Just ordered the black Helm homage 2 days ago! Love the looks, now the waiting game... Not that I needed a 12th watch... but for $85 incl vat and shipping I couldn´t resist
Since Jody released the Origin, the wait times on the Helms (Vanuatu especially) seem to have dropped. I am seeing about a 3x quicker run through the Vanuatu waitlist than prior to the Origin release. I'd suggest that people have now bought the Origin and have decided to not get the Vanuatu. And to be clear, I have both and got my Vanuatu waitlist notification after receiving the Origin.
Great value option. If you;re worried about the bezel "action" and the lume: two things I've learned in my watch journey are 1) lume is overrated, it's a cute luxury but not super functional; 2) bezels often don't line up and get bumped, but we're not timing anything other than noodles on the stove. The biggest downside to this watch is the horrible tiny clasp, which can be replaced. The lug placement is also better here, it's too low on the Helm. The thickness of the Helm is also a common complaint, it is >2mm bigger than this one. The hands are gorgeous, fat and easily read. Thanks for the quick initial impression!
I bought this watch with both the white and orange dials, a fantastic deal. And they keep perfect time. Glad I did not waste time brining on a waiting list for decades to get an over priced helm.
Why is it that whenever you link to an Aliexpress watch it always tells me that that version of it can't be shipped to my address and the only ones that can are like 50% more expensive?
bought the black one !What a great looking quality watch...compared to the Helm it has the same movement and the case is also made of surgical stainless (316L) brushed steel, ....so I'm a little confused why you say "it's all brushed=cheaper"...The Helm was also made in China...great review...very entertaining and your camera work/quality is fabulous!
You can get a Helm used for a few dollars above retail and the wait lost is not as long as you think . I bought the Serica IXDAO homage as Serica messed up the movement so bought the homage with a Selita . I felt bad but Serica dropped the ball . A homage to an Iwc is fair enough but Micro Brands are struggling to survive in a fierce market. I am not against homage watches but if the real thing is patience or a few dollars above retail then get the original . You will wear and love it more because it's not just an object with a spec sheet . It is an emotional decision buying a watch . It's hard to love a homage
On the face of it a really good buy but the killer for me is the "aqua diver " which looks like it's been done on a label maker and stuck on on the white one can't really tell on the black one. Worth buying to change the dial (sterile one) and you'll still have a decent cheap watch.
I waited 14 and 18 months for my Vanuatu and Komodo, it was well worth the wait. However, if you don't want to wait that long, I don't see a problem with this.
@@e28forever30 Its OK for the money. Very bright and keeps it for a good while. Not as good as say a Steeldive, but way better than a Pagani. Thing is these days, I don't really use my watch at night time to tell the time, I check my phone :)
Got the orange version bezel is not good very easy to turn by accident when working etc bracelet is poor quality as well but it looks great dial colour is spot on
I think I have managed to get 1 coupon to work on the 6 occasions I have bought Aliexpress watches. It is probably a rip-off more than chaos IMHO. Just as well the items are as cheap.
I joined the Helm waiting list and passed up on the opportunity to buy an original Komodo - twice. I like the watch but it just looks a bit too thick for my preferences. I also feel a bit daft buying a super capable diver when I spend my life avoiding water.
A couple of years ago I managed to get the white dial Helm, and I sold it. During the the long wait I had sort of moved on. But I will say these Cadisens are much thinner than the real Helm Komodo.
Lol i just got a Helm Komodo and loving it. I had to wait 4 years on the list. I can understand why people would buy it. I bought it not just for the looks, but the ISO rating, build and lume
I saw a Momentum watch homage on AliExpress that looks amazing - the funny thing is that I am not sure it isn't from Momentum itself because of the logo?
I've been looking to buy the white dial version for about 2 months now and it's been "sold out" for the whole time in the USD$65 range. No problem with the black and orange versions at that price. The link here won't ship to Canada. Some links appear to be European sales only?? Finally I relented and paid USD$100 to the "Cadisen official store".
I vote for pressure testing both pieces. The Helm isn't really known for finishing but they are known for their individually tested water proof watches.
