The Real Life Story of Lord Ishido Explained | How Toranaga Killed Him?
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- This TH-cam video dives deeply into the real-life story of Lord Ishida, the inspiration for the character in the novel and miniseries "Shogun." It explores his rivalry with Toranaga, the historical figure behind the Tokugawa clan.
The video explains the events leading up to the pivotal Battle of Sekigahara, a clash that shaped Japanese history. You'll learn about Ishida's strategies and why some believe a different outcome was possible. The video also details Ishida's fate after the battle and how Toranaga was involved.
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0:00 Intro
0:29 Ishido's Background
1:07 The Power Vacuum
2:35 The Battle of Sekigahara
3:23 How Toranaga Killed Ishido?
4:12 Tokugawa Unification
4:38 Ishida Mitsunari's Impact
5:26 Outro - บันเทิง
ishido real hero in the story. and their allies are legendary. At the battle of Sekigahara, the shimazu clan was so feared that instead of surrendering, they attacked forward with the remaining soldiers and managed to kill a son and general of ieyasu.
Otani Yoshitsugu, a leper man that joined western army knowing full well that they couldn’t win, just because out of the entire Japan, only Mitsunari gave him respect and does not shun him for his leprosy.
Konishi Yukinaga, a christian of merchant descent, the lowest of lowest in sengoku pecking order, gave his life to repay Mitsunari’s respect of his belief.
Shima Sakon AKA “the oni”, charged straight into the enemy and die fighting, he could’ve escape or surrender, but he prefer Mitsunari’s friendship than Ieyasu’s forgiveness.
Gamō Yorisato Charged into massive easter army’s force even after Sakon was killed, and push them back again and again until been overwhelmed.
Haratsuka Tamehiro, hold 10,000+ of eastern army’s forces at bay with 360 men.
Takashi Yutaka, gave his life carried Otani’s head away from the battlefied, just so that his lord’s leper stricken face won’t be laughed at.
Ishido was a brilliant general but sloppy politician. and that was his downfall.
@@haroldcruz8550 ishido was winning the war, the army and resources were greater than the tokugawa forces, but it was lost due to betrayal If 15,000 soldiers had not attacked the allied lines from the hilltop, the tokugawa shogunate would never have existed
I'm surprised that there are still old-fashioned Westerners who still misunderstand that Japan's modernization began with the Meiji Restoration.
Even during the period of nation's isolation, the Edo shogunate was enough sensitive to overseas situations, and at the time of Perry's visit, it had already begun seeking support for modernization from multiple European countries.
The latest research has revealed that the success of the Meiji Restoration in Satsuma and Choshu was due to British strategy. But even if Satsuma and Choshu had been defeated, Japan was forced to modernize.
Mitsunari's treatment after capture and torture illustrates why samurai lords committed sepuku rather than being captured.
Did you know in real life he got captured then beheaded after the battle
@@michaelclark4062didn't ieyasu paraded mitsunari around osaka first before executing him?
@@swagdaddy8298 The accounts are multiple. It's either he got beheaded in Kyoto or Tokugawa kept him as a hostage against Western Lords. Who knows what happened
@@JABelms 石田光成は山中に潜んでいたところを捕縛され、小西行長、安国寺恵瓊とともに京中引き回しの後に斬首、三条河原にて晒し首になりました。捕縛された後に語った言葉なども残っている史実です。複数の説があるとはどういうことでしょうか？どこで聞いたのですか？ そもそも秀頼に対する謀反人の挙兵を止めたという大義を盾に勝利した徳川家が、今更いち官僚に過ぎない三成を人質にして誰と何を交渉するのですか？「三成を殺してほしくなくば…」などという交渉は、相手が誰であれ当時の政治状況をどう考慮しても意味がありませんし、そんなせこいことをしている暇は家康にはありません。ほぼ天下人となっていた家康と、あくまで「西軍をまとめようとしてしくじった役人に過ぎない三成」にはそれほどの実力と存在感の差があったのです。面と向かって逆らった毛利輝元を始めとする大名は大幅な減石となった他、論功行賞で敵対勢力をことごとく弱体化させた家康が、わざわざ三成を捕縛して人質にするなどという手間をかけるわけがないのです。もう少し日本語で日本史を勉強されてはいかが？
@@JABelms we do know what happened it’s in every Japanese History book . As stated he was captured after a peasant gave him up . On the way to his execution he was paraded around Osaka than beheaded .
Seppuku was not as common as films and dramas depict, most lords escaped . If they were captured they were not tortured . They were actually treated well and with respect as befits their rank . Mitsunari upset many of the lords during the Imjin war by basically reporting them to Hideyoshi for every mistake or failure . By the time of Sekigahara most of the warriors hated him .
