jingles, you've forgotten to mention Odin's party trick! if you spec it right, you can get the secondaries to shoot to within 400m of its detection range. which can lead to some hilarity if you find a DD to bulli
That assumes the DD gets himself spotted though. He can still sit 7km from you flinging torps if you don't have a teammate to spot him, and your secondaries will never come into play.
Jingles: "that is a question that is going to be challenging philosophers for years to come!" I am sure the philosophers were already in chat debating what happened. As for PQ17, I think someone in Intelligence noticed that the Tirpitz had rotated its rear turret which the Admiralty took to mean that she was about to sortie. So they ordered the escorts to bravely run away and the convoy to scatter. Meanwhile the luftwaffe and Uboats suddenly found themselves in what we in the military would call a "target rich environment!"
@@kaiyinsmith3626 While the French would have farted in my general direction, concrete proof shows that Sir Robin must have been in charge of this fiasco!
Despite all the obvious flaws, Odin is still my favorite t8 BB right now and I've completely replaced my Tirpitz with her. Yes, the guns lack pen, but they're accurate and rapid firing enough that I don't feel like I'm losing out on DPM. Yes, the ship has a low HP pool, but it's so heavily armored that I have no difficulties pushing in, especially late game. Yes, the secondaries have bad firing arcs, but they have great fire rates and do not require IFHE to hit 32mm of pen. Add to that the excellent placement of torps that make them much less likely to break than a Tirptiz, the access to Hydro, and the ability to get your concealment down to just 400m more than your secondary range. Even if you don't commit to a secondary build, a standard concealment and Fire Prevention build makes Odin once of the stealthiest BB's at t8 and it's also one of the most agile. The top speed is pretty good, but the turning circle is incredibly small and that combines with Hydro to make Odin one of the hardest BB's to torp. I run a triple 4 point build, with Man Sec, AFT, and CE. I play Odin one of two ways, as an aggressive DD and CL hunter or as a BB duelist. If I'm pushing a DD or CL I use my low concealment to get up real close, keep hydro running to dodge torps, and shred them down with the rapid firing 305's and secondaries. If I'm dueling a BB I stay angled just enough to get my forward secondaries firing, keep at the edge of my secondary range, and spam HE shells just to burn their Damage Cons, before switching to AP once they can't repair the fires. I've yet to feel like there's any BB at t8 or even t9 where I absolutely can't win the duel. The biggest threat are HE spammers like RN BB's, but my secondaries shred through their 32mm plating like paper. Any AP slinging BB just can't do much to the Odin without me making an absolutely horrible mistake. Yes, Odin has some serious risks. You have low health and making a mistake early hurts so much, but you're also one of the absolute best BB's in a duel and you've got the concealment to decide when to start the fight. Play a little safe at the start, conserve your HP, and then push aggressively in the late game to bulldoze any ships with your oppressive close-range firepower.
From my personal experience, Odin is suprisingly good at pushing into a cap, especially when there's an enemy DD in smoke and your entire team stop dead in their tracks scared of getting torps, the Odin can take the inititive and charge in. With its combination of german hydro, decent secondaries and a fast reloading main battery you have a higher chance of killing the enemy dd and torpedo beat your way out alive (or die on your way out to a yammy salvo across the map). And with the dd dead hopefully it gives your team enough courage to poke out behind islands and start pushing lol.
The Odin reminds me of that Joey line from "Friends": "What's not to Like? Custard, good. Jam, good. Meat, good!" Great armor scheme (lots of 50 mm plating on the deck, and a 32 mm bow, i.e. a BB bow). Great secondaries, and the arcs aren't as bad as they say. Hydro+torps, combining Birmarck and Tirpitz strengths at close range. Decent AA. Decent concealment: potentially only slightly larger than your secondary range. I had over 400 games in T8 BBs before the Odin, and once I got it I smashed my record damage literally in the first game...
@@landochabod7 Not to mention battlecruiser's maneuverability that compliments the hydro really well. Bismarck can see incoming torps, but Odin can more often also do something about them. Maneuverability is also great for brawling.
@@wombat4191 There is disagree. The Odin has barely better maneuverability than the Bismarck. Assuming no rudder module on either: - rudder 14.1 on the Odin, 16 on the Bismarck - top speed 30 Odin, 31 Bismarck - turning radius 790 Odin, 850 Bismarck I mean, the Odin's better, but I wouldn't say it has "battlecruiser maneuverability" compared to "battleship maneuverability". They're in the same class, imho.
@@landochabod7 2 secs less rudder shift is substantially better. Smaller turning circle also adds to that, because it means that it will turn at the same rate than bismarck before the rudder is fully turned. Calling it battlecruiser maneuverability is maybe a bit of an overexaggeration, but it is among the best for T8 battleship. And it is comparable to Siegfried, Azuma, Kronshtadt and Alaska, all T9 battlecruisers or whatever you want to call them. There are no T8's to compare to.
16:50 Yes! Gotta love the panic radar cruisers. See it all the time. “Shit! I’m gonna die, maybe my radar will create some sort of electromagnetic force field and deflect some of these incoming shells!” *fiery explosion*
Its probably an atttempt to get some info to your team about enemy locations before you die, same as launching your spotter before death, that or they panic fumble their controls... ive done that.
@@marvelous5038 Well, not especially better than Yamato for example. Yamato has more pen up to 13 km and not much less after that, Shikishima's 35 mm overmatch doesn't bring any advantage over Yamato's 32 mm, Yamato has 50% more shells to hit with and they do only about 25% less damage. So saying that Shikishima pens Odin hard is like saying that Grozovoi can torp it to oblivion. Sure it can, but it doesn't do any particularly better job at it than some other DD's.
@@wombat4191 The only target with significant 35mm areas in the Riga. Shikashima is going to be very good at fucking the Riga up, but that is about it/
Speaking of Naval History, congrats on getting to voice a crew member on your favourite ship, HMS Warspite, in drachinifel's Jutland video. I hope you do more videos with him as he is a great naval historian.
@@tomriley5790 Are you trolling Sir? Playing the same moves as he did the Moskva would be dead in 1 salvo, Ohio would be dead in 2 salvos, Izumo would be dealt quicker and the rest too. Yama shooting at your broadside from less than 12km is the most terrifying thing in the world! Even Bismarck at the end, at long range angled could eat 20k or more AP salvo from Yama!
The enemy team was carrying his victory hard. They have done everything to make it possible, throwing themselves broadside in front of his guns. Nevertheless well played Odin!
An excellent example of courageous and intelligent decisions made on the fly by a very good captain. A pleasure to watch and very well chosen Mr Jingles.
