I upgraded to the 315P and it’s by far my favorite ship at the moment, it just genuinely feels like what a luxury solo spaceship would feel like when I’m inside, like it may be small but it doesn’t feel cramped. If I had one wish it would be that you could replace the tractor beam with like a mining laser
At the moment it's pretty useless. Not in the sense that it's bad but the 300i base variant is better or the same in everything but quantum fuel range. But after all this is an explorer and its two main features are a tractor beam as well as scanning/exploration equipment, which both aren't in the game yet. So eventually the 315p will just be awesome.
As somebody (newly) in a mining corporation. This is a great ship for a Mole scouting team. Imagine if your tractor beam could then sort the Quant pieces from the crap to optimise the run. Plus I prefer the exterior and interior over the 300i. The only oddity is the duel cargo bay.
I know rite, it look so big and roomy I think the drop the ball when they came up with the back story. Cause the terrapin looks like an awesome lil baby freight/explorer. Instead of just pure recon lame.
Ship modularity will probably play into this. Terrapin is also a very easy ship to come out with more variants as well. Who knows. But I have to imagine there will be a search and rescue and military variants eventually.
I really do not understand what a minuscule cargo capacity would do for a specialized ship like the Terrapin. I mean you wouldn’t go grocery shopping in a Ferrari or would you?
I just watched youngbloods video from 3 years ago about exploration ships and was really wanting an updated exploration ship video. This sated my needs. Thank you good sir!
Fantastic video, Law! Two of the ships I have been using lately and both serve their purpose very differently, as you stated in the wonderful vid you made. The 315p does take Stealth components and with one shield turned off and in stealth mode is very difficult to detect. I suppose with its modest cargo hold for its size, could be a viable smuggler for these reasons. Terrapin is a brick to fly overall and has a slow SCU speed but can get up to just over 1200 m/s at full bore. This makes for a good getaway especially if your medium radar (by SC ratio, three times as powerful or that much more range) detects the smaller foes closing while its top speed will allow it to outrun those bigger than itself. Its VTOL capability should make it very capable in high gravity/low altitude situations. AND do not forget it is designed to handle dangerous environments like in the new systems we may see soon...
'modest cargo for it's size'. Lol. Right now it literally has the highest cargo capacity of anything in it's size class. But I guess it's all a matter of perspective...
I am continually amazed at the depth and breadth of both your knowledge and insight. I am also very impressed at how you broke out the 315 versus the terapin and their individual styles of play as Pathfinder vehicles. Keep up the good work. I have subscribed to you
I think you are the first one to explain to me just exactly what exploration ships are and can do. Thats really dope. Thats totally doing to be my playstyle.
I'd love to see the in-lore alleged "APC" capability of the Terrapin restored at least as a configurable option. And a real cargo grid as well, even if only as a third separately-available mode. To do either, they'll need to make either an alternate version of the ship with the central scanner seat/array completely removable/replaceable, or else retro-fit that functional modularity into the existing model. Either way, as much as I appreciate the outward design configuration of the Terrapin, to me it's just another one of the most egregious examples of CIG arbitrarily limiting the potential versatility of some of their ship designs, for dubious/suspect reasons. Especially at the listed price, this ruins the appeal of the Terrapin for me, at least in its present form.
Well done! I'm glad you took your time and didn't rush to get through some main bullet points. Must have taken a lot of time to make this video! Appreciate it! 👍🏽
Another great one! You really give the most relevant information on ANY ship in your videos and this comparison doesn't disappoint - worth having both ships IMO. The saga of the possessed 315p at end of the video was classic AF!
Very interesting comparison Law. Both share that similar “pathfinder” label, but in reality, both are very different in roles and uses. I view the 315p as an exploration/pathfinder “generalist”, able to sample various roles in the exploration family of ships. The Terrapin on the other hand, seems razor focused on its scanner/radar abilities which are superb for its size. Like you mentioned, it’s should be great at radar/scanner data collection and Picket Duty / Raid Warning for fleet ops. I own and love both, but for very different reasons. Great vid as always Law. Hope to see you in verse again soon.
I'll definitely see you soon. I want to get a group together as soon as 3.7 hits the PTU so we can test out the new mission sharing feature, so a little Spelunking and some FPS mining.
I absolutely adore the design of the Terrapin - It just looks so fundamentally *real*. The only issue is that scanner station position, and as someone else has said, move it to one side and you have the space you need for optional cargo or seats.
It's supposed to be inspiring from the Navy's E2C Hawkeye which works the same. It's strategically placed there for real world reasons. I suggest you read about it, its actually a really important aircraft. Without it, the US Navy would be blind.
great detail in the script and video editing is super well done, i feel like i can actually WATCH instead of ASMR style listen while working. I love this content, instant sub :)
I went with the 315p due to the cost savings over the Terrapin. Not to knock the Terrapin (much) but it is way overpriced for what you get, especially with no cargo capacity at all and no second bed for that scanner operator.
I feel like when people think of exploration the thing in everyones mind is finding new solar system and planets, which obviously they will never be able to make that type of content fast enough. They will probably find a way to fill space with new things to discover, like asteroids, comets, meteors ,meteoroids and man made objects (Like broken ship parts or parts from old spacestations) that drift around without showing up on any maps until these exploration focused ships find them. And they could crash down on planets aswell so explorers have to scan the surface of planets. These types of things could be randomly generated and spawned so they wouldnt have to be manually made every time while still being something new everytime. This would also make an automatic symbiotic relationship between explorers and miners / salvagers. The explorers travel around with their much faster more fuel efficient ships and better scanners and find these different objects, they then report back to different hubs like planetside cities or spacestations where they sell this information. Or they could use the information themselves ofcourse, by changing ship and mining themselves or giving it to friends and split the profit. These would then pop up on a quest hub of some sort, either an NPC or a billboard thing, where miners and salvagers could pick it up and do the job. Also once the information is sold to the hub, it could either be free information and its basically a race to get the resources, or make it so that you buy the mining/salvaging rights off the hub.
