The idea that Jack might have had a childhood which could make people sympathetic to him, but deliberately chooses not to acknowledge it, is an interesting interpretation. Usually a villain would leverage that to excuse their bad actions, but not in Jack's case. Instead of seeking sympathy, he seems to want to bury his past entirely, from changing his name from "Little Jack" to Big Jack, calling his child self a "pathetic buttered baker's boy" and going so far as to say that he's flat-out "dead".
Interesting. I all see is people saying that Jack is a refreshing villain specifically because he is down right evil with no motives behind his villany, in a time where every villain tries to be complex. What I found cool about your analysis is that, although it shows a more "simpathetic" past for Jack, it still fits with the core idea of him being unapologetically evil because it's his choice to not be seen as "tragic" or "justified" due to his massive ego
A villain who has a sympathetic backstory is overdone, but a villain who could have been sympathetic but deliberately chooses evil within his own agency is oddly more compelling.
You know what? I firmly agree with that. Some villains can be sympathetic if written well, but it has become overdone, and I want the “classically evil” villain to make a comeback, without any moral grayness.
Okay, this is the first time I ever heard someone talk about the nursery rhyme he was based on. And holy damn, the meaning behind it really reflects his personality. This movie is really like onions, so many layers.
Small Brain: Jack Horner is just evil and that's great. Big Brain: Jack Horner has a sympathetic background, but is still evil as that is his choice to be so, preferring that over any pitiful, humble or poor upbringing he began with. Galaxy Brain: Jack Horner is a study of rewriting one's own past and carrying forward a grudge in spite of growing far past it's sad origins. Making oneself out to be Bigger, Meaner, Better. And is nature is not a 'simple evil villain', but a 'complex simple evil villain'
Fun Fact: In the novelization of the film there was a scene where the Ethical Bug saw a vision of a world if Jack Horner won and saw Puss and Kitty as unsentient feral cats, mensing if Jack Horner won he would caused genocide to all talking animals and most likely all other magical beings
The novel also changed other scenes to make Jack more brutal, he burned some of his men alive due to them block his way when cutting down the flower field, he kept the ethical bug for much longer than in the film to torture him emotionally, and overall was a more serious villain, so novel Jack at least could be considered the most evil Shrek villain
@@gusteen3292 Is there any other details about the Character in the novel ? I'm asking cuz i don't want to pay anything, and i don't find any free reading and i'm also kinda writing a "character analysis" about what a person like Jack could become.
His flashback was just a quick snapshot of his big hangup, not necessarily a showing of his actual youth experience. That cart didn't have any baking supplies in it after all, so maybe they were just doing a marketing tour and were on the tail end of their stamina for it. Having to hear their sprog repeat the same few lines every other minute for fuck knows how long is going to drain anyone's enthusiasm. Besides, fairy tales aside, this is effectively a retrain of medieval Europe we're seeing; just having the money to advertise your own business in a cart is quite a lot of it, especially if the owners feel they can let their workers go without supervision for however long this excursion was.
Pretty good observation. I particularly like how you describe how Jack's hatred of fairy tale creatures is rooted in jealously. Maybe you could do Death the Wolf next?
I agree with most of this. But I think Jack knew he got what was coming to him when he was dying. His exact quote is "What did I do to deserve this? I mean what specifically?" Implying he wants to know which exact bad deed he did that was the one that did him in.
I'd prefare to think, that Jack WAS growing up in luxory. This way there's NOTHING to excuse his actions. I'd rather think, that flashback was showing his perspective of events.
Jack Horner's past was that he didn't get enough attention and wanted to be famous; however, he was unable to compete against fairy tales. He grew jealous of them. Even though he had a good childhood, wealth, a great upbringing and a mansion, but it wasn't enough for him. He wanted to go to the top. It shows that even if he had a great hand in life and a great childhood, great family, rich, great business, and a great mansion but he can end up being horrible and cruel when they grow up. Because he was driven out of petty and selfishness. He couldn't let go. He chose this path.
If he was a magic the gathering card he be center on black mana, if you don't know black mana is the type of magic that means victory at all cost even if that victory would cost you something dear, spell that kill, sacrifice and even exploit death are the most common tools and that ideology lines up well, Jack very much plays this out by stealing magic power items and exploiting his own henchmen with little remorse, this is all for the simple gasp of power but he maintained a sense of control over this, honestly he is the type that is evil that lines up similar to lord shen the lyrics difference is he had no redeeming qualities.
Honestly I felt bad for Big Jack Horner.💜💜💜💜 Honestly I blame his dead beat parents for his troubled life. I can definitely see how betrayed he felt. I could sense that when I saw the movie in the theater's.💜💜💜💜😪😪😪😪
I’ll fight you on that first comment on magic, he was not angry or hateful of magic. He was envious of much attention something magical could get specifically Pinocchio wanting to be a real boy but was a puppet; meanwhile he was already a real boy so shouldn’t the world be impressed by him? He was a born narcissist thus the lack of consciousness when the cricket showed up thinking only about how the cricket could serve him.
