The audio is lower than usual on this video to help mitigate the wind noise - It was blowing a gale and wild out there! Hopefully you still enjoy the video. 👍
First time I've seen these without any yellow on them and they look totally different and actually quite modern looking! Nice to see them still being used instead of scrapped.
I assume the MU sets were unbraked hence the extra flat wagons with concrete blocks on them - to provide braking force.(Hence what appears to be a brake hose going in the driver's door window of the MU set).
I am certain I saw 4-6 sets of these exact same metro trains sitting on a rail siding near the train station of my village of Arbon in NE Switzerland, when I visited family there last weekend for Easter. That's just @5 km from the Stadler plant, one of the facilities where they assemble the trains. Pretty common sight over the years in Arbon, so I didn't take any snaps but I wondered where they were going because I drove by them all weekend. Now I know...Merseyrail! They never put the metro / rail operator titles and logos when they are hauled away. Guess for security reasons? I notice this vid is almost a month old because I saw them just this past weekend, but maybe the Merseyrail is buying a lot of these...what a coincidence I should stumble upon this vid. Thanks!
OH wow fantastic footage great to see the HST'S knocking about doing their stuff love the rail adventure livery almost got bowled out by the double 90s but nice one mate
The hazards of filming from platform 1! My favourite spot too.😀. Great video though, one move not too be missed, I saw it at Hartford ( close call with a pendo😬
In previous videos of the Class 43 power cars working back to back as a twin unit loco, the trains were topped and tailed. The trailing loco(s) was idling. On this occasion, the double double (quadruple) headed locos were both working. I would suspect this would be due not only to the weight of the train, but also due to the length - on releasing the brakes after slowing down, I suspect a train of that length could give a single pair a good shove up the backside.
I think Rail Adventure have either been very clever finding all 8 Class 43s with the Buffer Beams fitted or the have had some standard ones converted. Smart colour scheme as well. Nice catch .. 👍👍
Seems a very odd uses of the HST's when everyone has come so use to seeing them on passenger traffic... still good to see them been used instead of getting scrapped, shows they are still a very usable engine...
It surprises me somewhat that the HST locomotive frames are strong enough to be used that way, given that they were designed to push-pull a limited number of Mark 3 carriages. Stronger frames means more weight, and therefore more fuel consumption.
Great to see the 125's 'reborn' as it were. What I want to know is what on earth is a 'c2c' liveried train (@4:05) doing at Stafford??!! I thought the station sign said 'Stratford' at first! I had to look again. Did it take a wrong turn at Basildon?!!
@@alexlangford6291 ....ok, so it's on a 'test run' before being put in actual service? ....but can't they use one of the dedicated 'test tracks' that exist, and which aren't part of the regular network so to speak? ...like Dalby? What happens if this train breaks down on a test run? ....it would block the track it's running on, and lead to delays for subsequent trains using that particular track.
@@robtyman4281 mileage accumulation run, it takes less time running between Crewe and Wembley to get 2,200 fault free miles at 100mph where a test track is too short to maintain that speed.
RailAdventure still trying to find the best formation for the job. Do these HSTs pull through the channel tunnel or is part of the journey from the builder pulled by a electric or both?
Everything through the chunnel is electric using dedicated shuttle locos. So I would presume it’s the standard chunnel locos that pull the trains through
Why all the barrier waggons? Is it becuase the breaks of the multiple units aren't functioning whil they're being towed, so the breaking force of the waggons is needed?
so weird to see an HST without the yellow on the front. someone please correct me if i'm wrong but isn't there a rule that they have to have yellow on them for visibility reasons?
good to see the class 43 s still in use. But RailAdv livery is pretty dire, over here in Germany they have a class 103 electric in those same colours which looks bloody awful
That has got to be one of the weirdest looking trains I've seen. My brain wants to shunt it into a "tidier" lay out (top/tail the HST), is wondering if there's any humans in the DMUs, and generally is very confused
@@steveluckhurst2350 I’m guessing the op was thinking about the fuel consumption of the 4 x 2250bhp power car engines, assuming all were running of course?
Great shots there,well done. Makes me feel very old when l can remember HST,s in their original livery!! Wonder if they still use the XPT in Australia?
No, there is no way to power the rear two as you would need a nose end 36 way jumper. Power cars were never fitted with this. They have all 4 running to keep the compressors on! Would be easier for one class 66 to do it, but where's the fun in that?!
@@daveawhittle And actual braking, the units are probably electric brake control which standard locomotives are not equipped to work. If you look when the train pulls in, between the first unit and the cargo wagon, you can see a temporary brake pipe taped to the cab front leading into the cab window. This would run through the unit out the other end to the next set of vehicles and so on down the train to provide a continuous brake pipe. The units themselves would be swingers ( un braked )
I don't really understand the logic of this. can it really be economical to use hst power cars like this? I suppose it must be if railadventure are doing it but just strange.
