I've put exactly 1200 rounds of AAC 77gr OTM and 160 rounds of their Sierra Matchking 77gr loading through my 11.3" AR, mostly suppressed. The only times I've ever grouped it was to zero at 50 and then to see what my POI shift would be. Both were roughly 3/4" with 5 shot groupings. It has been reliable, and I've made very consistent hits out to 400 yards on a full size steel silhouette. I Chronographed it once, and it was right around 2475 fps suppressed (+/-10). I don't recall the exact average, standard deviation, or extreme spread though. Should've wrote it down. I'd like to see a Gel test with it vs their Matchking loading. I'd also like to see if it(their in house made 77gr load) will reliably frag/open up at varied velocities/distances. If it will, It'd be hard to argue against it for a standard cartridge to keep plenty of at it's cost vs the Matchking loading. Good Video man.
When comparing 55gr vs the heavier weight 77gr wouldn't the twist rate of the barrel affect accuracy as well at range, aside from the normal factors that would affect accuracy. The 1/9 twist rate for 55gr isn't what you'd want for the 77gr which would prefer a 1/7 twist rate
To be fair, putting "precision" gasoline in a car that's designed to play music better than it drives, you'll get "less than precision" results. You sort of need a precise gun to fire precise ammo if you want precise results. That thing is kind of a shotgun.
@@ShimberMeTivers Well the 77gr. OTM is .55 cents a round right now, which is only .5 cents more than the cheapest 55gr. ball ammo, so I would say regardless at that cost it is totally worth buying over some 55 gr. ball practice ammo.. Getting a case of it now $527 shipped.. You will not find any other 77gr. OTM at near that price..
Hey, haven't seen any new videos lately. I've been in this hobby since last summer and still learning. I bought a case of Federal Auto Match for cheap from an auction and was seriously disappointed. They were new rounds and I still had jams and fly aways. How is it possible for a bullet to fly a foot away from where I was aiming? I actually had a round bounce off a gourd at 50 yards, maybe you should give a gourd a try on your channel. Thanks for your channel.
Thanks for watching! It's been busy out here, haven't had time for videos. Hopefully gonna get back at it soon! That bulk pack ammo can be really stinky. I usually save it for shooting out of pistols.
TOFDG. Another good video. Sure, took care of the clay. And the groups are like you said, what you would expect from an AR type gun. Thanks for sharing.
Accuracy testing out of a rifle that is only capable of about 2.5-3.5 moa on a good day seems kinda silly, but it's still good info. It's about as accurate as a non free float AR.
Dang goober great vid my man. The 77g otm is one of my favorites. It runs a close race with the 75g hornady otm. They r great. One question what twist rate and barrel length u useing? Just curious.
First, thanks for making this video. The heavy weight stuff won't shine until past 400. Not sure if your setup can do that. I found really good bolt action and single shot rifles to compare what the rounds are capable of outside the AR platform. The results are a bit different between each type of rifle
@@TheOldFatDadGoober my intention was to find the actual capability of the ammo, then figure out a way to get an AR platform as close to that as possible
If I had not just watched that video on that 17WSM, (very interesting chambering.) I would have seen this one in a much different light. 👍 I have two 25 lbs. boxes of clay and I can't find a range that will let me shoot them, I guess I see why now.🤣 I totally agree, that 55gr was no slouch, none were.👊
Surely with todays technology & precision equipment AAC could figure out a way to increase accuracy by decreasing the standard deviations you were seeing. I'm pretty sure that ammo plant is brand new! Surely _someone_ (ex Hornady or Nosler employee?) could figure out how to program those brand new machines to achieve greater precision.
First of all, the majority of that is the guy behind the trigger, secondly it’s not just programming difference, it’s the type of powder used, tolerances accepted in loading and making the bullets. If the dies and tooling used are only made to such a tolerance than you get what you get. If the scales used are only accurate to +- 1 grain than that’s what you get. Nothing in programming dude
Training time. 1:7 is NOT required for 77 grain. 1:8 twist works perfectly fine at stabalizing 77 grain rounds. The gun used in this video is not used for precision work, this is more akin to average manufacturers assembled firearms. Other content creators have netted 1 MOA or better with better firearms.
@@Spushed Thanks for watching! My goal was to show performance out of an "average" rifle. I was hoping to set expectations for what a typical person could expect, not the high end shooter.
The AAC is a weird animal. Best way to explain is my PSA M4 clone throws those thing straight and true where as my buddies Daniel Defense couldn't hit the broad side of a barn after 4. But you put federal GMM on his DD and the same in my PSA and the roles are completely reversed
Well, I wouldn't start off by saying my barrel is not precise and then complain about the precision received. Secondly, the SD will not effect precision at 100y. Lastly, good video. Keep up the hard work.
