World of Warships - Dumb Luck
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 6 ต.ค. 2024
- Good judgement can often look like dumb luck to the less skilled. But sometimes it is just dumb luck. How do you tell the difference? The artist formerly known as Flambass is open to suggestions.
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Lol the perfect ending line for that Petro. "you useless spunk bubble."
Also it was most definitely good judgment that happen to get lucky on top of it.
Good players tend to make their own luck
rogue monkey being rogue monkey: fast game die quick and chat critique bad players
@@boristhebarbarian the sad thing is that Petro didn't even die quick: he survived until the end and still was at the bottom of the scoreboard before getting sunk and blaming the Venezia
@@boristhebarbarian I enjoy watching rogue play with Flambass. :)
Jingles, I think you would be proud to know that the moment this happened, EVERYONE in chat were screaming 'WAKE UP THE OLD MAN!'
Twitch chat or in-game chat?
@@Meonium I think he means twitch chat
@@Meonium it was in twitch
It was a good match but that ending made me facepalm more times that I can count xD
I was actually talking to my audience how Yugumo could actually still take Ibuki and Venezia down but the problem is Petropavlovsk, which proceeds to do exactly what he needed to take himself out of the battle.
At that point I started cheering for enemy Yugumo when disaster struck xD
Glad you enjoyed the battle old man ;)
Flambass, i don’t think jingles is going to be too happy about you calling him an old man 😂. Anyway, great game with acts of skill and stupidity, and you did well.
SOoooo what your saying is,....(hope he explains)......I'm clueless 😳, did I just say that out loud? Nahh. Go Flambass😃👍
yup that petro was BRAINDEAD.
he had SONAR ON and could have EASILY avoided almost all of the torps by stopping and turning left
@@cobrazax If you pay attention, the Petro slowed down a bit when he saw the torps, just didn't give 2 shits to even turn... he probably thought he can stop in time or something.
7:13- I love how he just shits on the play Monkey makes haha...
The Venezia might have been spotted just before he fired so there is a good chance he had a pretty good guess of where the yuugumo was.
I think he used RPF since he wrote "radio" a little earlier.
It wasn't spotted, as you can see in the video - the Yugumo was in the display window we were seeing in the video. Also you can see only a "last spotted" indicator on the minimap.
@@thomaskositzki9424 he meant the Venezia captain got detected as soon as the Yugumo cleared the island. Also having RPF tells him the general direction of the Yugumo, so when the Venezia was detected he quickly made a judgement call between what island the yugumo popped out from based on the possible angle of detection plus RPF and he made a predicted shot in the yugumos direction that hit him and killed him. It's still very impressive, but not "dumb luck"
Venezia player is ranked out, so chances are....he's not an idiot and took a bold chance and got lucky.
@@TheGreatBoomy25 Probably... if he has concealment marked on his map and used the rpf he could get a decent estimate about where he was. But 90% luck :)
That was good judgement from the Venezia.... sooner or later he was going to find the sneaky little thing or scare him out of cover.
The Venezia admitted to have RPF in chat, so some luck and some skill was there.
As expected from one of the best polish clans
It's a good judgment gamble. Yes, you know the Yugumo is going to be ducking and hiding around island corners, but it's quite a bit of luck to A guess the corner, and more so, B, actually shoot in the right area to hit the DD...
masasuka Disagree its 50 50. RPF helps. It tells you the direction where it is. All you need to do now is aim at that direction and hope that guy is there.
@@masasuka @MasterofBlitz It also really helps if you aren't spotted and suddenly get spotted or the other way around. Narrows the possible locations down alot.
Just seen it on Flambass‘s channel, but twice in a row never hurt nobody
The one Flambass is showing is live and this one from Mighty Jingles is better bc he Tells us how to setup and we get the best spus ever. Thats His laugh.
Same :)
it's the commentary that counts ;)
that's what she said ...
but I was already asleep.
Flambass is a salty cry baby, possibly the worst wows streamer.
Jingles: I wouldn't recommend a secondary build
Next moment, Flambass' secondaries open up at a target 11 km away....
Hes prob just running aft to extend the range, jingles means its not worth it to take secondary armaments expertise and ifhe as well
@@fabianschwegman3582 And he actually seems to be full or nearly full secondary spec based on the range, dispersion and reload.
It's a case of do as i say not as i do
@asaeampan ifhe wont give you extra benefits in penetration with 127mm guns and the accuracy is already better without the capt skill so youre better off taking fire prevention there
@@theFirstAidKit they are accurate without the modual, but yea ig he took aft
The Venezia also had RPF, which helped him estimate the location of the Yugumo.
