Behringer TD-3 (Yellow Edition) Filter In Option explained; feat. Behringer Model D with examples
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ส.ค. 2024
- In this video, I go quickly through the options that the Behringer TD-3 has to offer with the filter in jack. I use my TD-3 Yellow Edition and my Model D to show how you can shape the sound with routing additional VCOs into the TD-3 and using its onboard filter, envelope and distortion to create new sounds.
This is not a sponsored video - it's my stuff, bought from my money and I'm doing this for fun and education :-) (just saying)
The hardware I used:
Behringer TD-3 Yellow Edition
Behringer Model D
The video was recorded with OBS.
The audio was recorded in Ableton live, where the audio of the voice got some compression and EQ.
The TD-3 sounds are all raw without any FX.
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Perhaps the most underrated feature of the TD-3
This was immediately what I wanted to do when I looked at my my modular rig 😂
This is so cool thanks. I have both the Behringer TD-3 as well as Model D. Didn't realize you could do this so easily.. adding 3 extra voices yet still utilizing the sequencer and filter on the TD-3.
Thanks for the feedback :-) Yeah, its a neat little trick. With lots of potential. I mean you can also use any other synth. Reminds me to try this out with the ARP 2600...
Thanks for this video. I had already ordered a TD-3 thinking the filter in could be lots of fun. Now I see that it is. 😁
Yes... you can have so much fun with it. For the price point its really a lot in this little box.
If you set, the waveform - switch, in the middle postion (it doesn't click, but it's possible), the internal oscillator, of the TD - 3, will be turned off. So, you have just the external source.
Thanks!👊 I wonder if that means you can swap the switch with an on/off/on so it stays off🤔✌️
Take a look here: www.amazona.de/community/test-behringer-td-3-durchleuchtet-jetzt-und-hier/
Ok, its in German, but you can see all of the inside. And with a little looking, you will find the soldering points of the switch in the photos. looks like a total standard switch. So if you choose the right size on/off/on switch that should be possible. No guarantee though ;-)
@@NewElectronicFrontier exactly why I came here. Thanks for that!
@@els1f yeah, you should be able to install a second switch wich completely cuts the internal oscillators.
The oscillator selector doesn't seem to completely cut the internal sound unfortunately, but this may vary between units.
Can you not just send an external signal through the filter without turning on the sequencer? I’m sure there would be a small amount of noise added by the unit, but I’m okay with that.
If anyone reading this, has done a google search for the Roland EM 101, it's a polyphonic analog "Juno" in a box, which itself without filters works really well using this method (using midi instead of CV).
Simply take the mono out, and patch it to filter in on the TD 3 (probably does stereo ? Not sure).
The behringer TD 3 brings amazing life to the Roland EM 101 analog polysynth.
Very cool - thanks for sharing! Good to point out: you can literally run any synth/sound source in the filter (given the right voltage) and the filter will add some magic (given you like the 303 filter 😬).
Nice first video Kai, keep them coming!
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With just the TD-3 - Taking the mono out into a reverb pedal, and then back into the filter in gives some batshit craziness with the distortion turned on.
Nice idea - will try that (and can already imagine what's going to happen) 🤣 love that! Thanks for the comment
so nasty
Danke für die Inspiration.. muss ich gleich mal ausprobieren 👍
I had no idea that's what that bit is for lol. Nice! I'm totally new to all this stuff.
Then welcome to the journey. But be careful - patching synths is addictive 😉
The yellow is the best one, you definitely makes better acid with a smiley on it ! :D
It definitely is. Makes me smile every time I use it. Simple, but instantly shifts your mood ☺️
My RD-6 AM came a couple of days ago.
Now my TD-3 AM has a friend to play with.
And...? Cool?
Thanks. Would have never thought of that...
It's not intuitive to do that... and the manual doesn't describe it either ;-) But its fun!
@@NewElectronicFrontier Yea, seems like it makes both units have more options. Cant beat that...
very cool! been looking for something like this, how I can utilize td3 and model d via patch panel; it's something new for me, I know only digital synths and thanks to B-ringer I am getting into analog world
Very interesting!!!!! Thank you! 🙏🙏🙏
Press play on td 3 and turn the volume off. The sequence will play on model d and it is amazing
Yes! I tried that (but did not record it - you know time...). It's so much fun with this little box.