Can you please do Sergeant Waters from A Soldier's Story. He is one of the most complex and compelling villains, that I've ever seen on film. The actor was brilliant in that role, thanks.
Man first Tighten and now Big Jack Horner. Dreamworks seems to be on a whole level with writing villains. And I'm usually a love of Warner Bros. Content.
Great video. I have a top ten list of underrated and great villains. 1. Johnny Ringo from Tombstone 2. Eric Qualan from Cliffhanger 3. Nino Brown from New Jack City 4. Rico from Paid N Full 5. Bricktop from Snatch 6. Lil Z from City of God 7. Tupac from Juice 8. Shooter McGavin from Happy Gilmore 9. God from In Too Deep 10. Edward Norton from Primal Fear Can you do one on either one of these. These are my favorite villains from my favorite films, thanks. Great content by the way.
Lo que quiso decir en este video es que en la canción de jack horner: unto su pulgar en el pastel que representó egoísmo y avaricia y el hecho del que dijo "soy un chico bueno" es porque no mostró remordimiento de culpa.
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The idea that Jack might have had a childhood which could make people sympathetic to him, but deliberately chooses not to acknowledge it, is an interesting interpretation. Usually a villain would leverage that to excuse their bad actions, but not in Jack's case. Instead of seeking sympathy, he seems to want to bury his past entirely, from changing his name from "Little Jack" to Big Jack, calling his child self a "pathetic buttered baker's boy" and going so far as to say that he's flat-out "dead".
no just roll with the movie's mockery
Interesting. I all see is people saying that Jack is a refreshing villain specifically because he is down right evil with no motives behind his villany, in a time where every villain tries to be complex. What I found cool about your analysis is that, although it shows a more "simpathetic" past for Jack, it still fits with the core idea of him being unapologetically evil because it's his choice to not be seen as "tragic" or "justified" due to his massive ego
that's obviously not what the writers intended
A villain who has a sympathetic backstory is overdone, but a villain who could have been sympathetic but deliberately chooses evil within his own agency is oddly more compelling.
You know what? I firmly agree with that.
Some villains can be sympathetic if written well, but it has become overdone, and I want the “classically evil” villain to make a comeback, without any moral grayness.
Okay, this is the first time I ever heard someone talk about the nursery rhyme he was based on. And holy damn, the meaning behind it really reflects his personality. This movie is really like onions, so many layers.
I wonder why 🤔
It’s a Shreck spinoff so that’s kind of obvious
Small Brain: Jack Horner is just evil and that's great.
Big Brain: Jack Horner has a sympathetic background, but is still evil as that is his choice to be so, preferring that over any pitiful, humble or poor upbringing he began with.
Galaxy Brain: Jack Horner is a study of rewriting one's own past and carrying forward a grudge in spite of growing far past it's sad origins. Making oneself out to be Bigger, Meaner, Better. And is nature is not a 'simple evil villain', but a 'complex simple evil villain'
Jack Horner is the most cruel villain in Dreamwork.
If you don't count Lord Shen.
Titan? Farquaad? TAI LUNG???
@@sullivans2004 They are not that cruel compared to him, Shen is the most close to Jack.
@@sullivans2004
First Of All: Titan Was A Villain Because Of Megamind
Second: Jack Is More Evil
*Death is typing…*
I thought I was the only one who noticed Jack's denial of his past. Thank you for such a good analysis, and your channel definitely deserves more subs
Fun Fact: In the novelization of the film there was a scene where the Ethical Bug saw a vision of a world if Jack Horner won and saw Puss and Kitty as unsentient feral cats, mensing if Jack Horner won he would caused genocide to all talking animals and most likely all other magical beings
That's next level wicked, man.
The novel also changed other scenes to make Jack more brutal, he burned some of his men alive due to them block his way when cutting down the flower field, he kept the ethical bug for much longer than in the film to torture him emotionally, and overall was a more serious villain, so novel Jack at least could be considered the most evil Shrek villain
@@gusteen3292 Is there any other details about the Character in the novel ?
I'm asking cuz i don't want to pay anything, and i don't find any free reading and i'm also kinda writing a "character analysis" about what a person like Jack could become.
His flashback was just a quick snapshot of his big hangup, not necessarily a showing of his actual youth experience. That cart didn't have any baking supplies in it after all, so maybe they were just doing a marketing tour and were on the tail end of their stamina for it. Having to hear their sprog repeat the same few lines every other minute for fuck knows how long is going to drain anyone's enthusiasm. Besides, fairy tales aside, this is effectively a retrain of medieval Europe we're seeing; just having the money to advertise your own business in a cart is quite a lot of it, especially if the owners feel they can let their workers go without supervision for however long this excursion was.
Pretty good observation. I particularly like how you describe how Jack's hatred of fairy tale creatures is rooted in jealously. Maybe you could do Death the Wolf next?
He's death, not much to explain
Woo you where amazing here man I watch the movie but you deep dived so mutch deeper
Honestly big jack Horner is the character I most relate to after all, I would wish to become the master of magic😅😅
I agree with most of this. But I think Jack knew he got what was coming to him when he was dying. His exact quote is "What did I do to deserve this? I mean what specifically?" Implying he wants to know which exact bad deed he did that was the one that did him in.
