@AL-qj9yh I'm not sure a null test would help much. He's gone through filtering and EQ by this time, after all. Fundamental frequency and the more prominent harmonics would still be the same though, right?
Yes, there's a reason we never have to hear about who mixed for Beethoven, or who Mahler's producer was. The musicians do the work and it comes out right.
@@DanWorrall excellent point everybody thinks that conductors are just waving their stick about in time what they don't realize is the months of rehearsal and communication between every single musician the performance on the night is really just the party.
Hi Dan, Nearly everyone here is saying they love you and your stuff. Seems like you really should make that course. For me, your doing it here on TH-cam would be great because the platform works well everywhere. Charge for it? Yes, of course you should - and it IS something I will happily pay for. Why? Because your ability to teach through the videos you make is astoundingly good. Nobody else comes close, or are as entertaining. “Mixing With Mike”, for example. Lovely guy, great sound engineer, deeply boring courses. I paid for his stuff for a while but gave up on it since I couldn’t hear what he was saying because the frequency of his voice was completely masked by my snoring. I used to be a very successful french horn player in London. I think I spent 55 years in “ear training” for that. It’s something that can always be improved just a bit more. Having been into home recording, mixing, mastering, producing, and all that, for only five years or so, I know I have a very long way to go, and as my reception of upper frequencies diminish over the years I know it is going to be an uphill path. I may have lost some high frequencies, but that shouldn’t prevent me from hearing compression ffs. Where I am now with that is that I can hear that compression makes things better (LA2A on my trumpet, for example) but there’s so much that I find inaudible. I really need some compression ear training. Thank you, Dan. I’m very grateful for everything I have learned from watching your videos and I definitely owe you. So, whatever you produce I’ll happily sign up for it, knowing that I’ll learn a lot. BTW, I bought an album of yours on Bandcamp. I love it. Congratulations!
Mixing with Mike is one of the first channels I’ll head to for an A-Z walkthrough of a mixing/mastering VST. He’s great, and thorough. That said: yes, I’d imagine a full mixing course of his could be, well, meditative.
@@jeffreyhanc1711 I am also one of those guys that has been learning from Mixing with Mike and yes, i would like to hear, watch and pay (if necessary) new lessons from Dan Worrall... This two channels are the best on whole TH-cam
I can highly recommend going to see and hear an orchestra performance. I recently went to two free events at the Royal Festival Hall and was amazed when I walked in a realised there were no mics and no engineer. Just the musicians and their instruments and how I could hear each instrument clearly. Great experience.
I just graduated in Music Production and Engineering at Berklee College of Music. They teach us frequency ear training in the audio classes with boosting and cutting frequencies on white noise and having to figure out the frequency. It was laborious and I hated it while learning it but it truly opened up the EQ for me and all of a sudden I felt I could finally “use my ears” because I finally knew what to listen for
You could set up a patreon account which is pretty convenient from what i heard. but a Dan Worral OF sounds hilarious and would be my first and last account Id follow on the platform hahaha
4:44 A personal hurdle to overcome for me and undoubtedly others too is/was the fact that once you start cutting frequencies something can feel off or weird, you'll think to yourself "this doesn't sound right with this amount of cutting", in reality you only notice this because you'll be hearing the change, anyone else hearing it in a mix might not be able to tell
I never pay for online courses as I never feel assured that what I get will be worth the price. But I’m certain I wouldn’t think twice about paying for this course from you. I’ve been doing live sound for about 5 years with no formal training and your videos have been a godsend.
Hell no, his videos are overhyped and usually nonsensical. Imagine making a whole 10min video about how you are going to make videos on ear training and how much you should charge. People use their ears everyday , pro engineers wont need the training, therefore its just a money grab from unsuspecting noobs. None of his videos have been actually useful stuff. Every video has been some over pretentious long winded dribble about a topic that dozens of other youtuber have also covered in a better way. Even when he was doing videos for other peoples product, it was hard to believe the company used him to boringly drone on about their product. Its also funny how he made promo videos for one company and then condemnation videos for another company about similar products. Yes eg. TDR vs Harrison. I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt before watching this video, but alas once again he proves its all just clickbait bs Seriously, you can take some free or cheap audio course from recognized schools at this point easily if you want real value.
You are really the best recording expert there is on TH-cam, no questions asked man. It's neither just your professional skills, the way you edit your videos or other aspects of your apparent personality. Your whole vibe is just incredible. You bring something relevant to any question we might ask ourselves or any problem we can encouter. A 1000 cheers for that.
I've been on and off learning music production for two years as a hobby. Your pragmatic perspective, way of teaching and the knowledge itself is of the highest quality that I find anywhere online. Usually I'll try to search for a specific topic I'm interested in, but in reality it's not what I need. Just browsing through your clips I get to discover userful concepts and skills that bring me the most value. Having a fullly structured course from you on any topic is something i'd 100% buy because it's simply so effective for me
Dave Moulton’s “Golden Ears” is a classic in the genre, but I think you would offer a welcome and refreshing update to the format and personality of this essential educational foundation.
Dear Mr. Worrall, i received all of my Christmas presents early this year, you have given me all i ever wanted and then some in just a few relatively short videos and for that i thank you from the bottom of my hart, cheers.
Just chiming in to vote yea on an ear training course! I've found your free videos frequently more educational than a lot of folks' paid videos, so I'd support any venture from your channel into the paid arena pretty much instantly.
You are one of the most respected in the business Dan and I cant wait til your vids come out- I would love to pay for an ear training course! What platform I guess whatever I could have access to would be great- thanks for all that you do your honesty and straight-forwardness has been a breath of fresh air to all in this business!
YES! To the ear training course please. and while I'm at it, thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge.... feels like my little hidden weapon this channel. Much love
Hi Dan, thanks for all the videos. When I was in school for audio, we were trained on a program called "Golden Ears" that went over many of the techniques you discussed. For example, listening to pink noise and identifying where cuts or boosts were made in the EQ. It also had sections so you could learn what different attack and release times for compressors sounded like etc. I believe the course is still available online, but I would rather hear it from you!!