Odin is not a bad BB by any means, I don't have it myself but I think it has proven to be a tough one to deal with in the ranked, at least when in good hands. The low health punishes for mistakes pretty heavily though. There's at least one thing it does better than any other BB, bully DD's. I've played mostly Lightning so far, and Odin has been by far the most troublesome BB for me. Great hydro and great maneuverability make her really hard to hit with torps on, and hell breaks loose if you get spotted. She can just rush smokes like nobody's business. That combined with great brawling ability and some of the best armor schemes makes it so that teams with Odin often have the advantage when pushing caps. This is my experience against her in ranked with 7 ship teams, her difficulty surely gets to another level in standard with 12 ships. She would probably be an absolute beast in 1v1 ranked.
Actually, I had a little train of thought about this. People complaining about Odin being bad is a prime example of why powercreep happens in WOWS and in games in general. Community unkowingly pressures the devs to introduce ships that are always a slight bit better than the existing ones, because people don't like it when reality and balance ruins the experience of new and exciting. Sometimes the devs accidentally go a bit overboard with this "slight bit better", and ships like Smolensk happen. For example, the RN CA's are not especially powerful, and thus nobody has really gotten excited over them. But they are not really underpowered either, not just very impressive. And now this Odin. Undoubtedly very fun ship to play, but WG probably realized how hard she was to sink with a normal T8 health pool, and balanced her. Then people like Flamu tell everybody that it's bad because it got nerfed "like german ships always do", and say that if this was Russian it would have gotten buffed. I also think the current talk about the Russian bias is mostly about powercreep and confirmation bias. If we think about all the ships that are blamed for Russian bias, it is easy to notice that most of them are only about a year or less old. Stalingrad might be the only one significantly older, and even it is just 2 years old. The fact that so many Soviet ships (not Russian, Soviet. It should be called Soviet bias) have been introduced lately is ridiculous, but that is another subject entirely. And the newest culprit might not even be as great as some people make it out to be. Petropavlovsk surely has some ridiculous qualities, but it is really mostly about minmaxing. Ridiculous pen with her rail guns? Sure, but low DPM to compensate. Tanky as hell, but in turn almost BB-like handling. Stealth radar, but it's a really short duration. For comparison, Minotaur has been able to stealth radar with way bigger 1 km buffer and 40 sec radar for years, but no one has complained about that. Now think about most of the non-Soviet newish ships. French high tier DD's are probably the most powerful DD's right now, even after getting nerfed. Italian cruisers are really good despite at least Venezia getting constantly nerfed because of the CB meta. Georgia is one of the best, if not the best T9 BB. Heck, there are enough strong American ships to call for an American bias, none of them are tech tree ships just because the American tech trees are so old. Wooster may be the closest one to being part of the American bias, and it so happens to be the newest of the bunch.
@@Notmyname1593 Yeah it's pretty universally in all games that introduce new assets along the years. For example pokemon games have it as well, many old pokemon are obscured by new ones.
Jingles you made me get back world of warships and I thank you for that, the tier 4 french cruiser gets both a spotter plane and a few charges of hydro and the guns reload very quickly
I think the Odin is a genuinely good ship. It is really tough to sink, the hydro/torpedo combo is really strong, and the dispersion of the main battery guns are great. I am genuinely very happy that I got the ship... though I agree that the firing angles for the secondaries could have been better. Nose-in, you've very tanky but your secondaries don't really open up towards the target you're nose in
I've seen people do pretty insane shit in Odin. Just because a ship is "bad" on paper does not make it a bad ship. If you are good in German BB's, or just secondary build brawling ships in general. You will do really good in this ship. It annoys me that people still call Odin a bad ship. Far from it. Stats aren't everything.
Unfortunately stats are everything, put a good player in a better shit and they'll do better. Odin doesn't look fun at all, pathetic guns, pathetic HP, if I want good armor I'll play Bismarck or Kurfurst.
I would agree with this. People seem to be playing the Odin like it's a Bismark or tirpitz... You simple can't do that in this ship. I've had really good games playing the ship more as a support to another BB. Let the other BB tank while you smear cruisers and use your secondaries to soften up the heavier targets. I've also had a lot of cocky enemies get well within torp range and that is just hilarious 😂
For those who play Azur Lane. Odin is available on the PR3 Grind. Fun fact: Odin and Graf Spee knew each other on AL. This relates to the Dockyard event on the current patch in WoWs. Odin has a special idle.
I was so pissed and frustrated with this ship at first! Then I started to look at it as a Heavy/Battle Cruiser and things changed. It's a very, very good t8 Heavy/Battle Cruiser! Your role in the Odin is to sail with the bulk of your Battleships and provide support against other Cruisers and push with them in caps with Hydro. Oh and never speck for secondaries, go for lankiness and an RPF may be very useful for your escorting role when you are relied for Hydro defense. Again, it's a very, very good t8 Heavy/Battle Cruiser. With this ship you will very often do x2-x3 citadel salvos on likes like Hindenburg or delete a Moskva. Not to mention the low armor (overpen saving) citadels like Smolensk and the poor Bayards and Colbers :) Zao, HIV and Stalingrad are trolling armor ships to face and should be treated with respect when approaching for a fight as always.
@@matthewclark7885 while Odin is first and foremost the god of wisdom and magic, he understands the need for clever tactics and ambushes, Thor is the martial might aspect of war, Tyr is more about the honour and structure of fighting a war and Odin, would rather be roaming and discovering new knowledge and magic, so he'd employ clever tactics to finish the fight as quickly as possible whilst losing the fewest amount of men
Always the same shit with those games. The "old" factions, the factions that came first in the game get left in the dust by new, more obscure factions power creeping past them. Swedes, Italians and others get nifty tricks to set them apart from the old stuff and for some reasons the Germans always end up being hit the hardest by power creep, because Americans, Russians, Japanese and British get some weird tanks/ships with gimmicky but powerful tricks, while the Germans basically always get "more of the same" somehow. The Russians get a few silly, OP Premiums and then, to "compensate" that and to show that Premiums are not all OP, the Germans get shitty ones and that somehow makes everything well in the world of Russian military MMOs.
Don't know about you, but the tech tree IJN CAs and BBs seem to be left in the dust as well. As for premiums...well, they're almost memes as far as the IJN is concerned. It's indeed a shame older ships are being left behind.