Thanks for watching! The effects of SD on accuracy is basically witchcraft. Googling around, I found this article: precisionrifleblog.com/2015/04/18/how-much-does-sd-matter/ From his results, I think it would be possible to estimate what kind of spread to expect at 100 yards. His results were from 1000 yards on a 20" target. The spread with 20 fps SD was greater than the target, with many shots off above and below. 100 yards is a factor of 10 less than 1000, so I'll also reduce our target size by a factor of 10 which gets us to 2". The SD on this ammo was (at least) twice as much than what was tested in the article creating a spread of potentially greater than 4". I think that it's fair to say that the level of SD I measured would be a factor in the size of the groups and a lower SD would result in much smaller groups, even at 100 yards. Of course, this all depends on whether you believe in witchcraft or not.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Your argument cannot be justified because you are not shooting a laser beam with an SD to affect group size. Just like saying with extreme SDs you could never shoot a sub MOA group. Barrel, trigger, stability and shooter all play a factor. Furthermore, if you reverse engineer it, there is ammunition with very tight SD's that have very poor precision at 100ys. So I stand by my statement that SD does not effect precision at 100yds.
@@Way2Evl When I said witchcraft, I wasn't kidding. This shooting stuff is weird. I'm going to agree to disagree with you though, I think SD plays a role in accuracy even at relatively shorter distances.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober That's fine, but Ai think it's foolish of you to assume that your precision issues are because of SD. I guess with a tight SD all your groups at 100y are 1/4" or less...🙄
@@Way2Evl Ah, I think I understand now. I don't think the accuracy was ONLY because of the high SD, but I do think it was a factor. I agree, there are other variables at play.
Also extreme spread is a constantly changing variable that's not a reliable gauge of accuracy. Also it doesn't look like you're exactly shooting a precision built gun. Some bull pup monstrosity.
The bulk pack 55 grain ammunition had a similar feet per second spread while going 300-400 feet per second faster than the 77 grain ammunition. Which makes its velocity spread percentage wise smaller.
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On the PSA web site, ,their 77g OTM says made by Hornady.
@@USfoolsgold Thanks for watching! I'll check it out.
I've put exactly 1200 rounds of AAC 77gr OTM and 160 rounds of their Sierra Matchking 77gr loading through my 11.3" AR, mostly suppressed. The only times I've ever grouped it was to zero at 50 and then to see what my POI shift would be. Both were roughly 3/4" with 5 shot groupings. It has been reliable, and I've made very consistent hits out to 400 yards on a full size steel silhouette. I Chronographed it once, and it was right around 2475 fps suppressed (+/-10). I don't recall the exact average, standard deviation, or extreme spread though. Should've wrote it down. I'd like to see a Gel test with it vs their Matchking loading. I'd also like to see if it(their in house made 77gr load) will reliably frag/open up at varied velocities/distances. If it will, It'd be hard to argue against it for a standard cartridge to keep plenty of at it's cost vs the Matchking loading. Good Video man.
Thanks for watching!
The commenters and comments on this video are bizarre.
Thanks for uploading.
Thanks for watching! TH-cam comments are always special.
How bizarre, how bizarre
Ooh, baby (Ooh, baby)
Every time I look around
Every time I look around
It's in my face
I totally agree, I think some of them are snorting the gunpowder.
When comparing 55gr vs the heavier weight 77gr wouldn't the twist rate of the barrel affect accuracy as well at range, aside from the normal factors that would affect accuracy. The 1/9 twist rate for 55gr isn't what you'd want for the 77gr which would prefer a 1/7 twist rate
Thanks for watching! The Tavor has a 1/7 twist I believe. So it should favor the heavier rounds.
I bought both. The 77gr AAC held a better shot group for me.
Thanks for watching!
I don't even see the smk anymore. Just hpbt and otm. And both are made by hornady
Thanks for watching! The just made a batch of the SMK. It is getting rare though.
To be fair, putting "precision" gasoline in a car that's designed to play music better than it drives, you'll get "less than precision" results.
You sort of need a precise gun to fire precise ammo if you want precise results. That thing is kind of a shotgun.
Thanks for watching! I agree, although I hoped for better results than the FMJ. I've got a bolt gun I'm going to try it in too.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Be interesting to see the difference!
"Its kind of a shot gun"😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thank you for the data !!
Thanks for watching!