Very strange. After seeing the reviews of these tickers l went onto Ali express,and foe some reason it says it is not possible to ship to my country (England) As l say very strange 😕
All watches are homages of each other anyway in some form or another. Clothes, cars, jewelry etc., are all homaged. As long as they are not 1:1 copies I am fine with it. In this case I rather pay for the Helm brand, as many others do with other brands, but that's just me! :)
I thought the bezel was awful, I sent mine back, worst bezel I have ever seen, so much slop and if you pull on it even slightly it comes away from the case. The Helm has 3 raised prongs to engage with the bezel this has one.
@@multipl3 It can't be that expensive to press out the 3 prongs on the steel ring that engages with the teeth on the underside of the bezel. Charge a few quid more fix this and the lume and it's a great watch.
@@rodpanhard Automatic watches for less than 100 Euros from Ali are quite a gamble. I had good experience with Steeldive and Addiesdive. Pagani, Phylida, Guanqin were all rubbish though all having significant flaws. I haven’t tried Cadisen and probably won’t.
@@ilikewatches There is no doubt about legality. The question whether watches like this do any harm is debatable. But what I’m criticizing is this annoying inappropriate or whitewashing use of language among many TH-cam watch reviewers, including you unfortunately. This watch is *not* “paying homage” to anything or anyone, there is clearly no “paying” and no “homage” involved, but quite the opposite. I’m just asking you to call it what it is, which is a design copy and not a „homage“.
The terms you want used are dangerous as they can be misinterpreted by TH-cam and put a channel at risk when they aren’t doing anything wrong according to the law. The terms we use are often used as a way of protecting the channel from misguiding TH-cam into thinking the watch is an illegal copy, which they aren’t.
@@ilikewatchesFair enough you being extra careful in this regard given your past experiences with YT. But I‘m pretty sure the rich English language has better words to offer than “homage” which is by all accounts plain nonsense and fuels the fruitless discussion about these kind of products each time it is (mis)used again.
It’s also laziness, a habit and sentence we say often, it comes to mind, is low risk and I agree, many are copies not homages but there just aren’t that many different ways to safely convey what it is.
Ironically there is now a shortage and great demand on the white dial models…. They are not always readily available. Testament to Helm’s creativity and design philosophy. The homage is now also wait listed.. lol
Sorry Gary, I don't support this type of content. Love the channel, and you otherwise get very high marks for impartiality and ethical content, but a clear copy of a micro brand is over the line for me. An homage of a famous watch from one of the big brands is fine (a little dubious, but I do own a San Martin ranger homage) but I'd prefer it if you leave the little guys alone
I follow the law on these matters and if it’s legal I’ll show it and if it’s illegal I won’t. The Cronos I refused to show recently was borderline illegal as they used the CW logo on the dial and that logo is legally protected. I understand your stance and it’s probably a common one which is why I covered it but it’s not illegal and I was interested in it so I showed it. I’m sure you understand.
Still stuck on Seiko JDMs over here. Would like to purge all my Chinese watches eventually. The thrill of a Chinese watch wears off rather quickly. PS: Poor Helm.
You couldn’t use this as a dive watch the bezel moves so easily it’s dangerous and you wouldn’t be able to trust it. It would probably fail under pressure anyway.
Absolutely beautiful (even if Helm gets all the credit). If the bezel was even halfway decent, I'd order it immediately. Unfortunately, while I want to like Cadisen, I've been repeatedly disappointed by their weak bezels. No, I'm not planning to use it for diving, but a tight bezel is a must--and honestly, I can't see why this isn't easily and consistently accomplished. Everything else is great...love the look, dimensions, price. So close, yet so far. Definitely a missed opportunity. Maybe I'll hold on for a version 2. Thanks for the review!