I mean some of the best tanks in world of tanks now are actually German. Leopard 1 and grille 15 are doing incredibly well. Even lower tier pz 5/4 is doing very well
@@Tsnelo I tried to point out common trends in the big 3 such games and since in WoT the Japanese are one of the younger, more gimmicky factions themselves and in War Thunder they have pretty good planes and tanks, I didn't single them out the same way as the Germans, because the Germans get shafted like that and are victims of the "old faction curse" in all 3 games. Take War Thunder for example. The Japanese thing was "slow but maneuverable" and the German thing was "fast but unmaneuverable". The Japanese have gotten a bunch of very fast planes since then, which are as good as the Germans at Booming and Zooming, while the Germans never got a maneuverable plane, unless you count one low tier event reward Premium. The point is, WoWS is the only out of the 3 big games where the Japanese have any problems, while the Germans are a sucker victim faction in all 3. Yes, in WoWS the Japanese suffer that curse too, but I would argue not quite as much as the Germans, because their specialties, long range guns, good HE damage, good fire chance, good stealth, good torpedoes, make them more viable than the German specialties, which are basically bad guns and being tough HP pinatas. When all the new factions get new ways of doing damage, then a faction that basically is only good at soaking up damage and not all that good at dishing out damage, is bound to get hit harder by power creep.
Sad but true for this, World of Tanks and War Thunder as well. Top tier Germans were once good, then more modern tanks came out and everything Germany has in War Thunder is easily outclassed, while also somehow being the most expensive vehicles in the game to repair as well.
Honestly I really like the Odin - it's a mix of Scharnhorst, Tirpitz and Bismark, Main guns fire quickly, use them AP in broadsides close enough and you'll be fine, usually you can get 4k from one hit somewhere or so - if you're not penning because they angle spam HE and you'll pen most decks no worries. Great secondaries, Torpedoes for brawling when your AP is also capable of citadelling through a broadside. Cruisers you can mess up with your AP... Honestly it's a nice ship. I forgot to mention - it's great for pushing caps - relatively chunky armour, hydro, torps, great secodnaries, you can mess up dds no worries. Odin is an example of a ship that's more than the sum of its parts.
Yesterday I had my Tier 7 French cruiser meet up close with an Odin. 6KM for like 3 minutes, Only took a little less than half of my health. This was sad.
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Mad Zebra did REALLY well there. I have an Odin myself and you do not want to get into 'brawling' range if you can possibly avoid it, Odin is far too squishy for that. I also took the +350 per tier skill, which gets you a nice boost on HP.
I'm having it survive well under fire, despite the low HP. Rip Yamato if it gets close BTW. Torps+lovely citadels. That being said, shooting one in a NC, Massa or 'Bama - I've seen some really weird citadels, even up close.
Odin is concentrated frustration which, under some circumstances, can shine. Guns have little carry potential, sec angles are trash, torp angles are trash and hp does not allow you to capitalise on risk most of the time. If the enemy is total potato and tier < 9 you can manufacture some glorious results, if not.. good luck having proper impact.
There are many people in game looking down on clanless players. But if you look at this end result screen, a whole bunch of players with fancy clan names on both sides all sunk and dead, while the clanless MadZebra has dominated the battle and accumulated nearly 300k damage and 3.600 base XP and the Bismarck, the only survivor of the enemy team is also without a clan.
The reason I bought the Scharnhorst back in the day was the "Scharnhorst is the best cruiser in the game" meme. Odin is pretty much the same; treat it as a brawly super-cruiser and it becomes a pretty strong ship.
4:45 I'd be a bit less worried about the Moskva and more so about the Izumo that could've given him a paddling he'd feel for the next 2 games. Sheer luck there.
This ship's campaign was just released for WoW:Legends on console. It keeps its original test stats and is much better for it. Hopefully they buff it to match on PC.
Hey Jingles, I believe the Odin is meant to be a battlecruiser. There is another game i play, called Azur Lane and that game has classified the Odin as such. Since Wargamming doesn't have a dedicated battlcruiser line for World of Warships, she can only be classified as a battleship.
Hilarious that a proudly British man, who takes delight in poking fun at Americans where he can, pronounces 'zebra' the American way, not the British way. :P
this whole Odin thing reminds me of when the engineers and physics guys looked at the stats and concluded unequivocally pronouced that the Bumblebee was incapable of flight :) lol
That's a myth. A bumblebee would be incapable of flight *if it flew the way an airplane does.* But airplanes don't fly by flapping their wings, so that's immaterial.
@@RedXlV BUT!!!, its such a good myth :) and with the Odin top score so far of something over 305 k or so... it's clearly not entirely "harmless" in random's and not bad at all given the current disaster that is Ranked...
(aka Morbo) Thank you common sense, that you prevented me from screaming "Mine! Mine! Mine!" and grind me this stupid unicorn of a BB. I knew right from the first reviews, that this ship would be crappy. Got me a GS for relatively few hassle, that'll do just nicely. :) Congrats to Mad Zebra, though!
In current ranked it is a fun ship to play, a pity you missed it :) have 69% WR in it and at point I have 12 ships killed in it, It was 6 with main guns, 1 with secondaris and 5 with torps :D Don´t you dare coming any closer! :D
When I first saw the title I thought it said "Cod of War" and was thinking to myself, "I can't wait to see what Jingles has to say about 'cods' and how they relate to WoW.
Relatively low penetration for a 305mm gun AP shell can actually be quite good against cruisers giving broadside, as you don't get as many overpens. Of course, you can basically give up trying to pen BB citadel belts at most ranges, but in exchange for that you can punish Smolensks and the like. Also, the HE is kind of useful as additional fire starting potential to your secondaries. WG had to make sure this doesn't become an OP fire starting battleship, as the secondaries are the second best after Kurfürst in the German line.
Jingles, there's a good PQ17 film called "The Seventeenth Transatlantic" "Семнадцатый трансатлантический". So sad there is no subs yet, but I guess there are always books and documentaries on the topic.
My computer died in November 2019 and I wasn't able to buy a new one till today. I missed this game so much. Now I just have to wait one month for it to be delivered.
If Odin had come out as a Tier 8 premium CRUISER, I think people would be singing its praises. If it is handled like a Admiral Graff Spee, (at appropriate tier), it can be quite a good ship. Granted, that he Admiral Graf Spee takes a careful hand as well....
Sounds like this ship has the WWI-era 305 mm APC shells ("Psgr.m.K. L/3,4"), not even the improved 283 mm Psgr.m.K. L/4,4 used in the SCHARNHORST Class (smaller versions of the BISMARCK-type 380 mm APC ammo).