terrapin should really be super modular, while it seems to be good for certain specific things, the APC aspect is glaring. and if it was an APC and the chair moved or changed, i could imagine swapping out the scanner for a turret and being a proper drop ship for mid combat drops
Something that always gets me with these ships is all the wasted space. Terrapin needs more to fill the space around the scanning seat, unless it's gonna be filled with holograms?? or have options to remove the scanning functionality for a cargo bay, or troop jump seats, or an RV like mobile home interior, or a heap of other options..??? How about a Artillery support option? Like people are caling it a "Flying Tank", so why not use all that extra space to store large ballistic rounds, and the roof scanner/seat into a size 4 - 6 turret for the second player. Maybe some kind of 105mm - 150mm Howitzer, 75mm Bofor, or even some dual, twin linked 30mm gatlings (think A10 warthog)??? Maybe even rip out the seat and turret all together and just install some missile racks or some mining functionality. I can think of 100's of ways off the top of my head to fill the space, and use it more effectively, without having to empty or too cluttered to be unable to walk around in it... So much to be had with this ship's really amazingly designed base frame, yet so much wasted potential. Also there's plenty of space within the ship model of the 315 to have the toilet sink into the floor and a fixed shower head above.. and having storage under it's sink/kitchenette area... I don't understand why CIG purposefully withholds functionality.. Especially when there's plenty of space within the Graphical model for it... Unless they are just consistently making these small oversights as mistakes? As an easy fix, why not have added some removable ship "saddle bags".. imagine having compartments you could just bolt onto the outside of the ship. Messing up the Aerodynamocs a bit, yes, but as an explorer/pathfinder ship. Speed and Aerodynamics aren't what you should be after. More fuel and item storage should trump everything. You shouldn't be getting into fire fights or be in too much of a rush while exploring. Also another wasted opportunity imo, is the 890 jump. All that flat open top deck space and no EVA deck with railings? Would be amazing to host unsuited, in atmosphere parties upon it's deck - like they do on modern super yachts... Except instead of floating on a river or the ocean, you could slowly cruise amongst/past the skyscrapers of Arccorp or around the megastructure of Hurston. or Even have Suited EVA shenanigans in an asteroid field or some other space point of interest, like modern scuba divers around reefs and wrecks...
I love my Terrapin. In the PU I have it equipped with stealth-class components, so even if the power and shields are medium-sized, I can still sneak around with no issues. It won't out-stealth a Talon or Eclipse or anything, but its signature is low enough that I use it when doing delivery missions or when I need to get somewhere undetected (Or whenever I'm hovering around Kareah to scout it out first when I accidentally get a crimestat and need to get rid of it). Just keep the weapons off and suppress IR and you're almost as stealthy as a stealth-kitted Arrow, IR and EM-wise. Though I imagine the Cross-Section signature has a big difference. P.S. That clip at the end was hilarious.
I suspect that the 315 will excel at charting jump points and selling the navigation data. Other ships cant use it as an autopilot, but they can use it like GPS navigation to warn the pilot when to turn. I expect that the Terrapin will excel at gathering data for other industry professions (ie: mining, fuel harvesting, flora for medication/drugs) Both ships can do both, I suspect that they will have their strong suits.
This variant should stay exactly how it is. We need other variants though. U4A-1: No chair. RIO seat behind the pilot seat like the Cutlass. Add a 2nd bunk so it can actually support a crew of 2 without hot-bunking. Give it 20 SCU cargo space. Replace the utility slot with the chin turret from the Valkyrie (another old Anvil ship) slaved to the RIO seat. We know Anvil likes remote turrets. Again, see the Valkyrie. This would make for an awesome little 'blockade runner' and combat transport. Able to get small amounts of cargo into and out of dangerous locations and able to defend itself moderately well. U4A-2: Same as above, no chair. RIO seat behind the cockpit. Remote turret slaved to the RIO seat. Removes ALL sleeping accommodations, including the microwave and head/shower. Removes the gun rack and storage too. Reenables the starboard side door and ramp. Adds in 2 rows of jump seats for troops. Also adds a pair of GT-210s to the doors like the Valkyrie. Basically, this version would be a small drop ship. More heavily armored than a Valkyrie but smaller and not able to carry as many troops. Sort of like a special forces infil/exfil transport when something the size of a Valkyrie is just too big. U4A-4: No chair. RIO seat behind the pilot seat. Has the accommodations of the U4A-1 but replaces the turret with a torpedo launcher. Also in those grill-like structures that flank the cockpit you could put a bunch of size 3 missiles. This would be a missileboat variant. Just a few things you could do with this spaceframe without even altering the model much at all. This little ship just screams "THROW ROLES AT ME PLEASE!!".. It's like the MRAP of the UEE and it should be every bit as versatile.
I am now in love with the Terrapin. I hope the developers find a way to make scanning complex and engaging. There's alot of possibilities to make scanning an interesting mechanic. I'm rooting for their ability to make this an awesome game overall, and make all branches meaningful and rewarding :)
Nice and in depth vid ! Wasn't the 300 series supposed to have a specialized hydrogen-scoop, something only origin had or simply a superior technology to other companies? ... point is that would give the 315p a distinct advantage over every other deep exploration vessel of it's class.
The Terrapin is just so disappointing with the wasted space in the back. If the data operator seat were moved somewhere less insane, it would have plenty of room for cargo. I don't think I could live with having that frustrating flaw.
They will add blade racks and avionics boxes all around that seat to allow data collection when they will be added in game. Right now you can see them inside the MSR, the Vanguard sentinel and at new Babbage microtech store.Being an older model, the Terrapin has just empty spaces, unlike the MSR and like the Constellation Aquila. That empty space in the Terrapin will be filled very quickly.
LMAO! That ending was unexpected and the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. I cried. The first thing that came to mind as the ship kept getting tossed around was the movie Twister, but then another movie came to mind with a famous quote, "I'm a leaf in the wind, I'm a leaf in the wind, I'm a leaf in the wind." Which made it all the more funny to me. So thanks for adding that. Priceless.
For me, I think I would use the 315p to do solo runs, because if I were to bring anyone else, I would use my Carack. I know that disqualifies me from the choices lol. Just say'n. Also great reviews Law, I enjoy watching your stat comparisons on the different ships. Great break down.
They need to add the need to strap on your sit before and after QT for more realism, if you don't do that force would throw you against a wall hurting you badly and/or kill you. Also needs directional extra speed like supersonic something in between afterburner and orbital QT without the need of a marker for a quick exit of situations or reaching places faster.
The Terrapin reminds me of a sniper pair. Spotter and sniper, but here it's driver and system user(?), both made to stay out in the field for longer periods of time while relying on stealth to remain undetected while competing their mission. It's made to first and foremost protect it's crew, which is a very nice thing to see in a military ship. It's center seat could potentially be folded towards the roof when not in use to allow for additional space and it could easily be outfitted with seats for 10-20 men (if you ignore comfort) which in turn would allow it to act as a transport. I also see enough room for them to install a med bay allowing it to act as a Medevac. The circular mount-looking spot could potentially be used for a better long range directional sensor, a BFG or the new QED. I really like how it has the potential of like the black hawk chopper filling multiple roles in an army. Personally this is one of those ships i can see myself owning a long long time, constantly changing it's interior and exterior with new modules and functions. Hell it's about as big as my apartment and if added a kitchen... i wouldn't mind living there. :)
I'm fairly new to SC and thinking about what i'd do in game starting out, what ships i'd want etc. I have to say i LOVE the look and role of this ship. They really need to lean into the utility aspect and build modules to swap into that slot. I haven't pledged yet but if they had this ship in a package, yeah i'd be on board PDQ. That said I do think it needs another pass though. Maybe enlarge the cockpit for a second seat where the scan operator would sit(either side by side or inline). That would free up the center space for small cargo, medical bed, jump seats etc.. Edit: As someone new to SC your videos are invaluable in helping to understand the ships and the roles in game. You are probably the best creator right now so keep up the good work.
