Glen, I am getting goose bumbs, when I see you inspecting every single hole. I am an engineer too but wouldn’t dare to go as deep as you do. My respect to you, cheers Armin
Another cracking video. Thank you. I am troubled by two things: 1. That I can enjoy hours of watching competent, analytical, practical yacht problem solving and fettling. 2. That I applauded when you took the time to clarify the difference between a 'key' and a Woodruff key. :)
I love your videos. Always entertaining and a wonderful insight into what goes into maintaining such a beautiful boat. Your meticulous attention to detail and careful, thoughtful approach is inspiring. Whoever owns this boat after you will know that she has been kept in the best condition she could have possibly ever been kept in. Well done. Keep up the great work.
Absolutely loved this video and waiting with baited breath for part 2. I wish I had your patience and skill for working on complicated items. Thank you for an outstanding video.
I have Jeanneu 51 and have been looking at 55 to 60 footers but when I see how the maintenance jobs (which I normally enjoy) grows exponentially in size and cost 51 feet looks quite attractive. Thanks for sharing your expert skills, multipurpose tools and for making great videos (with no ad-interruptions). Also great to see the wiring of the autopilot, I have discussed this with you on your own web-site.
True, but you have to remember this was the first time in its 10 years of life that these systems has been maintained. Hopefully it will just be light maintenance now for the next 5 years or so.
Yes, I don’t think a boat yard would have been half way so diligent. Not only that but I was surprised to see that HR had been none too careful themselves in the both the oil reservoir mounting and the rudder stock installation.
I'm watching your series backwards (started on part 5 first for some silly reason). Absolutely enjoying your trouble-shooting. Also something to keep in mind for a future boat.
I can only echo many of the previous comments, the scramble for near live weekly updates from other sailing channels are put to shame by the depth and effort you put into Cloudy Bay. Congratulations and hope to see your new adventures in 2022?
Now I can be sure that you are totally and lovely out of your mind. Never even heard of someone like you, nuts! The best part is that I'm so inspired that I will leave Sicily to go to Northern Italy to refresh my HR48. Love for ever, Giovanni
Grazie Mr. Glen. Un altro video altamente tecnico e ben documentato. Divertente lo "scavo abusivo per il timone sperando che nessuno veda". Auguro a Lei e alla sua deliziosa Signora Oana un felice 2022.
A New Year master class in patience and ingenuity. At least you can afford the parts by doing the labour yourself. Most interesting to see that in both jobs you found manufacturers errors. The position of the plastic bottle against the hull and damaged o ring. Object lesson for all....trust nothing and no one as guaranteed except your own work. Best wishes to you both for speedy recovery.
Love it. All that work and then the delight of finding a problem and reason for all that work. You are my benchmark for engineering problem solving, root cause id, tool fabrication...and naughty boy hole digger. And that aluminum bar, like the towel in hitchhiker's guide, never cruise without it. Seriously I just ordered a 3 foot by 1 inch by 1/2 inch AL bar. Finally, that seal is the hero.
Whats gotta be done has gotta be done. And better that I muddle through and learn it rather than just hand it off to some "professional" and hope for the best.
Excellent job Glen, that shaft has a very large "BOX KEY" and it certainly seems to fit snuggly into the keyway, (as it should.). Just great watching you work, disassembling and reassembling with thought and care, enjoyed the video very much, thanks for sharing.
You are welcome Larry. Yes, that key is quite a size eh? I have a friend with a same model boat and it took him 2 days to level his out. So I was very glad mine came out so easily (once I'd got it unjammed from the bearing that is!).
Another wonderful video, mechanically challenging. Water heater work was frustrating in comparison. I admire your hard work on the rudder, one man team of riggers
I am very impressed every time I see one of your videos. You can never sell this ship again, it's too valuable for that. You're a perfectionist like I've never seen before.
Very well done video and boat work with lots of clear info on the rudder bearing assemblies. I could fully understand how it all goes together from the video. I would have used the multi purpose bar to lift the bearing. Two Longish bolts or all thread through the bar & held on the bar by nuts / washers & threaded into the bearing threaded bolt holes. Then two sets of allthread / bolts / washers / nuts through the bar to lift the bar against some metal pieces as pads so pulling the bearing out. More holes would be needed in the bar.
I just removed our rudder as well , great video of you doing yours ! We have a Bristol 45.5 CC that has a partial skeg and is semi balanced. The rudder tube is above the water line with a conventional stuffing box on it . It was not leaking even after 40 years . The rudder post extends up to the deck and is solid bronze as are the internal supports inside the rudder . We had to tilt the boat in its cradle to get it out beaches she is sitting indoors on concrete . Imagine the reprimand I would have got if I dug a hole . I removed it just to replace the stuffing box hose . Again great video 👍👍
@@SailCloudyBay I’m sure your more modern boat is faster with less wetted surface and weight but that rudder bearing looks like a massive undertaking . Enjoy getting it all back together , I’m looking forward to the next video
I absolutely love your maintenance videos. A lot of people tend to ignore what goes on in the rudder as if it is just there for ever. This makes one think twice! Oh and I might replace the soap for a bottle of diesel in the shower. Very effective! :-) :-)
I thoroughly enjoy these maintenance videos. Glenn does a fantastic job repairing and explaining each of the projects. Keep up the good work! Can't wait for the next video!
Great Video - Very well explained and filmed. Always like your video's. You have a great voice and is easily understood. We are looking forward to you getting back on the water. Thanks for your fantastic video's!!!!
Glen, I truly admire your knowledge and methodical attitude to thinking outside the box, you always seem to be able to think three steps ahead and devise logical workarounds. I love the uses you found for the aluminium bar!. I hope we don’t have to long to wait for part 2. Happy New Year.
Wow, that's a heavy duty rudder system, wonder what it weighs all up. Tackling that project solo takes some *****! Lord knows what you'd do to the Orca that tried chewing on that rudder - they seem to have got a taste for rudders on this side of the Atlantic. I think I'll give my modest little transom hung rudder more love and attention now. keep the great videos coming, they are the best in the business, both the technical and especially the sailing.