You forgot to mention that the secondaries have 32 and 37mm penetration which is the same as the kerfurst but less of them. Secondary build and picking the time to go in makes them lethal even against a Massachusetts
I like the Odin its defiantly a battlecruser not a true BB its fantastic for supporting a flanking manuver and its aa is good. I find its AP to work pretty well too get lots of sneaky citadels
Where are these players when I play. (Oh, right, on the other team.) My first battle earlier today (well, late yesterday) I was in a battle with no DDs, so scouting the capture zone was me and my Cleveland. Pulled up to an island, nosed around the corner, and was looking at basically the entire enemy fleet, with all guns pointed at me. tried to back up to get island between me and most of those guns, only to run into my team's Odin, hiding. He was angled so I couldn't back up, and I couldn't turn away from the island. My choices were: Wait until the BBs furthers to the flanks had a better shot at me, hope the sink the Odin first, or gun it and pull forward hoping I could get turned and headed away without getting instantly deleted. Managed to get out and do a little bit of damage, but went from full health to sunk before I reached top speed at full throttle. Stayed to watch the battle, and Odin went down almost immediately after, having not moved an inch and too close to the island to shoot anything.
Talking about taking the wind out of my sails for me to complete the Odin Dockyard mission. Would like your opinion on how these guns would compare/perform to the Scharnhorst's 11" guns?
So i've been wanting to get into this game, and I am curious about Destroyers. from what I gathered is that they should - Stay away from being detected - Capture points - Use torpedo's against battleships?
I can see Odin being soft nerfed before long. The Torps have great angles and punch hard, the guns tend to detonate AP with less overpens than larger calibres, the Armour (to a cruiser player) is reminiscent of the Roon, so whilst you need to angle and avoid being on fire, you can wade through 1v1 fire with near impunity. I think this was maybe designed as a premium German supercuiser but with the Turtleback Citadel, it is way too resilient for a cruiser.
Orin’s AP get full pen on superstructures and I get plenty of cits on high tier BBs broadside and pretty much any cruiser. You can also fullbpen DDs with Odin. Some of my best games are in Odin and Agir. Don’t underestimate these ships you’ll regret it.
Why is it so hard to know that Odin is NOT the god of war? He's the god of knowledge, Týr is the god of war. Just like Tor is the god of thunder and Hel is the goddess of life and death and rules in Helheim.
This reminds me of a game were my side of the team completley collapsed and I found my self sourrunded by 6 enemy ships in my Scharnhorst. And I came out on top and killed all 6 because they came at me in the dumpest way possible.
Bismarck captain over there probably poured himself something really strong after the game
Cant speak to him, but had some similar shit happen in a tirpitz in a ranked match.
jingles, you've forgotten to mention Odin's party trick! if you spec it right, you can get the secondaries to shoot to within 400m of its detection range. which can lead to some hilarity if you find a DD to bulli
That sounds hilarious!
Thats typical of the Tier 8 and higher German BB's
@@michaelbenjmitchell1 Nope. GK with full conceal build still needs a few kilometers to reach secondary range. Same for Friedrich. 400m is quite low.
That assumes the DD gets himself spotted though. He can still sit 7km from you flinging torps if you don't have a teammate to spot him, and your secondaries will never come into play.
So you're not taking fire prevention. Good luck with that. Or not taking manual secondary focus, making them quite useless.
Jingles: "that is a question that is going to be challenging philosophers for years to come!"
I am sure the philosophers were already in chat debating what happened.
As for PQ17, I think someone in Intelligence noticed that the Tirpitz had rotated its rear turret which the Admiralty took to mean that she was about to sortie. So they ordered the escorts to bravely run away and the convoy to scatter. Meanwhile the luftwaffe and Uboats suddenly found themselves in what we in the military would call a "target rich environment!"
"Bravely run away", you do realize there weren't any French ships in the convoy, right?😂😂😂
@@kaiyinsmith3626 While the French would have farted in my general direction, concrete proof shows that Sir Robin must have been in charge of this fiasco!
Dash it, they advanced in another direction
@@korbell1089 looking down at his feet, he beat a very brave retreat. Indeed!
The Escorts did not want to leave but orders are orders, It was a very terrible mistake not to let the people on the spot decide.
The Odin hate train derailed and crashed some time ago, nowadays most people who played with it agree it's a pretty fun, decent ship.
Despite all the obvious flaws, Odin is still my favorite t8 BB right now and I've completely replaced my Tirpitz with her. Yes, the guns lack pen, but they're accurate and rapid firing enough that I don't feel like I'm losing out on DPM. Yes, the ship has a low HP pool, but it's so heavily armored that I have no difficulties pushing in, especially late game. Yes, the secondaries have bad firing arcs, but they have great fire rates and do not require IFHE to hit 32mm of pen. Add to that the excellent placement of torps that make them much less likely to break than a Tirptiz, the access to Hydro, and the ability to get your concealment down to just 400m more than your secondary range. Even if you don't commit to a secondary build, a standard concealment and Fire Prevention build makes Odin once of the stealthiest BB's at t8 and it's also one of the most agile. The top speed is pretty good, but the turning circle is incredibly small and that combines with Hydro to make Odin one of the hardest BB's to torp.
I run a triple 4 point build, with Man Sec, AFT, and CE. I play Odin one of two ways, as an aggressive DD and CL hunter or as a BB duelist. If I'm pushing a DD or CL I use my low concealment to get up real close, keep hydro running to dodge torps, and shred them down with the rapid firing 305's and secondaries. If I'm dueling a BB I stay angled just enough to get my forward secondaries firing, keep at the edge of my secondary range, and spam HE shells just to burn their Damage Cons, before switching to AP once they can't repair the fires. I've yet to feel like there's any BB at t8 or even t9 where I absolutely can't win the duel. The biggest threat are HE spammers like RN BB's, but my secondaries shred through their 32mm plating like paper. Any AP slinging BB just can't do much to the Odin without me making an absolutely horrible mistake.
Yes, Odin has some serious risks. You have low health and making a mistake early hurts so much, but you're also one of the absolute best BB's in a duel and you've got the concealment to decide when to start the fight. Play a little safe at the start, conserve your HP, and then push aggressively in the late game to bulldoze any ships with your oppressive close-range firepower.
Just got mine a few days ago and rarely play any of my other boats.
Thank you for that was wondering if it was worth it to get it and now i think so!
Jingles: "I don't want to join the Odin Hate Train...."
....proceeds to jump on board.
when you preface a statement with "i don't want to" there is an implied but within said statement
Jingles: *bodily hurls the conductor of the hate train from the cabin, grabs the controls, and slams the horn*
@@TheDakkaman aaaaaaccctttuuuaaallllyyyyy, he just threw the conductor into the salt mines.
