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No bike lock is immortal, but Altor's SAF u-lock claims to be pretty close. Test Editor Dan Roe breaks out the angle grinder to see just how tough this lock really is.
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I'm here after watching LPL
Same here
Me too
Same
Me 3 😁
Saaame dude
LPL gang checking in
Just checking how really big this is
Just checking how really big this is
Whaha so true !
I wanted to see this thing cut up.
Yes we are 🔒 🤗👍🏻
It doesn't have to be 100% unbreakable. It just has to make the thief think "nah, next bike." Which this definitely does.
this combined with the hiplock d 1000 and the oxford beast chain is a win
@@oliversudden9162 Thanks for sharing these also - with $2-3k e-bikes nowadays - this seems like a worthy investment combo for peace of mind.
$10K+ bikes exist, your argument is invalid.
No, it doesn’t. It makes the thief think I’m gonna cut the thing that the lock is connected to and they still steal your bike and keep the new lock.
Nearly 2 hours is more than enough tbh i have a kryptonite chain with no vice to hold it and it took me 1 hour
Best trick of stealing a bicycle. Film it and say "its a test for my youtube channel".
“It’s just a prank bro!”
@Isaiah and prove the bike is yours duh
@@WayneJohnsonZastil nobody will ask that if someone called the cops maybe
I dont think anyone would believe that someone would go to that much hassle to steal that bike.
"But that's my bike?"
so for everyone commenting on technique, practicality, and other things like that. 1. Yes, you most definitely could cut through the rack 10 times easier than cutting through the lock, but then you have a massive 13lb weight on the bike you're riding. ( and that's if the person didn't attach it to the wheel) 2. Yes, his technique wasn't the best, but are most bike thieves going to do much better? And even with great technique, it would still take far to long to cut through the lock. 3. Yes, the size of this lock is ridiculous, it's not really for you to ride around with. It's more of a stay in place lock, wherein you put it on a rack that you use a lot and you leave it there and lock your bike in when needed. Overall I would say this video is a decent showcase of a good product and how it's fairly thief deterrent. And overall I would say this comment section is a fantastic showcase of a bunch of people failing to see the point of a video.
Thank you sir!
There's no way you could attach that to the wheel.
Not to mention anybody riding around with a lock attached to their bike that they can’t remove is gonna obviously be suspected because its practically impossible to hide.
Man you cut the pole. Steal the bike. Then take all the time you need to remove the lock. And you aren't using that lock on anything but a cheap bike locking location lol.
No way in hell a thief wont be noticed trying to hack through that lock.. or even the rack since the lock would make the mike a pai to steal
Police : let him try a bit more then we will arrest him.
Actually police can't arrest you for stealing a bike. They have no way to proove that is not yours.
@@sorindncs If you're going at it with an angle grinder, I'll say they have more than enough evidence.
@@KillerI-gc4fe Yeah? You can't angle grinder your own lock on your own bicycle if you lost your key?
No way to prove the bike isn’t yours? What do you think the point of registering bikes is?
@@sorindncs Anyone who owns a bike worth more than $200 registers it with the police, you moron. There are serial numbers on the bottom bracket.
Person: puts that lock on their bike
Person looses key
Surprised pikachu face
I guess that's why the company provides 4 keys.
loses*
*loses
Can we get someone who knows how to use a grinder please
a real thief would have set out some pedestrian barriers, just to be on the safe side.
It was painful to watch from the first seconds. Awful.
Yes but would a thief have expert skills with an angle grinder? I doubt it, in fact they would be worse at it than this guy, so I think it was a very accurate field test.
No matter how good you are on an angle grinder that would still be a hard job cutting through that in the real world.
Please
Can you imagine someone trying that in public for nearly 2 hours? :)
imgine losing the key
Yea, i know it looks really suspicious, but i lost my damned keys. I had to buy this grinder so i could get to my sister's place. She would have picked me up, but luck would have it that she is at a school function with my niece. Hey, can you keep an eye out for any cops, please?I I mean, while your waiting for the bus? I don't want them to think i am stealing a bike.
@@robbiedaug😂
Now I know the angle grinder would have gone through the steel railing pipe in seconds, and I know thats a fact.