Glen, if this had been a series on BBC2 or 4 over Xmas it would have been my fav prog, even beating an old episode of Eric and Ernie or The Bridge Over the River Kwai for that matter...please no voting or comments on how sad that sounds!!
Fantastic video, thoroughly enjoyable and I am quite impressed with your skills. I look forward to watching part 2 and seeing you and yours back on the water. I am so glad I blundered across your YT channel!
Love the projects! Quick note he protective cover on the bottom of your jigsaw comes off, best used when you need to protect what your cutting, if you take it of and keep it smooth it will help you for later projects when you need to protect the cut surface!
Glen a most excellent video well done it was a pleasure to watch. Bye the way have you heard of SV Hilma? They lost their rudder due to galvanic corrosion, it’s all on TH-cam.
Really enjoy these videos Glenn. The time and attention you put into the job at hand as well as the videos you present to us is clearly a lot of work and it shows. Looking forward to the next one!
Glad you like them Stephen. And yes, producing this latest serier was ALOT of work. About 2 hours for every minute of video I calculated. And thats jsut the editing, no mention of the hassel to film it all while trying to concentrate on the task at hand.
Thanks for sharing and excellent work Glenn! This is well-timed considering I've thought about dropping my boat's rudder recently. Clearly it is not for the faint of heart.
First class as usual sir. It was time well spent in the editing suite on your lovely yacht . It did not arrive in time for Christmas, but it is an epiphany for rudder enthusiasts .
Excellent video detail of your work. I can really feel how anxious you must have been during this delicate operation and doing it all without a second person. What can I say? Just an excellent workman skill. Cheers.
Just 2 points. I’ve done this on my Beneteau 47.7 single handed just like you. What i did was use the topping lift with purchase system and take it back down to land so i can lower the rudder and hold on to the rudder at the same time when it pops out of bearing and hold the rudder stock…
Another great video!I certainly appreciate the time you spend making these.Ive been in some of the places in Florida you were just in.Never made it to the Keys-was told it was a bit "different "! Hope to see your findings of it. Thanks.again for a very entertaining and educational video.
Glad you like them Brad. Yes we just spent a week in Marathon and now just arrived into Key West. I would say "different" nails it. Its all a bit 1960s and hippy. And the boats are worse than hippy. Odd people! Like marine hillbillies!
Is exactly what I meant but was trying to be pc!someone told me it looked like San Francisco threw up all over it there.I heeded that advice and never went!lol
Never in the field of boat maintenance, have so many been entertained by so few. Could you send me the dimensions of the aluminium bar? it looks like a must have.
Great video. Too bad no skeg to support that rudder. Swim platforms sell better than structural support I guess. I do love your boat despite that and thought about selling my Pacific Seacraft to get an HR which has great creature comforts. Decided to stick with bulletproof. You do an awesome job with the vids.
Thanks Charles. I do agree with you regarding modern swim platforms that open into a cavenous aft locker. I hate the ideal of that. Whereas ours is still a solid, strong and totally sealed transom with a door (swim platform) simply placed in what used to be a sugar scoop design. Like you I really dont like the idea of having a huge open door into the hull and would never buy such a boat for serious sailing.
@@SailCloudyBay OMG - I am 37 minutes in crying with laughter and in awe of genius - being taken to SCHOOL by this bar of aluminum you have found, and the washers under the seal to allow the threaded removal points to be used successfully - - THAT was genius troubleshooting ..... I am taking this one slow, watching 10 min. at a time enjoying every moment of this aluminum bar and the genius that is your troubleshooting.
Glenn - thanks for an excellent instructional post. Very enjoyable. I’m guessing you had years of similar trouble shooting offshore from your SLB wireline unit?
It was the yard manager himself who caught me, Matt. You dont mess with Matt! He's a hunting guy. He hung me upside-down naked in a tree for 8 hours until I promised to pay for the whole yard to be re-laid. At least ... thats what he thought he might do. But gladly I just got a good ol'fashioned telling off and I played my part well, groveling with apologies. Not my finest moment!
@@SailCloudyBay ok.. sorry man. I've only just finished the vid. did't catch the JP3 reference first time around.... it was a good pitch, I was the swing & a miss guy! - on another note. your praise of the simple Aluminium Bar reminds me of the time Homer Simpson's life was saved by an Inanimate Carbon Rod (LOL) - it's always the simple answers that get overlooked eh?
Just looking at what you did with the tank that had split - is there a risk that attaching it as you did you're putting strain on those pipes instead and risking leaks? Ist it possilbe to attach it through the to the mounting itself (another U clip/drill a hole if you know where it can be done without damaging anyting improtant or just threading it through the clip) to take the strain off the pipes? Surprised nobody noticed you digging up their boatyard!!
Hi Tom, I did debate that but those “hoses” are actually robust metal pipe fittings. Plus most of the weight is still hanging from the main mounting bolts. Yes, I did get caught by the yard manager the following week. He noticed our rudder disappearing into the ground. Tore me off a strip. But it was o e of those thing where better to ask forgiveness than permission 😂
OK. Glen. I'm 21.08 minutes into the video. I know that I'm jumping ahead of your video. But how do you lubricat that mess, after you get it back together. And thanks for sharing.
Ah ha .... well Eric you will have to watch the next episode on Friday 14th! Actually, once installed there is no need to lubricate these bearings, according to the manufacturer, JP3. Which is kind of true because there's been no lubrication done to this one for 12 years since new. This is the first time apart for the lower bearing (I had the upper bearing apart 3 years ago).
As usual, DIY excellence. You referenced diagrams of the rudder assembly. Is this from an HR maintenance manual? If so, perhaps you could shown the manual(s) in your next video. Also, are you sending any photos/information to HR on your findings of seal erosion etc?
All the diagrams are from info I've gathered here and there. Not from any manual. I dont think either HR nor JP3 would be recommending owners to do this kind of job. Yes, I did inform HR and JP3 or what I found. And other HR owners. Ironically one other owner did the same and found the same galvanic problem
@@SailCloudyBay I'm retired after 40 years in aviation. Can't touch an aircraft without reference to a manual/computer and obligatory "sign off" of work performed. Everything has a rigid schedule of service. I noted that you keep a very comprehensive record of the work you do. Please include updates of entries and remaining work in your next video. Its all very interesting, watchable and enjoyable. You are a one man HR service centre. Best regards.