Its good, its not difficult its just a very heavy cruiser that can also brawl
Isnt that practically what the Germans said about the Graf Spee
"See, it's not a Battleship, its just a VERY heavy cruiser."
Wallet warriors disagree.
I’m like paying for the last 2 stages to get the ship even agir is better than Odin
@@marvelous5038 it just isnt
+ odin is a realy good ranked ship
Grimm Ronin battle cruiser
From my personal experience, Odin is suprisingly good at pushing into a cap, especially when there's an enemy DD in smoke and your entire team stop dead in their tracks scared of getting torps, the Odin can take the inititive and charge in. With its combination of german hydro, decent secondaries and a fast reloading main battery you have a higher chance of killing the enemy dd and torpedo beat your way out alive (or die on your way out to a yammy salvo across the map). And with the dd dead hopefully it gives your team enough courage to poke out behind islands and start pushing lol.
ah....the foolish dreams of the young...thinking your team will ever grow a pair now a-days...*sigh*....wish you well in your fantasies.
The Odin reminds me of that Joey line from "Friends": "What's not to Like? Custard, good. Jam, good. Meat, good!"
Great armor scheme (lots of 50 mm plating on the deck, and a 32 mm bow, i.e. a BB bow).
Great secondaries, and the arcs aren't as bad as they say.
Hydro+torps, combining Birmarck and Tirpitz strengths at close range.
Decent AA.
Decent concealment: potentially only slightly larger than your secondary range.
I had over 400 games in T8 BBs before the Odin, and once I got it I smashed my record damage literally in the first game...
@@landochabod7 Not to mention battlecruiser's maneuverability that compliments the hydro really well. Bismarck can see incoming torps, but Odin can more often also do something about them. Maneuverability is also great for brawling.
@@wombat4191 There is disagree. The Odin has barely better maneuverability than the Bismarck.
Assuming no rudder module on either:
- rudder 14.1 on the Odin, 16 on the Bismarck
- top speed 30 Odin, 31 Bismarck
- turning radius 790 Odin, 850 Bismarck
I mean, the Odin's better, but I wouldn't say it has "battlecruiser maneuverability" compared to "battleship maneuverability". They're in the same class, imho.
@@landochabod7 2 secs less rudder shift is substantially better. Smaller turning circle also adds to that, because it means that it will turn at the same rate than bismarck before the rudder is fully turned.
Calling it battlecruiser maneuverability is maybe a bit of an overexaggeration, but it is among the best for T8 battleship. And it is comparable to Siegfried, Azuma, Kronshtadt and Alaska, all T9 battlecruisers or whatever you want to call them. There are no T8's to compare to.
16:50 Yes! Gotta love the panic radar cruisers. See it all the time. “Shit! I’m gonna die, maybe my radar will create some sort of electromagnetic force field and deflect some of these incoming shells!” *fiery explosion*
Its probably an atttempt to get some info to your team about enemy locations before you die, same as launching your spotter before death, that or they panic fumble their controls... ive done that.
@@CORV3TT33 I always pop my spotter plane if I'm about to know, the team may be able to use that info
this is God's way of rewarding Americans who stay up 'till 3:00 for no good reason.
Kasaar Sedai Praise be to Jingles
I have a good reason, I'm at work.
for me its closer to 1am
Or, you know, the British people who are already up and awake by the time this video came out, like jingles himself
It's only 2 on the West Coast!
Odin: Has Tough Armour
Shikishima: Allow me to introduce myself
SpartiuS94 but shikishima still can pen Odin hard without hitting the bow
@@marvelous5038 Well, not especially better than Yamato for example. Yamato has more pen up to 13 km and not much less after that, Shikishima's 35 mm overmatch doesn't bring any advantage over Yamato's 32 mm, Yamato has 50% more shells to hit with and they do only about 25% less damage.
So saying that Shikishima pens Odin hard is like saying that Grozovoi can torp it to oblivion. Sure it can, but it doesn't do any particularly better job at it than some other DD's.
@@wombat4191 The only target with significant 35mm areas in the Riga. Shikashima is going to be very good at fucking the Riga up, but that is about it/
Uhmm
I keep bouncing Shiki shells sometimes it doesn't
Well I think lots of Shiki players are plebs
Montana takes 60% HP from Odin in one salvo, don't even need a Shikishima.
"RADAR, the signature call of a cruiser captain that knows he's about to die"
actually made me laugh. Bravo, Jingles. Bravo.
I'm an IJN torpedo boat player... I understand the plight of relying on your teammates for the first half of the game. It's a deadly thing to do.
Can confirm
Speaking of Naval History, congrats on getting to voice a crew member on your favourite ship, HMS Warspite, in drachinifel's Jutland video. I hope you do more videos with him as he is a great naval historian.
Mad Zebra's a good battleship captain. Imagine if he had a ship like the Yamato. It would be overkill, no question.
Yama couldn't have done what he did with this ship in this battle.
@@tomriley5790 Are you trolling Sir? Playing the same moves as he did the Moskva would be dead in 1 salvo, Ohio would be dead in 2 salvos, Izumo would be dealt quicker and the rest too. Yama shooting at your broadside from less than 12km is the most terrifying thing in the world! Even Bismarck at the end, at long range angled could eat 20k or more AP salvo from Yama!
@@dominges no torps, can't bow tank would have been flanked and killed.
is he?, he could have killed that moskva and donskoi and saved his dd at the start if he only used his hydro and plane
sir i could listen to you 24/7 thank you so much for your videos over the years ... huge respect
The enemy team was carrying his victory hard. They have done everything to make it possible, throwing themselves broadside in front of his guns.
Nevertheless well played Odin!
Love your work. Keep giving us great content!
An excellent example of courageous and intelligent decisions made on the fly by a very good captain. A pleasure to watch and very well chosen Mr Jingles.
Perfect timing for this video I was looking for a good Odin video
3:52 And you thought we couldn't here (not so anymore) little Akizuki...
I have the Odin and I love it. It was hard at first but once you master it, it's so much fun
Odin is not a bad BB by any means, I don't have it myself but I think it has proven to be a tough one to deal with in the ranked, at least when in good hands. The low health punishes for mistakes pretty heavily though.
There's at least one thing it does better than any other BB, bully DD's. I've played mostly Lightning so far, and Odin has been by far the most troublesome BB for me. Great hydro and great maneuverability make her really hard to hit with torps on, and hell breaks loose if you get spotted. She can just rush smokes like nobody's business.
That combined with great brawling ability and some of the best armor schemes makes it so that teams with Odin often have the advantage when pushing caps.