I'm happy to report that I was educated as an audio engineer and that we did did both spectral/frequecy ear training and musical ear training. So while I wouldn't give money for such a course, other people who haven't had that, definitely should. Has helped me immensely.
I'd definitely agree Dan. There's no shortcut to mixing, and part of the growth towards making good mizes, is making a lot of bad ones, and recognizing why they were bad, and making internal calibrations to compensate and do it better next time. It takes time to learn how to arrange and place things. New musicians want to learn this process by yesterday, and need to be superstars immediately. Thanks for everything I've learned from you to this point Dan. I'd be interested in your course. Ever thought of starting a Petreon ?
Putting out this information here for free is an unbelievably rare and wonderful act from your behalf, but people WOULD PAY for a course with you regardless, hell, I WOULD pay for that course even though been over your channel back and forth! This is amazing!
I had a full semester course like this in college for my audio engineering degree. The first half of the semester we trained on boosts/cuts of 12dB with a graphic EQ. The second half was 6dB boosts/cuts. Usually on music. We also assigned a lot of adjectives to these sounds. Now when I train newer engineers both live and in the studio, one of their main questions is “how do I know where that frequency is just by hearing it.” It’s from that training, the adjectives, and EQing thousands of times. So a course like you’re discussing is incredibly useful and helpful!
i would 100 percent pay for an ear training course by you, not only one that goes over training for listening to frequencies but like you said one that goes over learning recognizing intervals, cadences etc,
Ear training can indeed be very powerful. About a decade ago I did one that I believe was called "Perfect Pitch Ear Training Supercourse" (it was a series of mp3s and probably a couple of PDFs), and after a couple of months of daily training I was able to play groups of random 8 notes simultaneously and identify each by its "colour" - like people born with perfect pitch are able to do I reckon. I didn't stick to it afterwards but even today I can identify different notes sometimes, with some concentration. There was also a course for relative pitch.
I was five when my distinguished teacher told my dad I had PP. It meant nothing to me until my 50s and started working in music from semi pro to professional. During those years, I told friends and family the pitch of car horns, glasses, cat meows and even farts. I could always prove it by running to the piano which I kept at A-440 , a Bösendorfer tuned 4 times a year. I once failed a choir audition because the tester transposed my line down a 4th meaning I had to sing different notes from the score. I couldn't because it was a lie to my brain. My point? PP is not something you can learn and I'd have preferred to have been more successful at other things but in the end it was like a reverse disease as I was no good at anything else in my life. As Rachmaninov said, Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.
As an aspiring engineer hungry for real ways I can keep honing my craft, I'd 100% pay for something like that from the man himself. Ear training is always something I did when I was learning music & now that you've said it, it seems crazy not to have an equivalent for audio. Sign me up!
A great advice! I'm 72 and used that trick all the time... 40 years ago, together with very short delays on the voice with a little LR pan. It depends on the kind of music you're mixing,, and your desire for well-separated instruments. Nowadays I'm more into some kind of ambient electronics, and I use the masking effect all the time to create transitions, like slowly driving one fader down will let another voice sing. But whenever I need separation, I still "use my ears", that is I'll first boost a freq range and turn the knob until I'm sure I found it, then lower it. Of course that goes better when you already guessed the frequency you'd like to cut. (Happy owner of a DDA Q2).
One trick that helped me immensly over time with my EQs is as follows: every time before you want to make a move on an EQ predict what you are gonna do. for example you'll say you need to boost 3.5khz on the vocals for 3db. you then set this setting and then adjust the EQ till it sounds good. you'll see that you actually boosted 2khz for 4 db, so you have a clear difference between what you thought you needed to do and what you actually did. if you repeat this over time with every single EQ move your instincts on what needs boost/cuts on what frequency sky rockets i promise! (even better if you do everything without a RTA ;) )
Yes this is a good idea. I’ve been doing it for quite a while, without really even thinking about it. Your mind subconsciously just gets better and better at guessing for you.
I'd certainly be up for apaid ear training course from you, yes! not a clue as to what platform...have done courses on loads and can't say anything jumped out as being better than the rest.
Toughest parts of my mixes are when there is simultaneously overdriven rhythm guitar, overdriven lead guitar, and choir. Those 3 things are so broadband, its impossible to avoid frequency masking if you want each part to maintain it's whole sound and not have any super-filtered effect kinda sound on any of the tracks.
Whilst I haven't done any professional mixing courses, I _have_ played in a live band at church for many years (I don't now, but that's another story). This teaches you how to be adaptable because you're not always playing with the same musicians. And it also helps teach you how to stay out of the way of other musos. This has actually helped me enormously when creating music and I do get comments about how good my arrangements are. And doing it that way the track very nearly does mix itself.
Would love a series like that. And really funny to hear your voice almost crack after the OF comment. Good job holding your laugh 😂 Also wanted to say that whatever platform it is on, please try that the audio is not compressed as that is what we come to learn about and to hear transparently. Thanks for all the videos till date, chasing knowledge has become easier in this crowd of popularity contest. ✨
1. YES, I would definitely consider buying an ear training course from you, Dan. Honestly, I can't think of anyone better to teach the subject. There are platforms specifically designed for video tuition though. Presumably you're not serious about OnlyFans? I don't know anything about it, but I'd be reluctant add a new social media platform to my life, having already ditched a whole bunch of them... 2. 100% agree about going to see a live orchestra (I used to play double bass). Going to see a movie with the score played live is an incredible experience, by the way - I've seen all three LotR films that way in the Royal Albert Hall, and it's mindblowing. 3. Yes. You were adorable :)
Patreon does that too. Plus they charge VAT which is not passed on to the creators... Sounds kind of fraudish 😁 You could, in principle, set up a forum on your website. Users get accounts for whatever price and usage time you want. Forum is easy to set up. For example "Simple Machines Forum". You can do that yourself, it's easier than the audio stuff 😁 By the way: great videos! Best regards
nah in my opinion TH-cam members would be the best but if you really don't want that, Patreon is also an option. it's a great idea for a video series and definitely something people need.