Thats interesting. I once spent a year between school and university working in an executive aircraft service center. I was just a general dogs-body but I did get an insight as to the strict adherance to process when it came to maintenance. Every single screw had a batch number that need to be recorded on any materials used. I noted things were VERY different in the oil industry that I spend my career in. At least to start with, when oil rigs were sinking and blowing up at an alarming rate. Then things got more diciplined, but still a far cry from the aviation industry.
Allan, yes, these JP3 Steering bearings are used on all the super racy boats like Vendee Globe etc. Pretty high spec. I was impressed. The seals kits I could have got direct from JP3 in France, but I ended up getting them through HR-Parts where I get everything else from. I think Hallberg Rassy are pretty unique in having this excellent serivce. They source and provide (with very cheap worldwide shipping) anything and everything any HR yacht would need.
Not sure what you mean by outsource the engineering, Allan. They simply procure and supply any part that was ever installed on any HR model. If those suppliers can no longer supply, they do seek alternatives. And, with regards to engineering they will stretch to ask people in manufacturing when you have a specific problem. They did this when I found the galvanic corrosiono on the JP3 bearing for instance.
I would prefer to see some sort of shaft clamp for locking the stock top nut to the stock but that would need a different stock design where the stock taper ends lower at a short shoulder that sits just below the stock top nut and the stock top nut might have a slightly less pronounced shoulder at the lower end. The stock top nut then would screw down into position against the stock top shoulder, a 2 piece clamp would then be secured in place. The shoulders on the stock and stock top nut might also have an extra step which lines up with a circumferential groove in the internal bore of the shaft clamp making it physically impossible for the top nut to unscrew due to the clamp loosening thus stopping unscrewing by two methods with the extra shoulder step sat in a clamp internal groove method working to hold the clamp in place & prevent unscrewing greater than a small amount of rotation even if the clamp were to become slightly loose for some reason.
Good use of mechanical advantage getting that rudder out. Does Hallberg Rassy require dropping of the rudder at 10 years? Do they provide a maintenance schedule? Or was this just your initiative? I'm surprised by the level of deterioration of those internals. Thoroughly enjoying your mx series.
I know you are preparing for sailing around the world. May I ask what do you think the difference is between sailing with a kick-ass monohull like this and a good performance catamaran? Someone with your knowledge and attention to detail must have thought about it, right? I am asking because I do sail in Sweden and in here the wind changes and there are archipelagos, so monohull seems to be the only option. I have tripped several times because of random healing. Maybe a multi-hull can be safer for me, but I do not know!
Multihulls give amazing living space and stable. But personally I would not Ocean sail with one. I dont like the motion and frankly the modern cats dont sail well (most of them). And you can forget going anything like upwind. That said, when we sell Cloudy bay and "retire" to mediterreanean sailing, it will likely be on a cat because there is so little wind in the med to sail anyway.
@@SailCloudyBay I just changed my chart reservation again this year and switched to a mono. In archipelago, I need a tighter point of sail. It is still bugging me that one catamaran that passed up last year with such a speed. It was beam reach, though. Thanks for your comment.
Thats about the ONLY point of sail that a cat may speed passed a Hallberg Rassy. And even then I can honestly say we have never seen a cat overtake us, unless they have both engines roaring away - which is like always, when the wind is infront of their beam.
Let me preface this with I don't own a sailboat, nor have I ever worked on one. It seems like many nationalities end up in the U.S.on the hard to work on their boats. Is it just where they are at the time, the weather, part pricing and availability, or that we're just dang friendly people?
Ummm, not really Gerald. People end up in boat yards all over the world. And I can tell you, USA is definitely not cheap. Docking is expensive here. Yards too. And dont get me talking about the cost for 1 hour labour. But, people are nice indeed, parts are relatively cheap and always easy to import, flying in and out is easy and the Chesapeak at least is out of the way of Hurricanes. We are here only because we were heading to the Pacific when Covid struck and needed somewhere to haul the boat and get home. That turned into doing quite a bit of work on the boat. But have to say, I'm very taken with Maryland.
I understand there are boats in yards all over the world. I was more curious about when you had the choice where to refit, and the variables that entered into the equation. Preventive maintenance would be one of those scenarios that would allow you to choose where and to a lesser degree when. In fact P.M. is all about the luxury of choosing where. Thanks for the response. Great content!
We did our initial refit a year after we bought the boat, in Spain. It was really just timing (Covid) that led us to be ashore in USA and have the time to do all this maintenance. That said, it was a good place to do it.
The helicoil in GRP situation. It's possible that the tapped GRP holes were a mistake by HR but haven't checked the details yet. I'm fairly certain I'd avoid ever doing that for permanent fitting & fixing. I'd drill largeish holes - 2 X larger than the correct size nut about 50mm deep, Join together temporarily with hot melt glue or similar a lower nut, an intermediate thick plate / washer with oversized hole & a short length of aluminium tube on top & epoxy these into place in the drilled hole. Or a chunk of drilled / tapped square bar stock aluminium with grooves hacksawed into the sides for grip epoxied into place in the holes with the upper aluminium & GRP surfaces level. Some various lengths of Unistrut with a selection of joiners & fittings plus all thread pieces etc can all be obtained cheaply & would make excellent universal bar type tools for doing stuff on boats. Unistrut has sliding, spring retained nuts etc.
Put your "Super Deluxe Multi-Purpose Aluminium Bar" for sale on Amazon and everywhere else for $200. That way you can recoup the cost of that plastic container. lols
Richard, according to my wife quite a lot actually! Mostly around the kitchen and folding cloths activities. Oh, and apparently I'm hopeless at using any sink without getting it wet. And all the other usual things red-blooded males are useless at, I guess.
I was looking for a link to buy said multipurpose aluminum bar in the description but I guess I'll have to just keep using "standard" tools :( when will my suffering and heavy wallet with $200 burnable dollars feel relief
Someone needs to come up with a simpler more easily serviceable rudder stock mounting. “The best part is no part” as Elon Musk would say, or “less is more” as I would say.
more than slightly biased but I disagree. Compared to other production yachts they are suberb. Yes, high priced but also hold their value. Ours is now worth almost double what we paid for it. Try getting that type of cost-of-ownership with something like a Bavaria!