This is my experience against her in ranked with 7 ship teams, her difficulty surely gets to another level in standard with 12 ships. She would probably be an absolute beast in 1v1 ranked.
Actually, I had a little train of thought about this.
People complaining about Odin being bad is a prime example of why powercreep happens in WOWS and in games in general. Community unkowingly pressures the devs to introduce ships that are always a slight bit better than the existing ones, because people don't like it when reality and balance ruins the experience of new and exciting. Sometimes the devs accidentally go a bit overboard with this "slight bit better", and ships like Smolensk happen.
For example, the RN CA's are not especially powerful, and thus nobody has really gotten excited over them. But they are not really underpowered either, not just very impressive.
And now this Odin. Undoubtedly very fun ship to play, but WG probably realized how hard she was to sink with a normal T8 health pool, and balanced her. Then people like Flamu tell everybody that it's bad because it got nerfed "like german ships always do", and say that if this was Russian it would have gotten buffed.
I also think the current talk about the Russian bias is mostly about powercreep and confirmation bias. If we think about all the ships that are blamed for Russian bias, it is easy to notice that most of them are only about a year or less old. Stalingrad might be the only one significantly older, and even it is just 2 years old. The fact that so many Soviet ships (not Russian, Soviet. It should be called Soviet bias) have been introduced lately is ridiculous, but that is another subject entirely.
And the newest culprit might not even be as great as some people make it out to be. Petropavlovsk surely has some ridiculous qualities, but it is really mostly about minmaxing. Ridiculous pen with her rail guns? Sure, but low DPM to compensate. Tanky as hell, but in turn almost BB-like handling. Stealth radar, but it's a really short duration. For comparison, Minotaur has been able to stealth radar with way bigger 1 km buffer and 40 sec radar for years, but no one has complained about that.
Now think about most of the non-Soviet newish ships. French high tier DD's are probably the most powerful DD's right now, even after getting nerfed. Italian cruisers are really good despite at least Venezia getting constantly nerfed because of the CB meta. Georgia is one of the best, if not the best T9 BB. Heck, there are enough strong American ships to call for an American bias, none of them are tech tree ships just because the American tech trees are so old. Wooster may be the closest one to being part of the American bias, and it so happens to be the newest of the bunch.
@@wombat4191 The same is mostly true for WOT as well
@@Notmyname1593 Yeah it's pretty universally in all games that introduce new assets along the years. For example pokemon games have it as well, many old pokemon are obscured by new ones.
@@wombat4191 Are you intentionally forgetting the Mussashi and the Jean Bart? :)
@@dominges No, I just didn't bother to list all possible ships.
Jingles you made me get back world of warships and I thank you for that, the tier 4 french cruiser gets both a spotter plane and a few charges of hydro and the guns reload very quickly
I think the Odin is a genuinely good ship. It is really tough to sink, the hydro/torpedo combo is really strong, and the dispersion of the main battery guns are great. I am genuinely very happy that I got the ship... though I agree that the firing angles for the secondaries could have been better. Nose-in, you've very tanky but your secondaries don't really open up towards the target you're nose in
I really enjoyed watching anything with both jingles and drach
i love when jingles posts at 130 am when i’m about to go to sleep
I've seen people do pretty insane shit in Odin. Just because a ship is "bad" on paper does not make it a bad ship. If you are good in German BB's, or just secondary build brawling ships in general. You will do really good in this ship. It annoys me that people still call Odin a bad ship. Far from it. Stats aren't everything.
Unfortunately stats are everything, put a good player in a better shit and they'll do better. Odin doesn't look fun at all, pathetic guns, pathetic HP, if I want good armor I'll play Bismarck or Kurfurst.
"do pretty insane shit" you mean shooting at a Moskva Broadside, or basically any heavy cruiser's broadside because the enemy is a total moron?
Lewis Hamilton I’m not a good player but I do very well in the Odin
I would agree with this. People seem to be playing the Odin like it's a Bismark or tirpitz... You simple can't do that in this ship. I've had really good games playing the ship more as a support to another BB. Let the other BB tank while you smear cruisers and use your secondaries to soften up the heavier targets. I've also had a lot of cocky enemies get well within torp range and that is just hilarious 😂
For those who play Azur Lane. Odin is available on the PR3 Grind.
Fun fact: Odin and Graf Spee knew each other on AL. This relates to the Dockyard event on the current patch in WoWs. Odin has a special idle.
I was so pissed and frustrated with this ship at first! Then I started to look at it as a Heavy/Battle Cruiser and things changed. It's a very, very good t8 Heavy/Battle Cruiser! Your role in the Odin is to sail with the bulk of your Battleships and provide support against other Cruisers and push with them in caps with Hydro. Oh and never speck for secondaries, go for lankiness and an RPF may be very useful for your escorting role when you are relied for Hydro defense. Again, it's a very, very good t8 Heavy/Battle Cruiser. With this ship you will very often do x2-x3 citadel salvos on likes like Hindenburg or delete a Moskva. Not to mention the low armor (overpen saving) citadels like Smolensk and the poor Bayards and Colbers :) Zao, HIV and Stalingrad are trolling armor ships to face and should be treated with respect when approaching for a fight as always.
The mighty jingles : ODIN , GOD OF WAR
KRATOS : Am I a joke to you ?
4:52 Yeah, that was a paddlin Bayard
Actually Jingles the deity in the Norse pantheon that comes closest to being 'the God of War' is Tyr not Odin :P
Actually, Thor, Tyr and Odin are gods of war, each representing a different facet of war, much like Athena and Ares
@@AcridCrowd I did not know this, I focused more on the Greek (and to a certain extent-Roman) pantheon's and mythology
lol @mightyjingles
I know you do these on purpose grandma
@@matthewclark7885 while Odin is first and foremost the god of wisdom and magic, he understands the need for clever tactics and ambushes, Thor is the martial might aspect of war, Tyr is more about the honour and structure of fighting a war and Odin, would rather be roaming and discovering new knowledge and magic, so he'd employ clever tactics to finish the fight as quickly as possible whilst losing the fewest amount of men
Matthew Clark Greek and Roman pantheons are basically the same however they have different names and are more militarized
Once again, a brave group of captains have snatched defeat from the jaws of Victory...
3:52 A wild Akizuki has entered the chat
Just watched Greyhound, put me in the mood for some WoW. Luckily its Jingles to the rescue.
Jingles, excellent presentation of how to use a not so great ship with skill instead of brute power.