I've watched this video twice now and I'm still having trouble deciding on if I want to CCU my 315 to the Pin. I like the utility that the 315 brings with the tractor beam and cargo space, but I feel so cramped and claustrophobic in it. The lack of a shower hurts a bit for me as well. I much prefer the interior feel of the Terrapin because I feel like it gives me breathing room and has the shower in addition to everything else the 315 has. The price and lack of any SCU for spare parts hurts it though.
@@aesericho3651 Last time I flew the Terrapin was at the Expo last year and thoroughly enjoyed it then. I didn't even do anything productive with it, I just flew around sight seeing with it and had a blast. The lack of cargo grid is the biggest thing that's bothering me about it. I don't want to run cargo with it, but I would like to be able to keep some spare parts for repairs or be able to pick up a box for a mission in the future and not worry about it flying around on the inside damaging the contents or even the ship like the devs said would happen in the future. I feel like the 315p is an extremely good deal for the price you pay compared to what you get, in a similar vein as the Cutlass Black. That's where my hesitation comes in. The future is so uncertain with the Terrapin (since it's the test bed for item 2.0) that I'm worried about not being able to do just basic things with it that the 315p could do for over 3x the price.
@@SuperGankBros I completely agree. Even 1-2 scu cargo would go a long way. I'm very optimistic with the terrapin since I have both. Hopefully it pans out. you'd like to give it another go, let me know and I'll log in for you.
And when physicalised items will come to play with the possibility to store them in SCUs, the fact that 315p has storage will shine in a completely new light.
I LOVE my Terrapin! One of the ships I love to fly just because it has such a unique look and the MFDs right now are 1st class. Also has a lot of quantum fuel as does any exploration type ship. Can't wait to see what data collection will be like. Bought the 315P at Flight Week and LOVE that sunroof/starroof.
Ive been subbed a while, and always come back through and look at the VS for thoughts. Even after a rework, your view on prior models gives a perspective to think about when considering. All that being said,... I just got so happy you pronounced Niche properly lol,... so many people say it with a hard ch and it drives me batty haha
Yea they both offer different game play for sure. The Mercury will be stealing data as appose to scanning for it. Maybe it can do a little of the other too.
Curious how crazy the durability of the Terrapin is if you divert all power to shields, have it landed, hulled down, and locked up. Reason I ask is if you find yourself being chased by pirates, would it be viable to bunker down and call for help? I doubt small-arms fire or even many rockets would do much to the thing.
It's still hard to judge what exploration ships are really going to be doing in the end. Especially the smaller ones. Still, it is worth noting the nods to their function that do show up ingame already - you can particularly see this with the 315p, since it has close relatives for other roles. And since for various reasons I ended up with a 315p, 325a and 350r... It's worth noting the 12 SCU of cargo of the 315 is currently the largest for anything classified as a 'small' ship. - though this will undoubtedly change once the Hull A is available. It's also worth noting that the 315p has 700 units of Quantum fuel to the other variant's 583 units. Which is about 20% extra. It also has the most efficient quantum drive in the lineup. For that matter, it really stands out when flying a 325a or a 350r especially how much more quickly these variants burn through hydrogen fuel compared to a 315p. Do a trip from lorville to Area 18 in a 350r and you'll probably be down to about 30-60% hydrogen fuel on arrival depending on how you fly and any detours you took (Especially in atmosphere) Do the same in a 315p and you'll likely be in the 60-80% remaining fuel range, if not more. So there's definitely some substantial changes to the 315p's endurance, even if it's still not impressive compared to larger ships. For comparison, a 600i doing the same route will be at 90+% hydrogen fuel if you abuse it, and may even regenerate enough in atmosphere to be at 99% or even 100% on arrival if you fly more gracefully. Of course, a 600i is also an explorer - even mine, which has a touring module. But because the 600i is modular, rather than being a set of variants, it has the same basic performance regardless of internal equipment. (meaning the touring 'variant' still has explorer grade engines and scanners.) So... it might not be dramatic, but explorers definitely do have extended endurance...
From what I remember reading about jump points years ago, they're going to have different sized 'tunnels' you will need to manually navigate through in order to chart them. The 315p with its improved maneuverability sounds perfect for the task of mapping the smallest jump points, it could be vital for finding the most cost-effective trade routes and selling that info to haulers.
Dude the quality of your videos, those beautiful scenic shots of the vessels and space, are top notch. Cudos! Edit: I also quite enjoy the in depth detail of the ships and the “as if they were real” mentality you take on the videos. And I don’t even play the game.
I 100% agree with your thoughts and conclusions of these two ships. I chose a Terrapin, but I also have a Freelancer DUR which satisfies the situations where I want to explore with the advantages of a cargo grid, and have more offense than a Terrapin provides.
The slip among the field. Or even to a point where they can't see you on radars do to how small a ship is in open space and have to completely rely on visual contact to even find you.
What I would like to see are manipulators for the Terrapin replacing the weapon mount like those on a submersible, what I thought one role of the terrapin was going to be. But in the end, for what the Terrapin brings to the field it is way to much overpriced. I have the feeling it needs a second utility hardpoint at the very least. @14:22 The Terrapin has a microwave? Where? You also mentioned the possibility of other utility items instead of the dish. I thought that is something of the past. All in all a good video.
I value empirical data recording capacity and the Terrapin has a bigger computer and sensor package for this type of work over the 300i. I have other exploration ships for my org mates to specialize in as we do coordinated exploration of a given region or space. You had an earlier videos from a year or two ago and despite some minor changes, my interpretation of the advantages of customization and specialization is still critical for getting better, faster results.
If they fix the nicks of the 315p's ramp, the ship would make for a nice single person "vacation" craft that gives you enough amenities to have a very comfortable 3 days of off-grid camping and bike roaming, to then go back on station and refuel, get grocieries and have a full shower. I don't see it as something you'd use to make a profit, at least not something the 315 would be advertised for, while there's a lot more potential (narratively) for the Terrapin... The Terrapin I feel like it missed the memo on being a logistics craft, or being versatile enough that it could be repurposed for logistics so extensively: The armour should be modular, as in, multiple armour packages should be available so you can choose to wear heavy armour, or shed a few dozen tons when planning a much longer trek without direct confrontations to significantly extend your fuel range and require much less power if you mean to hover a lot in atmosphere. The amenities should be geared for a crew of 3, so it's possible to cycle one person driving, one sleeping and one resting/backup in 8-hour periods for fresher minds on the job, and the crew of 2 should be for packages where space is at a premium. And the ship should have a cargo configuration, it just doesn't sit right that it doesn't when sounds like it wants to be a Space Bradley.
A factor now with FP mining. It is confermed that Terrapin can find hand minebel ores, 315P can not. And my reflection is that in the roll of scouting astroidsbelts, poseble landingzone's, the posbility of reveal if it is a valuble mining site or not is importent. Actually to a degree that I wonder if it is a error from CIG's side, that the 315P can not. (OMG, look at the lengt of that sentens!)