Hi Glen, -- QUESTION -- I am wondering about skeg rudders vs non-skeg. How would your rudder react to hitting a reef or something? Has HR designed it to bend in a predictable and safe way so that it can continue to be used and would not start leaking water into the cabin? I see that HR has gone to twin spade rudders and it is hard to understand if this is unsafe or not. Seems like the benefits must outweigh the risks otherwise why would they do this. Any thoughts on this?? You have mentioned, favorably, the HR 53, but that one has a "partial" skeg rudder. Not sure how that reacts to a hit. For what it is worth, I can't find a single case of a HR rudder failure at sea so I suspect that somehow they are very very safe regardless of skeg..
I was a little concerned at having a spade rudder. But after taking it out and seeing the 120mm SOLID stainless shaft and the 4” thick hull around the lower bearing it would take a huge impact to screw it up. Plus it’s neatly protected behind the keel. Now, that’s not the case on the newer twin rudder models. I wouldn’t take those on a long passage and feel secure. They’re both hanging out there screaming: hit me, hit me!
@@SailCloudyBay ..that is really good to hear re: the strength of your rudder - no wonder I can find no instance of rudder trouble for it. The dual rudder setup looks to be a potential problem. Will you guys ever make your way to the BC Inside Passage/Alaska route? Cloudy would sure look nice up there (summer only of course).
Silly Question -- you say th/at you have a 10mm hole.. Can a drill bit that is also exactly 10mm fit into a 10mm hole, or must the drill bit be slightly smaller to fit? (I can't get my brain to picture them fitting if it is the same size)
Glen, I am getting goose bumbs, when I see you inspecting every single hole. I am an engineer too but wouldn’t dare to go as deep as you do. My respect to you, cheers Armin
Another cracking video. Thank you. I am troubled by two things:
1. That I can enjoy hours of watching competent, analytical, practical yacht problem solving and fettling.
2. That I applauded when you took the time to clarify the difference between a 'key' and a Woodruff key. :)
I love your videos. Always entertaining and a wonderful insight into what goes into maintaining such a beautiful boat. Your meticulous attention to detail and careful, thoughtful approach is inspiring. Whoever owns this boat after you will know that she has been kept in the best condition she could have possibly ever been kept in. Well done. Keep up the great work.
Thank you very much Mark. Great comment.
HR need to be covertly watching this series of videos to better snag their new builds. Great job old bean!
Jolly nice of you to say that old chap :)
Somehow like watching HOW! and Tomorrows World all rolled into one. Fantastic.
I know TW, but not HOW. Anyway, sounds good. Thanks
Absolutely loved this video and waiting with baited breath for part 2. I wish I had your patience and skill for working on complicated items. Thank you for an outstanding video.
Glad you enjoyed it, Dick. You were pretty fast to view it!
I have Jeanneu 51 and have been looking at 55 to 60 footers but when I see how the maintenance jobs (which I normally enjoy) grows exponentially in size and cost 51 feet looks quite attractive. Thanks for sharing your expert skills, multipurpose tools and for making great videos (with no ad-interruptions). Also great to see the wiring of the autopilot, I have discussed this with you on your own web-site.
True, but you have to remember this was the first time in its 10 years of life that these systems has been maintained. Hopefully it will just be light maintenance now for the next 5 years or so.
I bet you were good at LEGO when you was a kid ! Stunning understanding of engineering Mr Glen.
Funny that ... I did enjoy lego!
You sir are a terrific mechanic and very entertaining. I love your humor.
Thanks John, glad you found it entertaining. It was hard work, but also fun editing.
I was actually looking for a couple of sticks so I could get a drum session together!
I do not think a shipyard can do a better job than you while filming and being entertaining. You make it look possible!
Thanks ... everything is possible when you put your mind to it. But have to say, that rudder project did challenge my nerves
Yes, I don’t think a boat yard would have been half way so diligent. Not only that but I was surprised to see that HR had been none too careful themselves in the both the oil reservoir mounting and the rudder stock installation.
I'm watching your series backwards (started on part 5 first for some silly reason). Absolutely enjoying your trouble-shooting. Also something to keep in mind for a future boat.
I can only echo many of the previous comments, the scramble for near live weekly updates from other sailing channels are put to shame by the depth and effort you put into Cloudy Bay. Congratulations and hope to see your new adventures in 2022?
Thanks for that, Trevor.
There is something epic about this series. I can imagine the satisfaction when you’re back on the water. Best wishes.
Yes, good to be back on the water (right now) with everything done. But .... still lots of little things each day.
I so resonate with your humour and thinking out loud commentary. So watchable. A truly great job too. 🍷🍷😵💫. So pleased to have found your channel.
Thanks Stephen, welcome on board.
Now I can be sure that you are totally and lovely out of your mind. Never even heard of someone like you, nuts! The best part is that I'm so inspired that I will leave Sicily to go to Northern Italy to refresh my HR48.
Love for ever,
Giovanni
Giovanni, thanks, that made us laugh!
Grazie Mr. Glen. Un altro video altamente tecnico e ben documentato.
Divertente lo "scavo abusivo per il timone sperando che nessuno veda".
Auguro a Lei e alla sua deliziosa Signora Oana un felice 2022.
Grazie Renarto. Tanti auguri per il 2022 anche a te
The one thing I have learnt from these excellent maintenance videos is…..one should never attempt such work without Benny Hill music. Cheers🤙
Great point, he does tend to do a good job of speeding up my progress!
I love the hole camouflage (and the aluminum multi-purpose tool).
Yes the whole hole saga on the whole was wholey entertaining.
A New Year master class in patience and ingenuity. At least you can afford the parts by doing the labour yourself.
Most interesting to see that in both jobs you found manufacturers errors. The position of the plastic bottle against the hull and damaged o ring.
Object lesson for all....trust nothing and no one as guaranteed except your own work.
Best wishes to you both for speedy recovery.
Nick, sadly so true. And even my own work I dont trust sometimes ... but at least I know what was done!
