A Man for All Seasons (1966) - Because I Believe Scene (3/10) | Movieclips
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- A Man for All Seasons - Because I Believe: Thomas More (Paul Scofield) explains his morality to the Duke of Norfolk (Nigel Davenport).
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When the highly respected British statesman Sir Thomas More (Paul Scofield) refuses to pressure the Pope into annulling the marriage of King Henry VIII (Robert Shaw) and his Spanish-born wife, More's clashes with the monarch increase in intensity. A devout Catholic, More stands by his religious principles and moves to leave the royal court. Unfortunately, the King and his loyalists aren't appeased by this, and press forward with grave charges of treason, further testing More's resolve.
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Cast: John Hurt, Nigel Davenport
Director: Fred Zinnemann
Screenwriter: Robert Bolt
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"I trust I make myself obscure." The charisma on this man lol
I love the character of Norfolk
He's nobility but down to earth and a good friend (and hilarious)
RIP Paul Scofield (January 21, 1922 - March 19, 2008), aged 86
And
RIP Nigel Davenport (May 23, 1928 - October 25, 2013), aged 85
You both will be remembered as legends.
More was not only clever, but a good friend.
this is the best movie i've ever seen
Mis-titled. The title should be "Ye Lay Traps for Me" The beauty of the scene is in the lines:
More: "Have I your word that what we say here is between us two?"
Duke of Norfolk: "Oh, very well."
More: "And if the King should command you to repeat what I may say?"
Duke of Norfolk: "I should keep my word to you."
More: Then what has become of your Oath of Obedience to the King?"
Duke of Norfolk: "Ye lay traps for me!"
This movie is full of More's wit, from beginning to end.
Yes, but the next line from More is even stronger: No. I show you the times.
"This isn't Spain, you know. This is England."
"I show you the times"
Disturbing for America and for these times, too.
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I love that line and think of it often. "This isn't (fill in the blank) ya know....this is (fill in the blank)!"
It can be unpleasantly appropriate pretty often these days.
"This isn't some banana republic ya know.....this is America!" Yikes.
“This isn’t Spain, you know?” “This is England.”
Time passes and nothing changes. They still fancy themselves somehow unlikely to engage in the kind of despotism they deride on the continent, yet they in turn are invited - and then duly accept the invitation - to prove the contrary and teach the world a thing or two, in the process. How sad.
See the subjugation of Ireland, particularly its Catholic population.
@@eugeneclasby518 The English saw the Catholic Irish as puppets of the pope, its one of the reasons why Oliver Cromwell was so persistent in his treatment of the Irish... from Henry VIII time till the mid 20th Century, many English people saw Irish Catholics as potentially subversive of the British crown.
England was one of the first countries in Europe to ban serfdom, parts of Europe continued it to the 19th century it was the first proper democracy on a LARGE scale since ancient times as the King became a figurehead and Parliament was supreme, parts of Europe had absolute monarchies into the 20th century, it banned slavery and and had to drag Europe kicking and screaming into doing it as well. Twice it had to save Europe from madmen who wanted to conquer it. When the end of Empire came, it gave it up, unlike parts of Europe that were fighting, and in some cases still are, to keep it. That's why the majority of it's ex colonies are success stories whilst the majority of the ex colonies of France and Spain are not.
Meanwhile Europe swung from absolute monarchies to bloody revolutions to tinpot dictatorships and fascism.
England is right to be proud of political history and is right to look down on Europe for it. Whine all you like, actions speak louder than words and England's actions back up their boasts.
Who’s whining now? Jingoistic ranting does not change the outrages of British Colonialism. (I do acknowledge their outlawing the slave trade when other countries like my own were trying to prolong it by any means, including civil war.)
God Bless your dignity, courage, worth, sacrifice and Truth, Saint Thomas More.
Enjoy Heaven and please pray for us.
Amen Glory to God in the Highest level of Love forever. ❤❤❤
More was a religous fanatic in a time when politics and religion were inseparable. he tortured and condemned men because of their beliefs. he played the Game and lost as did Cromwell.
@@kevinlatham5661
On the contrary Saint Thomas More did not "lose!". In fact his knowledge of God and His allegiance to the Holy Catholic Pope and King Henry VIII of his time enabled him to "win". Afterall, who would quit for earthly allegiance (man idol gimmick) when we have knowledge of our everlasting God and His reign both in Heaven and earth???
Are you telling me it's good moral behaviour to cause the death of, even cut the head off Queens, who no longer are of sexual, plus, "use" to man, even a king??? It's bad enough even today with the contrived arrogant structure evident in society "of man"- God spare us from such non moral behaviour, obviously embedded in Society!!!
Thomas More wasn't a Saint for nothing regardless of your allegations!
Let's face it he was unjustly killed for the Kings whims, (inept and lying Courts), and obvious wrong doings! God spare us from such weakness especially in so called Kings!
As I keep reminding myself and us, "God is not stupid!"
God Bless, love, you, yours and all. Thank you
Amen Glory to God in the Highest level of Love forever. "He is Risen"❤🙏❤
@@annemcquade7185 your beliefs are your own, they give you support and hope. I do not want to seem to disrespect your values and beliefs but historical facts do not show More or indeed any of the main actors as moral ethical and altruistic in their motives. It was a violent vicious time, only the strong survived.
@@kevinlatham5661
With due respect that is probably why your movie creators etc , missed out the true moral facts!