Will you do a gel test on the aac 77 gr otm? You’d be the first one on TH-cam.
Thanks for watching! I haven't ever used gel before. If I manage to find some, I will.
Right? I've been looking for a test on ballistics gel for a while now. Why hasn't anybody gel tested this stuff yet?
@@brianfischer5609 idk man I’ve looked for months. I need to know it fragments.
@@danielsummey4144 Same. If that bullet performs even remotely close to the matchking, it's worth keeping on hand.
@@ShimberMeTivers Well the 77gr. OTM is .55 cents a round right now, which is only .5 cents more than the cheapest 55gr. ball ammo, so I would say regardless at that cost it is totally worth buying over some 55 gr. ball practice ammo.. Getting a case of it now $527 shipped.. You will not find any other 77gr. OTM at near that price..
Hey, haven't seen any new videos lately. I've been in this hobby since last summer and still learning. I bought a case of Federal Auto Match for cheap from an auction and was seriously disappointed. They were new rounds and I still had jams and fly aways. How is it possible for a bullet to fly a foot away from where I was aiming? I actually had a round bounce off a gourd at 50 yards, maybe you should give a gourd a try on your channel. Thanks for your channel.
Thanks for watching! It's been busy out here, haven't had time for videos. Hopefully gonna get back at it soon! That bulk pack ammo can be really stinky. I usually save it for shooting out of pistols.
Looks like someone doesn't know the difference between Open Tip Match bullets and projectiles meant for terminal expansion.
Thanks for watching! Well I hope they figured it out, whoever that is.
TOFDG. Another good video. Sure, took care of the clay. And the groups are like you said, what you would expect from an AR type gun. Thanks for sharing.
Thanks for watching!
Accuracy testing out of a rifle that is only capable of about 2.5-3.5 moa on a good day seems kinda silly, but it's still good info. It's about as accurate as a non free float AR.
@@thatoneguy454cThanks for watching!
X95 isnt known for great accuracy. Try it with a traditional AR rifle
Thanks for watching! I've been getting about the same accuracy as my AR-15. I will try again with a bolt gun though.
Dang goober great vid my man. The 77g otm is one of my favorites. It runs a close race with the 75g hornady otm. They r great. One question what twist rate and barrel length u useing? Just curious.
Thanks for watching! The Tavor has a 1:7 twist rate and 16.25" barrel. It should be a decent setup for shooting the heavier bullets.
What's the twist rate of your rifle? 1:7 is better for heavy bullets
Thanks for watching! The X95 has a 1:7 twist rate.
I'm curious about what those two yellow tanks next to the 50 yard table are. Are they under any pressure? Any danger there?
Thanks for watching! Those are oxygen tanks. They were under a lot of pressure but they have been permanently relieved.
You might try slowing down a little
Thanks for watching! Good idea!
Use both these AAC 77 Grain 5.56 Ammo with great results
Thanks for watching!
I would definitely expect better es and sd’s for 77gr
@@melonrain6862 Thanks for watching!
First, thanks for making this video.
The heavy weight stuff won't shine until past 400. Not sure if your setup can do that.
I found really good bolt action and single shot rifles to compare what the rounds are capable of outside the AR platform.
The results are a bit different between each type of rifle
@@Swampytheroot Thanks for watching! I just got a bolt gun in 5.56 and I'm going to give these another go
@@TheOldFatDadGoober I'd highly recommend that.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober my intention was to find the actual capability of the ammo, then figure out a way to get an AR platform as close to that as possible
@@Swampytheroot If you want to buy a complete rifle, the ARC from Lead and Steel claims MOA accuracy. Supposedly it's pretty good stuff.
If I had not just watched that video on that 17WSM, (very interesting chambering.) I would have seen this one in a much different light. 👍
I have two 25 lbs. boxes of clay and I can't find a range that will let me shoot them, I guess I see why now.🤣 I totally agree, that 55gr was no slouch, none were.👊
Thanks for watching! Clay is a great target! Messy though...where are you looking?
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Kansas City Missouri area.
@@Disastrous.Affect No public land anywhere?
Surely with todays technology & precision equipment AAC could figure out a way to increase accuracy by decreasing the standard deviations you were seeing. I'm pretty sure that ammo plant is brand new! Surely _someone_ (ex Hornady or Nosler employee?) could figure out how to program those brand new machines to achieve greater precision.
@@BasedAFPatriot Thanks for watching!