6:10 Can confirm I did do ear training during my studies. We did it once a week during our Mastering lectures. There’s also a noticeable improvement in my mixes before and after that period :)
Your idea for the course sounds amazing and might be one of the first online courses i ever pay for if you do it! I also have come to realise the only way to get better at audio is doing lots of audio hahah but what you propose here sounds like a neat cheatsheet for frequency management
I'd love an ear training course from you - please do it! In terms of platform, I don't see anything outside TH-cam that's easy to use for both sides - it needs to be easy for you as well as us
The problem with that (I find) is that some frequencies just always sound nasty when pushed, regardless of whether there was too much, or too little in the actual mix. I try and hear what frequency is out of whack then find it ... sometimes I need to sweep to do that. Often I'll sweep a little either side just to double check. But, as Dan rightly points out, there is no better skill than being able to zero in on the right frequency without any mucking about.
@@guitargas1894 the advice I've heard is you shouldn't do this unless you're looking for something specific. If there's a resonant frequency or a boxiness that you're trying to isolate, sweep away - but don't go looking for problems that you can't hear - plenty of good frequencies will sound bad when you boost them.
Ear training courses is a brilliant idea. When I learned one thing as being constantly important it is - surprise - taking care of that. I personally would appreciate additions like learning to realize when your brain gets tiered and starts to process information in a no longer desirable fashion, i.e. let's you start to ruin your mix. This as well as the aspect of focusing on perception in a room where you move while listening, and let your mix compete against external sound sources like traffic noise. And not least something about doing mixes on a level of arranging single instruments before you start working with them on a track or bus level using plugins. Samplitude and Sequoia had this ability from the start, where you can cut an instrument to pieces while the track is played and then let you add any plugin other sound shaping on that object level rather than track or bus level before the sound from the instrument hits those. For me this always had the same effect as telling someone to play their instrument differently on this or some other part, only that it is me applying this after the fact))). In other words there is so much that SHOULD be done regarding training for any engineer's listening experience, and I know of no one else than you who would let me rest assured I can learn something new and important from in this field. So just go ahead, I'd definitely pay for it even as a subscription - because it is just a field as huge as all things audio. AND you would give people the ability to help keeping the tradition of critical listening carried on instead of developing more and more retarded listening abilities.
I’ve had a hobby home studio for 20 years. I’m no professional, but not a beginner either. If you created a straightforward, basic mixing course, I’d buy that in a heartbeat. You’ve shared a ton of knowledge on TH-cam, but having a full, no-nonsense course with your teaching skills would be invaluable. A lot of bits of info would fall into place, and it would add things that the super interesting deep dives into plugins and stuff can’t (and don’t try to). It would add an overall perspective and a more complete picture of mixing as a craft, in your view. It would be a gift to humanity. I’d definitely pay for an ear training course as well, though!
Hey Dan and fellows. At academy we had a lesson called Aural Perception, the tutor Benjamin classically trained, helped us learn through his examples of short phrases of composition, the parts sounded absolutely clean in the right place. I asked him about the mix of course. This video resonates with that lesson Aural Perception with Benjamin
ooh that does sound interesting, and it's cool to see the idea reinforced of what I've been figuring out on my own - to give "space" to important instruments' main freq range by cutting other instruments in the same range. It sounds weird solo'd, but when everything is playing you don't hear that "missing" cut on those tracks. Forget if it was this channel or another which suggested to not hyperfixate on how each track sounds solo'd, because after all the final mix isn't listening in solo... And if the cut sounds weird solo'd, you can just automate disabling it when the "main" instrument doesn't play and the "cut" instrument becomes more prominent. Another mixing "trick" I've seen, is equating different ranges in the freq spectrum to different vowel sounds... It's very clear when it's band boosted over pink noise, but it can be a lot harder to learn how to listen for that in real use cases/on actual instruments. Maybe that'd be worth touching on in the courses?
I ALWAYS cut 500Hz at 8:40. Everyone does that. Just kidding I could use the info he's talking about. I'm not as against frequency masking as most people seem to be... but I didn't know what "too much 500Hz in the drums" sounded like. Disclaimer: I don't mix music for other people, so that's not scandalous.
@@GizzyDillespee Regarding masking, there is a introductory lecture from a uni on psychoacoustics. The playlist: Psychoacoustics lessons from Audio Information Processing TUM. It really helped me improve my mixes. Particularly the masking around the 200-800 Hz range, and how it (like any masking) disproportionally affects the high-end. Way further up than you'd expect. Now I handle that range for the culprit, instead of boosting high-ends of the other tracks. Also, whomever your intended audience is (albeit just you), a shitty mix enshittifies even the best songs. The composition, arrangement, execution, might all be perfect. If the mix bad, the song bad.
Hi Dan have a look at following available tools. 1.Train your ears (Maybe you could provide a live sound preset for this tool? Paid. 2. Sound gym 3. Golden ears
If I didn't have good ears that I've been training already but doing ok the job work, and also training in a musical context I would definitely consider buying a course from you that would help me train my ears. I don't know if i'd get it if it wasn't you making it, you are a superb educator especially on this platform.
When I got my music tech degree in the early 2000s, ear training, ensemble participation, private instrument and composition lessons, standard music theory I-III, and one term of basic classical piano lessons in a classroom of about 20 were all requirements for graduation.
Have you ever heard of Syntorial? Its a software class for learning to use a synthesizer...there's a video about a knob/feature, then there's a quiz of sorts where you go to their soft synth and try to match the patch by ear, and it shows you how you did. Could be a great format for this (although more programming work than you were hoping for).
Hello Dan! Thank you for all the valuable tutorials you've been making. I don't have any platform suggestions but will be buying the course once it's available.
I think I could definitely benefit from a guided ear training course in regards to audio engineering. I had ear training when I was young, but have struggled at times to translate that to my mixes. I'm open to whatever platform you want to make it on. Patreon probably would be a good option.
Yes please I would happily buy that course (especially if you include your knack for pointing out common pitfalls and faulty "conventional wisdom" type of stuff)
I could see you doing a course on mixing as a whole. Even though you put a lot on for free, having it sold together in a clean and concise package is worth the price of admission for me. For the frequency course i could see it pulling 150-200 for the course if not more. Ive used teachable in the past as an admin and it was REALLY great at providing a neat and concise lay out for the students. Very easy to navigate and search through should you ever want to go back and have the course as a reference.