@@NewElectronicFrontier I was able to record and I got some great old school sounds.
I have used the phones out, youtube, sh01a, tb03, JU06a into the filter in
Nice. Any example of this? Sounds interesting...
My yellow 303 came in today :3
Enjoy it 😊 I love that machine.
I have the td303 since December I haven't tried this yet! but I will tomorrow! Thanks Great video 👍
I'm not sure I understand, which might be due to my inexperience with voltage control. But is the CV out of the TD-3 causing modulation to the waveforms on the Model D, with the Model D then sending the audio back through the TD-3 filter?
Actually the CV out of the TD-3 (which is what the sequencer plays) determines the pitch of the oscillators on the Model D. So basically you get the same notes from TD-3 sequencer from TD-3 itself, plus the same notes played on the Model D. And those feed into to the filter, meaning you can create a fat 4 osc sound. And then you could for sure detune the oscs on the Model D to do more funky stuff.
@@NewElectronicFrontier Thanks, man. I really appreciate the explanation and the video. I just ordered my TD-3 and I'm awaiting for it to arrive!
Have fun! It's a great machine and pretty near to the original. Lots of good sound in there 😎
Would be nice if there was a way to turn off the internal oscillators when using FILTER IN, just to see what'd sound like. I bet it could be modded with a switch to do this.
I guess so. A quick look via google did not really bring clear results. But the signal flow is quite straight forward. It shouldn’t be too hard to find out how to break the circuit right before the filter in with a switch. If you find something, please let me know 🙏
@@NewElectronicFrontier I figured out an easy way to do it without any mods. I speculated that I could set the slider switch in the middle between square and saw wvae on the TD-3 and it would be silent. Sure enough it worked :) All I hear is the external VCO. I have it hooked up to Mutable Insruments Plaits right now trying out various synthesis models including wavefolding, granular, vowel & speech synthesis. Also experimented overdriving the VCO output first before plugging into TD-3... much better distortion in my opinion compared to the distortion switch. The various plaits models sound WILD through the TD-3 lol.. especially the Vowel & Speech model.
Thanks for the advice! Gotta figure out how to get a sub osc that doesn't cut low end when you give the filter some resonance.
I can't believe how cheap this box was! Would rather have an updated sequencer, but so cheap....
I' ve tried everything I can think of to get the TD3 filter-in to function. I think I may have a defective synth. The online manual is useless. But maybe I'm missing something. I've plugged 3 different synths in, a Korg Volca FM, a Korg Monotron and a Behringer VS Pro Mini. None of them do anything but briefly I think the Monotron was running through the TD3 while running a sequence. This leads me to believe there is a short inside the machine, but I don't really know. Very frustrated.
Sorry to hear this 😕 but yes, that sounds like a broken jack or cable. Usually it's super straight forward...
what is the difference in prices with td3? i see many different colours and prices depend on colour??
Not any more. In the beginning the yellow one was a bit more expensive. But nowadays all are same priced usually. Only the td3 mo is more expensive due to the modified options.
Is there any functional difference with the yellow version or just the Color ($50more than any other Color of TD-3)
No functionality different- really just the color. Really depends on the market how the pricing works - I got mine for the same price…
Some great sounds you got out of it! Did you do the vid going over the TD3 sequencer?
Thanks for the feedback! Always wanted to dive into the sequencer... But always fell behind on my ToDo list 🤷♂️ also I found for me and my workflow I use either midi over other sequencing sources (like a daw or Mpc) or the synthtool to program quickly what I need...
@@NewElectronicFrontier haha that is fair enough! I will refer back to this video you did on the TD3 anyway, really helpful. Cheers!
Hi! Can you sync the alesis sr16 drum machine via midi with the TD3? Thanks
Hey Marco! If you want to use it with the internal sequencer: yes. It takes external clock signals via midi.
@@NewElectronicFrontier okay thanks for your reply
Thanks for the inspiration
Thanks for the feedback!
Are my eyes (and tiny phone screen) deceiving me, or are the LEDs yellow as well?