It's easy to understand. The class 43s are otherwise redundant so Rail Adventure would have bought them for the fraction of the price of buying or leasing used, but still in demand class 66s, or new 68s or their equivalent. It's not like they need the ability to haul 3,000 tons doing stock movements. Also the 43s can be run as a pair with one engine shut down to save fuel when not required, plus there's built in redundancy should one 43 in a leading pair fail.
Rail Adventure will have signed a contract to complete these moves knowing what the revenue stream would be, combined with cost analysis plus contingencies. The business must be viable otherwise they would not have agreed to the work. Simple rules of business trading to make a profit.
They're no longer required for passenger use, they've been replaced by new rolling stock. Presumably it's cost effective to repurpose them in this way, or they wouldn't do it.
@@cwt5654 A lot of horsepower but they are geared higher. Back in their day it was 2 HST's with 8 cars in between. Alot more carriage weight on this today. yup they needed 4 of them.
They are now lower geared and used in pairs to create a 4500hp locomotive - more power than a class 66 and perhaps lower maintenance and fuel consumption due to the relatively new MTU engines that have been installed
No. Grey is a good colour if you want to stand out for your work and not for your appearance. In addition, the colour of the RA trains takes a back seat to those of the transported trains, so the clients can shine......
Quite interesting how they put cars between all the emu's rather then have them all together and cars on either end Update i just got to the part where those 2 at the back are connected but i wonder why the first one is separate
Don't exaggerate. The two pairs being towed are glorified brake vans, so to speak. You may also have noticed that despite its length, the train carries very few actual brake wagons (the flat wagons with the weights).
Hi Richard, this video was posted a couple of hours after it happened. You’ve likely seen a different move as these power cars have operated weekly (on different moves) for a while now 👍
The audio is lower than usual on this video to help mitigate the wind noise - It was blowing a gale and wild out there! Hopefully you still enjoy the video. 👍
May I ask..what best stations or locations (like over head bridges etc) are around london to spot trains? Thanks! 😊
First time I've seen these without any yellow on them and they look totally different and actually quite modern looking! Nice to see them still being used instead of scrapped.
Great to see these HSTs are getting work, excellent footage pal.
Thanks - Certainly beats them being sent to Newport. 👍
Glad to ses the HSTs in action still!
Are they still HSTs or are they just class 43s?
@@steveluckhurst2350 Class 43 diesels in this configuration I'd think. Nothing High Speed about that train.
@@sithlordofoz Yep, that's what I thought. "HST power cars" would be better.
@Lewis deffo not a nickname!
@@sithlordofoz low speed train?
Nice one.
Love the class 43’s being used as locos
I assume the MU sets were unbraked hence the extra flat wagons with concrete blocks on them - to provide braking force.(Hence what appears to be a brake hose going in the driver's door window of the MU set).
Nice buffer 43s
What a lash up! Great catch.
I am certain I saw 4-6 sets of these exact same metro trains sitting on a rail siding near the train station of my village of Arbon in NE Switzerland, when I visited family there last weekend for Easter. That's just @5 km from the Stadler plant, one of the facilities where they assemble the trains. Pretty common sight over the years in Arbon, so I didn't take any snaps but I wondered where they were going because I drove by them all weekend. Now I know...Merseyrail! They never put the metro / rail operator titles and logos when they are hauled away. Guess for security reasons? I notice this vid is almost a month old because I saw them just this past weekend, but maybe the Merseyrail is buying a lot of these...what a coincidence I should stumble upon this vid. Thanks!
OH wow fantastic footage great to see the HST'S knocking about doing their stuff love the rail adventure livery almost got bowled out by the double 90s but nice one mate
Nice capture.. Cheers
Looks very odd, 4 HSTs in railadventure, pulling wagons and a class 777. Nice video
Amazing! Awesome capture 💯💯💯
This is akin to the A4s pulling fright during the war
Hi very good camera work as usual cracking video well done bye for now Philip
The hazards of filming from platform 1! My favourite spot too.😀. Great video though, one move not too be missed, I saw it at Hartford ( close call with a pendo😬
In previous videos of the Class 43 power cars working back to back as a twin unit loco, the trains were topped and tailed. The trailing loco(s) was idling. On this occasion, the double double (quadruple) headed locos were both working. I would suspect this would be due not only to the weight of the train, but also due to the length - on releasing the brakes after slowing down, I suspect a train of that length could give a single pair a good shove up the backside.
I've only ever seen Skoda locos in Bratislava !
They also had Skoda busses there too.