Many Samurai Daimyo if captured were offered the opportunity to change sides which more than a few did . Those who didn’t were usually exiled and lost their title and lands and or were forced to shave their heads and become a monk giving up all worldly possessions .
Ieyasu had saved Mitsunari ‘s life and made him become a monk, he did not punish his family . Mitsunari broke his word and left the monastery and raised an army . He also took the Daimyo’s wives hostage which resulted in the death of Gracia Hosokawa . The last straw was Tori Mototada who was one of Ieyasu ‘s generals . He held off Mitsunari’s army with 1800 men at Fushimi Castle while Ieyasu escaped and raised his army . Mototada held out for several days before they were overrun . These are the main reasons he was executed and even after that Ieyasu spared his wife and children after they took holy orders .
Fun fact: The young Hiroyuki Sanada once played Ishida Mitsunari character in 90's Taiga Drama, Hideyoshi. He was portrayed as an ambitious guy in that TV series who will do all dirty works for Hideyoshi (Taiko) and had a thing for Chacha (Ochiba).
Ishida Mitsunari's punishment should have been "beheading.'' This is because Tokugawa Ieyasu had not yet become a shogun in 1600 (he became a shogun in 1603) and was in the position of a vassal of the Toyotomi family. In other words, since the highest ranking vassal punishes the same vassal, it cannot be a special heavy punishment. If he did that, he would have aggravated the resentment of the people who were Ishida's territory, and some of the feudal lords who had sided with him would have secretly sympathized with Ishida, it will have a negative impact on his assumption of ruling power.
If the drama were created from Mitsunari Ishida's point of view based on historical facts, it would end up being as emotional as SHOGUN, albeit a sad one.
There is a line in the play in which he looks down on farmers, but Taiko Hideyoshi, whom he served, and Mitsunari himself were also farmers.
His episodes with Yoshitsugu Otani and Sakon Shima give us a glimpse of his sincere humanity.
Excellent video 🙏
cool video. what software do you use for the english voiceover?
I want to see the Sengoku period in Japan, where the novel “Shogun” ends.
The epic scale Battle of Sekigahara was fought between 70,000 Toranaga (Tokugawa Ieyasu) army and 80,000 Ishido army (Ishida Mitsunari), totaling 150,000 samurai.
The battle between Ochiba no Kata, his son, and Toranaga's ``Winter Siege'' and ``Summer Siege'' takes place at Osaka Castle during the internal conflict that occurs after Toranaga unifies the country.
Japanese history is interesting from where the Shogun's novel ends.
They should definitely make a season 2.
TBH the real history during this era is 100 times more interesting than what is written in the novel. The conflicts after the death of Taiko is actually more complex and intriguing but the novel simplified it by making Ishido the bad guy....lol
If you're into politics I recommend a Taiga Drama, Aoi Tokugawa Sandai. Very comprehensive retelling on the events leading to Sekigahara Battle....and it has a much more clever but cunning Tokugawa.
Good job. Love the series
Ishida was one of the most complicated characters in history. He alone was trying to defy the law of rule-by-might. A Flavius Aetius of Japan.
- He almost certainly tried to oust Tokugawa out of loyalty to Taigo, who was like a father to him. I.e., his motive was not to gain power for himself. In this regard, his portrayal in the show was very unfair.
- However, he was liked by few and strongly hated by many.
- Would he become the dictator that always happened in history? We would never know. The best guess is that the country would be plunged into prolonged chaos and wars had the West Army won. Ishida simply did not have the strength to unify the country.
In other words, there was basically no chance for Ishida to become the dictator/absolute leader that Tokugawa did.
Imagine how much more interesting Shogun would've been if they went into Ishida's motives and his loyalty to to the Taiko, instead of making him a standard bad guy you would see in any other show.
He is hero of tragedy. The problem with Toyotomi is the family doesn't have hereditary vassals like a normal samurai family. They were relying and forcing outside daimyos to become their vassals. And Ishida never good at being friendly with people and during Hideyoshi later years many loyal daimyos have change of heart due to the unfriendliness of Ishida,
Some of this blends Shogun events with real historical events, presumably accidentally, but it's mostly good.
You need to check your pronunciation of Japanese names. And you need to check your grammar usage, specifically sentence structure. Otherwise, good stuff. I really enjoyed it.
I thought Mitsunari was beheaded…
What media did you watch it?
You tought right.
色々と勘違いなさっているようですね。かなり間違いが多いです。史実ではこうだった、と安易に解説する前に、関ヶ原に至る以前、秀吉が全国を統一するまでの経緯や、その後豊臣政権における各武将の動き、秀吉死後の五奉行、五大老のそれぞれの立場や力関係について、もっと詳しく調べるべきだと思います。あえて日本語で書かせていただきました。Use Google translation to read it in English.