Hey Gary, well, you sold me this watch - twice. The first one I traded away. However, the price dropped, I found a tremendous coupon code and Cadimodo is once again on its way to me. Nope, not a perfect watch, but hot diggity is it a fun one and, for me, was super enjoyable to wear. Thanks^2
Ive had good luck with several Cadisons including a 62 mas homage. I'm not going on any waiting list for any watch so some of you can just go on clutching your pearls
@@SingleTrackMinedHelm is not unobtainable. Their wait lists are long but they work in a deterministic way so everyone can estimate when it will be his draw. And Helm is cranking out a lot of watches, 150 pieces times the number of models per month is more than most microbrands could ever dream of.
@@SingleTrackMined You simply cannot. And no amount of childish insistence is going to change that. So either show some mature patience or get a poor copy.
@@ulig12 Waiting for a Helm makes me a sucker, not immature, but your ad hominem is indicative of lack of human qualities. I don't argue with those beneath me. Bye.
@@SingleTrackMined Insulting some 10000 watch enthusiasts on Helm‘s waiting lists as “suckers” sure demonstrates superior human qualities and watch knowledge, right. Boy oh boy.
It's OK, not as chunky as the genuine Helm but solid enough, the one I got was a little sticky up at the head of the watch though end link to first link just on one side.
@@ilikewatchesof course Gary! Definitely a nice watch for the doje. I like the dimensions and specs! Black is my choice. I think it's a great idea when considering the Helm list and how much your getting in value compared to the cost of the Helm. Also not as big and chunky so that is a plus for alot of people IMHO. Great review as always Lad! Cheers!
Stop spreading misinformation. It was a Cronos and it had the CW logo on it which is why I refused to review it. This watch doesn’t have the helm logo on it so I’m happy to show it.
Look again, they were raised CW logos and I’m not risking my channel to show you a watch. CW uses an identical dial, why…BECAUSE THEY ARE CW LOGOS REPEATING ON THE DIAL 🤦🏻♂️
So now they are making "a homage, of a homage"? Will Helm be taking legal action? Everyone can afford a proper watch. Just save up or buy secondhand, and then you'll have a quality piece for the rest of your life. Something to be proud off. Not something embarrassing.
10atm/100m its not a diver , and this added sticker "aqua diver" looks realy cheap, I would rather wait 19 months one more time for my titanium helm, than buying this one
Blatant ripoff of a microbrand that is doing things super right, they should be ashamed of themselves for copying Helm. The reason why Helm has such low production is precisely because they are a very small company focusing on quality and not quantity. If you can, afford to pay $285 for the real thing, you shouldn't buy this trash copy. Cadisen goes on my never to buy list.
@@clorox1972 Helm’s production output is far from low. And they seem to have it increased from around 150 to 200 pieces per month per model. That is roughly 1200 watches per month, all individually tested to ISO standards.
In don't like the name "cadisen" but it's affordable for those who can't get a helm if its available in India , a country where you cant even buy from aliexpress . its allright .
@@k.g.l3336 languages evolve, definitions change. If you think the logo is the only difference, then it is bad news for Helm, but I doubt that’s the case.
We really need to stop using the word homage, as if it's some kind of get out of jail free card. These are straight up knockoffs which really shouldn't be allowed, especially when they're ripping off IP from micro brands. I'm sure Rolex, Omega, etc laugh at them, but the micros are probably being hurt by these thieves.
@@sz-4b0B9I Thank you! Yeah, the big brands don't care because the cheapo demographic isn't their target. I doubt whether they lose a single sale to these impostors.
@@ilikewatches Not everything that is not forbidden is ok, Gary. You are old enough to know that. But now we know where you draw the line, which is quite a little more out there where I would draw it.
@@ilikewatches That may be true, but is it unheard of for watch reviewers to have ethics? I'm beginning to wonder... Or maybe ethical behavior is just a waste of time, and I'm naive and stupid.
@@sz-4b0B9I yeah, that's probably true, and it's also difficult to create content with very expensive watches unless you already have a reputation in that sphere. A $50 knockoff is probably good for thousands of views, and the revenue generated far exceeds the expense of the watch, if it was actually purchased by the reviewer...