@Richard Joyce u would be surprised
@LAFOLLETTER i agree but people are unpredictable, just look around the internet & you´ll find these people are basically professional scammers, hackers, buglers, bank robbers, cheaters etc all the scum in the world that survive in a way. just dont underestimate these people is what i am trying to get across. I was in your shoes but the public internet is a real eye opener my dude
@LAFOLLETTER okay thatś your opinion, but i´m just warning people whatś out there
Or cut a piece of aluminium from where the 2 piece of lock meets each and that is how to get easy to the metal bar
@LAFOLLETTER but buying their own bike is against the "code of bike thief conduct" isn't it?
This lock is perfect for me but just one problem. The lock costs almost twice my bike.
Also probably weighs more than your bike... who the hell wants to carry that stupidly large lock around that has minimal ways of securing a bike with it? You can't get it through the frame and rear wheel at the same time... and a post/rack. Solves one problem, makes several of it's own problems. But I guess it does show the end result of "If you have a 50lb bike you need a 5lb lock, if you have a 15lb bike, you need a 50lb lock."
@@scottwa well i think this type of lock is more supposed to be used in stationary use, for instance: some have a fixed bike rack at work, where they lock their bike up. In that instance a person would just leave the lock at that post permanetly and just lock their bike once they are there. Another use case might be heavy duty e-bikes that are made for carrying heavy duty around. For instance there are tern bikes, that cost around 3-4k, that have heavy frames and are made to drag hundreds of kilos around (for example the tern gsd s10). These bikes are usually used for grocery shopping or other transportation. Bikes like these could easy just attach the lock at the frame and/or put it in the bike trunk. Then once you are at the grocery store, you would lock your bike there and have the safest shopping experience i could imagine. And think about this: if you bought a bike for 4.000€/$, what is 300 bucks for a lock really? i mean if you get this lock for your 300 bucks mountain bike, you must be out of your mind. If you actually have a 15lb bike, you shouldnt be even locking that thing up anywhere. Best practice would be to have it indoors all time, because a 15lb bike shouldnt be used for grocery shopping or anything remotely similar... it should only be used for sports, therefore never leaving it unattended.
Ehsan Siam: Obviously you buy the lock and then sell your bicycle. This way you're absolutely certain that no one will steal your bike while you saved yourself from the added expense.
This Bike Lock Is Meant For A Bike That's Worth Atleast $1,000 Bucks Then It Be Worth It
@@colbyjack8171 ding ding ding
If LPL approved it, then that’s all i need😄
except, he didn't.
@@riskinhos he did
@@andrewmccracken4263 he didn't. he picked the lock.
The problem with cutting the rack instead of the lock is that you're still left with the lock attached, so you'll still have to cut the lock off at some point. Pretty good deterrent considering stolen bikes are usually sold for scrap.
It is easer to cut the lock at home than on the street. Plus you may have a better tool at a workshop. Honestly the lock is over engineered if it is easer to go through the rack.
No most bikes are sold to people, where did you get your idea??
@@tesmith47 the city i live in has cracked down on the sale of stolen bikes enough that it just isn't done that often any more.
The local cops have a simple website where you log your bike serial number when its stolen. When buying a bike you run the serial to see if its stolen.
I actually got my bike back after it was stolen because of this.
@@graham1034
I'm so happy to hear that man. Thieves are assholes. My bike is soo dear to me, I can't imagine losing it
Sold for scrap? Where do you live? Never heard anything so crazy. Bikes are stolen and sold on.
The way you handled that angle grinder made me extremely uncomfortable, your legs are extremely close, your face aswell, you're wearing an open jacket, you have almost no control over the tool, plus you managed to damage your bike.. as an advice you should definitely stay away from power tools it is just a matter of time before you end up in the emergency room :/ stay safe bro, learn how to handle power tools 'cuz they be dangerous
He's pussy boy starbucks guy not a construction worker
That how some shitty criminal would use it, make sence
@@carlosvelasco4119 I do enjoy starbucks
You couldn't get the job done with the same tools, Tim Taylor.
but honestly thats probably the equivalent of some idiot with his adrenaline pumping trying to steal your bike. the thief probably doesnt know how to use an angle grinder properly either
Thanks! Just bought one!
Thanks! Now I now how many batteries and disks I need for the job :D.
I still dream of a lock with an inbuilt taser !