Yes! This video even mistakenly use the wrong fictional facts from TV series Shogun as the factual facts. For example Yodo-dono did not withdraw support from Ishida and even that support was not the turning point that leads to the winning or losing of Ishida's West Army. Like you said it must be looked way before the passing of Hideyoshi to really understand the dynamic of politics.
I’m so hurt Hanzo Hattori is already retired at this point he would have been an amazing addition to this cast
Lord Ishido is real hero in this saga
ishida was actually loyal to heir, toranaga kills the lady ochiba and heir (through seppuku)
Say it ain't so. How do you know this?
@@joelovitt2900 We really don't know what Ishida would have done. It was normal at the time to pretend to be loyal to the young heir, then Kill him. In fact, Taigo (Toyotomi) did exactly the same to gain power. Tokugawa certainly did (or will do per this timeline). The heir was actually Tokugawa's grandson-in-law. BTW, Tokugawa was very kind by the standard of that time.
Tokugawa also executed the heir's 8 year-old son. That would be his own great-grandson. He also forced the 7 YO daughter into temple. That would be his great granddaughter. Again, I cannot emphasize enough, that Tokugawa was a kind ruler for the time.
@@joelovitt2900Ochiba is daughtee of oda nobunaga, qhixh then have child with hideyoshi, hideyoshi died and ishida took control. Sekigahara happened, tokugawa won. 1615 happened osaka happened. Ochiba and son killed.
@@ghostttriddder Hang on, I thought Ochiba (Lady Chacha) was the daughter of Oichi and Azai? Oichi is Nobunaga's sister.
@@12jygga well this show is historical fiction and they all changed the historical character names but it is still them. Hint, akechi was mentioned and said he killed ochiba father which is nobunaga and ochiba is nobunaga daughter
Tokugawa was not the architect of modern Japan. The Emperor Meiji was. He over-threw the Tokugawa Shogunate, which refused to modernize.
I would say he created the foundation of which a "modern" Japan could be build on by actually forming a "true" nation which created a Japanese identity rather than just the Daimyōs and clans with their shifting alliance and conflicts. It is not unlike how the German Empire was formed by Bismarck from the various kingdoms and states under Prußian leadership as they rallied together to fight against France in a conflict which Bismack actually provoked to achieve this unity.
Meiji did not overthrow the Tokugawa Shogunate. It was Daimyo's from Southern Japan (Satsuma, Choshu, Tosa and other domains that overthrew the Tokugawa) but fought under the imperial banner. Without Sakamoto Ryoma who forged the alliance with Satsuma and Choshu (as they were sworn enemies) none of this would've happened
Tokugawa made Japanese society and even Japanese themselves into what they are today. In fact, one can even say Japan is a reflection of Tokugawa himself: reserved, orderly, and disassociation of the outter and inner self.
Edo (Tokyo), where the shogun lived, was a more modern place than Kyoto, where the emperor lived at the time. and meiji was 15 years old when the Tokugawa shogunate fell. The Emperor almost never left his palace in Kyoto. He proved to be an indifferent student, and later in life wrote poems regretting that he had not practiced writing more. Why he could become a modern Japanese architect, it really doesn't make sense.
@@moozillamoo2109
貴方は、非常によく理解されています。驚きました。貴方のいう通りです。現代の日本人の文化や精神性の原点は、江戸時代にあります。
Why in serie the name of Tokugawa is toronaga
I'm more curious how Toranaga dealt with that treacherous half brother
There's limited information available about Lord Toranaga's half-brother in both James Clavell's "Shogun" and historical records.
@@Cine_Insiderhe meant toranaga's
Yeah sorry I meant Toranaga too, it was just a writing mistake
@@Cine_InsiderToronaga offered him Lady Ochiba if he was to betray Ishido. It isn’t actually confirmed whether this was excepted by Zataki or not.
Peasant flew to close to the sun 🤷🏽
For a society which despised torture and deemed it a benheat of Samurai honor, only to be performed on their orders by the dregs of society they were way too good at it... nothing would had convinced me to not kill myself on the event of inminent capture by a group of those jerks.
Buried in the ground with people sawing on Ishidos neck for 3 days.
Fun Fact , the battle of sakigahara introduced 16 year old Miyamoto Musashi to real samurai warfare
There's no historical basis for this, it's simply a popular supposition.
Probably... Talked him into killing himself....
Toronaga... MASTER manipulator!!!
I was expecting there would be white walkers after he become shogun
Usami Fuji found the egg of dragon
I know most of my known one are fans of samuria warriors game.
I read many of the comments posted about this: should've, could've, would've...who cares? Sekigahara was fought and won by Tokugawa and his clan ruled Japan as Shogun for over 250 years so get over it already.