Yes, like mentioned by Monkey in Flambass' upload. Strange TMJ never mentioned that in his vid...
@@__MARKR__ I guess he didn't see the pings, venezia pretty much stopped pinging after petro radared
The Yugumo was chanelling Oprah Winfrey. "You get a torpedo and you get a torpedo, EVERYBODY gets a torpedo!"
"HE for everyone"
- KV-2
I would argue a mix of skill, luck, and game-play experience. No different then blind firing a bush in WoT where you know scouts like to hide when you have nothing else to do.
Yep, like my philosophy is if its loaded then u should fire it, even if its 18km away, maneuvering like a jumping bean and there is a mountain in the way. cause its possible ONE shell will go between the peaks, land on the DD and detonate him. The WTF? comments in chat afterwards are just icing on the cake.
it's the kind of luck that comes from experience - you predict what opponent will do from the battles you have played on DD; it's just like firing blind torpedoes spread because you know someone on the other side will try to cross that straight or take a peek from around the corner
Well it's this plus a bit of luck that the Yuugumo decided to default to this common tactic and didn't try to "ghost" around and attack them from stealth everywhere he could. He just stuck to that island "waifu" and refused to leave, which is a bit of luck. But yeah skill and luck mix.
@@AdamBarczynski Agree. But why I never hit ship when blind fire my torpedos to general direction of enemies I estimated will cross in my DD but when I did it in my Italy CA the torpedos frequently hit target?
In WoWs, I would liken it to blind firing DDs in smoke. If they are shooting from within smoke, you have a rough idea where they are. Most DDs don't move while firing out of smoke or move in a predictable forward and back pattern. As such, I can be pretty accurate blind firing DDs in smoke. However, like you said, it is a combination of the skill and game-play experience I just described. This gets you close enough that RNGesus can decide whether or not it is your lucky day. :)
Flambass has no Alt it is his main account he just renames his account regularly now, because of "youtube fame focus kill the streamer" syndrome
Jingles: "I wouldn't recommend a secondary build"
Secondary build Georgia: Has exact same secondaries as Massa, can shoot 11 km out, start fires with hilarious regularity, melt DDs, and are useful against pretty much everything that's not torps (plus BFT and AFT are good for AA)
Jingles, did you forget to drink your tea this morning? Secondary build Georgias run around matchmaking all the time.
I don't think he plays the game anymore so he's going on second hand information. Personally I agree that IFHE secondary builds have been dead since the rework but I have no idea where he got the "not quite Massachusetts secondaries" from or why you wouldn't at least run AFT. Flambass is actually running AFT and manual secondaries in the video haha
In "his own word", I got that Jingles does not recommend ">IFHE< secondaries build", not secondaries in the whole.
... for the rest... well... it's Jingles. :P
(I'm personally a not big fan of "full secondaries builds", running some hybrid-tank/secondaries skills in my Georgia/Massa captain... even more as on USA BBs, if bow-on, BOTH sides' secondaries could open fire simultaneously forward without manual sec...)
@@CapitanoAraym - Agree on the full secondaries build. Go for range, but manual secondaries are not a great way to go. As you stated, secondaries on one side of your ship are wasted with manual. Also, aiming is almost too precise at brawling ranges. This is bad, because the aimpoint is center mass at the waterline. I have Massa and Tirpitz and was running manual secondaries on Tirpitz during the one-on-one ranked sprint at Christmas/New Years. In one match against a Bismarck, the secondaries scored 125 hits on Bismarck...and got zero damage...because of what I just explained. Since that game I took manual secondaries off both ships.
I would say the DD was taken out by a calculated guess.
Yeah, and RPF
Chiger Yelam that’s why it’s calculated.
A large helping of 'Calculation' with 'Luck Sprinkles' on top.
@@robertf3479 so with other words it can be called "Calculated Luck" ? :P
@@brrebrresen1367 Did you just invented a new term?
The venezia may just have the RPF skill, considering most venezias tend to take RPF in their builds. coupled them with those islands and his detection he could make a rough guesstimate and just throw those 15 SAP shells out
"A secondary build...definitely not recommended for this ship"
Every player I've ever played against in a Georgia, including NotFlambass here: Opens secondary fire from at least 10.5km
I watched this live on Twitch - Flambass' reaction was priceless. That complement at the end was from him for the Yugamo.