Love it. All that work and then the delight of finding a problem and reason for all that work. You are my benchmark for engineering problem solving, root cause id, tool fabrication...and naughty boy hole digger. And that aluminum bar, like the towel in hitchhiker's guide, never cruise without it. Seriously I just ordered a 3 foot by 1 inch by 1/2 inch AL bar. Finally, that seal is the hero.
Great comment :) thanks
Again... Amazing.... No job too tough.
Whats gotta be done has gotta be done. And better that I muddle through and learn it rather than just hand it off to some "professional" and hope for the best.
Very well done. Jobs and filming, and the Benny Hill tune of course. Congrats
Glad you enjoyed it Filip
Excellent job Glen, that shaft has a very large "BOX KEY" and it certainly seems to fit snuggly into the keyway, (as it should.). Just great watching you work, disassembling and reassembling with thought and care, enjoyed the video very much, thanks for sharing.
You are welcome Larry. Yes, that key is quite a size eh? I have a friend with a same model boat and it took him 2 days to level his out. So I was very glad mine came out so easily (once I'd got it unjammed from the bearing that is!).
Wow...really high tech technical
Almost like seeing the original being made.
Fun..truly!!
Cheers
Yes Andre, its quite a nice piece of engineering. Just a pity the galvanic issue was not considered.
Loved this episode. Great quality by HR too.
Glad you enjoyed it
If Glen was ever to get stranded on a deserted island, Tom Hanks style, the Aluminium multi purpose tool would make an excellent Wilson replacement.
Another wonderful video, mechanically challenging. Water heater work was frustrating in comparison. I admire your hard work on the rudder, one man team of riggers
Yes this one was a tough one but the water tank nearly did my brain in. And, you know what? the little "shite" is leaking again - from a new place!
That really is a huge amount of skilled maintenance
Thanks
Great vid Glenn, the pallet was especially humorous.
Yeah, I thought my disguise was good. But the yard manager saw through it!
I am very impressed every time I see one of your videos. You can never sell this ship again, it's too valuable for that. You're a perfectionist like I've never seen before.
Wow, thank you Karlheinz. I try to do my best at whatever needs doing. I tend to find short-cutting always comes back to bite me.
Very well done video and boat work with lots of clear info on the rudder bearing assemblies. I could fully understand how it all goes together from the video.
I would have used the multi purpose bar to lift the bearing. Two Longish bolts or all thread through the bar & held on the bar by nuts / washers & threaded into the bearing threaded bolt holes. Then two sets of allthread / bolts / washers / nuts through the bar to lift the bar against some metal pieces as pads so pulling the bearing out. More holes would be needed in the bar.
I didnt wnat any more holes in my precious bar! But yes, your suggestion is a good one. Thanks.
Hi Glen, you’re such an entertaining engineer. Love your videos, learned a lot.
Glad to hear it Michael.
Would it be strange if I said I missed you! lol Great to have you back!
Not at all! Just dont start with any kisses!
@@SailCloudyBay lol Don't worry those are exclusively for my wife
I just removed our rudder as well , great video of you doing yours ! We have a Bristol 45.5 CC that has a partial skeg and is semi balanced. The rudder tube is above the water line with a conventional stuffing box on it . It was not leaking even after 40 years . The rudder post extends up to the deck and is solid bronze as are the internal supports inside the rudder . We had to tilt the boat in its cradle to get it out beaches she is sitting indoors on concrete . Imagine the reprimand I would have got if I dug a hole . I removed it just to replace the stuffing box hose . Again great video 👍👍
Yes the more traditional rudder setups where pretty bullet proof. Sometimes modern is not an upgrade!
@@SailCloudyBay I’m sure your more modern boat is faster with less wetted surface and weight but that rudder bearing looks like a massive undertaking . Enjoy getting it all back together , I’m looking forward to the next video
Next video is out!
It’s just fun to watch Glenn take on a job and as usual,just kill it !! Well done!!
:) in the case of the rudder ... had to kill it before it killed me!
You make the best project videos! I feel like I have to shoot for a HR now that I have vault of "how to" videos. Thanks!
Please let HR know why you bought an HR ... they might gimme dicount
Amazing Love it keep up the good work
”Big Glen””. Your are amazing!!🙌👊👊😃⛵️⛵️very interesting video!
I appreciate that, Conny. Thanks
I absolutely love your maintenance videos. A lot of people tend to ignore what goes on in the rudder as if it is just there for ever. This makes one think twice! Oh and I might replace the soap for a bottle of diesel in the shower. Very effective! :-) :-)
Great point! ... sometimes I get dirty enough to jsutify deisel in the shower!
I thoroughly enjoy these maintenance videos. Glenn does a fantastic job repairing and explaining each of the projects. Keep up the good work! Can't wait for the next video!
Thanks, will do!
Very detailed and actually quite entertaining
Glad you enjoyed it Paul
Great Video - Very well explained and filmed. Always like your video's. You have a great voice and is easily understood. We are looking forward to you getting back on the water. Thanks for your fantastic video's!!!!
Thank you very much, Larry. We are back on the water now but want to get all the maintenance vids published first before we start on the sailing.
Glen, I truly admire your knowledge and methodical attitude to thinking outside the box, you always seem to be able to think three steps ahead and devise logical workarounds. I love the uses you found for the aluminium bar!. I hope we don’t have to long to wait for part 2. Happy New Year.
Thanks for such a great comment Andy. Yes that aluminium bar just kept surprising me! Next part released 14th Jan. Already up loaded.
Wow, that's a heavy duty rudder system, wonder what it weighs all up. Tackling that project solo takes some *****! Lord knows what you'd do to the Orca that tried chewing on that rudder - they seem to have got a taste for rudders on this side of the Atlantic. I think I'll give my modest little transom hung rudder more love and attention now. keep the great videos coming, they are the best in the business, both the technical and especially the sailing.
Thanks ZZ. Yes, rudder is a pretty important piece of the boat. Feel a bit bad I only just gave it attention.
Glen, if this had been a series on BBC2 or 4 over Xmas it would have been my fav prog, even beating an old episode of Eric and Ernie or The Bridge Over the River Kwai for that matter...please no voting or comments on how sad that sounds!!