Too bad more wasn't seen of the real leper lord Yoshitsugu Ōtani, seen in the 2024 Shogun as Lord Ōhno. A lost dramatic element. Yoshitsugu was a faithful colleague of Ishida.
ハンセン病患者であった大谷は、石田三成とのお茶会で、失態をしました。
大谷の膿が漏れ出て茶に入ってしまったのです。石田三成は、その膿の入った茶を躊躇なく飲み干しました。
大谷が、石田三成に忠誠を誓った瞬間でした。
They ruined his character in the show. He was not only made into a complete idiot, but one whose motives aren't even interesting. Would've been a goated character if they actually cared about his character as opposed to making him a standard bad guy for the main character to overcome.
Ishido may not been as cunning as Toranaga but by no means he was portrayed as a idiot in the series. You may feel like that by his interactions with ochiba but thats just his one weakness i would say
Agreed 💯
@@banny8552 They wanted to have it both ways. They wanted to build up Ochiba as the main threat, but at the same time wanted us to feel bad for her situation. Which is fine but if you're sacrificing Ishido to build Ochiba up, the pay off better be worth it, which it wasn't. Ochiba effectively signed up for her son to get usurped and later killed by Toranaga.
I watched the original 'Shogun' mini series and while I favour that one over the new series, in the original Ishido was portrayed as a basic thug, like a high ranking Yakuza. Nothing about his strategic brilliance and his loyalty to Hideoshi's heir.
@@vayne-he9yiI only felt bad for Ishido because Hideyoshi put him in a crappy position. Being pitted against a veteran of Sengoku Jidai (Toronaga) is a little bit unfair. I didn't see Ishido as an idiot, I saw him as a man who is trying to hold everything together as he seems to be more loyal to the Toyotomi family than the rest of the regents.
So there was a conspiracy theory that Ishida was still alive, just like we have today with people like Elvis and JFK etc. Humans never change.
More like a wish of some people lol
Because the ending sucked!!!
The ending was the best. Leaving fans to their imagination 😊
he was Beheaded
Ishida overall was politician fanatic towads hideyosho but his losses in korean war he blamed kuroda family whose patriach unified japan under hideyoshi and ishida was a fool towards to end his hailures led him to blame everyone else which in east vs west sekighara drove 90% of toyotomi loyalist side with Ieyassu tokugawa. heck kuroda gamilies heir and their former head hideyoshi toyotomis main strategist cruhes all toyotomi loyalist in kyushe besides shimazu which were ishide forces base around 40%
Spoiler title regardless that its history, maybe folks dont want to know whats going to potentially happen in the future of the show if there is a season 2. Dislike
Everyone that watches Shogun know very well that it's a miniseries and there won't be a season 2
@@Cine_Insider What may have once been may not always be :) I will take back my dislike as you didnt clap back with negativity.
Thank you. But let me explain the problem with your statement, "the death of Ishido already happened in the last episode of Shogun when Toranaga won the battle of Sekigahara, they just rushed it and skipped it."
They can also NOT watch this video. SMH.
@@d05wtt It was regarding the Title, Facepalm.
The architect of modern Japan?????? What kind of drugs are you on?
If the events that unfolded at Osaka Castle were true, then NOTHING about Ishida was Honorable.
Rise of kingdoms
Disgusting
After the series i think ishido is the good guy
Can't pronounce yhe the names right lmao
Yes, AI voices aren’t faultless yet
WE WANTED TO SEE BATTLE SCENES,NOT LOVE AFFAIRS??!!!!!
Is this video a spoof? It's just as ridiculous as the show.
Never shown in the show so it didn't happen in the show. Toranaga didn't even win the battle in the show. It is only ASSUMED he will win. Maybe Ishido escaped.
According to James Clavell's book, Toranaga executes Ishido by burying him up to his neck and leaving him to die of exposure.
@@Cine_Insider Yes by the book, not this show.
Kindly read the title of the video and the thumbnail
@@Cine_Insider Kindly read my comment. I am talking about the show.
If you want to talk about something else, make your own comment thread.
Yes youre right we never see the battle but it does mention Ishido not having a legal banner on the battlefield ince Ochiba avandons him and since Toranaga freed the hostages it is assumed theyll side with him at the battle since Ishido is not fighting for the heir. They shiuldve included the epilogue that tells Toranaga winning and being invited by the emperor to be Shogun
The architect of modern Japan is general MacArthur. That’s why modern Japan is such a wonderful place, having nothing in common with the sh#%hole it used to be before the ww2
THE REMAKE WAS TOTAL POOP,😂😂😂😂,IT DOULD HAVE BEEN SOMGOOD BUT THEY DID A WOKE VERSION AND LEFT OUT REALHISTORY THAT COULD HAVE BEEN DONE ANDD EVEM MORE TOMIT.
Ishida Mitsunari was beheaded in Kyoto after the torture.