I literally just watched this on Flambass' channel, now to watch it again!
“I guess it’s pokemon day, got to catch em’ all” Is going down in my hall of quotes 😂😂😂
Oh! This clip. I was watching this live... lemme tell you, it was a riot in chat... RPF Blindfire new meta?
I was also there... Oh my god it was glorious.
What does RPF mean?
@@dracoface7227 Radio Position Finding. Basically, if you have it on your Captain you'll see a little indicator in-game pointing in the rough direction of the closest enemy ship (spotted or not).
@@dracoface7227 Radio Location
Usually DD player use it
Because...
Let's face it
You dont want to get spotted by enemy DD and gang banged by enemy cruisers on the first 2 minutes of the game
That Venezia player made good use of radio location. He was able to torpedo the Mino at smoke and blind fire the Yugumo thanks with help of radio location.
Flambass' division mate mentioned that the Venezia must have had RPF so he at least could get a bearing to fire down.
The funny thing is that the petro player who blames Venezia for his demise was interacting with him quite well in chat.
They were sort of working together.
Jeremy Clarkson.
Iowa: "This is good"
Georgia: "But I like this"
I read that in his voice too
Ignore the haters jingles, just sentence them to lifelong hard doulbe shifts in the saltmines.
That will learn them :)
How can you double 18-hours-per-day??
@@TheRCScotsman new shift times:
36 hours of work, 6 hours room cleaning in the barracks, 6 hours rest.
Works for me mate;)
@@nilswassem7209 Right-o! I'll fetch my broom.
@@TheRCScotsman with great difficulty :P
@@TheRCScotsman anybody who doesnt comply gets 25 lashes on the spot and a bag of salt on the back
Cruisers: Eat torpedoes.
Jingles: "Could you possibly try not to hit EVERY, SINGLE, ONE?"
"You miss 100% of the shots you don't take " SKIL4LTU
More Flambass videos please. don't sell out to the people who doesent want Fambass videos
you do you and we will watch thanks for making videos for us to watch.
This was a hilarious game to see live. We were actually cheering for the Yugumo in chat 😂
And poor RougeMonkey 😢 demoted to just "Flambass div mate" 😜
5:18 That's a mino in the smoke Jingles
Mug of coffee ready, and "The Mighty Jingles has uploaded a new video" message .
What a way to start a day, cheers!
Iowa and Georgia being so similar is due to Georgia's design a precursor for Iowa's final design (if im not mistaken).
I believe it was an alternate design if the navy decided on 18 inch guns over 16 inchers
Considering the fact that the Venezia player on Flambass's team also ranked out to R1 I would say he knew what he was doing for the most part
Always been a believer in the 'you make your own luck' mentality.
Love the flambass replays jingles!!!your commentary over flambass gameplay is always a great combo! Thanks for the video
For sheer entertainment it does not get any better than a match featuring The Great Flambino and his incompetent sidekick MONKEY!!!
The yugumo was practicing the art of not being seen, though he picked a somewhat obvious hiding spot.
The last time I was that early, the whole
"the last time I was this early" thing was not a thing yet ^^
Napalm no
Oh hey Napalm
the last time I was this early i read this joke again
so early jingles put out his own games
"Is that luck, or is that good judgement"? "luck favors the prepared mind"
“Not as good as a Massa”?
Correct me if I’m wrong, but Georgia and her big sister Ohio have the exact same Secondary parameters as the Massachusetts, right?
Massa is also tier 8, so in that regard they’re better
Never have I seen an upload on both channels on the same day...Watched Flambino's game first then to hear Jingles commentary was very interesting.
"Gneisenaus, yep, Georgia feels your pain."
But Jingles, Gneisenau's guns are less accurate, and that's before taking into account that Georgia gets the artillery plotting room upgrade. This is just further proof that Gneisenaus are SUPPOSED to close to torpedo range.
"not quite like USS Massachusetts level of secondaries" Jingles..their secondary armament is identical
Huge lead, 3 caps, 3 vs 1. This could have been another win thrown away, which would have brought tears of laughter and rage by Flambass and company
Home: Check.
Seeing a Jingles Upload: Check.
Ice Cream: Oh sweet baby Jesus you know that's a check, lets go!
5:20 actually Jingles, that smokescreen contained a Minotaur. The Kutuzov would have poor, if any, line of sight on SirPingalot...