First of all, the majority of that is the guy behind the trigger, secondly it’s not just programming difference, it’s the type of powder used, tolerances accepted in loading and making the bullets. If the dies and tooling used are only made to such a tolerance than you get what you get. If the scales used are only accurate to +- 1 grain than that’s what you get. Nothing in programming dude
Training time. 1:7 is NOT required for 77 grain. 1:8 twist works perfectly fine at stabalizing 77 grain rounds. The gun used in this video is not used for precision work, this is more akin to average manufacturers assembled firearms. Other content creators have netted 1 MOA or better with better firearms.
@@Spushed Thanks for watching! My goal was to show performance out of an "average" rifle. I was hoping to set expectations for what a typical person could expect, not the high end shooter.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober I completely agree and I understand I'm just stating the obvious for those who need that LOL
The AAC is a weird animal. Best way to explain is my PSA M4 clone throws those thing straight and true where as my buddies Daniel Defense couldn't hit the broad side of a barn after 4. But you put federal GMM on his DD and the same in my PSA and the roles are completely reversed
@@johnmaresca69 Thanks for watching! It's really funny how different rifles react to different kinds of ammo.
A single five shot group doesn't show a lot. You need to increase your sample size to about 20-30.
Thanks for watching! Good idea.
I'd like to see a test with several different rifles but I know that would get expensive. Otherwise, I'd just do it myself lol.
Thanks for watching! I've got a Ruger American I'm going to try it in.
Well, I wouldn't start off by saying my barrel is not precise and then complain about the precision received. Secondly, the SD will not effect precision at 100y. Lastly, good video. Keep up the hard work.
Thanks for watching! The effects of SD on accuracy is basically witchcraft. Googling around, I found this article:
precisionrifleblog.com/2015/04/18/how-much-does-sd-matter/
From his results, I think it would be possible to estimate what kind of spread to expect at 100 yards.
His results were from 1000 yards on a 20" target. The spread with 20 fps SD was greater than the target, with many shots off above and below. 100 yards is a factor of 10 less than 1000, so I'll also reduce our target size by a factor of 10 which gets us to 2". The SD on this ammo was (at least) twice as much than what was tested in the article creating a spread of potentially greater than 4". I think that it's fair to say that the level of SD I measured would be a factor in the size of the groups and a lower SD would result in much smaller groups, even at 100 yards. Of course, this all depends on whether you believe in witchcraft or not.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober Your argument cannot be justified because you are not shooting a laser beam with an SD to affect group size. Just like saying with extreme SDs you could never shoot a sub MOA group. Barrel, trigger, stability and shooter all play a factor. Furthermore, if you reverse engineer it, there is ammunition with very tight SD's that have very poor precision at 100ys. So I stand by my statement that SD does not effect precision at 100yds.
@@Way2Evl When I said witchcraft, I wasn't kidding. This shooting stuff is weird. I'm going to agree to disagree with you though, I think SD plays a role in accuracy even at relatively shorter distances.
@@TheOldFatDadGoober That's fine, but Ai think it's foolish of you to assume that your precision issues are because of SD. I guess with a tight SD all your groups at 100y are 1/4" or less...🙄
@@Way2Evl Ah, I think I understand now. I don't think the accuracy was ONLY because of the high SD, but I do think it was a factor. I agree, there are other variables at play.
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@@peterschmidt2849 Thanks for watching!
I have seen a lot of failures with AAC ammo. Even if the price is bargain...you aren't getting what you are paying for.
@@robertkubrick3738 Thanks for watching!
Old Fat Dad, did you quit posting video's
@@rikl3539 I haven't quit, just busy. Hopefully I get some time in the next few weeks.
Just imagine what they would do to a Zombie head.
Thanks for watching! It would be a mess!
Also extreme spread is a constantly changing variable that's not a reliable gauge of accuracy.
Also it doesn't look like you're exactly shooting a precision built gun. Some bull pup monstrosity.
Thanks for watching! It's the best bullpup monstrosity! The Tavor X95.
The bulk pack 55 grain ammunition had a similar feet per second spread while going 300-400 feet per second faster than the 77 grain ammunition. Which makes its velocity spread percentage wise smaller.
@@jamesmarkov9570 Thanks for watching!
Anyone else suffer collateral ailments from this Ammo. 1st time I've seen complaint !
Thanks for watching! No extra diseases for me.
Just herpes. But I use ammo differently.
Not a precision shooter.
@@jacksonmarshallkramer5087 Thanks for watching!
I got powder flash smoke stink and an infection in my eye from aac 9mm on a pcc.this ammo is pure trash the worst ammo I've ever used .
Thanks for watching! Bummer!
What
An eye infection?
First!
Thanks for watching! I appreciate you taking a break from the pool to watch my video!