Hey Chris! Actually the one above the Smiley IS really a yellow one :-) The rest however is plain standard red ones.
Love this :)
Great video thanks! Also If anyone is interested here is a couple more cool features of the td3's filter cv in: the filter cv in on the td3 can be used as a modulation input to modulate its cutoff frequency so somehow the td3's filter cv input performs double duties 1 as an audio input and 2 as a filter cutoff modulation input, here is a video showing this technique th-cam.com/video/3XQ52GfVdbM/w-d-xo.html go to the 19:18 mark of that video (there's a marker in the description of that video) to see what I'm talking about, also you can do the classic headphones out of the td3 to filter cv in of the td3 to have it overdrive its own filter: th-cam.com/video/-RdDIYdxkLc/w-d-xo.html
again thanks for the video, can't wait to try your technique!
Hey there! Great links and additions :-) I get the idea behind it. I guess for both options its worth to dive in deeper - especially the Filter Modulation. If I find the time I'll play around with both option and see where it goes. Probably worth a longer video on that, which checks out the bandwidth of what's possible there!
@@NewElectronicFrontier that would be great to see can't wait!
So, I actually had 10 min to pull out my scope and check the stuff from the 2 videos. For the LFO to Filter in: there is some Filter Modulation going on and if you crank in the LFO speed quite high it makes some interesting sounds, but It's not like you would modulate the filter in a Voltage Controlled Filter on a modular rig. There is some effect, but subtle at the beginning and (at least for the first try) hard to control and totally wild at the end. I will play around a bit more and see if it's worth to make a video.
For the Phones to Filter in: I tried it. You can get the effect, if really like all knobs are turned to the right already. Also only with the distortion dialed in heavy. You get quite some extra crunch, but it also takes away some of the "singing" that the 303 makes so loveable. I'm kind of undecided here. There is some self distortion. But I'm not sure yet if it's my taste. I guess I would more go for an external distortion effect. But yes - the old trick works. Only the question if old is gold, or just old in this case. :-) I'll also work on that a bit and see if I can get some sound examples that make sense for a video.
@@NewElectronicFrontier very cool! thanks for taking the time to do that! yes I've read on a forum I don't remember which one that that lfo modulation behavior is really weird and hard to control and unusual for sure but still kinda cool that it works at least a little at modulating the filter somewhat even if it isn't the usual behavior as that gives you an extra sonic option with the machine I also read someone using a trs cable instead of a ts cable and getting different results but haven't verified that yet myself, but a video of you showing what you did with your measurements would definetly be an awesome video or if you figure out how to control it to modulate like a regular lfo would be an awesome tutorial video as well! Also I tried the old headphones out to cv on my td 3 today myself and did notice the same thing, it didn't exactly add much distortion more like it adds a subtle distortinon and more high end, especially if you have the built in distortinon enabled I noticed some nice sounds even with some knobs at halfway but to really hear it the resonance had to be at least over the halfway mark but it can also be another useful sound in some situations adding an extra flavor to the machine, don't know if it's worth a whole video about it unless maybe you could somehow show some measurements of what it's actually doing that would be really interesting at least imo! Thanks again!
Here you go. Don't know why my voice over is a bit shaky, but still the video gets the point (I think). Enjoy! th-cam.com/video/atzRKlAaGhY/w-d-xo.html
Great video man, I’ve experimented with this but, on reflection, I would’ve much preferred a CV in to control the filter... Far more useful methinks... I’m sure there’s a mod out there for it... I have tried mapping an LFO into the filter in, after watching a video, but it’s more of an FM effect rather than direct CV control. Peace✌️
Thanks man! Yeah, some proper CV ins would have been really nice. I'm not yet there to get the soldering iron out... I played also around with the Filter in and an LFO, and yes, it's FM (IMHO). th-cam.com/video/atzRKlAaGhY/w-d-xo.html so no real LFO control possible, but rather some interesting sounds you might not use in every track, but sometimes... it's just what you need ;-)
This is so great - thank you for making this. Now my only problem is timing... Do you know a good way to sync the tempo of the TD-3 to a MPC?
