love your musical examples. Im also classicaly trained Double Bass player! Which also means I played a lot of jazz etc...but really my heart and soul is in dub and electronic music (Of course I also play bass guitar...its the same as double bass).
Love to do a tutorial with you. Ive been doing audio/music writing and production for 20 years, but no formal training, and I think maybe I need some?
I'd 100% pay for an ear training course from you!
6:45 Yes. We want it.
I really hope you create that course!
At my school we did ear training. Had a whole semester on hearing and identifying boosts and cuts. But what helped the most was live sound training, both with feedback and with cutting mud and honkiness with vocals.
I would definitely pay for a course, I feel like EQ is actually the biggest thing I want to improve. I’m doing well and can recognise frequency “areas” but I’m not that accurate yet so anything to speed that up would be great
I would absolutely pay for an ear training course!
Fabfilter Q3 and a lot of other modern VST plugins allow you to see the overlap of frequencies between different tracks, making it easier to deal with frequency masking.
In theory. In practise I've yet to find one that agrees with what my ears tell me.
I’m positive you would make hugely beneficial and top quality ear training course.
I would definitely be interested in paying for that course. I got very valuable ear training / aural skills classes in college, but they were focused on stuff live musicians need, like identifying intervals, rhythms, chords, solfege, etc. It daunts me a bit that ear training for mixing is essentially like learning a crude approximation of perfect pitch, but it's clearly possible and I'd like to learn.
I would absolutely pay for a course by you
Not sure about whether I'd pay for a course. I can crank up 500Hz on the drums, on my mixer, and hear what it sounds like. The main thing is, I hadn't thought to try that for that purpose🤣. Though I've done the same thing (exaggerating a narrow Q sweep) many times in the past, in order to try and find the frequency of an annoying ringing sound in a timbre, so that I could cut the right band.
I wouldn't be interested in listening to static individual sine waves for very long, I'm afraid. Younger people, on an upward trajectory, should consider it... but they've statistically got the least money to spend. I hope you find the right balance of course material, audience, payment and platform. Good luck.
I like that green visualization is basically hand showing FU sign
Lol. In fact the logo is a stylised "dw" and the animation is a spectrum analyser, 100Hz on the left up to 8k on the right, RMS levels.
An ear training course from DW: That sounds intriguing. Its difficult, challenging and boring at the same time, ithink you could make it engaging.😊
I'd love to hear your 31 bands for a while :)
hey Dan! Love your vids.
A small note on the sines you played, as someone with severe tinnitus (experiencing it as a resonant high-pitched frequency from 6k and up with a loudness that would put many a festival to shame), a heads-up/warning would have been appreciated, as I'll be hearing it for days to come.
Not blaming you, but it is sadly a really painful experience.
Really sorry. I thought I'd mixed it too quiet in all honesty...
@@DanWorrall like I said, no blame. So, no worries!
And I'm probably at the point where I'd hear it if its very muffled somewhere in the background.
Having said that, the amount of high pitched sine sounds for flashbangs and concussions in movies/games is too darn high, hehe.
Dan. You are the best at this on YT. cheers. j.
Any kind of interactivity whatsoever would be a huge benefit in my opinion, I feel that's blatantly missing from most online master classes
I would definitely pay for the ear training course, as long as the price is reasonable.
Hi Dan,
Thanks so much for all your amazing content over the years!
Responding to your question: yes, I would gladly buy an ear training course from you. I have no idea what would be the best format or delivery. Price wise I would gladly pay $70 USD, knowing I am getting great content. $100 USD I would probably still buy it, because I know any course made by you would be worth far more, but I do tend to be reluctant to pay more. And, on the other end of the spectrum, people would undervalue any course for $20 or less, thinking "How good could it be at that bargain basement price?"
Personally, I need the frequency training courses that are useful for a sound engineer. I am a professional musician, so I already understand notes, chords, arrangement, etc. I know a lot about compression and use compressors, but if you had tutorials on those, I would be interested in those as well.
Thanks again for all the amazing videos you've created, Dan - I've always learned something from every video!
I'm honestly not interested in subscriptions, but I'd love a one time purchase of any course you'd offer!