Agreed. I love the idea but EVERYTHING sounds first come first serve and they seem to have everything hand placed/painted thus leaving out the idea of finding undiscovered objects and locations as time passes. With NPCs being reported to be capable of doing any careers a player can do means that not only are players competing with players but also with NPCs. It would be a shame if exploration eventually gets regulated to 'salvage scouting' as anything but shipwrecks would be permanently discovered/logged/explored as ships can get wrecked dynamically all the time and get abandoned in fights or natural disasters but planets, ruins, moons, and such will not be randomized but just 'unknown at the start' until discovered, made known, and will forever remain fully exhausted in terms of discovery/exploration value.
I haven't started play much yet, but this made me very glad that I got the 315P. I am interested in the Terrapin, but it's not available right now anyway. I prefer general exploration. And grabbing some small, high value things appears to the magpie in me.
I can't recommend the Terrapin; it's too slow to run from a fight and too lightly armed to win one. Eventually the armor is overcome and I was toast. Traded it for a Freelancer max. Space trucker for me.
At some point it would be nice for a way to place a beacon somewhere that for example has alot of minerals to mine. This way you could find your way back after selling off your finds...
I traded my Terrapin for a MSR and I have a 315 as well. It would have been the 315 if the Terrapin would have had a med bed, storage grid or actual gameplay that benefits it right now. However, I did not trade up (to the MSR) without feeling that it was a loss in some way, as I love the Terrapin look.
I have to wonder if there will be a fix for small ground vehicles to be transported in the 315p, seems like it should a perfect fit, and would be something a luxury company would intentionally design to work together.
I like the look of the Terrapin, but I really wish it was a heavy fighter instead of Pathfinder. The heavy tank like Armor would be great for combat with slow heavy powerful turrets. Such a shame...
Great Vie doe. What I'd like to know is fi you'll be able to fit a Ranger bike and close the cargo bay... We'll see, but good video. I do love the 315p, though I think the sensors on the Terapin will out perform the 315p's scanners, I still prefer the Origin ship (especially at the price it is).
Can't wait to go on "peaceful expeditionary missions" armed to the teeth and ready to bring peace and freedom to all the unexplored areas of the galaxy. Hell, if there was a Limited Range Environmental Alteration ship or something, discovering, securing and then terraforming areas of planets for the UEE would be my thing!
I have the 315P and a Terrapin to use as explorers based out of my 890 Jump hanger. I can't decide what my configuration will be, a 315P, and two 100 series in the hanger, or a terrapin and two 100 series ships in the hanger. I want to use the Terrapin for it's durability, I like the thought of being able to withstand attacks long enough to get back to my capitol ships shielded hanger, but it seems much more attractive to have an 890 Jump outfitted with only Origin series ships and vehicles.
i love the terrapin, such an awesome looking ship, almost like a mix of Alien dropship and Halo Dropship, mixed in with some sort of tank, just realy speaks to my aesthetics * ^^ *
You can already kiss hover mode good by. The "helicopter physics" aspect of hover mode is being ripped out in 3.7 and replaced with an IFCS proximity assist mode.
I'm not sure if this is still true (for my part, it better be, because it's the reason I bought it), but one of the main selling points of the 315p when I bought it is the ability to map the actual traversal of new or otherwise unmapped jump points. And this data will be remarkably valuable, the amount depending on what's on the other side. That's going to be the main source of income for the 315p.
The chances to discover a new jump point by an individual is very very small number 1/2.500.000, but i remember Tony Z speaking for the necessity to go re-map the jumps, and other things over and over again.
Selling data is a tricky thing it seems. Lots of communication. Part 1: Explore until you gather data worth selling. Part 2: Become fast friends with many different career focused people, from mining to bounty hunters. Part 3: Sell information to people who can actually use that data and build a good rep.
There will be an in-game market for selling location data, you're not limited to only selling it to people you know. Although I'm sure many orgs will have their own internal scouting deparments who explore purely for the benefit of the org itself.
I will get the P, but onnly as a stepping-Stone that's going to be upgraded to something more expensive, until I have the Terrrapin. ... It might be useless right now, but I'd love to use it for my Box- and Bunker missions. It's so pretty and tanky.
Terrapins scanning chair needs to move to side and should be similar to Mako’s TV workstation. That would make room for cargo plates.
Hard to stay in the field for a long duration with no supplies!
A medical variant of the Terrapin would be interesting.
Extract a client, bring them to the 300, they get saved in luxury and we get paid
The highest armored Medical rescue! That'd be perfect.
I'd be into a medium cargo variant
I upgraded to the 315P and it’s by far my favorite ship at the moment, it just genuinely feels like what a luxury solo spaceship would feel like when I’m inside, like it may be small but it doesn’t feel cramped. If I had one wish it would be that you could replace the tractor beam with like a mining laser
Yeah that would be handy indeed.
Or with a directional scanning array. That would be awesome.
At the moment it's pretty useless. Not in the sense that it's bad but the 300i base variant is better or the same in everything but quantum fuel range. But after all this is an explorer and its two main features are a tractor beam as well as scanning/exploration equipment, which both aren't in the game yet. So eventually the 315p will just be awesome.
As somebody (newly) in a mining corporation. This is a great ship for a Mole scouting team. Imagine if your tractor beam could then sort the Quant pieces from the crap to optimise the run. Plus I prefer the exterior and interior over the 300i. The only oddity is the duel cargo bay.
@@quuaaarrrk8056 315 are more agile - 1, 315 has 12scu of cargo bay - 2. 300i is most useless ship in a series.
Stealthy armored forward scout. I will be sorely disappointed if i don'[t see a Terrapin called Raphael, Donatello, or Leonardo :)
I'll keep the names in mind and ensure that your dream is made a reality on launch :) You forgot Michelangelo, though
Needs a green skin with red/puprle/blue/orange accents ;) Mine would be The Donaltello (my fav as a kid).
Raphael was the scout ;)
@@Phelixc Already named mine Donatello because he was the tech wizard.
I named mine Bowser
Wow! In depth review and comparison. Best I've seen so far. More like this please.
How does the Terrapin not have cargo space? It's mostly just one big empty room.
Terrapin will most likely have data storage.
I know rite, it look so big and roomy I think the drop the ball when they came up with the back story. Cause the terrapin looks like an awesome lil baby freight/explorer. Instead of just pure recon lame.
Ship modularity will probably play into this. Terrapin is also a very easy ship to come out with more variants as well. Who knows. But I have to imagine there will be a search and rescue and military variants eventually.
@@instantjizz There are already so many freight options in the game, as someone who is looking for a pure recon vehicle this looks awesome to me
I really do not understand what a minuscule cargo capacity would do for a specialized ship like the Terrapin. I mean you wouldn’t go grocery shopping in a Ferrari or would you?
Great comparison!! Really enjoyed the amount of details, good job man!
I just watched youngbloods video from 3 years ago about exploration ships and was really wanting an updated exploration ship video. This sated my needs. Thank you good sir!