Just to find someone that will sue you for damages after getting hurt because he "mistakenly" thought it was his bike... probably illegal in most countries.
@@tobiastho9639. So is stealing. Tasing does not cause serous damage otherwise police would not use it. There would be a tasing warning note on the lock, of course.
Anyway, I’d be prepared for any penalty for still having my beloved bike and moped!
I don't know if that exists but there is the so called "Skunklock" that has a pressurised gas cannister around the shackle.
@@tobiastho9639. Of course such a lock would have a warning label on the lock. Even i& it doesn’t, I seriously doubt that any judge would convict you to pay damages to the thief, since the thief obviously tried to break the lock by force. Genuine owners have keys (incl. spare ones) for their bike locks!
@@timewoundsallheels4ever The question is if warning labels are enough in court. In my country the ruling is pretty clear that you aren't allowed to build traps for humans. On purpose or by accident or neglecting. One case was about a thief who broke into a building through the top and couldn't leave from the inside. He won in court.
The main problem with this lock is that it asks the thief to compare the lock to the rack, which can likely be cut quickly. Just its physical size asks you to make that comparison. Not a good formula unless the racks are very sturdy.
Or put it through the rack, a wheel and the frame. So the thief cant ride it away
@@codyfyfe
The lock will not fit through most wheels. Not even the one on the video. And the ones with big enough holes (=few enough spokes) tend to have thicker rim walls / aerowalls, and their rims would not fir through the lock, even if the lock shackle would fir through the wheel gaps.
@@aeyuio2315 i have a bike that would fit that description with out deepsection wheels but few enough spokes
@@simedinson984
Well then you know what lock to buy :)
@@aeyuio2315 well a bit expensive as I wouldn't bring that bike to anywhere but my appertment and my cheaper bike the lock is over 30% of the value
Great job on a real world test!
did you use grinder disk or cutting disk and also did you use a diamond disk?
10/10 worst angle grinder handling ever. The lock didn't eat those cutoff wheels, the garbage technique did.
This boy got the expert angle grinder technique
This comment is a perfect example of people not seeing the point of a video.
What if you use galium?
Will that make it easier?
Does the lock even make sense practically, cause for this size it just bulky to bring around and there might be places too narrow to latch it.
There are bikes that costs more than 10K $, and this lock costs like 300$ so it kinda useful
@@NumbDiggers1998 But you spent $10K on a bike to get a light fast bike... then you burden yourself with a 30lb lock? Do you keep that in your lycra shirt back pockets while you ride along with your gel packs?
@@scottwa this is more a lock to keep at work or similar so moving around is not necessary
Wouldn't it be easier to cut the bike rack? Or are the filled with something?
Is it available to buy..I can't find anything but a Trailer lock?
With enough time and dedication you can get through any lock. It just has to be hard enough to make it not worth the risk and effort
I mean yeah, what thief would take more than 2 batteries and 2 blades to go steal bikes, or spend an hour stealing 1 when his goal is to steal without getting caught. Any other bike can be stolen in seconds of cutting as opposed to this. Even the time it would take to look for a different bike to steal would be more efficient (and if you're taking the rack... Well good luck riding with that thing between your legs)
check LPL. takes 2 seconds.
@@riskinhos yes, LPL did it in 2 seconds. but he is extremely talented. thiefs often are not. nor do they own lockpicking tools in most cases
@@nolategame6367 are you an untalented thief?
@@riskinhos maybe i am? who knows
This reminds me of my buddies that work in an office using hand tools.
where can I buy one? cant find it on internet
Yo that beat was smooth as butter
I would be curious how diamond disks would have worked. As far as I heard they are not that brittle and prone to breaking, which seems hard to avoid with this lock.
Diamond wheels are slower by a long shot, check out disc review videos. They last 10x as long but arent great for cutting metal
The problem is rather that the blade is too small to cut trough the lock, so your chuck ends up bumping against the lock.
even if the host technique was poor, you can say that the lock defeated the grinder after the first battery or disc
How long to grind through the bike rack .
How long to cut through the rack?
id be happy with one that offers 10 or 20 munites against the grinder and wasnt quite so extreame!
I’m here after LPL and the difference is huge. You should use much larger grinder and somebody who can use it. It’s possible that the latter is the only you need.
true. this was just a piece of shit advertising
Wait a minute, why could he just start cutting from where the U section meets with the base?
