@@eliasschremldjalways gets me in the rotary mixers subreddit…guys spending $4K on a mixer they waited almost a year for, playing tracks on scratch needles through six inch speakers pushed to their limits that are bolted inches from their turntables…
lol.... agreed . once they flood the market like the flx10s are in stock everywhere now. they move onto the next thing to hype up and backup in stock to flood out again
Pioneer DJ is under the same parent company as AlphaTheta, which is AlphaTheta, so products by Pioneer DJ will still be called „pioneer DJ“ controlers etc
They didn’t rebrand the full company, they’re using the alphatheta name as a way to test out new out there products Cdjs and other club gear will stay as pioneerdj. Alphatheta dj stuff is going to be their way of testing out new ideas and things. Pioneer dj has built its brand as being consistent and solid, and not innovative. This new branch is made so they can do some out there stuff.
@@michaelstern5616this is a great explanation that clarifies a lot of things for me, thank you. Now AlphaTheta is able to push new features and change fundamental things to try and innovate to compete with Denon and other less popular brands while keeping Pioneer gear consistent with previous products in their line
It’s a niche mixer for a very specific subset of djs. The price reflects that and pretty fair considering other things an audiophile/vinyl purists have on hand. Not sure why so many comments are confused about this. It’s impressive and the layout looks intuitive and ergonomic, but it’s not going to be found as a permanent fixture in clubs. It will be found in some home studios.
I could see this being used in some clubs with vinyl, there’s a certain amount of amount that want to experience a certain style of music and vibe. See Sunday Sessions, where we play strictly vinyl, the crowd and vibe is really cool
$3,799 and they still make you buy a separate license to use it with Serato. The company owns both Rekordbox and Serato, really? You would think at this point, since they own both software titles that any Pioneer DJ / Alpha Theta hardware would just would on both without additional licenses. Edit: Well not anymore, since the acquisition was denied by New Zealand Commerce Commission.
What a superb sounding mixer! Big and chunky too. I just like everything about this. I even get the idea that since you can pretty much shape the shound any way you please, you dont really need stems, everything can be done in the mix. Really would like to try one of these
Honestly, if I could afford it on a personal level, I would love to get one... But my goal this year was to open a listening bar and this would definitely fit right into the concept and add the level of quality we are aiming for... Dope. 👌
It's starting to feel like AlphaTheta is the brand they're using to experiment with different types of products. Pioneer DJ is the club standard so they can't mess with it too much... every change will be heavily scrutinized. With this new brand they're avoiding "Pioneer DJ introduces first rotary mixer"... I suspect the DJMs will stay under the Pioneer DJ brand for years to come, but the new and different stuff will be AlphaTheta
Warning to everyone buying and a question for alphatheta; Crossfader; will this mixer have post fader serato effects? This was a big issue that was never resolved with the Rane mp 2015. As soon as you turned the rotary down, off, cut the volume there was no echo, reverb, no tail on the effect. It was instant off. Rane blamed Serato; Serato blamed Rane and it was never addressed. This was not the case with Traktor so it wasn’t a hardware issue. Please demand Alphatheta Serato and anyone reviewing to be clear and go on record before you buy the mixer to use with Serato. Crissfader, will you please clarify if this mixer will have post fader serato effects when used with Serato Software?
While expensive for a dj mixer, its pretty good value for money if you compared this to the all hardware audiophile touring techno setup: Playdifferently Model 1.4 ($1800) + Antelope Audio Orion 32 ($2600) + 2 effects pedals ($600) = $5k.
ALPHA the maker of the crossfaders in the best scratch mixers of the golden era of hip hop DJing have made a rotary mixer. Such a well rounded company for audio innovation.
Thank you for doing this one Jamie!! What a remarkable piece of hardware. I can feel you’re in the zone on this one, and it feels like I’m ready to make a decision on this without having to go to Guitar Center to demo, lol.
This is the mixer I've been waiting years for. Unfortunately waaaay too expensive for the features and minus one key feature I want, which I will get into in a sec, but still this is a dream come true for me in many ways. It's 2024, so why can't you get a hybrid analogue-digital mixer with a soundcard, support for Serato (for me at least), rotaries on channels, and on-board effects. You would be forgiven for thinking we have seen several such products by now. Yes you have products from Allen & Heath like the Xone 96 that almost got there, but unfortunately without Serato support (maybe this was the reason....hmmmm). Nope. Apparently nobody dared to. It took Alpha-Theta, of all the potential candidates that you would have expected, to address this gap in the market. In fact, considering Alpha-Theta, or rather Pioneer DJ to date, have been playing it safe for so long on the innovation front, I'm actually surprised they actually spent the R&D money on such a product. However, the one thing I personally really wanted in such a product, one which I've wanted to see on all rotaries and only a small handful have managed to implement, is still missing. And that is a crossfader. Not necessarily for scratching, although that's cool too, but because using a crossfader is an ideal way to cut one or more channels off very quickly, especially if you are doing a 3 or even 4 channel mix, and do so immediately,. On some older mixers you had something like a kill switch or transformer from some of the older scratch mixers. Of course you could also use the source switch, but some of them introduce an audible click or there may be other issues going that route. Anyway, nice review. Personally not a fan of Pioneer DJ / Alpha-Theta, but this is a super-cool product and I like the direction Alpha-Theta have been going more recently, especially in the visual design aspect in products such as this one and the Omnis ones. Shame about the continued exorbitant prices though.