Fantastic video, Law! Two of the ships I have been using lately and both serve their purpose very differently, as you stated in the wonderful vid you made. The 315p does take Stealth components and with one shield turned off and in stealth mode is very difficult to detect. I suppose with its modest cargo hold for its size, could be a viable smuggler for these reasons. Terrapin is a brick to fly overall and has a slow SCU speed but can get up to just over 1200 m/s at full bore. This makes for a good getaway especially if your medium radar (by SC ratio, three times as powerful or that much more range) detects the smaller foes closing while its top speed will allow it to outrun those bigger than itself. Its VTOL capability should make it very capable in high gravity/low altitude situations. AND do not forget it is designed to handle dangerous environments like in the new systems we may see soon...
'modest cargo for it's size'. Lol. Right now it literally has the highest cargo capacity of anything in it's size class.
But I guess it's all a matter of perspective...
I am continually amazed at the depth and breadth of both your knowledge and insight. I am also very impressed at how you broke out the 315 versus the terapin and their individual styles of play as Pathfinder vehicles. Keep up the good work. I have subscribed to you
I think you are the first one to explain to me just exactly what exploration ships are and can do. Thats really dope. Thats totally doing to be my playstyle.
I'd love to see the in-lore alleged "APC" capability of the Terrapin restored at least as a configurable option. And a real cargo grid as well, even if only as a third separately-available mode. To do either, they'll need to make either an alternate version of the ship with the central scanner seat/array completely removable/replaceable, or else retro-fit that functional modularity into the existing model. Either way, as much as I appreciate the outward design configuration of the Terrapin, to me it's just another one of the most egregious examples of CIG arbitrarily limiting the potential versatility of some of their ship designs, for dubious/suspect reasons. Especially at the listed price, this ruins the appeal of the Terrapin for me, at least in its present form.
Great analysis, especially the separated cargo's protection from shipjackers.
Well done! I'm glad you took your time and didn't rush to get through some main bullet points. Must have taken a lot of time to make this video! Appreciate it! 👍🏽
Once armor is implemented, the Terrapin is going to be a sleeper ship, that armor is gunna be thiccc, boiiii
Another great one! You really give the most relevant information on ANY ship in your videos and this comparison doesn't disappoint - worth having both ships IMO. The saga of the possessed 315p at end of the video was classic AF!
Very interesting comparison Law. Both share that similar “pathfinder” label, but in reality, both are very different in roles and uses. I view the 315p as an exploration/pathfinder “generalist”, able to sample various roles in the exploration family of ships. The Terrapin on the other hand, seems razor focused on its scanner/radar abilities which are superb for its size. Like you mentioned, it’s should be great at radar/scanner data collection and Picket Duty / Raid Warning for fleet ops. I own and love both, but for very different reasons. Great vid as always Law. Hope to see you in verse again soon.
I'll definitely see you soon. I want to get a group together as soon as 3.7 hits the PTU so we can test out the new mission sharing feature, so a little Spelunking and some FPS mining.
This review style is very detailed and attractive enough for me to want to see more.. Great job..
I absolutely adore the design of the Terrapin - It just looks so fundamentally *real*.
The only issue is that scanner station position, and as someone else has said, move it to one side and you have the space you need for optional cargo or seats.
It's supposed to be inspiring from the Navy's E2C Hawkeye which works the same. It's strategically placed there for real world reasons. I suggest you read about it, its actually a really important aircraft. Without it, the US Navy would be blind.
that reclaimer slided in and and stopped so smooth lol
great detail in the script and video editing is super well done, i feel like i can actually WATCH instead of ASMR style listen while working. I love this content, instant sub :)
Very, very well done and informative video. I'm absolutely going to share this with my org. Thank you!
I went with the 315p due to the cost savings over the Terrapin. Not to knock the Terrapin (much) but it is way overpriced for what you get, especially with no cargo capacity at all and no second bed for that scanner operator.
Don't fancy hot bunking?
Yeah it needs a re-think. A med variant with Docking hatch on top, medical bed, and forcefield behind the ramp would be cool for rescuing people.
@@mwnciboo I bet it will get a big re-think.
@@mwnciboo An air shield makes a ton of sense for the Terrapin.
I feel like when people think of exploration the thing in everyones mind is finding new solar system and planets, which obviously they will never be able to make that type of content fast enough.
They will probably find a way to fill space with new things to discover, like asteroids, comets, meteors ,meteoroids and man made objects (Like broken ship parts or parts from old spacestations) that drift around without showing up on any maps until these exploration focused ships find them. And they could crash down on planets aswell so explorers have to scan the surface of planets.
These types of things could be randomly generated and spawned so they wouldnt have to be manually made every time while still being something new everytime.
This would also make an automatic symbiotic relationship between explorers and miners / salvagers. The explorers travel around with their much faster more fuel efficient ships and better scanners and find these different objects, they then report back to different hubs like planetside cities or spacestations where they sell this information. Or they could use the information themselves ofcourse, by changing ship and mining themselves or giving it to friends and split the profit.
These would then pop up on a quest hub of some sort, either an NPC or a billboard thing, where miners and salvagers could pick it up and do the job.
Also once the information is sold to the hub, it could either be free information and its basically a race to get the resources, or make it so that you buy the mining/salvaging rights off the hub.
I wrote this comment before even watching the video, seems i was not the first to have this thought LOL
If only the terrapin had some dedicated cargo space, i'd buy one right now
As a Mustang Beta owner I'm seriously considering swapping to it
For the price it should
yeah. Even if it only has like 1 or 2 SCU of space near the bed or something.
terrapin should really be super modular, while it seems to be good for certain specific things, the APC aspect is glaring. and if it was an APC and the chair moved or changed, i could imagine swapping out the scanner for a turret and being a proper drop ship for mid combat drops
Yeah but they're trying to make role specific drop ships
Great video. I can't wait to enjoy it! I have both ships to go with explorer fleet.
Great comparison video. I've always been a fan of anvil and I hope the super hornet gets the customization options the 300 series has enabled.
Something that always gets me with these ships is all the wasted space. Terrapin needs more to fill the space around the scanning seat, unless it's gonna be filled with holograms?? or have options to remove the scanning functionality for a cargo bay, or troop jump seats, or an RV like mobile home interior, or a heap of other options..??? How about a Artillery support option? Like people are caling it a "Flying Tank", so why not use all that extra space to store large ballistic rounds, and the roof scanner/seat into a size 4 - 6 turret for the second player. Maybe some kind of 105mm - 150mm Howitzer, 75mm Bofor, or even some dual, twin linked 30mm gatlings (think A10 warthog)??? Maybe even rip out the seat and turret all together and just install some missile racks or some mining functionality. I can think of 100's of ways off the top of my head to fill the space, and use it more effectively, without having to empty or too cluttered to be unable to walk around in it... So much to be had with this ship's really amazingly designed base frame, yet so much wasted potential.
Also there's plenty of space within the ship model of the 315 to have the toilet sink into the floor and a fixed shower head above.. and having storage under it's sink/kitchenette area...