If you sing beatles’s song as your own - it’s a steal. If you’d try to shoot a movie about darth vader - it would be steal. If you’d right a book about boy mage living in magic school castle - it would be a steal. But somehow a copy of a watch is homage! Sorry, it’s a a real big pile of stinking BS. Homages are what they are - pesky CRIMINAL copies. There are microbrands who do their own design for same money as criminal copies you call homages. Boo. PS. If the watch costs as much as movement alone - it probably is utter crap.
Just an idea but you can simply add your email address to the Helm wait list then forget about it. Two years later you will get "the call" and be given the opportunity to buy a high quality original design watch for £250 rather than waste money on this turd.
Just ordered the black Helm homage 2 days ago! Love the looks, now the waiting game... Not that I needed a 12th watch... but for $85 incl vat and shipping I couldn´t resist
Since Jody released the Origin, the wait times on the Helms (Vanuatu especially) seem to have dropped. I am seeing about a 3x quicker run through the Vanuatu waitlist than prior to the Origin release. I'd suggest that people have now bought the Origin and have decided to not get the Vanuatu.
And to be clear, I have both and got my Vanuatu waitlist notification after receiving the Origin.
Great value option. If you;re worried about the bezel "action" and the lume: two things I've learned in my watch journey are 1) lume is overrated, it's a cute luxury but not super functional; 2) bezels often don't line up and get bumped, but we're not timing anything other than noodles on the stove. The biggest downside to this watch is the horrible tiny clasp, which can be replaced. The lug placement is also better here, it's too low on the Helm. The thickness of the Helm is also a common complaint, it is >2mm bigger than this one. The hands are gorgeous, fat and easily read. Thanks for the quick initial impression!
I bought this watch with both the white and orange dials, a fantastic deal. And they keep perfect time. Glad I did not waste time brining on a waiting list for decades to get an over priced helm.
Gary please make a video with Simon talking abt your fav watches in your current collections..
Why is it that whenever you link to an Aliexpress watch it always tells me that that version of it can't be shipped to my address and the only ones that can are like 50% more expensive?
I waited on the list for Helm Vanuatu so I don’t feel so bad buying this from cadisen. Plus, helm make their watches in china anyway so 🤷♂️
bought the black one !What a great looking quality watch...compared to the Helm it has the same movement and the case is also made of surgical stainless (316L) brushed steel, ....so I'm a little confused why you say "it's all brushed=cheaper"...The Helm was also made in China...great review...very entertaining and your camera work/quality is fabulous!
You can get a Helm used for a few dollars above retail and the wait lost is not as long as you think .
I bought the Serica IXDAO homage as Serica messed up the movement so bought the homage with a Selita . I felt bad but Serica dropped the ball . A homage to an Iwc is fair enough but Micro Brands are struggling to survive in a fierce market.
I am not against homage watches but if the real thing is patience or a few dollars above retail then get the original . You will wear and love it more because it's not just an object with a spec sheet . It is an emotional decision buying a watch . It's hard to love a homage
On the face of it a really good buy but the killer for me is the "aqua diver " which looks like it's been done on a label maker and stuck on on the white one can't really tell on the black one. Worth buying to change the dial (sterile one) and you'll still have a decent cheap watch.
I’m not going to get into the Homage discussion, but it’s a hell of a watch for the money. And I like Simon’s better for sure. Thanks!
Bought one! Under 60 quid delivered with a Seiko NH35 movement!! It is a No Brainer!!!
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I waited 14 and 18 months for my Vanuatu and Komodo, it was well worth the wait. However, if you don't want to wait that long, I don't see a problem with this.
Had this watch for a few months now and really like it. I have the white dial and my bezel is really nice. Nowhere near as loose as either of yours.
How is the lume?
@@e28forever30 Its OK for the money. Very bright and keeps it for a good while. Not as good as say a Steeldive, but way better than a Pagani. Thing is these days, I don't really use my watch at night time to tell the time, I check my phone :)
It looks surprisingly good. An excellent material for beginner polishers. 😊
Split screen works great. Good show!
Thanks! Using it more now
i have the orange one. The watch looks great. The bezel and the clasp are really awfull
Got the orange version bezel is not good very easy to turn by accident when working etc bracelet is poor quality as well but it looks great dial colour is spot on
I bought this watch with your affiliate link but it ignored most of the Ali Express coupon iI tried to redeem. What a chaotic ripoff that site is.