Thanks for the feedback! Not having an MPC I see two ways that can work. 1) simply via MIDI clock. MPC MIDI out to TD-3 MIDI in. MPC must be set to send MIDI clock (I assume there is some setting for that...) and TD-3 to receive it (afaik this is standard set). Start the MPC - TD-3 should also start. 2) via clock signal. The TD-3 has an input jack for this (top row second from left "Sync In"). With this you can sync with analogue equipment. Not sure if any of the MPCs has a clock out though.
Hope that points you in the right direction!
@@NewElectronicFrontier Thank you kind sir. I am definitely curious to try the clock signal... both the multi-prong Midi and the USB A - B have yielded imperfect results.
@@BrandonSheaLocke on what regards imperfect result?
Make sure the td-3 is set to sync via midi (hold buttons "write/next" and "back" then push button "D", also marked "midi")
To play notes via incoming midi you must set the midi channel to the same channel as the MPC, or whatever external devices you are using. This is done in normal mode. You press and hold the function button. One of the keys 1-8 will light up, this is the current midi channel for the td-3. Choose wich channel you want by pressing the corresponding button. While doing this, you can also push the pattern A/B buttons. Pattern B will show what midi channel the td-3 is sending on (this is for controlling other gear via outgoing midi)
Right now im trying to do this using a volca bass, I have the audio out of headphones going into filter in on td3. I was expecting I could mix these 2 like you' ve done but getting nothing out the Volca, can one know where im going wrong?
Hey Pete! Thanks for watching. I am by no means an electrical expert here, but I think its about the voltage output difference between a headphone jack and an oscillator. The headphone jacks level has an output of
I have a Volca Beat. Its headphone output is the same signal on both channels. Volca Bass is probably the same.
This means that anything that treats it as a balanced mono signal will get silence! Because it inverts one channel then adds them together.
The proper solution is to get a stereo-to-two-mono cable, and just use one of the monos for your In.
The dirty solution is to push the "In" plug part-way in, until you hear something. Then avoid nudging it!
Ok but can you send audio through it without having the td3 playing with it?
Hey Wesley! I just checked it quickly. For that doesn't work. I guess its due to the original signal flow design of the TB303 that Behringer copied (akaik). The filter needs to get a gate signal to let the signal through to the VCA. tinyloops has a nice diagram: tinyloops.com/tb303/sound_signalflow.html That means that you would need the TD-3 to emit a gate signal without a note. Not sure if that can be done. Sorry.
You can put the oscillator selector switch in between sawtooth and pulse, wich almost completely cuts out the internal sound.
Note that the td-3 doesn't have an option to disconnect the envelope generator completely, so you will need to open it via the internal sequencer or incoming midi signal, or no sound will come through.
@@JH-lo9ut Just came back to this video to post this trick if someone else hadn’t but you beat me! Another little hidden gem.
der sound ist toll, aber ich hadere immer noch mit dem internen sequencer, gibt es irgendwo eine ganz einfache Anleitung dazu?
Moin! Versuchs mal hiermit megasynth.de/workshops/roland-tb-303-patterns-programmieren/
Aber ich verwende meist einfach das Tool von Behringer. Geht so viel fixer. Ist natürlich nicht so puristisch, wie lot der Hardware direkt zu basteln, aber für mich besser. Am Sequencer haben sich ja seit dem Original schon immer die Geister geschieden....
is it normal, that you have to crank the volume on your device that you feed into the -Filter in-, so that you get a decent volume out of it?
Hmmm... I would say depends on the device you are feeding in. With the model D I anyways have the volume 75/80% up. But of you have a device with less output, you would need to crank it up...
Could you do this with the Crave instead of Model D?
Sure thing. I am thinking about some nice things that may be possible. You subscribed already? Stay tuned. I guess I need 2-3 weeks to make something.
how the hell did you get the yellow one already ? They dont release until june here in North America.
@@NewElectronicFrontier its ok, I am happy for you! 😭
Thomann and Behringer are both german based. When the Td-3 came out, it seemed to me that a few german shops, like Thomann, had a deal with Uli, because it was impossible to buy the synth in shops outside of Germany. Even in Italy, where I live, it was impossibile. This thing went on for a few weeks, and I bought it at Musicstore (german online store) before the first batch arrived in italy.