@@ShaunyWalkerIt would be, but the DB4 has been out of production for a number of years now. Also wouldn't call that a rotary mixer, despite it having the function to switch to rotary mode.
So I would like to say congratulations to AT. The mixer looks and sounds very successful to me. The price is really high but I think it does what it promises. serious product - 👍 it speaks to a smaller specific target group.
This really is one hell of a mixer and a completely different level of creativity - I love it! Thanks for this review, Jamie! I’d love to see rotary style come to a controller or an All in One. Ever since I’ve come back to mixing with my FLX-10 I’ve tended to use the rotary pots more than anything else, I love the blending of rotary pots and I’m usually out of a mix just off rotary and the fader still up. This mixer is class!
Love rotaries and have one, but also interesting wave going back to basics. Wouldn’t be surprised if we see some 2025 turntables of some sort soon…good times
One of the big benefits of rotary mixers is the low risk of dust getting into the faders. Been using them both and almost none had to be repaired for dust problems. Of course normal wear happens on both of them.
Surprised to read all the negative comments. This thing would have sent a 90s/00s Sasha and Digweed set into orbit and imagine tracks thundering through it at somewhere like Ants 😮💨
Really excited to play on one of these. On paper, I’ve got one beef though: for a $3700 mixer, this deserves a dedicated Hipass filter per channel, instead of including as an effect. Very curious how the filter sounds, as well.
Now is the time for Denon 💪DJ to step up to the plate, and hit it out of the ball park🎊 Make a rotary mixer that us mere "MORTALS" can afford, and you'll have a winner 👍on your hands. Don't get caught up in studio engineer name branding, just give us, as you always do, QUALITY and BANG for BUCK👌
This is a winner. As good as ssl consoles were they didn’t have the bottom end that neves had. The ssls were more known for mix routing/automation, the neve was a warm sounding tracking/summing beast that thumped like hell on the bottom when pushed.
That would be true for Today's DJs, but back in the 80s NY DJs like Larry Levan, Tony Humphreys, Larry Patterson and all club NJ Djs used to make the song sing using rotary cross overs. Today, listen to DJ Antwayn Qua on 107 5 WBLS IHEART RADIO ON FRIDAYS AT 8PM!°💣💥💯
I was annoyed at the release of the Omni Duo. Not so this one. The only problem with this release. It was many years later than what it should have. I completely get this though and actually can’t wait to hear what this can do on a proper system. I get people won’t understand why this exists, and that will be everyone waiting for the new cdj/xdj replacements. But for the people that have a proper system that will get the most out of it, especially from a sound perspective, yeap I’m all for it. But man Alpha Theta if you wanna send me out a demo unit, I’ll absolutely take this for a test run in the studio. See what this beast can do 👌
1st deal beaker is the price...Radio Shack mixers started it...2nd deal breaker is facts, in the 70s, 80s the club/house music DJs in NY and NJ used...URIE rotary knob mixers!
Looks lovely but it's a pioneer mixer with different knobs. If you want the real best sound, which is why you would buy one of these, you should be looking at the Isonoe ISO420.
Look into Rubert Neve. He has been at the top of the top in the analog world. That is what you are listening to at the final stage with this mixer. I have never been a pioneer fan. But, this is pro grade studio components at the digital stage and at the analog stage.Its a pro production summing mixer in a rotary dj format with effects and iso. This will change.the game from now on. Plus all music recorded since the mid 80's have been mostly recorded using computers converted to analog via SSL, API, Trident and Neve boards.
@@HouseMusicDefined I’ll look into it, thanks for the info. I have to say, after watching the review I’m into it. It’s well designed. I’d like to see some lab test results when compared to the Isonoe and some of the other well established rotaries.
@@HouseMusicDefined those transformers are only on outputs or also on inputs? Fx on this for the price are moderate at best? Why so little fx time divisions? Cashgrab
I dunno, I learned to beat match and blend and honestly I've never had the need to improve the sound quality. You can have the best mixer in the world but if the venue can have a shlt system what do you do then?
I think it’s a pretty niche device that they created for a certain type of dj. Definitely not for everyone. The person this is made for most likely plays on hifi systems or very top notch club equipment.
Two more channels would’ve probably pushed me to consider this. Rose gold on the knobs is… well, I feel silver would be more appealing… or even just a black finish. An analog filter is needed. They came so close.
I don’t think the guy mentioned it in the video but I’d assume the HPF in the effects section is an analog filter. Not sure why else it would be outlined, but idk! Maybe you’re right.
Yessir. Btw I have a SSL 6 that I use with a Xone 96. Neve, API, Trident and SSL are at the top of analog for decades. Their designs were used to create the first dj mixers in the first place.