Because the aluminium protection stops there and its on the core there.
So you could just need to chip off a bit of that rubber and place it carefully to be able to hit that core.
OK. I finally found a lock for my sons balance bike!!! Kool!
Grinder-proof or not, the problem I have with this lock is that it looks like there's only room for the frame tube? So even if the thief doesn't get your whole bike, he can still take both your wheels?
you could secure them with cheap lighter locks or something+weels aint as easy to sell for profit and they arent worth as much aswell
Pitlock, Pinhead, Hexlox or a bunch of other options can secure your wheels. Only a complete idiot would use quick releases if they're worried about security.
Use a 9in cordless and then connect it to something that can not be cut as fast. Bike rack is all of 10 secs for the tube.
Hand hacksaw would take the rack in under 1 min.
even if he cuts the rack he still is gonna have a 13lb weight dangling around or the bike
Is that true GrandMasterP1000??? You can hacksaw through a rack of this type in under 1 minute? Damn, if that's the case what the hell do we do?
@@justinbeynon7980 Use the same materials as this lock to make the rack. :V
Can you use this on a motorbike wheel
Someone tell me where would I put this on a segway gt2? If impossible to use for a segway gt2 please recommend another angle grinder proof lock. If that does not exist recommend another. Please and thank you.
You could've just went straight for the locking connections, the thin feet that stick out of the U
That's what my tweaker ass been telling myself 🤣
...instead of cutting at the random spot why didn't he cut it near the joint since basically one side of the aluminium shield is allready "cut"?...O.o
Probably one of those "too obvious to even think about it", besides it doesn't look like the guy has much experience using angle grinders either.
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
because you still have to clear the rack and the bike after opening. You'd make the worst bike thief ever too.
@@z352kdaf8324 ...if You were talking about cutting the lock with a grinder propbably, but this lock was advertised as "grinder resistant" so I guess purpose of this test was to show just that. There are probably other methods to open the lock, picking being one of them, but I can only comment on the method this guy used...
I think developers adressed this issue
@@t850 Picking this lock requires specialized tools. LPL confirms that.
How about a cordless bandsaw or reciprocating saw? Or a cordless 7 or even 9 inch angle grinder. Or drilling out the core?
It uses an Abus lock core that has drill protection. Using a different tool could definitely work, but a standard size grinder seems to be the go to power tool for bike thieves.
You can't guard against everything, but this lock would be way too much hassle for 99% of thieves.
If I were a thief I wouldn't even BOTHER with such a comically large lock 😂
People keep saying "just cut the bike rack brah" and sure, you could liberate the bike that way, but you would be liberating a bike with a 13.5-pound weight on it that will not only slow you down but also get in the way of riding the bike. You couldn't ride it well, you couldn't sell it, and you can clearly see he damaged that bike. If you were to try and get at it from the inside you'd still ruin the bike. So sure, you can liberate the bike, but the point of bike theft isn't the challenge of separating a bike from its owner, it's to get a functional bike for nefarious purposes.
Pour acid on the key hole
Great idea and very impressed with how long it took to get through it but most thief’s would of just gave up and cut the railing that the bike was locked too
even if he cuts the rack he still is gonna have a 13lb weight dangling around or the bike
@@TantalumPolytope and then the person can take the bike home and spend all the time in world with a angle grinder to get the lock off which will eventually come off with a bit of perseverance
@@neilmccusker6971 but he is gonna have a 13lb weight dangling on the bike wich is quite suspicious and if he rides it hes probably gonna fall off the bike every turn
@@TantalumPolytope then what you do is wrap your coat around the lock so no one can see it and push the bike home and let the tyre down so in case you get asked by someone you can say you have got a punctured tyre and this is the reason why you are pushing it
Take the guard off your grinder?
I wonder how a reciprocating saw with a 9" carbide tipped blade would fare.
Use Dewalt 60v 9" cut off saw for the win.Also,would be easier to cut through whatever its locked to instead.
even if he cuts the rack he still is gonna have a 13lb weight dangling around or the bike
A lock that size draws attention as well. Who would use something that impressive for a average bike? It screams “look at me”. Which is the wrong idea.
Having said that it is impressive and a good product.