Awwww they didn’t show The Great Escape?
@@SailCloudyBay Didn't get Dr Zhivago or Zule either......
Thank you for sharing your knowledge
You are very welcome. Thanks for appreciating the video.
Fantastic video, thoroughly enjoyable and I am quite impressed with your skills. I look forward to watching part 2 and seeing you and yours back on the water. I am so glad I blundered across your YT channel!
Thank you very much! Please teach other people to do the same blundering.
thoughtful, quality of work, really impressed with your skill and analysis. looking forward to the next episode. a thank you from france
You are welcome Frederic
Love the projects! Quick note he protective cover on the bottom of your jigsaw comes off, best used when you need to protect what your cutting, if you take it of and keep it smooth it will help you for later projects when you need to protect the cut surface!
Thanks for the tip Mike. Its amazing how many small things like this I learn from viewers comments.
All the best for 2022 to you and your better half.
Thanks, she is right with me here on the boat in Florida Keys ....
Back to reading/learning my ways with you, takk
You are welcome Jan.
Glen a most excellent video well done it was a pleasure to watch. Bye the way have you heard of SV Hilma? They lost their rudder due to galvanic corrosion, it’s all on TH-cam.
Yes, I've see a few cases of major galvanic on rudders. I've now attached it to an anode
Really enjoy these videos Glenn. The time and attention you put into the job at hand as well as the videos you present to us is clearly a lot of work and it shows. Looking forward to the next one!
Glad you like them Stephen. And yes, producing this latest serier was ALOT of work. About 2 hours for every minute of video I calculated. And thats jsut the editing, no mention of the hassel to film it all while trying to concentrate on the task at hand.
You did a great job
Thanks Paul.
Really Great!
Thanks Luca. The next pat to this video is now published for viewing too.
Thanks for sharing and excellent work Glenn! This is well-timed considering I've thought about dropping my boat's rudder recently. Clearly it is not for the faint of heart.
Glad it was helpful drew. yes, this was a big job indeed.
10 points , Iv been there & dug holes in 'Hard ground' for the rudder drop (& got told off)
Yep ... all part of the fun :)
First class as usual sir. It was time well spent in the editing suite on your lovely yacht . It did not arrive in time for Christmas, but it is an epiphany for rudder enthusiasts .
Sorry, did try to get these out for CHristmas, but Covid arrived too late for that. (I'm locked down with COv right now.)
Honorable mention to Aluminum rod as well…
That rod now has pride of place in my tool box of of "special tools"!
Best of the Seasn to you and yours and a Happy New Years.
Happy new year!
Excellent video detail of your work. I can really feel how anxious you must have been during this delicate operation and doing it all without a second person. What can I say? Just an excellent workman skill. Cheers.
Yes, after taking apart all the hydraulic furlers, this rudder project did challenge my nerves
Just 2 points. I’ve done this on my Beneteau 47.7 single handed just like you. What i did was use the topping lift with purchase system and take it back down to land so i can lower the rudder and hold on to the rudder at the same time when it pops out of bearing and hold the rudder stock…
Would have done that too. But the mast was not up.
@@SailCloudyBay oh yes. forgot. 😂😂
Another great video!I certainly appreciate the time you spend making these.Ive been in some of the places in Florida you were just in.Never made it to the Keys-was told it was a bit "different "!
Hope to see your findings of it.
Thanks.again for a very entertaining and educational video.
Glad you like them Brad. Yes we just spent a week in Marathon and now just arrived into Key West. I would say "different" nails it. Its all a bit 1960s and hippy. And the boats are worse than hippy. Odd people! Like marine hillbillies!
Is exactly what I meant but was trying to be pc!someone told me it looked like San Francisco threw up all over it there.I heeded that advice and never went!lol
Formidable and all finish perfectly well.
Please could you tellus more about the installation of your Simpson Davits,
Merci beaucoup et bons vents.
Pierre, send us a message from our website and let me know any questions you have with regards to the SL davits from Cooney Marine.
bravo
Never in the field of boat maintenance, have so many been entertained by so few. Could you send me the dimensions of the aluminium bar? it looks like a must have.
1 by half by 2. Or I’m selling them on consignment via Hallberg Rassy Parts. If you use CONNED as a promotion code you get free shipping.
Great video. Too bad no skeg to support that rudder. Swim platforms sell better than structural support I guess. I do love your boat despite that and thought about selling my Pacific Seacraft to get an HR which has great creature comforts. Decided to stick with bulletproof. You do an awesome job with the vids.
Thanks Charles. I do agree with you regarding modern swim platforms that open into a cavenous aft locker. I hate the ideal of that. Whereas ours is still a solid, strong and totally sealed transom with a door (swim platform) simply placed in what used to be a sugar scoop design.
Like you I really dont like the idea of having a huge open door into the hull and would never buy such a boat for serious sailing.
Yeasssss!!! Part 5
And Yessss part 6 already waiting to launch next week, Ian
@@SailCloudyBay OMG - I am 37 minutes in crying with laughter and in awe of genius - being taken to SCHOOL by this bar of aluminum you have found, and the washers under the seal to allow the threaded removal points to be used successfully - - THAT was genius troubleshooting ..... I am taking this one slow, watching 10 min. at a time enjoying every moment of this aluminum bar and the genius that is your troubleshooting.
Glenn - thanks for an excellent instructional post. Very enjoyable. I’m guessing you had years of similar trouble shooting offshore from your SLB wireline unit?
Oh yes ... That was many moons ago, but the experience was priceless.
Awesome video. I admirable the attention to detail that you give to the task. Very informative and also very entertaining to boot. Thank You.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Great job Captain 👩✈️ what did the marina do to you for digging the hole? I doubt it was the first time that it was done take care
It was the yard manager himself who caught me, Matt. You dont mess with Matt! He's a hunting guy. He hung me upside-down naked in a tree for 8 hours until I promised to pay for the whole yard to be re-laid.
At least ... thats what he thought he might do. But gladly I just got a good ol'fashioned telling off and I played my part well, groveling with apologies. Not my finest moment!