I'm a musician, but if I were in need of improving my mixing skills (which right now are only being used for demos) I would happily pay for a deep and comprehensive course if taught by you, the same way I would happily pay for (better) sound treatment and a pair of decent speakers. Not only that: There is probably no other creator I would pay for a mixing course other than you. Lots of other great guys in the youtube audio world, of course - Wytse from White Sea, Warren from PLAP, Mike from Mixing With Mike, Nic from Panorama... - learned a lot from them but your approach is unique
you better have that course ready to release because - we want it - we'd join up in a heartbeat - you laid it out in detail and if you don't release it someone will - and soon 😀 Dan, to be honest I don't know what the best way is to publish something like that YT Members, Patreon Tiers, Skillshare but I will say this - chose the one that makes sense for you in terms of effort and payout right? I'm sure people will follow I certainly would thanks for all your great advice you have shared for free with the likes of us ❤
Yes! This is so important. We do it a lot in audio related educations here in Denmark, but not as much as we probably should. It'd be nice if maybe one of the videos from this course were to be made free so that we could see how in depth you go.
I would pay for such a course and will eagerly await its release. I’m afraid I don’t know enough about TH-cam alternative platforms to have an opinion where you should post it.
In my education here in Denmark, ear training was a big part of the education. The good old "Golden ears" training set was the material used. (Was studying Live Audio Engineering, 4 year education)
In addition to just cutting versus boosting specific frequencies to avoid our ears adjusting, maybe occasionally throw in different frequencies for a sense of contrast, and to clearly dial in how this problem feels different from that problem
I'm relatively new to your channel, but I love your down to earth approach. And I love your musical examples. Im also classicaly trained Double Bass player! Which also means I played a lot of jazz etc...but really my heart and soul is in dub and electronic music (Of course I also play bass guitar...its the same as double bass). Love to do a tutorial with you. Ive been doing audio/music writing and production for 20 years, but no formal training, and I think maybe I need some?
I would pay around $50 for such a course without even blinking an eyelid. I would likely pay more but there might be a couple of eyelid blinks involved.
I've always wondered how, when frequencies resonate in our skulls and jaws, how the proximity to our inner ear effects our ability to determine good tuning or perfect pitch. Great video!
I would be interested. As a follow up, though, listening to different compression types and distortion types would make a great course. I find those things aren’t covered well, especially distortion - I haven’t found a really systematic tutorial on identifying and using different distortion types.
As an amateur who spends too much time buggaring about with breakbeats, it's strange how I can eq a messy drum section reasonably well, but am kind of hopeless when it comes to almost anything else or a full mix. Would love to pay for an ear training course.
I would immediately buy your course! My reason would be to find out about your explanation/training method. As everything that we hear is directly translated into brainwaves (as opposed to for example something we eat or something we see) it is also a form of bio-feedback where we can learn of our own body functions (i , same as you, have crohns disease) and learn to "listen" to our own frequencies inside of ourselves (in a lack of words we can call this "self awareness meditation") and we can also correct ("equalize") our own brainwaves if we know how our healthy brainwaves should sound/feel like. The data for it is already there. And people like ken wilbour (the"integral") have mastered the art of shifting their own brainwaves conciously (measurable via electrodes). Though he seems to be a bad example as he has an autoimmune disease as well. In a way it seems that this microscopic self awareness creates autoimmune diseases. But if we can (semi-conciously) program our body to destroy itself i suppose we can (fully conciously) program itself to work in a healthy way. Oh my. Too much to be unpacked here.
Fabfilter Q3 and a lot of other modern VST plugins allow you to see the overlap of frequencies between different tracks, making it easier to deal with frequency masking.
Here to say that the "Face Reveal" in the thumbnail wasn't just clickbait. It's real
Now the real question is... Phase reveal, when?
It's a buildup to the Onlyfans page for sure
@AL-qj9yh Makes sense!
@AL-qj9yh I'm not sure a null test would help much. He's gone through filtering and EQ by this time, after all. Fundamental frequency and the more prominent harmonics would still be the same though, right?
My noise floor might be too high for null testing
Sitting here thinking "please say arrangement, please say arrangement"
Yess!
Yes, there's a reason we never have to hear about who mixed for Beethoven, or who Mahler's producer was. The musicians do the work and it comes out right.
The 'producer / mixer / engineer' is the conductor, you do hear plenty about them.
@@DanWorrall Good point. Mixed live. :)
@@DanWorrall excellent point everybody thinks that conductors are just waving their stick about in time what they don't realize is the months of rehearsal and communication between every single musician the performance on the night is really just the party.
Hi Dan,
Nearly everyone here is saying they love you and your stuff. Seems like you really should make that course. For me, your doing it here on TH-cam would be great because the platform works well everywhere. Charge for it? Yes, of course you should - and it IS something I will happily pay for. Why? Because your ability to teach through the videos you make is astoundingly good. Nobody else comes close, or are as entertaining. “Mixing With Mike”, for example. Lovely guy, great sound engineer, deeply boring courses. I paid for his stuff for a while but gave up on it since I couldn’t hear what he was saying because the frequency of his voice was completely masked by my snoring.
I used to be a very successful french horn player in London. I think I spent 55 years in “ear training” for that. It’s something that can always be improved just a bit more. Having been into home recording, mixing, mastering, producing, and all that, for only five years or so, I know I have a very long way to go, and as my reception of upper frequencies diminish over the years I know it is going to be an uphill path.
I may have lost some high frequencies, but that shouldn’t prevent me from hearing compression ffs. Where I am now with that is that I can hear that compression makes things better (LA2A on my trumpet, for example) but there’s so much that I find inaudible. I really need some compression ear training.
Thank you, Dan. I’m very grateful for everything I have learned from watching your videos and I definitely owe you. So, whatever you produce I’ll happily sign up for it, knowing that I’ll learn a lot.
BTW, I bought an album of yours on Bandcamp. I love it. Congratulations!