Nice to see these buffered 43s, most if not all ex GC (and two being among the last to be re-engined if I’m not mistaken)
All of theirs are ex-Grand Central, however there are two buffer HSTs that weren't owned by GC
I think Rail Adventure have either been very clever finding all 8 Class 43s with the Buffer Beams fitted or the have had some standard ones converted.
Smart colour scheme as well.
Nice catch .. 👍👍
They haven't got all the buffer fitted ones , 013 and 014 are still with network rail
@@leonblittle226 Ah right. I can see a little trade taking place soon then .. 👍
No conversions. They have all but 013 and 014, which are Notwork Rail-owned.
Seems a very odd uses of the HST's when everyone has come so use to seeing them on passenger traffic... still good to see them been used instead of getting scrapped, shows they are still a very usable engine...
Awesome catch! Missed a lot of cool stuff today due to college unfortunately
It surprises me somewhat that the HST locomotive frames are strong enough to be used that way, given that they were designed to push-pull a limited number of Mark 3 carriages. Stronger frames means more weight, and therefore more fuel consumption.
Nice stuff
Getting them 777 units up to Kirkdale now. Interesting year swapping old for new
Great to see the 125's 'reborn' as it were. What I want to know is what on earth is a 'c2c' liveried train (@4:05) doing at Stafford??!! I thought the station sign said 'Stratford' at first! I had to look again. Did it take a wrong turn at Basildon?!!
I was gonna say the same thing, how come nobody's mentionedd it?
Mileage accumulation before acceptance into service.
@@alexlangford6291 ....ok, so it's on a 'test run' before being put in actual service? ....but can't they use one of the dedicated 'test tracks' that exist, and which aren't part of the regular network so to speak? ...like Dalby?
What happens if this train breaks down on a test run? ....it would block the track it's running on, and lead to delays for subsequent trains using that particular track.
@@robtyman4281 mileage accumulation run, it takes less time running between Crewe and Wembley to get 2,200 fault free miles at 100mph where a test track is too short to maintain that speed.
@@alexlangford6291 ...ah, ok. Now it makes more sense!
RailAdventure still trying to find the best formation for the job. Do these HSTs pull through the channel tunnel or is part of the journey from the builder pulled by a electric or both?
Everything through the chunnel is electric using dedicated shuttle locos. So I would presume it’s the standard chunnel locos that pull the trains through
Can all four power cars be driven in multiple by one driver?
Why all the barrier waggons? Is it becuase the breaks of the multiple units aren't functioning whil they're being towed, so the breaking force of the waggons is needed?
Hi Peter, yes that’s it - All additional wagons are for braking force 👍
@@trainsplanes cheers. I assumed there was nuclear materials in the grey waggons and the dmu was for guards.
Typical, eh? You wait ages for a 777, then 3 come along at once! Good to see those HST's kept away from the torch.
so weird to see an HST without the yellow on the front. someone please correct me if i'm wrong but isn't there a rule that they have to have yellow on them for visibility reasons?
Used to be. Modern headlights on locos and units are bright enough to not need the yellow ends or even panels.
@@YTdannycookevids until another accident happens and they decide to reimplement the yellow again
Crazy it's like using a ferrari to tow a caravan
Long may it continue for the variety! 😜
good to see the class 43 s still in use. But RailAdv livery is pretty dire, over here in Germany they have a class 103 electric in those same colours which looks bloody awful
That has got to be one of the weirdest looking trains I've seen.
My brain wants to shunt it into a "tidier" lay out (top/tail the HST), is wondering if there's any humans in the DMUs, and generally is very confused
Agree there has to be a better, tidier, set up than that mess. I assumed there was nuclear materials in the grey waggons or something.
I wonder who'd take the bet that 4x HST power cars nose to tail make less noise than 2x Class 37s at full chat separated by a rake of 5 coaches?
Does anybody know what loco(s) are used to bring these new trains through the Channel tunnel?
Probably the Class 92s
Seems crazy to be using Class 43s for this whilst TfW are using DB Class 67s for passenger service.
The "beauty" of the UK's privatised rail network.
Cant believe these are coming to the KWVR!!!!
Sir Kenneth Wood would be turning in his grave if he could see all those buffers on his lovely, clean design....
You mean Sir Kenneth Grange, who is still, as of 2023, alive.
@@theweekthatis Exactly...that's how horrified he would be, to climb into his own grave, whilst still alive, just to turn in disgust at those buffers!
@@roberthindle5146 😂😂😂
Are those the HST 125
Hi Shek, yes those are the ones 👍
Great footage. Must be expensive running those HSTs as freight trains.
Why do say that?
@@steveluckhurst2350 I’m guessing the op was thinking about the fuel consumption of the 4 x 2250bhp power car engines, assuming all were running of course?
Especially with no cargo on board.