I don't understand why CIG purposefully withholds functionality.. Especially when there's plenty of space within the Graphical model for it... Unless they are just consistently making these small oversights as mistakes? As an easy fix, why not have added some removable ship "saddle bags".. imagine having compartments you could just bolt onto the outside of the ship. Messing up the Aerodynamocs a bit, yes, but as an explorer/pathfinder ship. Speed and Aerodynamics aren't what you should be after. More fuel and item storage should trump everything. You shouldn't be getting into fire fights or be in too much of a rush while exploring.
Also another wasted opportunity imo, is the 890 jump. All that flat open top deck space and no EVA deck with railings? Would be amazing to host unsuited, in atmosphere parties upon it's deck - like they do on modern super yachts... Except instead of floating on a river or the ocean, you could slowly cruise amongst/past the skyscrapers of Arccorp or around the megastructure of Hurston. or Even have Suited EVA shenanigans in an asteroid field or some other space point of interest, like modern scuba divers around reefs and wrecks...
I love my Terrapin. In the PU I have it equipped with stealth-class components, so even if the power and shields are medium-sized, I can still sneak around with no issues. It won't out-stealth a Talon or Eclipse or anything, but its signature is low enough that I use it when doing delivery missions or when I need to get somewhere undetected (Or whenever I'm hovering around Kareah to scout it out first when I accidentally get a crimestat and need to get rid of it). Just keep the weapons off and suppress IR and you're almost as stealthy as a stealth-kitted Arrow, IR and EM-wise. Though I imagine the Cross-Section signature has a big difference.
P.S. That clip at the end was hilarious.
I suspect that the 315 will excel at charting jump points and selling the navigation data. Other ships cant use it as an autopilot, but they can use it like GPS navigation to warn the pilot when to turn.
I expect that the Terrapin will excel at gathering data for other industry professions (ie: mining, fuel harvesting, flora for medication/drugs)
Both ships can do both, I suspect that they will have their strong suits.
This variant should stay exactly how it is.
We need other variants though.
U4A-1: No chair. RIO seat behind the pilot seat like the Cutlass. Add a 2nd bunk so it can actually support a crew of 2 without hot-bunking. Give it 20 SCU cargo space. Replace the utility slot with the chin turret from the Valkyrie (another old Anvil ship) slaved to the RIO seat. We know Anvil likes remote turrets. Again, see the Valkyrie. This would make for an awesome little 'blockade runner' and combat transport. Able to get small amounts of cargo into and out of dangerous locations and able to defend itself moderately well.
U4A-2: Same as above, no chair. RIO seat behind the cockpit. Remote turret slaved to the RIO seat. Removes ALL sleeping accommodations, including the microwave and head/shower. Removes the gun rack and storage too. Reenables the starboard side door and ramp. Adds in 2 rows of jump seats for troops. Also adds a pair of GT-210s to the doors like the Valkyrie. Basically, this version would be a small drop ship. More heavily armored than a Valkyrie but smaller and not able to carry as many troops. Sort of like a special forces infil/exfil transport when something the size of a Valkyrie is just too big.
U4A-4: No chair. RIO seat behind the pilot seat. Has the accommodations of the U4A-1 but replaces the turret with a torpedo launcher. Also in those grill-like structures that flank the cockpit you could put a bunch of size 3 missiles. This would be a missileboat variant.
Just a few things you could do with this spaceframe without even altering the model much at all. This little ship just screams "THROW ROLES AT ME PLEASE!!".. It's like the MRAP of the UEE and it should be every bit as versatile.
The 315p was my first ship.....and I hope they will flesh out the exploration.....see you in the verse in my red 315p
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Hard to put the terrapin in there due to its price being nearly 4 times as much as the rest. Good review none the less
I am now in love with the Terrapin.
I hope the developers find a way to make scanning complex and engaging. There's alot of possibilities to make scanning an interesting mechanic. I'm rooting for their ability to make this an awesome game overall, and make all branches meaningful and rewarding :)
Nice and in depth vid ! Wasn't the 300 series supposed to have a specialized hydrogen-scoop, something only origin had or simply a superior technology to other companies? ... point is that would give the 315p a distinct advantage over every other deep exploration vessel of it's class.
deep space refueling? sounds good.
lmao that ending. The invisible Shai-Hulud took your ship!
that Reclaimer landing is amazing
The Terrapin is just so disappointing with the wasted space in the back. If the data operator seat were moved somewhere less insane, it would have plenty of room for cargo. I don't think I could live with having that frustrating flaw.
They will add blade racks and avionics boxes all around that seat to allow data collection when they will be added in game. Right now you can see them inside the MSR, the Vanguard sentinel and at new Babbage microtech store.Being an older model, the Terrapin has just empty spaces, unlike the MSR and like the Constellation Aquila. That empty space in the Terrapin will be filled very quickly.
Amazing video! thank you for the in-depth comparison!
LMAO! That ending was unexpected and the funniest thing I've seen in a long time. I cried. The first thing that came to mind as the ship kept getting tossed around was the movie Twister, but then another movie came to mind with a famous quote, "I'm a leaf in the wind, I'm a leaf in the wind, I'm a leaf in the wind." Which made it all the more funny to me. So thanks for adding that. Priceless.
This was a solid review. Its hard to keep my attention, but... here I am, 40 min later.
For me, I think I would use the 315p to do solo runs, because if I were to bring anyone else, I would use my Carack. I know that disqualifies me from the choices lol. Just say'n. Also great reviews Law, I enjoy watching your stat comparisons on the different ships. Great break down.
Excellent comparison for which I thank you. Keep it up 👍🏽
Nice vid. Loved the insane ending :)
An excellent video again ! Thank you for your work !
They need to add the need to strap on your sit before and after QT for more realism, if you don't do that force would throw you against a wall hurting you badly and/or kill you. Also needs directional extra speed like supersonic something in between afterburner and orbital QT without the need of a marker for a quick exit of situations or reaching places faster.
Nice comparison in your excellent presentation style. Thanks good tube.
The Terrapin reminds me of a sniper pair. Spotter and sniper, but here it's driver and system user(?), both made to stay out in the field for longer periods of time while relying on stealth to remain undetected while competing their mission. It's made to first and foremost protect it's crew, which is a very nice thing to see in a military ship. It's center seat could potentially be folded towards the roof when not in use to allow for additional space and it could easily be outfitted with seats for 10-20 men (if you ignore comfort) which in turn would allow it to act as a transport. I also see enough room for them to install a med bay allowing it to act as a Medevac. The circular mount-looking spot could potentially be used for a better long range directional sensor, a BFG or the new QED. I really like how it has the potential of like the black hawk chopper filling multiple roles in an army. Personally this is one of those ships i can see myself owning a long long time, constantly changing it's interior and exterior with new modules and functions. Hell it's about as big as my apartment and if added a kitchen... i wouldn't mind living there. :)
I'm fairly new to SC and thinking about what i'd do in game starting out, what ships i'd want etc. I have to say i LOVE the look and role of this ship. They really need to lean into the utility aspect and build modules to swap into that slot. I haven't pledged yet but if they had this ship in a package, yeah i'd be on board PDQ. That said I do think it needs another pass though. Maybe enlarge the cockpit for a second seat where the scan operator would sit(either side by side or inline). That would free up the center space for small cargo, medical bed, jump seats etc..