Really missing my RANE MP2016. Thanks for the great review. You might want to check your audio which is all in mono, caused by settings either in the recording or the video export mode.
Listen I can tell you you are correct It only sounds as good as the digital file is processed. Whatever this company is smoking please stop your going to not make money with overpriced built in china equipment. There is very little market for this product. 4000.00 Your outta your mind.I own a native instrument sound card it’s the best sounding usb I have ever had and I played music from my laptop into a 20,000 dollar sound system. I doubt this unit can do anything better other than mix with dials
We used to have a saying "Talking about sound is like tap dancing about architecture." Your sound quality section did not include an audition of the product at all. It is not hard to show the sound quality. Do an AB with other mixers and render the video with Prores 422, that will be enough to get a feel. The amount of videos of endless talking about the mixer, I just want to hear it!!!
Rane mp 2015 has digital ins And the Rane mp 2015 has the best isolator till this day (with two crossover points that you can control) which is modeled after the Richard long isolator that was recreated by Rane at the request of Richard long. This is no doubt a fantastic mixer but Rane has some technology in the Mp 2015 that remains unrivaled
@@DT1One I stand corrected. Forgot about the Rane SPDIFs .. They make great mixers for sure and have done so for many many years, I doubt however Richard Long made too many suggestions on the Rane 2015 - he's been dead since 1986. On that note have a listen to the Euphonia, truly a great sounding mixer even if the price is outrageous.
@@hypercube.audio.arizona Really? Youre going to come at me like that? Re-read what I wrote. “Modeled after the Richard long isolator that was recreated by Rane at the request of Richard long.” I don’t understand how you translated that to mean that I was referring to Richard long requesting in 2015 or present tense. To be clear Richard Long created his own isolator/crossover (the rla 3000) he later requested Rane redesign it which they did and they were branded as Rane x3000 crossovers and weren’t commercially available. He later requested they design a dj mixer and the mp 24 was created. In regards to the 2015 they took the concept of the 3000 crossover that they designed when creating the isolator for the mp 2015. Check out the full compass 2015 TH-cam video; it’s mentioned there (concept of the 3000 crossover)
Yes, it's a different level. I'm not seeing it's better, it's different. Nice mixer. I like it 🎚️🎛️🎚️ And yes, this is first AlphaTheta's rotary mixer but i remember that Pioneer DJM-800 (I think) had a rotary version
Looks amazing... but the master rotary is right underneath the effects section right where your palm / wrist would be - wonder if its liable to get knocked
I believe it does sound awesome, my only doubt here is if it is 4k euros awesome when clubs have a alternate mixer (V10) with way more functions at the same price range?
Guys, for the past three days, we've been inundated with praise from top experts extolling the unique qualities of this product. Allow me to counter this overwhelming wave of words by presenting three reasons why I choose not to purchase this item: 1) There's nothing I can accomplish with a rotary mixer that I can't achieve with a fader mixer. Conversely, many functions available on a fader mixer are absent on a rotary mixer. 2) If I aim to enjoy music without digital interference, I should opt for a purely analog mixer, such as an Allen&Heath, a Formula Sound, or an Ecler. However, this product isn't purely analog. 3) It's risky to purchase a product as soon as it's released. Statistically, products tend to become more reliable after being on the market for some time. This is a general rule of thumb that has never failed me. Good luck!
Slight correction for your video intro: "Alpha Teta, the company that purchased Pioneer DJ..." It was definitely not "established" by Pioneer, not sure where you got that info from but it is totally inaccurate way to start this video
Why cant pioneer just stick to making products that most DJs want such as a new CDJ, new rev7 or s11 etc, instead of specialist crap that barely anyone is gonna be interested in. Ffs doesnt even have a crossfader
The top dj players are digital sounding, but with the dc input players and mixers , easy to add analog ultra low noise power supply.And the sound get more details, more analog and more clean.For home usage. In the clubs, i think not really matter,bcose the class d and dirty components and cheap PA drivers, and crossovers.....
A real best of both worlds would actually be if you can send the ISO to a separate channel, not hardcoded to the master like all other rottaries...but I am sure they couldn't manage to do that
Its definitely prettier to look at than the db4. But with those builtin loopers and cutoff switches I feel like the db4 is hard to beat and not really for the same kind of dj.
i can't stand rotary volume faders on mixers, it makes me sick... i'm not a dj and it's been a long time since i've used mixers (PA and studio) but i still have an aversion to rotary faders on mixers, always had, for purely esthetic stupid reasons. mixers should have linear, amps should have rotary, it's how god f intended... :) love the levels/fq analyzer display. thanks for the review.
I like it. I'd love to play some nice House records on this. Also, it's the first time that the reverb effect on AT/Pioneer stuff doesn't sound like a big metal oil drum in my opinion (on my XDJ-RX it does, but that's a bit of a different league). It also shows what digital can do if it's done right. It just looks fun to mix on, while sounding amazing. Especially with the brilliant filters and effects, enabling you to create a special atmosphere. The price is rather high though, but definitely affordable for enthusiasts or clubs who can and want to pay for it. I'd be looking forward to playing on it if I was booked for a club that has one of these. Also, nice choons you used in your demo !
