Thanks for this, Nuclear Vault! As we're home to USS Little Rock, sister ship to USS Oklahoma City and other CLG's, this is great! Our channel just completed a three part series on our Missile House. One of our subscribers turned me on to this video and now I'm thinking of doing a "comparison" video with this video and our spaces!
@@BuffaloNavalPark yeah the dedication and knowledge that you guys put forward to keep the history alive for little to no pay always amazes me. I bet you get to meet people everyday whose relative served on those ships and how seeing them in real life affects them.
@@jiveturkey9993 Very true! We do the work for the legacy of the ships and the sailors. When graduating with my Archival degree, I knew I'd never become wealthy, but I've always lived in the non-profit world...and building the connections with old salts and their families are just as important. Nothing's more fabulous than having an old salt come aboard his ship for the first time in a long time! 😀
All I can say after watching this is thank God for VLS.. now everything is fired directly from the magazine without all the expensive and fragile rube Goldberg missile handling equipment. Still a cool system tho.
The electronics on these missiles was fairly fragile and the crew would need to be able to access the missiles for routine maintenance. That made a modern-style VLS impractical, sadly.
After reading some of the previous comments I felt nostalgic for my days in the Little Rock and Oklahoma City. The US truly lost one of its best surface-to-air missile systems ever built. They were given up in the SALT agreement with the Soviet Union because of their Nuclear capability and the country had to play by the rules. I heard through the missile house communication network that the Long Beach had a Talos skin-to-skin contact with a Mig at 107 miles, but you never know. Once the small group of Talos cruisers were converted or retired. I lost my job and went on to become an airdale ATC.
And up until the end of the first decade of this century, the complete Talos was used as target drones with the designation MQM-8G "Vandal". Until the inventory was depleted.
Nuclear surface-to-anything beam rider. With the curvature of the Earth giving you a limited horizon on the ocean, I wouldn't be surprised if these could command detonate over the horizon to airburst above an enemy battlegroup. Command detonation at range was surely to be used against airborne targets like bomber formations.
We had talos missiles on the USS LONG BEACH, CGN-9, the old Navy, before women on combat ships, political correctness and drug tests, me US Army 74/77, US Navy 77/94, what an adventure !!!!!
@@steveturner3999 AND 2 5" Guns, and Torpedos, Phalanx/CIWS, small arms, etc. Talos missile system and areas were ripped out in 81-83, and left so much extra space, we got crew related spaces, like the Chapel, a bigger ships store, a gym, a game room, and I think a bigger barber shop? It was nice! :)
@@steveturner3999 Only Navy service, Boatswain's Mate, 10 years active on 3 warships, no shore duty (Broken service, did 4, got out, went back in almost 2 years later, for 1 4 year and 1 2 year (6 more total)! :)
It seems these were effective against Viet Kong SAM. What was the justification for not using them? Enemy tactics not keeping their targeting radar lit?
The missiles were gigantic and impractical to use, not to mention the loading systems were complicated and had many moving parts. Even if they weren't expensive, which they necessarily were, they're also the size of a fighter jet, which would make evading enemy fire somewhat of a problem.
@@AlphaNumericKey Bud if they could be used they will be used Case and point they were used to knock down a couple of migs over north vietnam as well as a specific SAM Hunting variants was used as well
Do they seriously just wedge the fins into the side? Goddamn that looks like a bad idea. I hope that's a training model and the real one has retention pins or something.
I've never understood why the US didn't continue Ramjet missile technology. The radar evading low level flight and range advantage can be up to 5 times that of a standard rocket engine.
They were closer to launching an aircraft than just firing a missile. They had to be fueled and prepped for launch. Major hassle. They were designed and fielded at the time when air-breathing strategic missiles were in first line service. The missile was capable and did linger in service for some time. The thing was big and needed a big ship to carry it. It largely disappeared as the WW2 conversions were decommissioned and the ships deemed fit for refit were converted to the appropriate standard missile variants.
Thanks for this, Nuclear Vault! As we're home to USS Little Rock, sister ship to USS Oklahoma City and other CLG's, this is great! Our channel just completed a three part series on our Missile House. One of our subscribers turned me on to this video and now I'm thinking of doing a "comparison" video with this video and our spaces!
Thank you guys for doing what you do.
@@jiveturkey9993 Thanks Bill, we do our best to preserve and tell the stories of USS Little Rock, USS The Sullivans, and USS Croaker!
@@BuffaloNavalPark yeah the dedication and knowledge that you guys put forward to keep the history alive for little to no pay always amazes me.
I bet you get to meet people everyday whose relative served on those ships and how seeing them in real life affects them.
@@jiveturkey9993 Very true! We do the work for the legacy of the ships and the sailors. When graduating with my Archival degree, I knew I'd never become wealthy, but I've always lived in the non-profit world...and building the connections with old salts and their families are just as important. Nothing's more fabulous than having an old salt come aboard his ship for the first time in a long time! 😀
Would love to see it!