Edit: As someone new to SC your videos are invaluable in helping to understand the ships and the roles in game. You are probably the best creator right now so keep up the good work.
So... the Terrapin is basically the BSG Raptor. Cool!
I've watched this video twice now and I'm still having trouble deciding on if I want to CCU my 315 to the Pin. I like the utility that the 315 brings with the tractor beam and cargo space, but I feel so cramped and claustrophobic in it. The lack of a shower hurts a bit for me as well. I much prefer the interior feel of the Terrapin because I feel like it gives me breathing room and has the shower in addition to everything else the 315 has. The price and lack of any SCU for spare parts hurts it though.
Have you tried both terrapin and 315p?
@@aesericho3651 Last time I flew the Terrapin was at the Expo last year and thoroughly enjoyed it then. I didn't even do anything productive with it, I just flew around sight seeing with it and had a blast.
The lack of cargo grid is the biggest thing that's bothering me about it. I don't want to run cargo with it, but I would like to be able to keep some spare parts for repairs or be able to pick up a box for a mission in the future and not worry about it flying around on the inside damaging the contents or even the ship like the devs said would happen in the future.
I feel like the 315p is an extremely good deal for the price you pay compared to what you get, in a similar vein as the Cutlass Black. That's where my hesitation comes in. The future is so uncertain with the Terrapin (since it's the test bed for item 2.0) that I'm worried about not being able to do just basic things with it that the 315p could do for over 3x the price.
@@SuperGankBros I completely agree. Even 1-2 scu cargo would go a long way. I'm very optimistic with the terrapin since I have both. Hopefully it pans out.
you'd like to give it another go, let me know and I'll log in for you.
Why so if you ccu it to a pin might as well get the flying bug that is the aquila
And when physicalised items will come to play with the possibility to store them in SCUs, the fact that 315p has storage will shine in a completely new light.
I LOVE my Terrapin! One of the ships I love to fly just because it has such a unique look and the MFDs right now are 1st class. Also has a lot of quantum fuel as does any exploration type ship. Can't wait to see what data collection will be like. Bought the 315P at Flight Week and LOVE that sunroof/starroof.
I like the Terrapin, bit like the big brother of the C8 Pisces and it is a cool ship, in my R list to buy at some point :)
Thanks for this detailed video! I feel much better about the 315p I bought... four years ago.
Ive been subbed a while, and always come back through and look at the VS for thoughts. Even after a rework, your view on prior models gives a perspective to think about when considering. All that being said,... I just got so happy you pronounced Niche properly lol,... so many people say it with a hard ch and it drives me batty haha
Yea they both offer different game play for sure. The Mercury will be stealing data as appose to scanning for it. Maybe it can do a little of the other too.
That 315p is sexy AF. Surprising utility, and seems perfect for a personal ship and transport between locations.
Curious how crazy the durability of the Terrapin is if you divert all power to shields, have it landed, hulled down, and locked up. Reason I ask is if you find yourself being chased by pirates, would it be viable to bunker down and call for help? I doubt small-arms fire or even many rockets would do much to the thing.
It's still hard to judge what exploration ships are really going to be doing in the end.
Especially the smaller ones.
Still, it is worth noting the nods to their function that do show up ingame already - you can particularly see this with the 315p, since it has close relatives for other roles.
And since for various reasons I ended up with a 315p, 325a and 350r...
It's worth noting the 12 SCU of cargo of the 315 is currently the largest for anything classified as a 'small' ship. - though this will undoubtedly change once the Hull A is available.
It's also worth noting that the 315p has 700 units of Quantum fuel to the other variant's 583 units.
Which is about 20% extra. It also has the most efficient quantum drive in the lineup.
For that matter, it really stands out when flying a 325a or a 350r especially how much more quickly these variants burn through hydrogen fuel compared to a 315p.
Do a trip from lorville to Area 18 in a 350r and you'll probably be down to about 30-60% hydrogen fuel on arrival depending on how you fly and any detours you took (Especially in atmosphere)
Do the same in a 315p and you'll likely be in the 60-80% remaining fuel range, if not more.
So there's definitely some substantial changes to the 315p's endurance, even if it's still not impressive compared to larger ships.
For comparison, a 600i doing the same route will be at 90+% hydrogen fuel if you abuse it, and may even regenerate enough in atmosphere to be at 99% or even 100% on arrival if you fly more gracefully.
Of course, a 600i is also an explorer - even mine, which has a touring module. But because the 600i is modular, rather than being a set of variants, it has the same basic performance regardless of internal equipment. (meaning the touring 'variant' still has explorer grade engines and scanners.)
So... it might not be dramatic, but explorers definitely do have extended endurance...
From what I remember reading about jump points years ago, they're going to have different sized 'tunnels' you will need to manually navigate through in order to chart them. The 315p with its improved maneuverability sounds perfect for the task of mapping the smallest jump points, it could be vital for finding the most cost-effective trade routes and selling that info to haulers.
Dude the quality of your videos, those beautiful scenic shots of the vessels and space, are top notch. Cudos!
Edit: I also quite enjoy the in depth detail of the ships and the “as if they were real” mentality you take on the videos. And I don’t even play the game.
I 100% agree with your thoughts and conclusions of these two ships. I chose a Terrapin, but I also have a Freelancer DUR which satisfies the situations where I want to explore with the advantages of a cargo grid, and have more offense than a Terrapin provides.
The slip among the field. Or even to a point where they can't see you on radars do to how small a ship is in open space and have to completely rely on visual contact to even find you.
What I would like to see are manipulators for the Terrapin replacing the weapon mount like those on a submersible, what I thought one role of the terrapin was going to be.
But in the end, for what the Terrapin brings to the field it is way to much overpriced. I have the feeling it needs a second utility hardpoint at the very least.
@14:22 The Terrapin has a microwave? Where? You also mentioned the possibility of other utility items instead of the dish. I thought that is something of the past.
All in all a good video.
Only now had this thought... Terrapin with an artillery cannon. Not a gun, no direct fire option, but a long range bombardment cannon for ToW.
Great comparison here of these two ships. Loved the end of this video tho. All I could think of was..."let it run free!" :D
Great summary, thank you.
Good video. Thanks for the effort
I value empirical data recording capacity and the Terrapin has a bigger computer and sensor package for this type of work over the 300i. I have other exploration ships for my org mates to specialize in as we do coordinated exploration of a given region or space. You had an earlier videos from a year or two ago and despite some minor changes, my interpretation of the advantages of customization and specialization is still critical for getting better, faster results.