Mixing with Mike is one of the first channels I’ll head to for an A-Z walkthrough of a mixing/mastering VST. He’s great, and thorough.
That said: yes, I’d imagine a full mixing course of his could be, well, meditative.
@@jeffreyhanc1711 I am also one of those guys that has been learning from Mixing with Mike and yes, i would like to hear, watch and pay (if necessary)
new lessons from Dan Worrall...
This two channels are the best on whole TH-cam
YOU'VE TAUGHT ME EVERYTHING I KNOW ABOUT ANYTHING. THANK YOU DAN. I WISH YOU TAUGHT ME HOW TO FIX KEYBOARDS THOUGH IM HAVING A TOUGH TIME RIGHT NOW.
Too much 1kHz!
"Everything about anything" Damn DW you're good!
my life is the same
I can highly recommend going to see and hear an orchestra performance. I recently went to two free events at the Royal Festival Hall and was amazed when I walked in a realised there were no mics and no engineer. Just the musicians and their instruments and how I could hear each instrument clearly. Great experience.
I just graduated in Music Production and Engineering at Berklee College of Music. They teach us frequency ear training in the audio classes with boosting and cutting frequencies on white noise and having to figure out the frequency. It was laborious and I hated it while learning it but it truly opened up the EQ for me and all of a sudden I felt I could finally “use my ears” because I finally knew what to listen for
You could set up a patreon account which is pretty convenient from what i heard. but a Dan Worral OF sounds hilarious and would be my first and last account Id follow on the platform hahaha
I can imagine trying to explain this to my wife when she sees the bill...
Make it in TH-cam membership please
exactly this!
I'd still have trouble explaining an OF entry on the credit card bill to my wife.
So, I'd be doing you a favour by forcing you to address the trust issues in your relationship.
4:44 A personal hurdle to overcome for me and undoubtedly others too is/was the fact that once you start cutting frequencies something can feel off or weird, you'll think to yourself "this doesn't sound right with this amount of cutting", in reality you only notice this because you'll be hearing the change, anyone else hearing it in a mix might not be able to tell
Dan dropping low effort but high value wisdom. Love it.
I never pay for online courses as I never feel assured that what I get will be worth the price.
But I’m certain I wouldn’t think twice about paying for this course from you.
I’ve been doing live sound for about 5 years with no formal training and your videos have been a godsend.
Hell no, his videos are overhyped and usually nonsensical. Imagine making a whole 10min video about how you are going to make videos on ear training and how much you should charge. People use their ears everyday , pro engineers wont need the training, therefore its just a money grab from unsuspecting noobs. None of his videos have been actually useful stuff.
Every video has been some over pretentious long winded dribble about a topic that dozens of other youtuber have also covered in a better way. Even when he was doing videos for other peoples product, it was hard to believe the company used him to boringly drone on about their product. Its also funny how he made promo videos for one company and then condemnation videos for another company about similar products. Yes eg. TDR vs Harrison.
I was willing to give the benefit of the doubt before watching this video, but alas once again he proves its all just clickbait bs
Seriously, you can take some free or cheap audio course from recognized schools at this point easily if you want real value.
Have You tried soundgym?
You are really the best recording expert there is on TH-cam, no questions asked man. It's neither just your professional skills, the way you edit your videos or other aspects of your apparent personality. Your whole vibe is just incredible. You bring something relevant to any question we might ask ourselves or any problem we can encouter.
A 1000 cheers for that.
Uh, look around...
I've been on and off learning music production for two years as a hobby. Your pragmatic perspective, way of teaching and the knowledge itself is of the highest quality that I find anywhere online.
Usually I'll try to search for a specific topic I'm interested in, but in reality it's not what I need. Just browsing through your clips I get to discover userful concepts and skills that bring me the most value.
Having a fullly structured course from you on any topic is something i'd 100% buy because it's simply so effective for me
Dave Moulton’s “Golden Ears” is a classic in the genre, but I think you would offer a welcome and refreshing update to the format and personality of this essential educational foundation.
Dear Mr. Worrall, i received all of my Christmas presents early this year, you have given me all i ever wanted and then some in just a few relatively short videos and for that i thank you from the bottom of my hart, cheers.
Just chiming in to vote yea on an ear training course! I've found your free videos frequently more educational than a lot of folks' paid videos, so I'd support any venture from your channel into the paid arena pretty much instantly.
One knows when one is listening to a voice of experience and capability! I’d pay for such a course. Thanks, Dan
You are one of the most respected in the business Dan and I cant wait til your vids come out- I would love to pay for an ear training course! What platform I guess whatever I could have access to would be great- thanks for all that you do your honesty and straight-forwardness has been a breath of fresh air to all in this business!
Love all the "low effort" videos
I’d 100% sign up for the course Dan. Get it done 👍 ❤
YES! To the ear training course please. and while I'm at it, thank you for sharing your wealth of knowledge.... feels like my little hidden weapon this channel. Much love
Hi Dan, thanks for all the videos. When I was in school for audio, we were trained on a program called "Golden Ears" that went over many of the techniques you discussed. For example, listening to pink noise and identifying where cuts or boosts were made in the EQ. It also had sections so you could learn what different attack and release times for compressors sounded like etc. I believe the course is still available online, but I would rather hear it from you!!
Soundgym is a great tool for training you ears...But, i would be interested in a course done by you
It's too expensive for me to pay every month
You are the exception of you tube. Pure generous gold information . tks a lot.
I'm happy to report that I was educated as an audio engineer and that we did did both spectral/frequecy ear training and musical ear training. So while I wouldn't give money for such a course, other people who haven't had that, definitely should. Has helped me immensely.
I'd definitely agree Dan. There's no shortcut to mixing, and part of the growth towards making good mizes, is making a lot of bad ones, and recognizing why they were bad, and making internal calibrations to compensate and do it better next time. It takes time to learn how to arrange and place things. New musicians want to learn this process by yesterday, and need to be superstars immediately.
Thanks for everything I've learned from you to this point Dan. I'd be interested in your course. Ever thought of starting a Petreon ?