Hey Dan,
I'm currently applying to a university to pursue a degree in music production. One of the aptitude tests that you need to pass requires you to do exactly what you were talking about, being able to name intervals and such just by hearing. So, yes, an ear training course would be fantastic, because I suck at hearing, and that test is hard.
Cheers
I was pretty good at those types of ear tests thanks to my classical training. But training to hear frequencies is a totally different skill, I started at zero there!
I would gladly pay for the ear training program from you!
Thanks, musical Father.
I've genuinely been mystified by the fact that most audio schools hardly ever even talk about the importance of training ears. Here in Finland we have Sibelius-Academy which is mostly art/music school, but also has master's degree in sound design and bachelor of music technology which both to my knowledge has requirement for training ears, but that's pretty much the only school I've heard they do that and it's no wonder since it's one of the leading art uni's in the world.
I would be happy to pay for such a formation from you.
I don't mind the platform.
Oh my god your logo is 'dw'. That's so clever!
Dan, you are the only sound engineer I trust on TH-cam. I would buy an ear training course by you in a heartbeat. Thank you for all the invaluable information you gave us over the years!
I would defo pay for a listening course
I would without a doubt pay good money for a course like that from the king.
I would enroll! Thanks!
So I have no idea what you should charge or which format you should use but I will say that I would be very interested and would be willing to pay for the content you describe. I'd really like to be kept informed. Would that be through this channel?
Great idea, I'd be up for some of that. Perhaps a YT membership platform?
In the corporate AV world we ring out rooms very often and use peak meters installed into the digital board or use our phones to see the peaks. Nobody can do it by ear hahaha
I’d be interested in a ear-training course, as long as it is reasonably priced and no subscription-model. Something like pay per video and get a reduction for buying a package.
Ear training is the hardest to learn, and the hardest to teach, I’d be interested
I would pay for a series of videos like that from you, no question. I am partial to TH-cam, but I'm sure most of us would be happy to follow you to whatever hosting makes most sense to you. Patreon?
Definitely make the course, and I feel like it should definitely be for a fee. If its anything like the rest of your content, you'll be able to instruct and explain it in a way no one else has, and that your course be of value for both beginners and pros. A fee will cut down on other youtubers borrowing your language and claiming it as their own without giving a credit to your work. I look forward to it. If god existed, you'd be doing his work. Thanks Dan for all you do!
I would pay for it. This is the biggest issue I face on a day-to-day. I prefer pay once, get it all, learn at my own speed. You could just host it on your own site.
I'd certainly be up for apaid ear training course from you, yes!
not a clue as to what platform...have done courses on loads and can't say anything jumped out as being better than the rest.
Brilliant advice. As always! 💖
if you do a course, release it with a mostly good mix that needs a bit of work, so that people can apply the things they are learning to real tracks on their own time.
Even a shipment of 78 rpms would be a no-brainer. At least, for the upper mids semester.
a good ear training course to make better mixes by Dan Worrall? take our money now!
not sure that the TH-cam audio codec used may be precise or accurate enough for such an ear training... but you can always try ! IMO...
i would pay for that all day every day, dan
I would 100% pay whatever you decide to charge for the ear training course!
Yes yes and yes to the course. 🎉
awesome video Dan great idea for ear training videos 🙌
I'm now in a quandry…I respect your expertise greatly and believe that you would create a top-notch, intelligent and practical course-which I think you should, by the way. I just think that I'm not in the right position to make full use of it!!! For what it's worth, I think you're the 'real deal'+1. Really hope your final decision work out to be the best one! :o) …and no, I don't have any useful advice on which platform you should host and distribute your course on-sorry!
I would be very interested in buying the ear training course!!
Would absolutely support a paid course for this. Perhaps you could spin up your own domain though? 'Only Bands - All audible frequency bands all the time'.
Definitely onboard for a potential paid course
A Patreon would be good
Hi Dan! U would be interested in purchasing your ear training course as well as other topics if you create them. Maybe make them available through a website with login credentials required. Thanks for such great content. Cheers!
YES DAN TAKE MY MONEY PLEASE
🖐️ I'll pay for that, Dan.
It doesn't matter that you gave away your best stuff away for free, what people say and willing to pay is for your curated knowledge. The way how you analyze and present your thoughts and points is what got us all attacked to you. So in other words people , including myself, are willing to pay you because of YOU.
I would pay,any platform is fine.