@Steve luckhurst 4 V16 engines, 9000hp and they're 70s locos so parts aren't the easiest thing in the universe to find
@@Danse_Macabre_125 just go to Halfords, should be fine man. 😜
Where is Rail Adventures Depot
Great shots there,well done. Makes me feel very old when l can remember HST,s in their original livery!! Wonder if they still use the XPT in Australia?
XPT is still in use in AUS, their replacement is delayed due to the previous State Government.
@@skindog79 ah right. Thanks for info 👍
Were all 4 43s under power?
They were all running however I couldn’t tell when leaving due to the 90’s gate-crashing the departure.
No, there is no way to power the rear two as you would need a nose end 36 way jumper.
Power cars were never fitted with this. They have all 4 running to keep the compressors on!
Would be easier for one class 66 to do it, but where's the fun in that?!
I saw this at cheddington
what're the barrier wagons for?
Brake force
And coupling translation.
@@daveawhittle And actual braking, the units are probably electric brake control which standard locomotives are not equipped to work. If you look when the train pulls in, between the first unit and the cargo wagon, you can see a temporary brake pipe taped to the cab front leading into the cab window. This would run through the unit out the other end to the next set of vehicles and so on down the train to provide a continuous brake pipe. The units themselves would be swingers ( un braked )
Bizarre!
Seeing HSTs with front coupling buffers makes me a little sad
Slightly more TE than a Brush 4.
Odd use for old hst power cars
Weird to see HST with buffer sets
Imagine the fuel bill
I don't really understand the logic of this. can it really be economical to use hst power cars like this? I suppose it must be if railadventure are doing it but just strange.
It's easy to understand. The class 43s are otherwise redundant so Rail Adventure would have bought them for the fraction of the price of buying or leasing used, but still in demand class 66s, or new 68s or their equivalent. It's not like they need the ability to haul 3,000 tons doing stock movements. Also the 43s can be run as a pair with one engine shut down to save fuel when not required, plus there's built in redundancy should one 43 in a leading pair fail.
Rail Adventure will have signed a contract to complete these moves knowing what the revenue stream would be, combined with cost analysis plus contingencies. The business must be viable otherwise they would not have agreed to the work. Simple rules of business trading to make a profit.
Don't those locos look awful with buffers fitted?!
The HST power cars are for passenger use not goods traffic, why not use an ordinary engines? like a class 66
They're no longer required for passenger use, they've been replaced by new rolling stock. Presumably it's cost effective to repurpose them in this way, or they wouldn't do it.
Two surplus 43s = 1x4,500hp locomotive (with central crew zone). Not sure they really needed a double set on this haul...
@@cwt5654 A lot of horsepower but they are geared higher. Back in their day it was 2 HST's with 8 cars in between. Alot more carriage weight on this today. yup they needed 4 of them.
They are now lower geared and used in pairs to create a 4500hp locomotive - more power than a class 66 and perhaps lower maintenance and fuel consumption due to the relatively new MTU engines that have been installed
@@grannyjone I can't find any sources to confirm this, just the adaptions they made with the couplers and brakes.
Interesting way of connecting brake pipe! th-cam.com/video/1ElOWupZCiI/w-d-xo.html
They look crisp and new, even if the paint scheme is pretty awful. Whoever thought up thar combination of colours needs an eye test
Someone in Europe as it’s a standardised livery across a few countries 👍
No. Grey is a good colour if you want to stand out for your work and not for your appearance.
In addition, the colour of the RA trains takes a back seat to those of the transported trains, so the clients can shine......
@@trainsplanes That's bullshit. Where you got this nonsense from?
Quite interesting how they put cars between all the emu's rather then have them all together and cars on either end
Update i just got to the part where those 2 at the back are connected but i wonder why the first one is separate
You might possibly have wished you'd stayed on the platform you were originally on
You can’t walk close enough to the end of that platform so I would have been blocked out by the C2C 720’s that arrived.
9000 hp to move these plastic trains is a little overkill.................................
Yes but look at all the online videos with their name down the side…. Great advertising and a source of new business which keeps the company going.
Only the front pair were under power.
Only 4500hp actually which is reasonable. Not that overkill really as it's still less hp than a pair of Class 331s (6 car)!
Price of electricity hauling is not practical due inflation why u see lot more diesel traction instead of electric
Don't exaggerate.
The two pairs being towed are glorified brake vans, so to speak. You may also have noticed that despite its length, the train carries very few actual brake wagons (the flat wagons with the weights).
Thats old saw that on another video nearly 2 weeks ago
Hi Richard, this video was posted a couple of hours after it happened. You’ve likely seen a different move as these power cars have operated weekly (on different moves) for a while now 👍
@@trainsplanes th-cam.com/video/MIfrpw3cnAQ/w-d-xo.html
Looks same to me