Yeah, actually I preordered it and had contact with Thomann upfront and asked them if the unit will REALLY be available. I guess I still was lucky...
I bought mine beginning of lock down in UK,March/April time.
Probably coz we're so close to Europe.
Although I think they're all made in China lol
This would be good with an 8 bit keyboard
Nice explique! Thanks. Just received me yellow one the other day and, of course, went straight in. The manual makes it seem like you lose the TD-3 sound if you use the filter in, but I could tell I wasn't when I used it ... so thanks for clearing that up. Cheers. ^_^
Happy to help! I thought the same. Actually that was one thing that made me look into it. Behringer makes great hardware, but they really suck with the manuals... But better this way around, then the other :-)
@@NewElectronicFrontier Haha, too true.
Will this work with the korg monotron delay?
In don’t have the monotron... But for sure you could feed the monotron's output into the filter in. Not sure what it will sound like as Usually delay and stuff com after the filter in the signal chain. But probably that is exactly why it's worth a shot.
Basically the filter in accepts everything line level.
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I wonder what the Td-3-MO would add with respect to patching it into Model D and/or Euorrack.
That would be cool yeah... but I haven't one of those. Also I see the price for the upgrade not really there for me...
The TD-3-MO is an incredible bargain… Since you have already “bought in” to the validity of an authentic clone of a vintage rare classic synth. The Mods of a 303 original $$$ynth into the debilfish would be in the thousands of dollars. Versus $200-250 with free shipping. IMHO it’s a no brainer.
The only difficulty, really, is learning, taming, then unleashing the MO version.
P.S. plus more than double the patch points for synth & eurorack setups = Mind Blown🤯 in a good way
@@michaelherleman8200 about to sell it because there is so little space for errors which throw you in anger chirp zone, basically all the wild moves of acid end up surrounded by narrow walls of unusable sounds. love the sound of it when its good but yeah...
@@IvanLebowski-mu8wy I hear ya. And, I’d like to make a suggestion, since it’s worked for me. I “learned,” or broke down the proclivities of the 303, by playing with the app Troublemaker by Bram Bos, which adds an LFO, a rate knob, a delay, timing knob, feedback, fuzz, &&& wave folding, to nearly two handfuls of waveforms to a software emulation of the 303. This “understanding” for me, completely, allows me to patch my MO, into hardware without losing the thread, until I want to ;) My first hurdle, after relishing in the utter chaos of the possibilities, was How do it Bark? Then, well, Wanda Wot ‘n LFO do?
@@michaelherleman8200 i found that self patching cv out to slide in or accent in etc creates some nice effects and mitigates the chirp a little or gives it almost pad like features but amazingly feels kind of inflexible...the sequencer while historic is unneeded and would love to see a td3 without it, like an mb33, would be nicer
should be dope with my microbrute
When you try out please drop a comment here, if it works the same way! Probably also for the other videos (LFO to filter in for FM sounds and headphone out to filter in for overdrive). I would love to know if it works with the micro brute 😊 had to sell mine. Too much redundant gear in too little space 🥺
I’m also curious about this combo
great video but may i ask why you didnt attach also the gate?
Simple answer is: no need. The design of classic synth the gate comes pretty much at the end of the process, where the VCA takes action. So most sound design (osc, filter) takes place before that step. You can look it up here: images.app.goo.gl/As3GVmMda4Kb9oBX7
So basically you just "need" the OSC of the eternal synth and the gate will be provided by the TD-3. So if you would use the gate also, you would have kind of a double gating to the external synth voice. Makes not too much sense, but probably worth a shot for the sound design sphere. If you "just" want to enrich the TD-3, you don't need it.
New Electronic Frontier thanks for such a clear response makes sense :D
You are welcome. And: you really made me want to try it out :-D So if I have the time in the next days, I will actually play around with the "Double-Gate". I have no idea how this will sound (and if) in real life... but that's about synthies, right? always trying out new stuff.
i got the dam blue
Would've been my choice until they announced the yellow one. And I was sold (and had to wait). Damn marketing :-D