Oh and my obvious knowledge - which we will all have or aquire one day, certainly will show that these facts are more than "values and belief!"
Oh, and again with no disrespect to Darwin's "survival of the fittest" line, or the mantra "only the strong survive", I am glad that Saint Paul reminds us "when I am weak then I am strong". Tu comprends?
Such "selfish survival" acknowledged in vicious times, is certainly not the Teaching of Jesus Christ, or why would Sir Thomas More have willingly sacrificed his life in the first place???
You see Sir Thomas More was not stupid either! Got it?
So let's hope we (all) aquire or get better brains too, since real survival enables one to basque in Love and Peace eternally, okay.
Let's hope our so called advanced society has Peace and all other good moral attributes characteristic of our certain life to come in Heaven. The latter, our real and PERMANENT home of God's unique everlasting Love.
Glory to God in the Highest level of Love forever. ❤❤❤
"He is Risen" Alleluia Alleluia.
Praise the Lord God Almighty eternally. ❤❤❤🙏
This was set in the 1530s before the great ‘vowel shift’. I love Nigel Davenport’s Norfolk but he would NOT have had a ‘Sarf London/Estuarine’ accent because it simply didn’t exist back then. The accent of Henry viii and his noble subjects was a lot more ‘Ant and Dec’ than ‘Towie’
Oh dear, this means that all the effort they put into this film was wasted. If only they had known.
@@paulhicks6667Did you expect them to speak Middle English?
"Not that I believe it but that I believe it I trust I make myself obscure" I'm clueless he is certainly being unclear but that doesn't mean he doesn't have clarity on the matter. If so what is he really saying or what would he say if he really trusted the Duke or what would he say if he was a fool like the duke and didn't understand the consequence of telling him the truth in such treacherous times.
There's a clue to what More means by that line later on in the inquiry scene. In that scene, Norfolk again makes a pragmatic appeal; he doesn't try to say that More is wrong, just asks him to sign for the sake of friendship and unity. More doesn't say why he won't sign, but he says that he fears that betraying his own conscience is what will condemn him to Hell, and says he doesn't know whether Norfolk will be condemned or go to Paradise, not knowing Norfolk's soul. It's not the worry of being objectively right or wrong in his belief that scares him ("not that I *believe* it"), so much as betraying his own sense of conscience and conviction by swearing something he does not believe ("but that *I* believe it"). He would rather forfeit all he has than live a lie.
@CEGP12 that was very well put. Thank you so much for helping me see that connection.
“if I am obliged to bring religion into after-dinner toasts, I shall drink-to the Pope, if you please-still, to Conscience first, and to the Pope afterwards.”
- St. John Henry Newman, Letter to the Duke of Norfolk
For all the power negotiations around the English monarch this one line always rings true:
"Power lies at the end of a gun barrel" aka MIGHT makes RIGHT.
A completely different tjme when kings set about conquering foreign lands to make themselves appear powerful, and "God's will on Earth" for if we can be for God, who can be against us?:
How far humanity has come in but a few short 400 year period.
What incredible dreams await us in space and beyond in the next 400 years!.
Can someone explain to me the historical context of these scenes?
Henry VIII--a young, devout Catholic named the "Defender of the Faith", a title the monarchs of the UK still maintain--married his brother's widow, Catherine of Aragon, though she was quite a bit older. She bore him no living sons. He fell in love with Anne Boleyn. The pope, Clement VII, refused to annul the marriage, as they had clearly slept together (annulment could only happen because of non-consummation, basically.) But Catherine had gotten pregnant, even borne sons. None lived more than a few months. And she was getting older.
The King, though, wanted that heir. So, failing to get an annulment or a divorce (illegal and against Catholic teachings/law) Henry split from Rome. He founded the Church of England/Anglican Church in 1534 and married the younger hotter Anne to continue his line.
Thomas More was the King's chancellor and well respected as an honest man and a devout Catholic. He refused to break with the Catholic Church and swear loyalty to the new Church of England. Henry had him chopped.
Basically, this is why England isn't Catholic today, the roots of the Armada, and much more.
@@MrBrachiatingApe Nicely put!
@@MrBrachiatingApe And you also forget the biggest, unforseen impact of The Protestant Church Reformation: In a hurry to teach their young citizens, England had English taught alongside Latin. Church masses were then transcribed into the new English, so that ALL od England could read and had basic spelling command of the English language.
Though the average peasant found it difficult to work 60 hours/week and attempt to read the Protestant Bible, slowly adopted it. Great minds e.g. John Milton, Kit Marlowe and even Shakespeare(though I believe he arrived much earlier and his folios work disseminated to public thrqters,.after,.his demise.
A literate nation was more capable of defending itself.
And England, while fighting in Ireland, against Papaists, the desire o educate every child at least to 8th grade IF they could handle the edication, proven that an educated work force was a more.capable fighting force.
Many Reformations were to come but the ground rules were set in the Police State which was Queen Elizabeth's reign.
@@souloftheage also sir Thomas more was said to have tortured Protestants in his house and having them burned at the stake. Also he had other children too, not only one child as depicted in the movie.
And yet it remains very current.
Norfolk is right. England is not Spain
Hmmm
Against Vaccine mandates ???
Hebrews 9:27,
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Absolutely awful, what happened to Fred Zinnemann there? Like a school production.
Explain yourself
Your opinion. This movie is a masterpiece.
I didn't know it was possible to be this wrong