I’m thinking If you had the money to buy this lock, you probably aren’t using it on a WalMart bike.
How long did it take?
Did the Makita crap out?
Just vut through the bike frame and sell the parts. Just cut through what ever the lock is attached too.
go away thief!
No there is no real value on parts, the buying public wants bikes to ride
couldnt you cut the anchor instead?
What about with a 6”
Disk? They fit on 4.5” grinders of you take shield off
You probably have to do a double cut, and it would consume a lot of battery (and time) and especially with the bigger disc.
just cut the Metal bar it's attached to and drive away lol
Lol
That's what he says at 3:37
@Geoff Rogerson you don't say???
That is vandalism and you can be arrested (not for cutting bike though)
@Geoff Rogerson Yeah, but at one point you have to consider if the lock is over engineered for the problem. After all more aluminum and steel means more weight and cost.
can someone that know what they are doing try this
Try hammering a wedge or chisel between the aluminum cover and the body of the lock, that little gap looks vulnerable.
How about with a portaband ?
It looks like a fcking balloon animal... I love it.
Bike thief:time to steal this bike
Also bike thief:"sees altor saf"
Bike thief:ok im out
also bike thief: "checks lpl"
proceeds to steal in 10 seconds.
bigger disc??
🤔 but.. what would you recommend for the wheels? A person with this lock is feel has a really expensive bike and the wheels gotta be worth something to protect from a thief right? Any suggestions
Tex lock.
First remove the quick lock and use those with special key.
Pitlock skewers. Pinhead skewers. Kryptonite Wheelboltz. Hexlock fittings. Plenty of other options.
Kudos to the manufacturer.
Sad it was needed.
Surrounded by scumbags.
Personally this isnt that impressive. Most people pop those locks with your run of the mill car jacks. Try this same lock with a car jack and we'll see how durable it really is.
I don't know if you have actually tried a car jack. I have (neighbor abandoned their rusty bike in my apartment complex), and it takes maybe 10 minutes of orienting the jack and bike just right so it doesn't pop out. And that's for a standard u bolt with only one locking lug. The whole point of this lock is to prevent the angle grinder thieves who normally need only 45s to get through most bike locks available today.
Honestly, with this lock your best bet is probably picking the core.
@@lonesock I have. It didnt take me that long. I used to work at a campus and we had to remove old bikes all the time
@@lonesock i
You'll never fit a bottle jack in the shackle.
Where to buy this animal protection?
Bikes around Scotland usually always have either a shit u lock or a cable lock and I have 8inch bolt cutters that cuts through any of them... I have a hydraulic rebar cutter for decent locks
At that point, grind through the actual lock body or even the bike rack itself.
Just use a 9" grinder...
exactly.
Name of the song from 2:05 please?
I think that material is some form of Proteus. It doesn't look like the full deal or you wouldn't get more than a couple mm though, but some version of it.
Cutting the rack is still a problem. You have to cut through it twice and you will still have to deal with the lock on the frame.
Cutting the rack is still easier/quicker.
You can deal with the lock at leisure in you workshop at home.
@@elricthebald870 That's true, I'm just saying it is going to be a massive PITA. They REALLY need to want your bike.
Someone take away the grinder from him please.
Is the alter safe lock heavy though? Wondering if it can fit into my backpack lol
They weigh about 15lbs as far as I know.
@@studybunny7012
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Yea I got one. It's alittle bastard of weight for sure . Barley fits in my bike bag.
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People saying "just cut the rack" lol
An angle grinder or sawzall is loud..
An angle grinder on a thick aluminum tube is tremendously loud. The clatter, vibration and amplification from the thin hollow tube would be insane. You'd have to cut away two fill sections... there's just no damn way.
Altor should pay some non-nerds to try it. Get a construction guy with a real tool to do it. Take a quickie saw to that stupid thing.
A real construction tool? A Caterpillar D11 to push over whatever it's attached to?
The grinder he was using is exactly what a bike thief would be using. His technique was shit, but even if you did it right, it would still take far longer than would be worth it for bike thieves. They want to identify a bike to steal, cut the lock off, and leave the scene of the crime within minutes. You don't have to make your bike impossible to steal, it just has to be hard enough that it isn't worth it.