Are you supposed to use petroleum jelly on o-rings? I thought that was a no no? Love the videos
It’s fine on nitrile o-rings which are made to resist petroleum products. Basic rubber o-rings would be a problem.
Morning Jefe'....
By Jefe you means Jefe bearings? No, these are similar but are made by JP3-steering in France.
@@SailCloudyBay I was thinking 'Boss Man'
i am a sad unilingual ...
@@SailCloudyBay ok.. sorry man. I've only just finished the vid. did't catch the JP3 reference first time around.... it was a good pitch, I was the swing & a miss guy! - on another note. your praise of the simple Aluminium Bar reminds me of the time Homer Simpson's life was saved by an Inanimate Carbon Rod (LOL) - it's always the simple answers that get overlooked eh?
Just looking at what you did with the tank that had split - is there a risk that attaching it as you did you're putting strain on those pipes instead and risking leaks? Ist it possilbe to attach it through the to the mounting itself (another U clip/drill a hole if you know where it can be done without damaging anyting improtant or just threading it through the clip) to take the strain off the pipes? Surprised nobody noticed you digging up their boatyard!!
Hi Tom, I did debate that but those “hoses” are actually robust metal pipe fittings. Plus most of the weight is still hanging from the main mounting bolts.
Yes, I did get caught by the yard manager the following week. He noticed our rudder disappearing into the ground. Tore me off a strip. But it was o e of those thing where better to ask forgiveness than permission 😂
OK. Glen. I'm 21.08 minutes into the video. I know that I'm jumping ahead of your video. But how do you lubricat that mess, after you get it back together. And thanks for sharing.
Ah ha .... well Eric you will have to watch the next episode on Friday 14th!
Actually, once installed there is no need to lubricate these bearings, according to the manufacturer, JP3. Which is kind of true because there's been no lubrication done to this one for 12 years since new. This is the first time apart for the lower bearing (I had the upper bearing apart 3 years ago).
Another great video. In what city/town are you doing the work?
Ron, we were in Herrington Harbour North Marina and Yard in Deale, Maryland.
As usual, DIY excellence. You referenced diagrams of the rudder assembly. Is this from an HR maintenance manual? If so, perhaps you could shown the manual(s) in your next video. Also, are you sending any photos/information to HR on your findings of seal erosion etc?
All the diagrams are from info I've gathered here and there. Not from any manual. I dont think either HR nor JP3 would be recommending owners to do this kind of job. Yes, I did inform HR and JP3 or what I found. And other HR owners. Ironically one other owner did the same and found the same galvanic problem
@@SailCloudyBay I'm retired after 40 years in aviation. Can't touch an aircraft without reference to a manual/computer and obligatory "sign off" of work performed. Everything has a rigid schedule of service. I noted that you keep a very comprehensive record of the work you do. Please include updates of entries and remaining work in your next video. Its all very interesting, watchable and enjoyable. You are a one man HR service centre. Best regards.
Thats interesting. I once spent a year between school and university working in an executive aircraft service center. I was just a general dogs-body but I did get an insight as to the strict adherance to process when it came to maintenance. Every single screw had a batch number that need to be recorded on any materials used. I noted things were VERY different in the oil industry that I spend my career in. At least to start with, when oil rigs were sinking and blowing up at an alarming rate. Then things got more diciplined, but still a far cry from the aviation industry.
Until your video I had no idea of the precision engineering used in the manufacturing of. these items. How hard was it to order all the new seals?
Allan, yes, these JP3 Steering bearings are used on all the super racy boats like Vendee Globe etc. Pretty high spec. I was impressed. The seals kits I could have got direct from JP3 in France, but I ended up getting them through HR-Parts where I get everything else from. I think Hallberg Rassy are pretty unique in having this excellent serivce. They source and provide (with very cheap worldwide shipping) anything and everything any HR yacht would need.
@@SailCloudyBay - The HR Parts Warehouse seems to be very impressive! Do they outsource all the engineering for their parts?
Not sure what you mean by outsource the engineering, Allan. They simply procure and supply any part that was ever installed on any HR model. If those suppliers can no longer supply, they do seek alternatives. And, with regards to engineering they will stretch to ask people in manufacturing when you have a specific problem. They did this when I found the galvanic corrosiono on the JP3 bearing for instance.
Simon Templer , Mr. Gagget , Good O'l Mikey G. All round into one.. Whats your ET on splashing ?
Wayne, we splashed in the fall and now in Florida Keys ... currently stationary with Covid :(
I would prefer to see some sort of shaft clamp for locking the stock top nut to the stock but that would need a different stock design where the stock taper ends lower at a short shoulder that sits just below the stock top nut and the stock top nut might have a slightly less pronounced shoulder at the lower end. The stock top nut then would screw down into position against the stock top shoulder, a 2 piece clamp would then be secured in place. The shoulders on the stock and stock top nut might also have an extra step which lines up with a circumferential groove in the internal bore of the shaft clamp making it physically impossible for the top nut to unscrew due to the clamp loosening thus stopping unscrewing by two methods with the extra shoulder step sat in a clamp internal groove method working to hold the clamp in place & prevent unscrewing greater than a small amount of rotation even if the clamp were to become slightly loose for some reason.
I miss your sailing videos
On another point about your auto pilots. Do both Lin ear drives work together on opposite modes or is one a spare.?
Georges, they both work together. One wired in reverse to the other. I also have an extra one as a spare.
@@SailCloudyBay Nice set up. I guess you need it for long distance cruising and passage making.
Good use of mechanical advantage getting that rudder out.
Does Hallberg Rassy require dropping of the rudder at 10 years? Do they provide a maintenance schedule? Or was this just your initiative? I'm surprised by the level of deterioration of those internals.
Thoroughly enjoying your mx series.
Guideline from JP3 Steering, the bearing manufacturer, is every 5 years.
I know you are preparing for sailing around the world. May I ask what do you think the difference is between sailing with a kick-ass monohull like this and a good performance catamaran? Someone with your knowledge and attention to detail must have thought about it, right? I am asking because I do sail in Sweden and in here the wind changes and there are archipelagos, so monohull seems to be the only option. I have tripped several times because of random healing. Maybe a multi-hull can be safer for me, but I do not know!