Just a little suggestion, step up at least to the RX2. Not a lot of money and you see a massive improvement in sound quality. I’ve got them together some years ago and had the opportunity to compare them on the same system.
Seriously, I have a Rane MP2015 and its maybe not as amazing as this, but buying a pioneer rotary mixer is a crime considering what this company has done to the tradition of rotary mixers.
I knew it .. first off love a rotary mixer .. Rane 2016 has a special place .. but I said this just last year .. pioneer dj as brand is over … and to all my Serato people count the days .. now where did I put my credit card
The thing about these is that when you read "Never used" in a second hand ad, it's the only time you know it's true. And, yes.. that's a joke about pretending to turn knobs..
I am all about sound quality. This will be perfect for playing all my mp3s through..
and listening to it with my high quality 20$ speakers :D🤣
😂😂😂
😂😂😂
@@eliasschremldjalways gets me in the rotary mixers subreddit…guys spending $4K on a mixer they waited almost a year for, playing tracks on scratch needles through six inch speakers pushed to their limits that are bolted inches from their turntables…
trollface.jpg
Just what we needed: another cool AlphaTheta product that will never be in stock and one can never buy.
Correct
Exactly!!
lol.... agreed . once they flood the market like the flx10s are in stock everywhere now. they move onto the next thing to hype up and backup in stock to flood out again
Exactly
Move to New York and you’ll always find what you need.
How much spice did someone have to smoke to decide to rebrand Pioneer to AlphaTheta?
agree !!!.as the new products come out we see that this is the end of a beautiful pioneer era as we know it...😥
Pioneer DJ is under the same parent company as AlphaTheta, which is AlphaTheta, so products by Pioneer DJ will still be called „pioneer DJ“ controlers etc
They didn’t rebrand the full company, they’re using the alphatheta name as a way to test out new out there products
Cdjs and other club gear will stay as pioneerdj.
Alphatheta dj stuff is going to be their way of testing out new ideas and things.
Pioneer dj has built its brand as being consistent and solid, and not innovative.
This new branch is made so they can do some out there stuff.
@@michaelstern5616this is a great explanation that clarifies a lot of things for me, thank you. Now AlphaTheta is able to push new features and change fundamental things to try and innovate to compete with Denon and other less popular brands while keeping Pioneer gear consistent with previous products in their line
AlphaTheta is the new company name but the Pioneer DJ brand still exists.
It’s a niche mixer for a very specific subset of djs. The price reflects that and pretty fair considering other things an audiophile/vinyl purists have on hand. Not sure why so many comments are confused about this. It’s impressive and the layout looks intuitive and ergonomic, but it’s not going to be found as a permanent fixture in clubs. It will be found in some home studios.
I could see this being used in some clubs with vinyl, there’s a certain amount of amount that want to experience a certain style of music and vibe. See Sunday Sessions, where we play strictly vinyl, the crowd and vibe is really cool
auudiophilia is a mental illness
$3,799 and they still make you buy a separate license to use it with Serato. The company owns both Rekordbox and Serato, really? You would think at this point, since they own both software titles that any Pioneer DJ / Alpha Theta hardware would just would on both without additional licenses.
Edit: Well not anymore, since the acquisition was denied by New Zealand Commerce Commission.
It'a like apple for dj's
If ur using this with serato thats already a problem
Separate license if you already have one? I don't think so, guy. Where'd you hear that?
@@GROOVAHOLHow so? Some people play flaac files.
@@ONEHENDRIXIt literally says it in the video...
and it says it on their website
What a superb sounding mixer! Big and chunky too. I just like everything about this. I even get the idea that since you can pretty much shape the shound any way you please, you dont really need stems, everything can be done in the mix. Really would like to try one of these
Honestly, if I could afford it on a personal level, I would love to get one... But my goal this year was to open a listening bar and this would definitely fit right into the concept and add the level of quality we are aiming for... Dope. 👌
That isolator with the sends looks incredibly fun.
Spinning reggae and old school vinyl on this would be amazing
What’s “old school vinyl”?
@@funkytransport Prolly anything pre-1990/1980's to elevate and sculpt the sound of the vinyl and make it alive and crisp.
Now thats just bloody lovely perfect for bringing mixing back to the purists long 3 minute mixes
I think it looks mint!! If your into your turn tables and can afford it it would be great addition to add more effects to your set.
It's starting to feel like AlphaTheta is the brand they're using to experiment with different types of products. Pioneer DJ is the club standard so they can't mess with it too much... every change will be heavily scrutinized.
With this new brand they're avoiding "Pioneer DJ introduces first rotary mixer"... I suspect the DJMs will stay under the Pioneer DJ brand for years to come, but the new and different stuff will be AlphaTheta
Warning to everyone buying and a question for alphatheta; Crossfader; will this mixer have post fader serato effects?