Always the same shit with those games. The "old" factions, the factions that came first in the game get left in the dust by new, more obscure factions power creeping past them. Swedes, Italians and others get nifty tricks to set them apart from the old stuff and for some reasons the Germans always end up being hit the hardest by power creep, because Americans, Russians, Japanese and British get some weird tanks/ships with gimmicky but powerful tricks, while the Germans basically always get "more of the same" somehow.
The Russians get a few silly, OP Premiums and then, to "compensate" that and to show that Premiums are not all OP, the Germans get shitty ones and that somehow makes everything well in the world of Russian military MMOs.
Don't know about you, but the tech tree IJN CAs and BBs seem to be left in the dust as well. As for premiums...well, they're almost memes as far as the IJN is concerned. It's indeed a shame older ships are being left behind.
I mean some of the best tanks in world of tanks now are actually German. Leopard 1 and grille 15 are doing incredibly well. Even lower tier pz 5/4 is doing very well
wtf? why are the german ships left behind? most high tier german CAs and BBs are good now. DDs got buffed so they are viable in randoim at least.
@@Tsnelo I tried to point out common trends in the big 3 such games and since in WoT the Japanese are one of the younger, more gimmicky factions themselves and in War Thunder they have pretty good planes and tanks, I didn't single them out the same way as the Germans, because the Germans get shafted like that and are victims of the "old faction curse" in all 3 games.
Take War Thunder for example. The Japanese thing was "slow but maneuverable" and the German thing was "fast but unmaneuverable".
The Japanese have gotten a bunch of very fast planes since then, which are as good as the Germans at Booming and Zooming, while the Germans never got a maneuverable plane, unless you count one low tier event reward Premium.
The point is, WoWS is the only out of the 3 big games where the Japanese have any problems, while the Germans are a sucker victim faction in all 3.
Yes, in WoWS the Japanese suffer that curse too, but I would argue not quite as much as the Germans, because their specialties, long range guns, good HE damage, good fire chance, good stealth, good torpedoes, make them more viable than the German specialties, which are basically bad guns and being tough HP pinatas.
When all the new factions get new ways of doing damage, then a faction that basically is only good at soaking up damage and not all that good at dishing out damage, is bound to get hit harder by power creep.
Sad but true for this, World of Tanks and War Thunder as well. Top tier Germans were once good, then more modern tanks came out and everything Germany has in War Thunder is easily outclassed, while also somehow being the most expensive vehicles in the game to repair as well.
Playerbase 'why can't we have decent HP on this ship?' Weegee 'is it not obvious comrade?' *Soviet Union anthem*
WHOA!!! Two players on the same team showing that much tactical sense at the end of a match. THAT by itself is an impressive site in WoWs. :)
Honestly I really like the Odin - it's a mix of Scharnhorst, Tirpitz and Bismark, Main guns fire quickly, use them AP in broadsides close enough and you'll be fine, usually you can get 4k from one hit somewhere or so - if you're not penning because they angle spam HE and you'll pen most decks no worries. Great secondaries, Torpedoes for brawling when your AP is also capable of citadelling through a broadside. Cruisers you can mess up with your AP... Honestly it's a nice ship. I forgot to mention - it's great for pushing caps - relatively chunky armour, hydro, torps, great secodnaries, you can mess up dds no worries. Odin is an example of a ship that's more than the sum of its parts.
Yesterday I had my Tier 7 French cruiser meet up close with an Odin. 6KM for like 3 minutes, Only took a little less than half of my health. This was sad.
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So it's a boat that works when the enemy are completely braindead and don't focus you. Nice.
4:55 Anyone else see the Yamato delete that Bayard with extreme prejudice
Mad Zebra did REALLY well there. I have an Odin myself and you do not want to get into 'brawling' range if you can possibly avoid it, Odin is far too squishy for that. I also took the +350 per tier skill, which gets you a nice boost on HP.
really enjoyed the commentary jingles
I'm having it survive well under fire, despite the low HP. Rip Yamato if it gets close BTW. Torps+lovely citadels. That being said, shooting one in a NC, Massa or 'Bama - I've seen some really weird citadels, even up close.
Odin is concentrated frustration which, under some circumstances, can shine. Guns have little carry potential, sec angles are trash, torp angles are trash and hp does not allow you to capitalise on risk most of the time. If the enemy is total potato and tier < 9 you can manufacture some glorious results, if not.. good luck having proper impact.
The Odin is bad because it’s not Russian. Come on Jingles, you of all people should know that.
i better play Odin then Kronstadt.
and you can play Donskoy or Khabarovsk, if russian ship "op".
There are many people in game looking down on clanless players. But if you look at this end result screen, a whole bunch of players with fancy clan names on both sides all sunk and dead, while the clanless MadZebra has dominated the battle and accumulated nearly 300k damage and 3.600 base XP and the Bismarck, the only survivor of the enemy team is also without a clan.
Ah, finished an exorbitant amount of schoolwork and am now curling up in bed with a Jingles video, thank you Jingles!
The reason I bought the Scharnhorst back in the day was the "Scharnhorst is the best cruiser in the game" meme. Odin is pretty much the same; treat it as a brawly super-cruiser and it becomes a pretty strong ship.
The enemy team: You are out numbered
This Odin driver: And?
4:45 I'd be a bit less worried about the Moskva and more so about the Izumo that could've given him a paddling he'd feel for the next 2 games. Sheer luck there.
This ship's campaign was just released for WoW:Legends on console. It keeps its original test stats and is much better for it. Hopefully they buff it to match on PC.
i really like the Odin. She may be not a high competitive ship, but she is simply FUN.
I love how Jungles gleefully points out all the cruisers position errors, but a German BB still on the I line at the end of the match? Not a word.
Hey Jingles, I believe the Odin is meant to be a battlecruiser. There is another game i play, called Azur Lane and that game has classified the Odin as such. Since Wargamming doesn't have a dedicated battlcruiser line for World of Warships, she can only be classified as a battleship.
It's like General Chuck Yeager said,"It's the man,not the machine".
Bismarck 17:20 : "Well, that escalated quickly..."
Hilarious that a proudly British man, who takes delight in poking fun at Americans where he can, pronounces 'zebra' the American way, not the British way. :P
this whole Odin thing reminds me of when the engineers and physics guys looked at the stats and concluded unequivocally pronouced that the Bumblebee was incapable of flight :) lol
That's a myth. A bumblebee would be incapable of flight *if it flew the way an airplane does.* But airplanes don't fly by flapping their wings, so that's immaterial.
@@RedXlV
BUT!!!, its such a good myth :) and with the Odin top score so far of something over 305 k or so... it's clearly not entirely "harmless" in random's and not bad at all given the current disaster that is Ranked...