Did I hear Terrapin AWACS? Sweet
Really great video! Exactly the content i want to see bout the different ship tiers! Thanks alot:) And i must say: the winds rise strong on daymar! ;)
If they fix the nicks of the 315p's ramp, the ship would make for a nice single person "vacation" craft that gives you enough amenities to have a very comfortable 3 days of off-grid camping and bike roaming, to then go back on station and refuel, get grocieries and have a full shower.
I don't see it as something you'd use to make a profit, at least not something the 315 would be advertised for, while there's a lot more potential (narratively) for the Terrapin... The Terrapin I feel like it missed the memo on being a logistics craft, or being versatile enough that it could be repurposed for logistics so extensively: The armour should be modular, as in, multiple armour packages should be available so you can choose to wear heavy armour, or shed a few dozen tons when planning a much longer trek without direct confrontations to significantly extend your fuel range and require much less power if you mean to hover a lot in atmosphere. The amenities should be geared for a crew of 3, so it's possible to cycle one person driving, one sleeping and one resting/backup in 8-hour periods for fresher minds on the job, and the crew of 2 should be for packages where space is at a premium. And the ship should have a cargo configuration, it just doesn't sit right that it doesn't when sounds like it wants to be a Space Bradley.
Best of the rest as always, thanks for helping with this choice sir!
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@@lawofthewestgaming going terrapin, just the way to go!!
A factor now with FP mining. It is confermed that Terrapin can find hand minebel ores, 315P can not. And my reflection is that in the roll of scouting astroidsbelts, poseble landingzone's, the posbility of reveal if it is a valuble mining site or not is importent. Actually to a degree that I wonder if it is a error from CIG's side, that the 315P can not. (OMG, look at the lengt of that sentens!)
I love exploration I am holding back buying any ships in this profession untill we get more fleshed out info.
Agreed. I love the idea but EVERYTHING sounds first come first serve and they seem to have everything hand placed/painted thus leaving out the idea of finding undiscovered objects and locations as time passes.
With NPCs being reported to be capable of doing any careers a player can do means that not only are players competing with players but also with NPCs.
It would be a shame if exploration eventually gets regulated to 'salvage scouting' as anything but shipwrecks would be permanently discovered/logged/explored as ships can get wrecked dynamically all the time and get abandoned in fights or natural disasters but planets, ruins, moons, and such will not be randomized but just 'unknown at the start' until discovered, made known, and will forever remain fully exhausted in terms of discovery/exploration value.
i wish they'd flesh out exploration more, its what i do in elite throw on some music and jump to stars that no body has ever seen before.
Hard to flesh out exploration when there is no where to go..
I haven't started play much yet, but this made me very glad that I got the 315P. I am interested in the Terrapin, but it's not available right now anyway. I prefer general exploration. And grabbing some small, high value things appears to the magpie in me.
I can't recommend the Terrapin; it's too slow to run from a fight and too lightly armed to win one. Eventually the armor is overcome and I was toast. Traded it for a Freelancer max. Space trucker for me.
As far as I know armor values are still not in game currently. Just hull hp and shield hp.
At some point it would be nice for a way to place a beacon somewhere that for example has alot of minerals to mine. This way you could find your way back after selling off your finds...
Damn I love your video's, everything covered that I wanted to know.
Request, can you do video on crusader ships. Mainly mercury star runner and Hercules.
If there was a cargo hauling variant of the Terapin, I would buy one asap. I love the design
I traded my Terrapin for a MSR and I have a 315 as well. It would have been the 315 if the Terrapin would have had a med bed, storage grid or actual gameplay that benefits it right now. However, I did not trade up (to the MSR) without feeling that it was a loss in some way, as I love the Terrapin look.
I have to wonder if there will be a fix for small ground vehicles to be transported in the 315p, seems like it should a perfect fit, and would be something a luxury company would intentionally design to work together.
I like the look of the Terrapin, but I really wish it was a heavy fighter instead of Pathfinder. The heavy tank like Armor would be great for combat with slow heavy powerful turrets. Such a shame...
That's why the Hornets were produced. The UEE wanted the tankiness of the Terrapin put into a fighter form. The result was the Hornet.
Great Vie doe. What I'd like to know is fi you'll be able to fit a Ranger bike and close the cargo bay... We'll see, but good video. I do love the 315p, though I think the sensors on the Terapin will out perform the 315p's scanners, I still prefer the Origin ship (especially at the price it is).
Can't wait to go on "peaceful expeditionary missions" armed to the teeth and ready to bring peace and freedom to all the unexplored areas of the galaxy. Hell, if there was a Limited Range Environmental Alteration ship or something, discovering, securing and then terraforming areas of planets for the UEE would be my thing!
I have the 315P and a Terrapin to use as explorers based out of my 890 Jump hanger. I can't decide what my configuration will be, a 315P, and two 100 series in the hanger, or a terrapin and two 100 series ships in the hanger. I want to use the Terrapin for it's durability, I like the thought of being able to withstand attacks long enough to get back to my capitol ships shielded hanger, but it seems much more attractive to have an 890 Jump outfitted with only Origin series ships and vehicles.
i love the terrapin, such an awesome looking ship, almost like a mix of Alien dropship and Halo Dropship, mixed in with some sort of tank, just realy speaks to my aesthetics * ^^ *
Same, it just looks 'right'.
...and the blooper-reel at the end is why I used ALL of my grav-lev vehicles as LTI tokens.
Or...this is the byproduct of Hover-Mode.
You can already kiss hover mode good by. The "helicopter physics" aspect of hover mode is being ripped out in 3.7 and replaced with an IFCS proximity assist mode.
I'm not sure if this is still true (for my part, it better be, because it's the reason I bought it), but one of the main selling points of the 315p when I bought it is the ability to map the actual traversal of new or otherwise unmapped jump points. And this data will be remarkably valuable, the amount depending on what's on the other side. That's going to be the main source of income for the 315p.
The chances to discover a new jump point by an individual is very very small number 1/2.500.000, but i remember Tony Z speaking for the necessity to go re-map the jumps, and other things over and over again.
Selling data is a tricky thing it seems. Lots of communication.
Part 1: Explore until you gather data worth selling.
Part 2: Become fast friends with many different career focused people, from mining to bounty hunters.
Part 3: Sell information to people who can actually use that data and build a good rep.
There will be an in-game market for selling location data, you're not limited to only selling it to people you know. Although I'm sure many orgs will have their own internal scouting deparments who explore purely for the benefit of the org itself.
I would assume there would be a discord market place chat on top of the in game market... When I play MMOs I usually use discord chats to find clients
I would love a gunship version of this that could crew 3-4.
@36:04 that's one tough light pole!
The video I din't know I needed. Perfect!
I will get the P, but onnly as a stepping-Stone that's going to be upgraded to something more expensive, until I have the Terrrapin. ... It might be useless right now, but I'd love to use it for my Box- and Bunker missions. It's so pretty and tanky.
You gotta love the Terrapin
"Dust in the wind, all we are is dust in the wind'.
Death of a spaceman you'd still be walking home now! lol