I was wondering if anybody caught that as well, same ol' Jingles
Well, I just watched this vid over on Flambass' channel and went to watch my daily dose of Jingles. And lo & behold, exact same game xD
"The USS Georgia is a Tier 9 version of the USS Iowa, which is also tier 9"
salt mines here i come!
Every word in that sentence is correct. This isn't the time to start berating Jingles on factually correct statements
@@mema0005 oh, come on, how many chances do we have to do that? he almost never is factually correct AND funny at the same time
Just saw the replay on @flambass channel, and now I’m rewatching with the spicey commentary from Sir Jingles as a bonus🤣 ... why would it be selling out ... . Go Jingles !
iirc I remember RogueMonkey assuming the venezia had rpf on his captain, because he kept on pinging squares on the minimap to alert the team of the yugumo's potential location and blindfiring into those squares
"A secondary build isn't the best idea" (Flambass' secondaries opening up on DDs over 11km away, definitely a secondary build)
I don't care whose replay you upload Jingles. If it's a good or interesting game then it is just that, and you're good at making that judgement call. I enjoy watching these.
Jingles questioning Venezia's spray and pray actions, while constantly using phrase "If you throw enough shit at the wall, some of it is going to stick". =)
Its exactly like firing into bushes in WoT, except your ship can't run out of ammo, so it was exactly what he should have been doing.
It's a Flambass video, whelp we know how this is going to go.
Oh wait a second... this isn't Two Brothers.
being undetected can lull you into a sense of safety which makes you behave in predictable ways
Plot twist! To be fair Flambass has some of the most awesome games I've seen.
The Venezia said in Chat that he has RPF, but i have NEVRE seen it used like that.
I had to chekc him out, and turns out he´s almost a unicorn.
That was lucky, yes, but pretty impressive.
I was definitely rooting for the Yugumo at the end.
*THIS IS NOT JINGLES!*
At 5:01, Jingles said something he's feels bad about for Gneisenau captains instead of making fun of them! He never does that!
I saw the tail end of this game on stream. It was incredible. Like seeing an unicorn!
That Yugumo .... One of the few IJN DD players who remembers that IJN DDS outside of the gunboats still have guns.
Uhh, Jingles, I'm pretty sure it was Minotaur that was shooting at Flambass in the beginning, not Kutuzov. And his shots at Odin definitely didn't pass the island, he didn't even fire his rear turrets. Aand the AL Yukikaze was defending, not capping. Aaand he definitely was in the shooting range of that Des Moines. Jingles really went turbo with the Jingles moments this time :D
jingles tells us not to spec secondarys, but Flambas has specked at least partially into them
You can never have TO MANY battles of Flambass featured on a TH-cam channel... the more people watch him play, the higher the chance, overall performance will improve
Other than that, the persistent one earns his luck... hard work and a lot of training make sure, what went right this time, got payed for by failure 100 times over
The Venezia has so many guns that it's like emptying your shotgun at random bushes "Just to be sure..."
that yugumo was probably sitting stationary around a corner waiting to fire torps at the first ship he spotted, so good judgement for the venezia since it would be much harder to hit that thing after he is spotted and going full speed
Found you thru Flamu channel. You are best commentator I found so far on World of Warships.
Jingles - 'dont run secondary build on the Georgia'
Flambass - *runs secondary build*
I think, if I may, a lot of the Flambass consternation is that he typically posts these videos to his channel on YT as well, and your commentary is so fantastic, it’s just we’ve seen the battle already (most times)
Keep up the great work sir
It's the old "battleship captains steaming in straight lines" luck that counts.
Oh a Flambass replay that's already on his channel a pity it's always fun seeing people who don't already have their well established channel
I love watching you everyday jingles, well almost everyday.
sounds like confession of a stalker :P
According to Flambass's teammate, who watched the stream of the player who killed the DD with blind fire, he was using radio location to fire on the DD.
6:40 The reason why the Georgia's EIGHTEEN inch guns only dealt about 7000 damage is because Flambass didn't aim for the number 2 barbette at a range of less than 5km. He aimed behind the barbette, half his salvo missed, and 2 out of the 3 shots that did land likely penned through the side of the ship, hit the angled citadel top and ricocheted up through the deck and back out of the ship.
If he had aimed for the barbette at 4.6km range, that would likely have dealt somewhere between 10k-40k damage.
The Venezia had Radio Location specced. So they were guesses, but quite educated guesses.
two emotions when a new jingles video comes out,
1. Maybe today will be the day for my replay!
2. Oh god please no, dont make me look like an idiot.
Nice to see a Flambass game without a Flambass commentary. I find him to sweary for my taste. Although I accept his right to run his channel his way. And I do respect him as a player.