As soon as i saw that -ITA- division and i knew that team would throw. Those guys ALWAYS try their best to throw games. :D
Thanks for this video, very well played!!
I enjoy the Odin a lot, its probably one of my favorite at T8.
Got this ship yesterday loved every game I've been in so far
yeah. like i've been loving her so much im beginning to think WeeGee stealth-buffed it before releasing it, as opposed to their usual stealth-nerfs
The HE spamming fires is just as lame as the arty in WoT
Looks at Title and Ship "Hmmm ehh close enough"
(aka Morbo) Thank you common sense, that you prevented me from screaming "Mine! Mine! Mine!" and grind me this stupid unicorn of a BB. I knew right from the first reviews, that this ship would be crappy. Got me a GS for relatively few hassle, that'll do just nicely. :)
Congrats to Mad Zebra, though!
In current ranked it is a fun ship to play, a pity you missed it :) have 69% WR in it and at point I have 12 ships killed in it, It was 6 with main guns, 1 with secondaris and 5 with torps :D
Don´t you dare coming any closer! :D
When I first saw the title I thought it said "Cod of War" and was thinking to myself, "I can't wait to see what Jingles has to say about 'cods' and how they relate to WoW.
Relatively low penetration for a 305mm gun AP shell can actually be quite good against cruisers giving broadside, as you don't get as many overpens. Of course, you can basically give up trying to pen BB citadel belts at most ranges, but in exchange for that you can punish Smolensks and the like. Also, the HE is kind of useful as additional fire starting potential to your secondaries.
WG had to make sure this doesn't become an OP fire starting battleship, as the secondaries are the second best after Kurfürst in the German line.
In the background, the enemy Bayard at 4:52 suffered a full-health DevStrike from the Yamato
Jingles, there's a good PQ17 film called "The Seventeenth Transatlantic" "Семнадцатый трансатлантический".
So sad there is no subs yet, but I guess there are always books and documentaries on the topic.
My computer died in November 2019 and I wasn't able to buy a new one till today. I missed this game so much. Now I just have to wait one month for it to be delivered.
If Odin had come out as a Tier 8 premium CRUISER, I think people would be singing its praises. If it is handled like a Admiral Graff Spee, (at appropriate tier), it can be quite a good ship. Granted, that he Admiral Graf Spee takes a careful hand as well....
Sounds like this ship has the WWI-era 305 mm APC shells ("Psgr.m.K. L/3,4"), not even the improved 283 mm Psgr.m.K. L/4,4 used in the SCHARNHORST Class (smaller versions of the BISMARCK-type 380 mm APC ammo).
You forgot to mention that the secondaries have 32 and 37mm penetration which is the same as the kerfurst but less of them. Secondary build and picking the time to go in makes them lethal even against a Massachusetts
It 3:04 Am I can't sleep so I am watching this.
I like the Odin its defiantly a battlecruser not a true BB its fantastic for supporting a flanking manuver and its aa is good. I find its AP to work pretty well too get lots of sneaky citadels
Where are these players when I play. (Oh, right, on the other team.)
My first battle earlier today (well, late yesterday) I was in a battle with no DDs, so scouting the capture zone was me and my Cleveland. Pulled up to an island, nosed around the corner, and was looking at basically the entire enemy fleet, with all guns pointed at me. tried to back up to get island between me and most of those guns, only to run into my team's Odin, hiding. He was angled so I couldn't back up, and I couldn't turn away from the island. My choices were: Wait until the BBs furthers to the flanks had a better shot at me, hope the sink the Odin first, or gun it and pull forward hoping I could get turned and headed away without getting instantly deleted. Managed to get out and do a little bit of damage, but went from full health to sunk before I reached top speed at full throttle. Stayed to watch the battle, and Odin went down almost immediately after, having not moved an inch and too close to the island to shoot anything.
"it's very hard to citadel like a FDG or a GK" my recent games in both the odin and fdg beg to differ
Talking about taking the wind out of my sails for me to complete the Odin Dockyard mission. Would like your opinion on how these guns would compare/perform to the Scharnhorst's 11" guns?
Reminds me of Hollywood action flicks where the bad guys come at the protaganist one at a time... 😆
Well done, MadZebra! So close to "Kracken!"
So i've been wanting to get into this game, and I am curious about Destroyers. from what I gathered is that they should
- Stay away from being detected
- Capture points
- Use torpedo's against battleships?
AND, each DD Captain should always look his best so as to present the best possible looking corpse....
Question!
I was curious if you wouldn't just treat the Odin like a much bigger Graf Spee?
Jingles describing Germans when on the retreat
Dangerous the long it last so long when it’s on a retreat and cornered
16:36. "what the hell is he doing?" I would give you 3 chances but you are going to need just one when I give you this hint: "torpedo".
I can see Odin being soft nerfed before long. The Torps have great angles and punch hard, the guns tend to detonate AP with less overpens than larger calibres, the Armour (to a cruiser player) is reminiscent of the Roon, so whilst you need to angle and avoid being on fire, you can wade through 1v1 fire with near impunity. I think this was maybe designed as a premium German supercuiser but with the Turtleback Citadel, it is way too resilient for a cruiser.
0:20 The uniform department seems to have dramatically short-changed you in terms of rank, Jingles. I mean, Tuccy got a Rear Admiral's uniform.
Could you do a Ghost of Tsushima playthrough like you did with RDR2?
We're just about to get this in Legends 😁. I do believe they described it as an upgraded Scharnhorst. 🤷
Hey Mighty Jingles ! Your cat sounds like a destroyer siren some times lol. Mewwwrp!
Orin’s AP get full pen on superstructures and I get plenty of cits on high tier BBs broadside and pretty much any cruiser. You can also fullbpen DDs with Odin. Some of my best games are in Odin and Agir. Don’t underestimate these ships you’ll regret it.
Also she angles well against 406s.
People can say what they like about the Oden but one thing you have to admit is it is a gorgeous ship
12inch guns, mayhaps actually as reality a Battle-cruiser? there are other ships in game that were B C's listed in the BB range.
Why is it so hard to know that Odin is NOT the god of war? He's the god of knowledge, Týr is the god of war. Just like Tor is the god of thunder and Hel is the goddess of life and death and rules in Helheim.
Actually Jingles, the 'S' in 'CEST' doesn't stand for standard but for summer! xP
This reminds me of a game were my side of the team completley collapsed and I found my self sourrunded by 6 enemy ships in my Scharnhorst. And I came out on top and killed all 6 because they came at me in the dumpest way possible.