I love seeing nuclear vault youtube account has added a new video. It's been a long time since the last one. Keep up working :)
All I can say after watching this is thank God for VLS.. now everything is fired directly from the magazine without all the expensive and fragile rube Goldberg missile handling equipment. Still a cool system tho.
The electronics on these missiles was fairly fragile and the crew would need to be able to access the missiles for routine maintenance. That made a modern-style VLS impractical, sadly.
Exactly what I thought
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After reading some of the previous comments I felt nostalgic for my days in the Little Rock and Oklahoma City. The US truly lost one of its best surface-to-air missile systems ever built. They were given up in the SALT agreement with the Soviet Union because of their Nuclear capability and the country had to play by the rules. I heard through the missile house communication network that the Long Beach had a Talos skin-to-skin contact with a Mig at 107 miles, but you never know. Once the small group of Talos cruisers were converted or retired. I lost my job and went on to become an airdale ATC.
The booster of this missile is still in use (as of 2022) as first stages of sounding rockets.
And up until the end of the first decade of this century, the complete Talos was used as target drones with the designation MQM-8G "Vandal". Until the inventory was depleted.
Fascinating. Figured they’d have been de-militarized and scrapped.
Its amazing this system went into service so quickly, now TOMAHAWK...easier...but not easy to load
Reed Hadley's voice is amazing
He sounds so confident and hopeful about the joyous use of Talos “and its Nuclear Warhead”.
@@BusbobDavesure sounds like Ray Walston to me…
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I remember these from my time on the Little Rock. They were huge, especially compared to today's SAMs
Nuclear surface-to-anything beam rider. With the curvature of the Earth giving you a limited horizon on the ocean, I wouldn't be surprised if these could command detonate over the horizon to airburst above an enemy battlegroup. Command detonation at range was surely to be used against airborne targets like bomber formations.
Old school sailors working in Undress Blues!
Great find!
Remember. Talos worship is banned.
I have seen these on Amazon, but its "OUT OF STOCK" currently
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all that money and technology to blow something up.....awesome.
We had talos missiles on the USS LONG BEACH, CGN-9, the old Navy, before women on combat ships, political correctness and drug tests, me US Army 74/77, US Navy 77/94, what an adventure !!!!!
You had all missile armament on the Nuclear powered Long Beach didn’t you?
@@steveturner3999 AND 2 5" Guns, and Torpedos, Phalanx/CIWS, small arms, etc.
Talos missile system and areas were ripped out in 81-83, and left so much extra space, we got crew related spaces, like the Chapel, a bigger ships store, a gym, a game room, and I think a bigger barber shop? It was nice! :)
Thank you for the info and above all Thank You for your Service! ARMY & Navy!
@@steveturner3999 Only Navy service, Boatswain's Mate, 10 years active on 3 warships, no shore duty (Broken service, did 4, got out, went back in almost 2 years later, for 1 4 year and 1 2 year (6 more total)! :)
@@SoapinTrucker Sorry that was Jose O the original poster who did both. Got confused there. Thank you Both for your service.
Talos was beast, took a MiG taking off at 60 miles I think?
65 miles, and it caught a 2nd MiG in the debris too, making it a two-for.
Did anyone else notice how really similar it is to a modern Indian-Russia made Brahmos missile? I guess math is universal...
I'm very interested in Brahmos guidance system... Is it heat seeking or point-and-shoot?
It seems these were effective against Viet Kong SAM. What was the justification for not using them? Enemy tactics not keeping their targeting radar lit?
The missiles were gigantic and impractical to use, not to mention the loading systems were complicated and had many moving parts. Even if they weren't expensive, which they necessarily were, they're also the size of a fighter jet, which would make evading enemy fire somewhat of a problem.
Only a very specific variant had the SAM homing capability
@@AlphaNumericKey Bud if they could be used they will be used
Case and point they were used to knock down a couple of migs over north vietnam as well as a specific SAM Hunting variants was used as well
I pray to Talos. Punish me if you must!!
Do they seriously just wedge the fins into the side? Goddamn that looks like a bad idea. I hope that's a training model and the real one has retention pins or something.
Likely some sort of locking mechanisms that locks the shaft down into the receptacle.
Also that arming plug. He seemed to just seat it snuggly. And then it flies 30 miles just under friction pressure?
They used Ball detent locking rings if I’m not mistaken. Very simple, very effective.
0:49 Imagine having an atomic bomb just hanging out on that turret, in full view, and rotating around like crazy, yikes
I've never understood why the US didn't continue Ramjet missile technology. The radar evading low level flight and range advantage can be up to 5 times that of a standard rocket engine.
Apparently Talos was horribly unreliable, I guess they decided that simplicity was desirable and solid rockets are about as simple as you can get.
@@Akm72 yep. You're right on that one.
They were closer to launching an aircraft than just firing a missile. They had to be fueled and prepped for launch. Major hassle. They were designed and fielded at the time when air-breathing strategic missiles were in first line service. The missile was capable and did linger in service for some time. The thing was big and needed a big ship to carry it. It largely disappeared as the WW2 conversions were decommissioned and the ships deemed fit for refit were converted to the appropriate standard missile variants.
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