Multihulls give amazing living space and stable. But personally I would not Ocean sail with one. I dont like the motion and frankly the modern cats dont sail well (most of them). And you can forget going anything like upwind. That said, when we sell Cloudy bay and "retire" to mediterreanean sailing, it will likely be on a cat because there is so little wind in the med to sail anyway.
@@SailCloudyBay I just changed my chart reservation again this year and switched to a mono. In archipelago, I need a tighter point of sail. It is still bugging me that one catamaran that passed up last year with such a speed. It was beam reach, though. Thanks for your comment.
Thats about the ONLY point of sail that a cat may speed passed a Hallberg Rassy. And even then I can honestly say we have never seen a cat overtake us, unless they have both engines roaring away - which is like always, when the wind is infront of their beam.
Let me preface this with I don't own a sailboat, nor have I ever worked on one. It seems like many nationalities end up in the U.S.on the hard to work on their boats. Is it just where they are at the time, the weather, part pricing and availability, or that we're just dang friendly people?
Ummm, not really Gerald. People end up in boat yards all over the world. And I can tell you, USA is definitely not cheap. Docking is expensive here. Yards too. And dont get me talking about the cost for 1 hour labour. But, people are nice indeed, parts are relatively cheap and always easy to import, flying in and out is easy and the Chesapeak at least is out of the way of Hurricanes.
We are here only because we were heading to the Pacific when Covid struck and needed somewhere to haul the boat and get home. That turned into doing quite a bit of work on the boat. But have to say, I'm very taken with Maryland.
I understand there are boats in yards all over the world. I was more curious about when you had the choice where to refit, and the variables that entered into the equation. Preventive maintenance would be one of those scenarios that would allow you to choose where and to a lesser degree when. In fact P.M. is all about the luxury of choosing where. Thanks for the response. Great content!
We did our initial refit a year after we bought the boat, in Spain. It was really just timing (Covid) that led us to be ashore in USA and have the time to do all this maintenance. That said, it was a good place to do it.
"I've got blisters on my fingers!"~ Ringo Starr
The helicoil in GRP situation.
It's possible that the tapped GRP holes were a mistake by HR but haven't checked the details yet.
I'm fairly certain I'd avoid ever doing that for permanent fitting & fixing.
I'd drill largeish holes - 2 X larger than the correct size nut about 50mm deep, Join together temporarily with hot melt glue or similar a lower nut, an intermediate thick plate / washer with oversized hole & a short length of aluminium tube on top & epoxy these into place in the drilled hole.
Or a chunk of drilled / tapped square bar stock aluminium with grooves hacksawed into the sides for grip epoxied into place in the holes with the upper aluminium & GRP surfaces level.
Some various lengths of Unistrut with a selection of joiners & fittings plus all thread pieces etc can all be obtained cheaply & would make excellent universal bar type tools for doing stuff on boats. Unistrut has sliding, spring retained nuts etc.
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Haha how funny! After all the huge tasks you’ve carried out, you hurt your hand from digging the hole and stabbed the other filleting an avo!!🤣
Yeah classic me. I get hurt when my guard is down.
Put your "Super Deluxe Multi-Purpose Aluminium Bar" for sale on Amazon and everywhere else for $200. That way you can recoup the cost of that plastic container. lols
Its for sale in Hallberg Rassy parts now. 50% off with discount code
Is there anything u cannot do?
Richard, according to my wife quite a lot actually! Mostly around the kitchen and folding cloths activities. Oh, and apparently I'm hopeless at using any sink without getting it wet. And all the other usual things red-blooded males are useless at, I guess.
I was looking for a link to buy said multipurpose aluminum bar in the description but I guess I'll have to just keep using "standard" tools :( when will my suffering and heavy wallet with $200 burnable dollars feel relief
I'm selling them on consignment from HR-Parts in Sweden. And 50% off with promotoion code "CONNED". Enjoy. Everyone should have one :)
I would not have supported the tank from the pipes
Digging holes in the yard! th-cam.com/video/5kbo8pUDcHQ/w-d-xo.html
Classic, and from one of my fav films! I was indeed "a very naughty boy"!
Someone needs to come up with a simpler more easily serviceable rudder stock mounting. “The best part is no part” as Elon Musk would say, or “less is more” as I would say.
HR = Overpriced production vessel
more than slightly biased but I disagree. Compared to other production yachts they are suberb. Yes, high priced but also hold their value. Ours is now worth almost double what we paid for it. Try getting that type of cost-of-ownership with something like a Bavaria!
Hi Glen, -- QUESTION -- I am wondering about skeg rudders vs non-skeg. How would your rudder react to hitting a reef or something? Has HR designed it to bend in a predictable and safe way so that it can continue to be used and would not start leaking water into the cabin? I see that HR has gone to twin spade rudders and it is hard to understand if this is unsafe or not. Seems like the benefits must outweigh the risks otherwise why would they do this. Any thoughts on this?? You have mentioned, favorably, the HR 53, but that one has a "partial" skeg rudder. Not sure how that reacts to a hit. For what it is worth, I can't find a single case of a HR rudder failure at sea so I suspect that somehow they are very very safe regardless of skeg..
I was a little concerned at having a spade rudder. But after taking it out and seeing the 120mm SOLID stainless shaft and the 4” thick hull around the lower bearing it would take a huge impact to screw it up. Plus it’s neatly protected behind the keel. Now, that’s not the case on the newer twin rudder models. I wouldn’t take those on a long passage and feel secure. They’re both hanging out there screaming: hit me, hit me!
@@SailCloudyBay ..that is really good to hear re: the strength of your rudder - no wonder I can find no instance of rudder trouble for it. The dual rudder setup looks to be a potential problem. Will you guys ever make your way to the BC Inside Passage/Alaska route? Cloudy would sure look nice up there (summer only of course).
Great job Glenn! Can’t wait for part 2.
Coming next week.
Silly Question -- you say th/at you have a 10mm hole.. Can a drill bit that is also exactly 10mm fit into a 10mm hole, or must the drill bit be slightly smaller to fit? (I can't get my brain to picture them fitting if it is the same size)
Fitted perfectly. No need to drill the hole first.