Okay, to complement this video, the Mind of a Hero series needs an instalment for Perrito (aka "Chiquito", "Chomper", or "Geoff").
Thank you for the video!
I'd prefare to think, that Jack WAS growing up in luxory. This way there's NOTHING to excuse his actions. I'd rather think, that flashback was showing his perspective of events.
Jack Horner's past was that he didn't get enough attention and wanted to be famous; however, he was unable to compete against fairy tales. He grew jealous of them. Even though he had a good childhood, wealth, a great upbringing and a mansion, but it wasn't enough for him. He wanted to go to the top.
It shows that even if he had a great hand in life and a great childhood, great family, rich, great business, and a great mansion but he can end up being horrible and cruel when they grow up. Because he was driven out of petty and selfishness. He couldn't let go. He chose this path.
Never thought Jack Horner's lore could've been IRL accurate 😂🤣
Bruh I feel like an idiot. I thought he said his childhood was good because at the time you’d be lucky to have your own business
Jack may be shallow but his character is deep.
If he was a magic the gathering card he be center on black mana, if you don't know black mana is the type of magic that means victory at all cost even if that victory would cost you something dear, spell that kill, sacrifice and even exploit death are the most common tools and that ideology lines up well, Jack very much plays this out by stealing magic power items and exploiting his own henchmen with little remorse, this is all for the simple gasp of power but he maintained a sense of control over this, honestly he is the type that is evil that lines up similar to lord shen the lyrics difference is he had no redeeming qualities.
Honestly I felt bad for Big Jack Horner.💜💜💜💜 Honestly I blame his dead beat parents for his troubled life. I can definitely see how betrayed he felt. I could sense that when I saw the movie in the theater's.💜💜💜💜😪😪😪😪
Jack grew thanks to his plum diet
My boy was finally for justice
I always thought it was mix of growth spurge and body building that got him that stature but it is a fairytale story.
I’ll fight you on that first comment on magic, he was not angry or hateful of magic. He was envious of much attention something magical could get specifically Pinocchio wanting to be a real boy but was a puppet; meanwhile he was already a real boy so shouldn’t the world be impressed by him? He was a born narcissist thus the lack of consciousness when the cricket showed up thinking only about how the cricket could serve him.
Can you please do Sergeant Waters from
A Soldier's Story. He is one of the most complex and compelling villains, that I've ever seen on film. The actor was brilliant in that role, thanks.
6:38 Jack's death looks like Lord Piggot Dunceby's death from Missing Link
6:04
That's an alicorn, not a unicorn!
I love you so much. A lot of research and story analysis.
Man first Tighten and now Big Jack Horner. Dreamworks seems to be on a whole level with writing villains. And I'm usually a love of Warner Bros. Content.
Great video. I have a top ten list of underrated and great villains.
1. Johnny Ringo from Tombstone
2. Eric Qualan from Cliffhanger
3. Nino Brown from New Jack City
4. Rico from Paid N Full
5. Bricktop from Snatch
6. Lil Z from City of God
7. Tupac from Juice
8. Shooter McGavin from Happy Gilmore
9. God from In Too Deep
10. Edward Norton from Primal Fear
Can you do one on either one of these. These are my favorite villains from my favorite films, thanks. Great content by the way.
Jack Horner
Personality: Selfish, Greedy, Power-Hungry, Envious, Cruel, Heartless, Careless, Sadistic, Comedic, Playful, Level-Headed, Cunning, Ruthless, Evil, Dishonest, Murderous, Remorseless, Cold-Hearted, Chaotic, Destructive, Narcissistic, Brutal, Weird, Prideful, Unsympathetic.
Fun fact: a normal dozen is 12, a baker’s dozen is 13. 12 of the bakers die on the way to the star, and the last one dies AT the star. 13 total
wow i never knew about the origins of the nursery rhymn...
I no joke got an ad for the movie before the video started
good work on Big Jack hope you'll cover Jack Torrince of "The Shining"
He didn’t despise magic, he just got jealous and wanted it all for himself; to become the God of Magic!
Do lord farquaad or the fairy godmother form Shrek movie
Lo que quiso decir en este video es que en la canción de jack horner: unto su pulgar en el pastel que representó egoísmo y avaricia y el hecho del que dijo "soy un chico bueno" es porque no mostró remordimiento de culpa.
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The Max Zorin of animation.
Please do a ln the mind of a villain video Deus from Asura 's wrath
Do a video in the mind of a villain: Jenner from The Secret of NIMH.
Next up Is Shao Kahn (Mortal Kombat)
His character reminded me ALOT of Donald Trump that’s what I thought when I saw Jack Horner!!!
Oh Oh Oh for your next video do Jordan mahkent from DC stargirl
Can you make a video about Lalo Salmanca from better call saul
Great but now do death from the same movie
If I can make a suggestion negan from the walking dead
make a video on Fire Lord Ozai from Avatar the Last airbender and Lotor from Voltron.
Horrible. Monster
What took you so long?