Just watched this on Flambass' channel. Great vid.
The venezia was pinging the map while using RPF. I guess with rpf and noticing when they are spotted may have helped him lock in the lucky shot that killed the DD. I noticed in the chat earlier in the game when someone asked the Venezia after he pinged the map "radio?".
Obligatory: "Damnit Jingles showing nothing but his famous internet friends!"
Those WASD skills at the end need torpedo beats played on a sad kazoo.
Apparently Jingles has ninja reactions, From the time of spotting the torps to impact on Ibuki was 10 seconds.
So finishing a turn you find a torp coming dead straight on to you and you have approx 10seconds -0.5 second reaction time, -1second decision time, -9.5 rudder shift time = -1seconds to decide if you're going left or right, So its 50% chance of getting hit if you go left or right. Unless you're Jingles, He's perfect always.
The petrapavlosk had a 2 second reaction time to the 3 torps, He then had 10 seconds before impace so maybe 5 seconds? to execute either A) turn in and take 2 in the side, B) turn away and take 2 or 3 in the side, or C) go straight ahead and hope to outrun one and take 2 in the side, He tried C and then tried B so took 3 anyway, Nothing he could have done.
Toms Tech that petro slowed down... if he kept going full speed and maybe turned in he wouldn’t have took all 3 tops.
@@Glider5858 Slow down and let them go in front of me, Oh no they're going to hit if I do that so I'll turn into them, No I'll turn away instead, Quick full steam ahead. Oh wait *[dead]* You have 1 second to pick 1 of 5 choices while you're panicked and if you pick wrong you're dead and if you pick right you're probably going to eat 2 torps anyway. From first sight of torps he had maybe a 6% chance of living.
I just watched it on Flambass' channel
That's a lot of what in the end
I don’t know how hard it is for those cruisers to dodge some Yugumo torps. Face palm every time.
Dumb luck or an educated guess or judgement ... when all else fails I'll take dumb luck. I look at it like I would (and so would you) pumping shots into a smokescreen where our 'target' has had a chance to change location, hoping to get lucky and hit something. We've all done that. I would have complemented the Yugumo as a "Worthy Opponent," he played it very well.
Some of those torpedo hits, the ones the cruisers receive while trying to comb the torpedo spreads, seem to be due to not knowing enough about the ship's handling, or not being comfortable enough with it. Others, however, are clearly the result of a lack of due vigilance...
watching your videos actually has made me join the world of warships and the first time I ever shot torpedos in a match a member of my team jetted in front of me and took all four and then starts yelling at me after he saw me drop them in the water. So I was like sorry first time playing my bad and finished the match.
Did jingles forget that RPF is still a thing. The Venezia was probably using RPF to approximate where to fire.
Jingles - I would like to complain that you don't show enough of Flambass' videos.
That's INSANE! Keep it up, The Mighty Jingles.
1:56 Wait a moment, hasn’t Georgia got the exact same secondaries as Massachussets?
It is basically an Iowa that has a different hull, different guns that fire different shells, different dispersion, a different engine, different heals, different repair party, modified duel purpose secondaries, different max speed, different rudder shift, different turning circle, different detectability, a speed boost... but it's basically the Iowa. ;)
well Jungles : Kutuziv has 8km Toprs (not really short range), Starboard is the RIGHT side of a ship, not the left and according to the voice chat in Flambass channel, the Venezia had RPF and therefor a pretty clear idea where the Yugumo hung out^^
You'll never get a complaint from me about featuring Flambass games or those of other CCs or TH-camrs. I watch almost all of Flambass' TH-cam postings already, but seeing the game with his in-the-moment commentary on stream vs. yours made after the fact are not only informative but entertaining. Keep up the good work.
Me too, just watched in Flambass channel.
But I DONT CARE. I need to here Jingle's commentary!!!
The closing moments of the game. Yeah, that was surreal
TH-cam now just loops the same 2 videos when you just let it go the "Up Next"
Flambass is running full secondary spec (or close to at least) as do I. The Georgia has identical secondaries to the Massachusetts.
I like the Thumbnail with the half black and white image, looks good!
You are a complete sell-out..... A sell-out to the reasonable people who enjoy you and your content;) Keep up the good work and have a nice weekend
I really dont care who or what is being featured i jus watch your channel to listen to you