This was a big issue that was never resolved with the Rane mp 2015. As soon as you turned the rotary down, off, cut the volume there was no echo, reverb, no tail on the effect. It was instant off. Rane blamed Serato; Serato blamed Rane and it was never addressed. This was not the case with Traktor so it wasn’t a hardware issue.
Please demand Alphatheta Serato and anyone reviewing to be clear and go on record before you buy the mixer to use with Serato.
Crissfader, will you please clarify if this mixer will have post fader serato effects when used with Serato Software?
James Hype loves this mixer 🥳
im 100 percent sure he will never use this one😂
Not as much as he loves himself though 😂
James Hype needs to stop putting coke up his bum hole
While expensive for a dj mixer, its pretty good value for money if you compared this to the all hardware audiophile touring techno setup: Playdifferently Model 1.4 ($1800) + Antelope Audio Orion 32 ($2600) + 2 effects pedals ($600) = $5k.
ALPHA the maker of the crossfaders in the best scratch mixers of the golden era of hip hop DJing have made a rotary mixer. Such a well rounded company for audio innovation.
Thank you for doing this one Jamie!! What a remarkable piece of hardware. I can feel you’re in the zone on this one, and it feels like I’m ready to make a decision on this without having to go to Guitar Center to demo, lol.
Great to play your ripped 320 mp3 through… the hipsters will love it though
“The weakest link in any hifi system is the source”
More like ripped 256K from youtube.
🤣🤣🤣 Right!
This is the mixer I've been waiting years for. Unfortunately waaaay too expensive for the features and minus one key feature I want, which I will get into in a sec, but still this is a dream come true for me in many ways.
It's 2024, so why can't you get a hybrid analogue-digital mixer with a soundcard, support for Serato (for me at least), rotaries on channels, and on-board effects. You would be forgiven for thinking we have seen several such products by now. Yes you have products from Allen & Heath like the Xone 96 that almost got there, but unfortunately without Serato support (maybe this was the reason....hmmmm).
Nope. Apparently nobody dared to. It took Alpha-Theta, of all the potential candidates that you would have expected, to address this gap in the market. In fact, considering Alpha-Theta, or rather Pioneer DJ to date, have been playing it safe for so long on the innovation front, I'm actually surprised they actually spent the R&D money on such a product.
However, the one thing I personally really wanted in such a product, one which I've wanted to see on all rotaries and only a small handful have managed to implement, is still missing. And that is a crossfader.
Not necessarily for scratching, although that's cool too, but because using a crossfader is an ideal way to cut one or more channels off very quickly, especially if you are doing a 3 or even 4 channel mix, and do so immediately,. On some older mixers you had something like a kill switch or transformer from some of the older scratch mixers. Of course you could also use the source switch, but some of them introduce an audible click or there may be other issues going that route.
Anyway, nice review. Personally not a fan of Pioneer DJ / Alpha-Theta, but this is a super-cool product and I like the direction Alpha-Theta have been going more recently, especially in the visual design aspect in products such as this one and the Omnis ones. Shame about the continued exorbitant prices though.
XONE DB4 would be an interesting comparison!
@@ShaunyWalkerIt would be, but the DB4 has been out of production for a number of years now. Also wouldn't call that a rotary mixer, despite it having the function to switch to rotary mode.
You can tell the sound quality and effects are superb!!
I mean it does sound incredible, but 4k incredible? That is a hard pill to swallow
@@skvlldnb9487i mean most vintage rotary mixers will run you the same, plus this comes with digital effects
No you can’t
@@funkytransport Maybe you can't
So I would like to say congratulations to AT. The mixer looks and sounds very successful to me.
The price is really high but I think it does what it promises. serious product - 👍
it speaks to a smaller specific target group.
Urei & Bozak vibes ✌😎🎧🎚🎚🎚
if not because of that price, I might consider this mixer in the future
This really is one hell of a mixer and a completely different level of creativity - I love it! Thanks for this review, Jamie! I’d love to see rotary style come to a controller or an All in One. Ever since I’ve come back to mixing with my FLX-10 I’ve tended to use the rotary pots more than anything else, I love the blending of rotary pots and I’m usually out of a mix just off rotary and the fader still up. This mixer is class!
Love rotaries and have one, but also interesting wave going back to basics. Wouldn’t be surprised if we see some 2025 turntables of some sort soon…good times
One of the big benefits of rotary mixers is the low risk of dust getting into the faders. Been using them both and almost none had to be repaired for dust problems. Of course normal wear happens on both of them.
Surprised to read all the negative comments. This thing would have sent a 90s/00s Sasha and Digweed set into orbit and imagine tracks thundering through it at somewhere like Ants 😮💨
Really excited to play on one of these. On paper, I’ve got one beef though: for a $3700 mixer, this deserves a dedicated Hipass filter per channel, instead of including as an effect. Very curious how the filter sounds, as well.
I learnt on a rotary mixer and much prefer than a standard mixer! Would invest in a master sounds over a pioneer all day long.
Why? This is probably better than Mastersounds rotary in many ways.