Putting out this information here for free is an unbelievably rare and wonderful act from your behalf, but people WOULD PAY for a course with you regardless, hell, I WOULD pay for that course even though been over your channel back and forth! This is amazing!
I had a full semester course like this in college for my audio engineering degree. The first half of the semester we trained on boosts/cuts of 12dB with a graphic EQ. The second half was 6dB boosts/cuts. Usually on music. We also assigned a lot of adjectives to these sounds.
Now when I train newer engineers both live and in the studio, one of their main questions is “how do I know where that frequency is just by hearing it.” It’s from that training, the adjectives, and EQing thousands of times. So a course like you’re discussing is incredibly useful and helpful!
6:45 Yes. We want it.
I repeatedly send friends trying to learn your videos and would not hesitate to buy this course from you
i would 100 percent pay for an ear training course by you, not only one that goes over training for listening to frequencies but like you said one that goes over learning recognizing intervals, cadences etc,
Ear training can indeed be very powerful. About a decade ago I did one that I believe was called "Perfect Pitch Ear Training Supercourse" (it was a series of mp3s and probably a couple of PDFs), and after a couple of months of daily training I was able to play groups of random 8 notes simultaneously and identify each by its "colour" - like people born with perfect pitch are able to do I reckon. I didn't stick to it afterwards but even today I can identify different notes sometimes, with some concentration. There was also a course for relative pitch.
I was five when my distinguished teacher told my dad I had PP. It meant nothing to me until my 50s and started working in music from semi pro to professional. During those years, I told friends and family the pitch of car horns, glasses, cat meows and even farts. I could always prove it by running to the piano which I kept at A-440 , a Bösendorfer tuned 4 times a year. I once failed a choir audition because the tester transposed my line down a 4th meaning I had to sing different notes from the score. I couldn't because it was a lie to my brain. My point? PP is not something you can learn and I'd have preferred to have been more successful at other things but in the end it was like a reverse disease as I was no good at anything else in my life. As Rachmaninov said, Music is enough for a lifetime but a lifetime is not enough for music.
David Lucas Burge! Highly recommend that course.
and we're glad to meet you Mr. Dan !
As an aspiring engineer hungry for real ways I can keep honing my craft, I'd 100% pay for something like that from the man himself. Ear training is always something I did when I was learning music & now that you've said it, it seems crazy not to have an equivalent for audio. Sign me up!
A great advice! I'm 72 and used that trick all the time... 40 years ago, together with very short delays on the voice with a little LR pan. It depends on the kind of music you're mixing,, and your desire for well-separated instruments. Nowadays I'm more into some kind of ambient electronics, and I use the masking effect all the time to create transitions, like slowly driving one fader down will let another voice sing. But whenever I need separation, I still "use my ears", that is I'll first boost a freq range and turn the knob until I'm sure I found it, then lower it. Of course that goes better when you already guessed the frequency you'd like to cut. (Happy owner of a DDA Q2).
One trick that helped me immensly over time with my EQs is as follows:
every time before you want to make a move on an EQ predict what you are gonna do. for example you'll say you need to boost 3.5khz on the vocals for 3db. you then set this setting and then adjust the EQ till it sounds good. you'll see that you actually boosted 2khz for 4 db, so you have a clear difference between what you thought you needed to do and what you actually did. if you repeat this over time with every single EQ move your instincts on what needs boost/cuts on what frequency sky rockets i promise! (even better if you do everything without a RTA ;) )
Yes this is a good idea. I’ve been doing it for quite a while, without really even thinking about it. Your mind subconsciously just gets better and better at guessing for you.
Heey, i've following your channel for a while and it's nice to see when you appear on my feed. Your teachings are valuable for pros and newbies alike.
I'd certainly be up for apaid ear training course from you, yes!
not a clue as to what platform...have done courses on loads and can't say anything jumped out as being better than the rest.
Toughest parts of my mixes are when there is simultaneously overdriven rhythm guitar, overdriven lead guitar, and choir. Those 3 things are so broadband, its impossible to avoid frequency masking if you want each part to maintain it's whole sound and not have any super-filtered effect kinda sound on any of the tracks.
The PARTICULAR to one mix mixing advice you could give is worth 10x the free material you’re putting out online, I feel like!!
Whilst I haven't done any professional mixing courses, I _have_ played in a live band at church for many years (I don't now, but that's another story). This teaches you how to be adaptable because you're not always playing with the same musicians. And it also helps teach you how to stay out of the way of other musos. This has actually helped me enormously when creating music and I do get comments about how good my arrangements are. And doing it that way the track very nearly does mix itself.
Would love a series like that. And really funny to hear your voice almost crack after the OF comment. Good job holding your laugh 😂
Also wanted to say that whatever platform it is on, please try that the audio is not compressed as that is what we come to learn about and to hear transparently. Thanks for all the videos till date, chasing knowledge has become easier in this crowd of popularity contest. ✨
I'd buy an OF from Dan no question asked!
Me as well!
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Agree!
1. YES, I would definitely consider buying an ear training course from you, Dan. Honestly, I can't think of anyone better to teach the subject. There are platforms specifically designed for video tuition though. Presumably you're not serious about OnlyFans? I don't know anything about it, but I'd be reluctant add a new social media platform to my life, having already ditched a whole bunch of them...
2. 100% agree about going to see a live orchestra (I used to play double bass). Going to see a movie with the score played live is an incredible experience, by the way - I've seen all three LotR films that way in the Royal Albert Hall, and it's mindblowing.
3. Yes. You were adorable :)
My enthusiasm for OF dwindled upon learning about the 20% cut they take.
Patreon does that too. Plus they charge VAT which is not passed on to the creators... Sounds kind of fraudish 😁
You could, in principle, set up a forum on your website. Users get accounts for whatever price and usage time you want. Forum is easy to set up. For example "Simple Machines Forum".
You can do that yourself, it's easier than the audio stuff 😁
By the way: great videos!
Best regards
nah in my opinion TH-cam members would be the best but if you really don't want that, Patreon is also an option. it's a great idea for a video series and definitely something people need.
To be honest I was thinking Patreon as a platform as well.
Yes please Dan - make the course. I’m in.