I think I have managed to get 1 coupon to work on the 6 occasions I have bought Aliexpress watches.
It is probably a rip-off more than chaos IMHO. Just as well the items are as cheap.
I joined the Helm waiting list and passed up on the opportunity to buy an original Komodo - twice. I like the watch but it just looks a bit too thick for my preferences. I also feel a bit daft buying a super capable diver when I spend my life avoiding water.
A couple of years ago I managed to get the white dial Helm, and I sold it. During the the long wait I had sort of moved on. But I will say these Cadisens are much thinner than the real Helm Komodo.
I would buy the turquoise version tomorrow but I am put off by the difference in colour on the hands, bezel and indices.
Would be ironic if Helm used Cadisen to help with the demand 😅
Lol i just got a Helm Komodo and loving it. I had to wait 4 years on the list. I can understand why people would buy it. I bought it not just for the looks, but the ISO rating, build and lume
I only waited 2 years.🤷♂️
I saw a Momentum watch homage on AliExpress that looks amazing - the funny thing is that I am not sure it isn't from Momentum itself because of the logo?
I really like the coin edge bezel. It looks way better than the ones that look like stamped sheet metal
They need a black dial version with the blue/green lume from the white version! The black dial would work so well with that coloured lume.
I've been looking to buy the white dial version for about 2 months now and it's been "sold out" for the whole time in the USD$65 range. No problem with the black and orange versions at that price. The link here won't ship to Canada. Some links appear to be European sales only?? Finally I relented and paid USD$100 to the "Cadisen official store".
that "AQUA DIVER" speed bump puts me off so much from otherwise a watch i would get
I have the White one. Very happy with it. Reviewed it on my channel too. Great watch ❤
Great watch - ordered the white version straight before your review was finished 😅
Do we like the orange dial or not, really can't decide if I want one!
Much as I would say "indices", your US fans probably all say "indexes", so it probably doesn't matter so much. Definitely nice looking watches.
For the money these are they dont look bad at all... Great review.
A friend of mine also has it but with a different color it's a nice watch
I vote for pressure testing both pieces. The Helm isn't really known for finishing but they are known for their individually tested water proof watches.
Not bad. Good watch at a very affordable price.
Very strange. After seeing the reviews of these tickers l went onto Ali express,and foe some reason it says it is not possible to ship to my country (England) As l say very strange 😕
@@antonysmith9173 This happens quite frequently and not only to UK destinations. I suspect it is due to some legal issue with customs.
@@ulig12 Right. Thanks for the info.
They look good but I think I will better wait for my Helm Vanuatu Titanium. I think it will come in one or two months. 🕐⚙️🍸
All watches are homages of each other anyway in some form or another. Clothes, cars, jewelry etc., are all homaged. As long as they are not 1:1 copies I am fine with it. In this case I rather pay for the Helm brand, as many others do with other brands, but that's just me! :)
I thought the bezel was awful, I sent mine back, worst bezel I have ever seen, so much slop and if you pull on it even slightly it comes away from the case. The Helm has 3 raised prongs to engage with the bezel this has one.
@@rodpanhard for the price they will never match the quality.
@@multipl3 It can't be that expensive to press out the 3 prongs on the steel ring that engages with the teeth on the underside of the bezel. Charge a few quid more fix this and the lume and it's a great watch.
@@rodpanhard Automatic watches for less than 100 Euros from Ali are quite a gamble. I had good experience with Steeldive and Addiesdive. Pagani, Phylida, Guanqin were all rubbish though all having significant flaws. I haven’t tried Cadisen and probably won’t.
does no one ever wonder that may be that cadisen is the factory that made the OG watch? not the other way around? hehe
“is paying homage to” is a term that should be banned from any watch review forever.
If it’s legal then no…no one cares about individual people’s opinions, law is what matters and if it’s legal then no harm no foul
@@ilikewatches There is no doubt about legality. The question whether watches like this do any harm is debatable. But what I’m criticizing is this annoying inappropriate or whitewashing use of language among many TH-cam watch reviewers, including you unfortunately.