@@morlidor all put together in a Chinese sweatshop 🤷♂️👎
@@chrismurray3198
More likely manufactured in a high tech factory.
Now is the time for Denon 💪DJ to step up to the plate, and hit it out of the ball park🎊
Make a rotary mixer that us mere "MORTALS" can afford, and you'll have a winner 👍on your hands.
Don't get caught up in studio engineer name branding, just give us, as you always do, QUALITY and BANG for BUCK👌
This mixer has changed how manufacturers can move forward. Just think if Denon makes a rotary mixer with SSL on the output stage.
This is a winner.
As good as ssl consoles were they didn’t have the bottom end that neves had. The ssls were more known for mix routing/automation, the neve was a warm sounding tracking/summing beast that thumped like hell on the bottom when pushed.
99% of DJs will just turn the 3 Band Master-EQ to the right and leave it there for the whole set. 😅
That would be true for Today's DJs, but back in the 80s NY DJs like Larry Levan, Tony Humphreys, Larry Patterson and all club NJ Djs used to make the song sing using rotary cross overs. Today, listen to DJ Antwayn Qua on 107 5 WBLS IHEART RADIO ON FRIDAYS AT 8PM!°💣💥💯
I was annoyed at the release of the Omni Duo. Not so this one. The only problem with this release. It was many years later than what it should have.
I completely get this though and actually can’t wait to hear what this can do on a proper system. I get people won’t understand why this exists, and that will be everyone waiting for the new cdj/xdj replacements. But for the people that have a proper system that will get the most out of it, especially from a sound perspective, yeap I’m all for it.
But man Alpha Theta if you wanna send me out a demo unit, I’ll absolutely take this for a test run in the studio. See what this beast can do 👌
Easier just to buy it yourself
@@krazy2094 Yeah only problem in Australia it costs $7.6k.
Who wants to buy a kidney of mine 😂
@@subliminalentertainment woohoo I’ll make that easy in a month
Screw brands that use Rupert Neve’s name for marketing purposes. Everyone can put transformers in circuits these days.
1st deal beaker is the price...Radio Shack mixers started it...2nd deal breaker is facts, in the 70s, 80s the club/house music DJs in NY and NJ used...URIE rotary knob mixers!
Nope! They used Bozak, GLI and Urei!
@@morlidor Sir, you are absolutely correct 👏...
Looks lovely but it's a pioneer mixer with different knobs. If you want the real best sound, which is why you would buy one of these, you should be looking at the Isonoe ISO420.
yes!!!!!
Look into Rubert Neve. He has been at the top of the top in the analog world. That is what you are listening to at the final stage with this mixer. I have never been a pioneer fan. But, this is pro grade studio components at the digital stage and at the analog stage.Its a pro production summing mixer in a rotary dj format with effects and iso. This will change.the game from now on. Plus all music recorded since the mid 80's have been mostly recorded using computers converted to analog via SSL, API, Trident and Neve boards.
@@HouseMusicDefined I’ll look into it, thanks for the info. I have to say, after watching the review I’m into it. It’s well designed. I’d like to see some lab test results when compared to the Isonoe and some of the other well established rotaries.
@@HouseMusicDefined those transformers are only on outputs or also on inputs?
Fx on this for the price are moderate at best? Why so little fx time divisions? Cashgrab
I dunno, I learned to beat match and blend and honestly I've never had the need to improve the sound quality.
You can have the best mixer in the world but if the venue can have a shlt system what do you do then?
I think it’s a pretty niche device that they created for a certain type of dj. Definitely not for everyone. The person this is made for most likely plays on hifi systems or very top notch club equipment.
The sound is everything, I added a Xone 96 to my Technics and CDJs set up - it sounds awesome and makes you smile and want to play more.
I pre-ordered a week ago, and I can't wait for mine to arrive.
Two more channels would’ve probably pushed me to consider this. Rose gold on the knobs is… well, I feel silver would be more appealing… or even just a black finish. An analog filter is needed. They came so close.
Alpha will be devastated with your honest opinion I don’t know why they even bothered going into business.
I don’t think the guy mentioned it in the video but I’d assume the HPF in the effects section is an analog filter. Not sure why else it would be outlined, but idk! Maybe you’re right.
Crazy price but this thing kinda blew my mind with the SQ of the filters. Wear decent headphones while watching this. Butter smooth and crisp.
LOL
NY and NJ Club DJs like Tony Humphreys been using Rotary Mixers they were branded by...UREI. PIONEER AND RANE jumped on the bandwagon
"world's most expensive mixer"? oh, my sweet summer child... you have no idea.
Haven't heard of the Orbit 6 then :)
The best of both worlds is usually a trade-off game...I really like to try it out on a fidelity bench to check that claim
At this point, i dont want what alphatheta is selling, i want whatever they're smoking
😂😂😂
Mojaxx already said you can't use a RMX500/1000 with this mixer because you'll get phase issues.
That sounds weird. I think you can use those effects wirh this mixer if you connect and adjust them properly.
it looks beautiful. i want it
I'm all about this.. I don't understand all the hate - looks epic
the pricing, that's why
Love this mixer
Considering a Neve console can go for over a 100 grand I'm guessing the price is justified ?