6:10 Can confirm I did do ear training during my studies. We did it once a week during our Mastering lectures. There’s also a noticeable improvement in my mixes before and after that period :)
Very good. I was classically trained and played the Trumpet from11 and played in the Kent Youth Orchestra at 14.
Your idea for the course sounds amazing and might be one of the first online courses i ever pay for if you do it! I also have come to realise the only way to get better at audio is doing lots of audio hahah but what you propose here sounds like a neat cheatsheet for frequency management
I'd love an ear training course from you - please do it! In terms of platform, I don't see anything outside TH-cam that's easy to use for both sides - it needs to be easy for you as well as us
I really hope you create that course!
i still go with the ol' EQ boost or cut and then sweep around
Me too, gives me a fast impression which frequencies enhance the part and which make it stand out in a bad way.
The problem with that (I find) is that some frequencies just always sound nasty when pushed, regardless of whether there was too much, or too little in the actual mix. I try and hear what frequency is out of whack then find it ... sometimes I need to sweep to do that. Often I'll sweep a little either side just to double check. But, as Dan rightly points out, there is no better skill than being able to zero in on the right frequency without any mucking about.
@@guitargas1894 the advice I've heard is you shouldn't do this unless you're looking for something specific. If there's a resonant frequency or a boxiness that you're trying to isolate, sweep away - but don't go looking for problems that you can't hear - plenty of good frequencies will sound bad when you boost them.
Ear training courses is a brilliant idea. When I learned one thing as being constantly important it is - surprise - taking care of that. I personally would appreciate additions like learning to realize when your brain gets tiered and starts to process information in a no longer desirable fashion, i.e. let's you start to ruin your mix. This as well as the aspect of focusing on perception in a room where you move while listening, and let your mix compete against external sound sources like traffic noise. And not least something about doing mixes on a level of arranging single instruments before you start working with them on a track or bus level using plugins. Samplitude and Sequoia had this ability from the start, where you can cut an instrument to pieces while the track is played and then let you add any plugin other sound shaping on that object level rather than track or bus level before the sound from the instrument hits those. For me this always had the same effect as telling someone to play their instrument differently on this or some other part, only that it is me applying this after the fact))).
In other words there is so much that SHOULD be done regarding training for any engineer's listening experience, and I know of no one else than you who would let me rest assured I can learn something new and important from in this field. So just go ahead, I'd definitely pay for it even as a subscription - because it is just a field as huge as all things audio. AND you would give people the ability to help keeping the tradition of critical listening carried on instead of developing more and more retarded listening abilities.
I’ve had a hobby home studio for 20 years. I’m no professional, but not a beginner either. If you created a straightforward, basic mixing course, I’d buy that in a heartbeat. You’ve shared a ton of knowledge on TH-cam, but having a full, no-nonsense course with your teaching skills would be invaluable. A lot of bits of info would fall into place, and it would add things that the super interesting deep dives into plugins and stuff can’t (and don’t try to). It would add an overall perspective and a more complete picture of mixing as a craft, in your view. It would be a gift to humanity.
I’d definitely pay for an ear training course as well, though!
I made a programme that put a wide band random frequency pass on noise. I would then train myself figure out which frequency. Was effective
Hey Dan and fellows. At academy we had a lesson called Aural Perception, the tutor Benjamin classically trained, helped us learn through his examples of short phrases of composition, the parts sounded absolutely clean in the right place. I asked him about the mix of course. This video resonates with that lesson Aural Perception with Benjamin
ooh that does sound interesting, and it's cool to see the idea reinforced of what I've been figuring out on my own - to give "space" to important instruments' main freq range by cutting other instruments in the same range.
It sounds weird solo'd, but when everything is playing you don't hear that "missing" cut on those tracks. Forget if it was this channel or another which suggested to not hyperfixate on how each track sounds solo'd, because after all the final mix isn't listening in solo... And if the cut sounds weird solo'd, you can just automate disabling it when the "main" instrument doesn't play and the "cut" instrument becomes more prominent.
Another mixing "trick" I've seen, is equating different ranges in the freq spectrum to different vowel sounds... It's very clear when it's band boosted over pink noise, but it can be a lot harder to learn how to listen for that in real use cases/on actual instruments. Maybe that'd be worth touching on in the courses?
Dude the 500hz cut at 8:40 is genius 😂
I ALWAYS cut 500Hz at 8:40. Everyone does that.
Just kidding I could use the info he's talking about. I'm not as against frequency masking as most people seem to be... but I didn't know what "too much 500Hz in the drums" sounded like.
Disclaimer: I don't mix music for other people, so that's not scandalous.
Came here to say that hahaha
Try Mighty Networks. I like it for this kind of paid learning. Nice platform.
@@GizzyDillespee Regarding masking, there is a introductory lecture from a uni on psychoacoustics. The playlist: Psychoacoustics lessons from Audio Information Processing TUM.
It really helped me improve my mixes. Particularly the masking around the 200-800 Hz range, and how it (like any masking) disproportionally affects the high-end. Way further up than you'd expect. Now I handle that range for the culprit, instead of boosting high-ends of the other tracks.
Also, whomever your intended audience is (albeit just you), a shitty mix enshittifies even the best songs. The composition, arrangement, execution, might all be perfect. If the mix bad, the song bad.
I totally would pay for your Tutorials! Thank you! Keep up the good work! You are fantastic 🎼🎹🎧🎤🔊🎩
Don’t know if I can help with the platform, but the idea of a video course like that certainly count my attention and interest. ;)
I would buy the course without a doubt!
Hi Dan have a look at following available tools.
1.Train your ears (Maybe you could provide a live sound preset for this tool? Paid.
2. Sound gym
3. Golden ears
Hi Dan, i strictly only operate on OF these days so would be nice to have the vids there… Looking forward to it
If I didn't have good ears that I've been training already but doing ok the job work, and also training in a musical context I would definitely consider buying a course from you that would help me train my ears. I don't know if i'd get it if it wasn't you making it, you are a superb educator especially on this platform.
When I got my music tech degree in the early 2000s, ear training, ensemble participation, private instrument and composition lessons, standard music theory I-III, and one term of basic classical piano lessons in a classroom of about 20 were all requirements for graduation.