@@ThoolooExpress don't be stupid, thieves don't walk around with proper tools, if they were smart they would not be stealing
@@ArtisanTony Battery powered angle grinders are almost as popular as bolt cutters for bike thieves these days. It only happens in large cities, but there's crews that go around with a van, they drop one guy off with a grinder, circle the block, and then pick him up with the bike. You might think thieves are stupid, but occasionally a smart one comes along and finds a way to steal from you you never expected. Maybe you think they're all stupid because only stupid thieves get caught.
Cut the bike rack or get someone who knows what there doing
And ride with a massive 6kg lock attached to the frame?
@@carlospwk no dumbass take it home and take your time for you new free bike
“Need expert in bike theft. Must be competent with Angle Grinders.”
Like that’ll get you anywhere!😂
Will it fit motor cycles !
how long does it take to cut the bike frame, the missing piece can always be welded back on
Ah, no. Once it is cut it is destroyed. It would have to be professionally rebuilt. More than the price of this bike.
Most bikes are not welded. Only super cheap bikes and tig aluminum bikes are welded.
@@firesurfer if they can't take the frame they'll take the wheels, if they can't take the wheels they'll take the tyres. Seats and handlebars are fair game too :(
@@AegisHyperon The wheels and tires cannot be separated if locked. Many bikes are just stripped. That is why you see so many bare frames locked up.
I could cut this with a bandsaw in a fraction of the time it took this dude to hack his way through it with a grinder.
Yeah a bandsaw would do it in no time. I was thinking a sawzall with a bi-metal blade would probably do a better job than a grinder as well.
@@misterj2875 100%
Good thing a band saw isn’t very portable. In fact it isn’t portable at all. So I’m not sure how’d you would use that on the street. But a handheld angle grinder easily concealable in a bag? Definitely.
@@ShiftingCloudsYT I Have a battery DeWalt bandsaw that says different. Also would be much quieter.
pieman12345678987654 Well that is portable but kinda heavy tech to be carrying about just on happenstance of running into bikes like this when a angle grinder would be better for that. But yes it would still work.
How many AH per battery
is this lock good for motorcycles?
how about a hacksaw or cordless bandsaw?
when I saw this i instantly checked the upload date.
Maybe also for bike it's too overpowered but for like motorbike lock to rear wheel.... that's a protection.
btw: also LPL member :D
Other people: "It takes more than an hour and a lot of noise and effort to get through this lock."
LockPickingLawyer: "Yeah,give me 30 seconds with this thing"
Did you watch LPL's video picking this lock? He said, "I can tell you that the chances of this being picked on the streets are essentially zero." And that video was posted two years before your dumb comment.
The only problem is the lock big enough to fit on an e-Bikes bigger frame?
That's the second biggest bike lock I've ever seen!
#GetSmart
but... how much does this behemoth weigh?
What's to stop a thief from cutting through your bicycle tube due to being frustrated because they couldn't break the lock?
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Pride [hopefully]
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Good video, but I am quite sure a cutting torch would quickly cut it. And they are quiet plus require no electric.
Why weren't you cutting closer to the bottom of the lock? There would have been enough space to make one cut on one side, then do another cut on the exact opposite and just meet in the middle.
The thief decides to cut into the bike instead, and repair it later.. you come back and you find only the lock left 😆
I wonder what would happen if they added ceramics in. That should destroy grinder blades even faster. I mean not that it needs any extra help.
Or some kind of oozing goo that would clog the grinding wheel and throw stickiness all about the place.
I'll need a bigger belt loop to carry this puppy around!
it's a good idea that using an angel grinder is common to yourself..
Wouldnt it be easier to just cut the pole it is locked onto ?
Here; Let me try. And, in comes my Dewalt Flexvolt 60-volt Lithium-Ion 9" construction saw!
Fill the lock full of wire mesh, grit, or even a dye. Use them daily, wire mesh gets into the gears. They will just start cutting the welds on the bike and repair it .
To me, 99% of thieves will not put out the effort and go through all of this. If I were a bike thief and I saw that, I'd move on to the next bike. I'm not going to stand there and make all that noise, ruin multiple blades, change the batteries, etc. etc. If every bike owner had this lock, I pretty sure bike theft would plummet across the globe. With that said, imagine 2 of these! That's double everything he went through.