Yessir. Btw I have a SSL 6 that I use with a Xone 96. Neve, API, Trident and SSL are at the top of analog for decades. Their designs were used to create the first dj mixers in the first place.
@@HouseMusicDefined
Whose designs?
DJ mixers have been arouind for a long time!
This mixer is sick. Still love my v10 though.
The way this would sound on some good ole funk music mix.. take my damn money
Really missing my RANE MP2016. Thanks for the great review. You might want to check your audio which is all in mono, caused by settings either in the recording or the video export mode.
Such a shame that it doesn’t have any analog effects. Unfortunately I can’t see this product doing well although it seems great.
I think it will do very well among discerning DJs Cluns and Bars all over the world.
Rotary is great for smooth blending & beat matching Ihave the xone 92, but hip hop djs need to stick to the fader mixers, for scratching & cutting.
Watching club DJs trying hard to sell this is brilliant.
“It sounds so good”
Whilst playing tracks on 320kps 😂
Listen I can tell you you are correct It only sounds as good as the digital file is processed. Whatever this company is smoking please stop your going to not make money with overpriced built in china equipment. There is very little market for this product. 4000.00 Your outta your mind.I own a native instrument sound card it’s the best sounding usb I have ever had and I played music from my laptop into a 20,000 dollar sound system. I doubt this unit can do anything better other than mix with dials
You're seeing the wrong djs if they're not playing aiff. Haven't touched an mp3 in a decade
We used to have a saying "Talking about sound is like tap dancing about architecture." Your sound quality section did not include an audition of the product at all. It is not hard to show the sound quality. Do an AB with other mixers and render the video with Prores 422, that will be enough to get a feel. The amount of videos of endless talking about the mixer, I just want to hear it!!!
Key feature - digital ins for CDJs - no other rotary has them. Serato, Rekord box native. Cant wait to see how this will sound on my GS Wavestack ..
Rane mp 2015 has digital ins
And the Rane mp 2015 has the best isolator till this day (with two crossover points that you can control) which is modeled after the Richard long isolator that was recreated by Rane at the request of Richard long.
This is no doubt a fantastic mixer but Rane has some technology in the Mp 2015 that remains unrivaled
@@DT1One I stand corrected. Forgot about the Rane SPDIFs .. They make great mixers for sure and have done so for many many years, I doubt however Richard Long made too many suggestions on the Rane 2015 - he's been dead since 1986. On that note have a listen to the Euphonia, truly a great sounding mixer even if the price is outrageous.
@@hypercube.audio.arizona
Really?
Youre going to come at me like that?
Re-read what I wrote. “Modeled after the Richard long isolator that was recreated by Rane at the request of Richard long.”
I don’t understand how you translated that to mean that I was referring to Richard long requesting in 2015 or present tense.
To be clear Richard Long created his own isolator/crossover (the rla 3000) he later requested Rane redesign it which they did and they were branded as Rane x3000 crossovers and weren’t commercially available. He later requested they design a dj mixer and the mp 24 was created.
In regards to the 2015 they took the concept of the 3000 crossover that they designed when creating the isolator for the mp 2015. Check out the full compass 2015 TH-cam video; it’s mentioned there (concept of the 3000 crossover)
Yes, it's a different level. I'm not seeing it's better, it's different. Nice mixer. I like it 🎚️🎛️🎚️
And yes, this is first AlphaTheta's rotary mixer but i remember that Pioneer DJM-800 (I think) had a rotary version
It was even earlier than the DJM 3000Rotary. Reminds me of this one
can't wait for the sliding pot mods
Looks amazing... but the master rotary is right underneath the effects section right where your palm / wrist would be - wonder if its liable to get knocked
beauty tune to demo man
I believe it does sound awesome, my only doubt here is if it is 4k euros awesome when clubs have a alternate mixer (V10) with way more functions at the same price range?
This will sound better because of the Rubert Neve transformers. It even warms up the digital stage as well.
Xone DB4 also has a rotary switch from line faders, I would really be keen to hear the comparison between that DJ mixer with this one. 🐽🎧🐽🎼
Alpha Theta should focus on getting their products shipped and in stock. Not sure if making more products is the way to go atm.
I am a gear junkie, I will probably buy it
Guys, for the past three days, we've been inundated with praise from top experts extolling the unique qualities of this product. Allow me to counter this overwhelming wave of words by presenting three reasons why I choose not to purchase this item: 1) There's nothing I can accomplish with a rotary mixer that I can't achieve with a fader mixer. Conversely, many functions available on a fader mixer are absent on a rotary mixer. 2) If I aim to enjoy music without digital interference, I should opt for a purely analog mixer, such as an Allen&Heath, a Formula Sound, or an Ecler. However, this product isn't purely analog. 3) It's risky to purchase a product as soon as it's released. Statistically, products tend to become more reliable after being on the market for some time. This is a general rule of thumb that has never failed me. Good luck!