Have you ever heard of Syntorial? Its a software class for learning to use a synthesizer...there's a video about a knob/feature, then there's a quiz of sorts where you go to their soft synth and try to match the patch by ear, and it shows you how you did.
Could be a great format for this (although more programming work than you were hoping for).
Sounds interesting. Is that just subtractive synthesis? (FM would be pretty hardcore I guess!)
@@DanWorrall 'Tis. It eventually includes a basic FM knob, but it's more like a funky oscillator setting than a Buchla
The best help/info/training on the internet is always free. You’re a prime example of that, my friend.
Hello Dan! Thank you for all the valuable tutorials you've been making. I don't have any platform suggestions but will be buying the course once it's available.
Im down for that!
I think I could definitely benefit from a guided ear training course in regards to audio engineering. I had ear training when I was young, but have struggled at times to translate that to my mixes.
I'm open to whatever platform you want to make it on. Patreon probably would be a good option.
Yes please I would happily buy that course (especially if you include your knack for pointing out common pitfalls and faulty "conventional wisdom" type of stuff)
Would definitely pay for a course as you describe. Put it on whatever platform doesn't take a huge cut from you - you deserve it all.
You create a course I immediately buy it. period.
I agree that the Ear Training portion is critical and would love to take additional coursework from you on the matter!
I could see you doing a course on mixing as a whole. Even though you put a lot on for free, having it sold together in a clean and concise package is worth the price of admission for me. For the frequency course i could see it pulling 150-200 for the course if not more.
Ive used teachable in the past as an admin and it was REALLY great at providing a neat and concise lay out for the students. Very easy to navigate and search through should you ever want to go back and have the course as a reference.
I'm a musician, but if I were in need of improving my mixing skills (which right now are only being used for demos) I would happily pay for a deep and comprehensive course if taught by you, the same way I would happily pay for (better) sound treatment and a pair of decent speakers.
Not only that: There is probably no other creator I would pay for a mixing course other than you.
Lots of other great guys in the youtube audio world, of course - Wytse from White Sea, Warren from PLAP, Mike from Mixing With Mike, Nic from Panorama... - learned a lot from them but your approach is unique
you better have that course ready to release because
- we want it
- we'd join up in a heartbeat
- you laid it out in detail and if you don't release it someone will - and soon 😀
Dan, to be honest I don't know what the best way is to publish something like that YT Members, Patreon Tiers, Skillshare
but I will say this - chose the one that makes sense for you in terms of effort and payout right? I'm sure people will follow I certainly would
thanks for all your great advice you have shared for free with the likes of us ❤
Yes! This is so important. We do it a lot in audio related educations here in Denmark, but not as much as we probably should. It'd be nice if maybe one of the videos from this course were to be made free so that we could see how in depth you go.
A must-have course once is there! Looking forward already.
Yes! There’s Locals where viewers have to pay a price of admission to view your content. Looking forward to it.
I would pay for such a course and will eagerly await its release. I’m afraid I don’t know enough about TH-cam alternative platforms to have an opinion where you should post it.
Don't mind platform - would love the course!
I’m positive you would make hugely beneficial and top quality ear training course.
Yes, please. definitely make this course
In my education here in Denmark, ear training was a big part of the education. The good old "Golden ears" training set was the material used. (Was studying Live Audio Engineering, 4 year education)
Absolutely interested, but only if it goes on to connect ear training to the practical general process of mixing. With examples.
Definitely would be interested in an ear training course
In addition to just cutting versus boosting specific frequencies to avoid our ears adjusting, maybe occasionally throw in different frequencies for a sense of contrast, and to clearly dial in how this problem feels different from that problem
I'm relatively new to your channel, but I love your down to earth approach. And I love your musical examples. Im also classicaly trained Double Bass player! Which also means I played a lot of jazz etc...but really my heart and soul is in dub and electronic music (Of course I also play bass guitar...its the same as double bass).
Love to do a tutorial with you. Ive been doing audio/music writing and production for 20 years, but no formal training, and I think maybe I need some?
Dan. You are the best at this on YT. cheers. j.
Dan, that course would be an instant buy for me... I don't know which platform would be better for this though.
I would pay around $50 for such a course without even blinking an eyelid. I would likely pay more but there might be a couple of eyelid blinks involved.
That was the figure I had in mind.
I've always wondered how, when frequencies resonate in our skulls and jaws, how the proximity to our inner ear effects our ability to determine good tuning or perfect pitch. Great video!
I would be interested. As a follow up, though, listening to different compression types and distortion types would make a great course. I find those things aren’t covered well, especially distortion - I haven’t found a really systematic tutorial on identifying and using different distortion types.
As an amateur who spends too much time buggaring about with breakbeats, it's strange how I can eq a messy drum section reasonably well, but am kind of hopeless when it comes to almost anything else or a full mix. Would love to pay for an ear training course.
Yes! I would buy an ear training course from you.
I would enroll! Thanks!
I would absolutely buy your training.
this video series sounds amazing!
I would immediately buy your course!
My reason would be to find out about your explanation/training method.
As everything that we hear is directly translated into brainwaves (as opposed to for example something we eat or something we see) it is also a form of bio-feedback where we can learn of our own body functions (i , same as you, have crohns disease) and learn to "listen" to our own frequencies inside of ourselves (in a lack of words we can call this "self awareness meditation") and we can also correct ("equalize") our own brainwaves if we know how our healthy brainwaves should sound/feel like.
The data for it is already there.
And people like ken wilbour (the"integral") have mastered the art of shifting their own brainwaves conciously (measurable via electrodes). Though he seems to be a bad example as he has an autoimmune disease as well.
In a way it seems that this microscopic self awareness creates autoimmune diseases. But if we can (semi-conciously) program our body to destroy itself i suppose we can (fully conciously) program itself to work in a healthy way.
Oh my. Too much to be unpacked here.
Fabfilter Q3 and a lot of other modern VST plugins allow you to see the overlap of frequencies between different tracks, making it easier to deal with frequency masking.
In theory. In practise I've yet to find one that agrees with what my ears tell me.