I agree these people reviews are product pushers. Sorry this is not want people want or need
@@roymoxley2587
I believe a lot of people actually really want this mixer! Wheather they need it or not!
Slight correction for your video intro: "Alpha Teta, the company that purchased Pioneer DJ..."
It was definitely not "established" by Pioneer,
not sure where you got that info from but it is totally inaccurate way to start this video
Why cant pioneer just stick to making products that most DJs want such as a new CDJ, new rev7 or s11 etc, instead of specialist crap that barely anyone is gonna be interested in. Ffs doesnt even have a crossfader
They do, alpha theta just tries something different, don't be that bothered about that 😂
Pioneer junk with rotary dials ?
With Technology today they probably manufactured that mixer in China or Taiwan for $100 each!
No they did not. It has some expensive components..
Rotary knobs OR Linear faders? No matter what you use it doesn't matter. What is matter is the quality of the components inside!
The top dj players are digital sounding, but with the dc input players and mixers , easy to add analog ultra low noise power supply.And the sound get more details, more analog and more clean.For home usage. In the clubs, i think not really matter,bcose the class d and dirty components and cheap PA drivers, and crossovers.....
A real best of both worlds would actually be if you can send the ISO to a separate channel, not hardcoded to the master like all other rottaries...but I am sure they couldn't manage to do that
Alpha recording system is the rotary mixer for me
Thank you
print the amp sound on some audio like an analog plugin and you can show us the sound of it
what camera did you record this video with
I am really curious to know how this would compare to the Xone DB4 mixer
Its definitely prettier to look at than the db4. But with those builtin loopers and cutoff switches I feel like the db4 is hard to beat and not really for the same kind of dj.
@@bikesbeersbeats👍 I with you on that!
✌😎Cheers
Why?
sound quality and rotary customization
Wow...in a related story, Rolls Royce announces the release of a new jet engine for vacuum cleaners & push lawnmowers.
How does it go with digital as opposed to vinyl?! ie. Denon SC6000's / CDJ's...
Seems reallt silly, but would love to see black coffee using this
PHAAHAHHAHHAHAAHHAH
Very interesting
Would love to try this with some of my old nineties hip-hop vinyl, but I have a feeling it'll be slightly out of budget...
I think this is a great idea for hi end house clubs to replace the MP 2016. Alpha theta is hitting the ground running !
So does the fx bpm auto-detect vinyl bpm? So you actually know the bon of your vinyl if you’re mixing analogue and digital?
I don't think so.. you've to use just ears for that 😉
i can't stand rotary volume faders on mixers, it makes me sick...
i'm not a dj and it's been a long time since i've used mixers (PA and studio) but i still have an aversion to rotary faders on mixers, always had, for purely esthetic stupid reasons. mixers should have linear, amps should have rotary, it's how god f intended... :)
love the levels/fq analyzer display. thanks for the review.
Who remembers the UREI 1620?
fan of the big knobs and buttenz.. something about the big knobs and buttons on gear.
I like it. I'd love to play some nice House records on this. Also, it's the first time that the reverb effect on AT/Pioneer stuff doesn't sound like a big metal oil drum in my opinion (on my XDJ-RX it does, but that's a bit of a different league). It also shows what digital can do if it's done right. It just looks fun to mix on, while sounding amazing. Especially with the brilliant filters and effects, enabling you to create a special atmosphere. The price is rather high though, but definitely affordable for enthusiasts or clubs who can and want to pay for it. I'd be looking forward to playing on it if I was booked for a club that has one of these. Also, nice choons you used in your demo !
Just a little suggestion, step up at least to the RX2. Not a lot of money and you see a massive improvement in sound quality. I’ve got them together some years ago and had the opportunity to compare them on the same system.
Denon DJ Fanboy, I am, made in England sopunds for good DJ Quality, for me, yes i agree, Alpha is Alpha, THX for the Video... stay tuned MEn
im not DJ but I want this for some ungodly reason.
It's not even close to being the most expensive DJ mixer, the Union Audio Orbit 6, for example, is £5490...
Seriously, I have a Rane MP2015 and its maybe not as amazing as this, but buying a pioneer rotary mixer is a crime considering what this company has done to the tradition of rotary mixers.
So will this be in clubs or is this something for rich DJs?
guess. go ahead. guess.
@@ChristianCalson for rich cocky DJs
im sold
I knew it .. first off love a rotary mixer .. Rane 2016 has a special place .. but I said this just last year .. pioneer dj as brand is over … and to all my Serato people count the days .. now where did I put my credit card
So what's your expectation ? Denon to overtake them or completely new(new or old in the industry) player ?
If it actually makes vinyl sound better as in sharper and fresher then it might be a game changer it looks amazing.
I think this mixer would really thrive in a hybrid DJ setup with say some synths and a drum machine or a sampler
Efxs and Serato built in? Take my money 💰 😭
The thing about these is that when you read "Never used" in a second hand ad, it's the only time you know it's true.
And, yes.. that's a joke about pretending to turn knobs..
Some Goof from McKensey told them it was a great idea