This watch is *not* “paying homage” to anything or anyone, there is clearly no “paying” and no “homage” involved, but quite the opposite. I’m just asking you to call it what it is, which is a design copy and not a „homage“.
The terms you want used are dangerous as they can be misinterpreted by TH-cam and put a channel at risk when they aren’t doing anything wrong according to the law. The terms we use are often used as a way of protecting the channel from misguiding TH-cam into thinking the watch is an illegal copy, which they aren’t.
@@ilikewatchesFair enough you being extra careful in this regard given your past experiences with YT. But I‘m pretty sure the rich English language has better words to offer than “homage” which is by all accounts plain nonsense and fuels the fruitless discussion about these kind of products each time it is (mis)used again.
It’s also laziness, a habit and sentence we say often, it comes to mind, is low risk and I agree, many are copies not homages but there just aren’t that many different ways to safely convey what it is.
Ironically there is now a shortage and great demand on the white dial models…. They are not always readily available. Testament to Helm’s creativity and design philosophy. The homage is now also wait listed.. lol
Sorry Gary, I don't support this type of content. Love the channel, and you otherwise get very high marks for impartiality and ethical content, but a clear copy of a micro brand is over the line for me. An homage of a famous watch from one of the big brands is fine (a little dubious, but I do own a San Martin ranger homage) but I'd prefer it if you leave the little guys alone
I follow the law on these matters and if it’s legal I’ll show it and if it’s illegal I won’t. The Cronos I refused to show recently was borderline illegal as they used the CW logo on the dial and that logo is legally protected. I understand your stance and it’s probably a common one which is why I covered it but it’s not illegal and I was interested in it so I showed it. I’m sure you understand.
@@ilikewatches fair play, thanks for explaining your position
I love homages of watches I have - gives me a chance to act all snobby. I can see why people get Rolexes.
Still stuck on Seiko JDMs over here. Would like to purge all my Chinese watches eventually. The thrill of a Chinese watch wears off rather quickly. PS: Poor Helm.
"The bad news is that they're really....good!" -ILW
You couldn’t use this as a dive watch the bezel moves so easily it’s dangerous and you wouldn’t be able to trust it. It would probably fail under pressure anyway.
there nice enough I suppose ,don't really excite me though but cannot argue with the price
Absolutely beautiful (even if Helm gets all the credit). If the bezel was even halfway decent, I'd order it immediately. Unfortunately, while I want to like Cadisen, I've been repeatedly disappointed by their weak bezels. No, I'm not planning to use it for diving, but a tight bezel is a must--and honestly, I can't see why this isn't easily and consistently accomplished. Everything else is great...love the look, dimensions, price. So close, yet so far. Definitely a missed opportunity. Maybe I'll hold on for a version 2. Thanks for the review!
Hey Gary, well, you sold me this watch - twice. The first one I traded away. However, the price dropped,
I found a tremendous coupon code and Cadimodo is once again on its way to me. Nope, not a perfect
watch, but hot diggity is it a fun one and, for me, was super enjoyable to wear. Thanks^2
ripoff or not for $65 looks like a decent beater
See how it works after 5 years 🤡
I was disappointed with the lume. Would have paid more for killer lume.
Ive had good luck with several Cadisons including a 62 mas homage. I'm not going on any waiting list for any watch so some of you can just go on clutching your pearls
I’d be a bit pssed off if I was Jody! - Just teasing, Jody😅
I don't think so! 😅
Beautiful copies of unobtanium. If Helm don't want their watches copied they should maybe try to keep up with demand. I like the black. Cheers!
@@SingleTrackMinedHelm is not unobtainable. Their wait lists are long but they work in a deterministic way so everyone can estimate when it will be his draw. And Helm is cranking out a lot of watches, 150 pieces times the number of models per month is more than most microbrands could ever dream of.
@@ulig12 I would like a Helm watch today. It is unobtainable today. Couldn't care less about the statistics of their company. Thanks
@@SingleTrackMined You simply cannot. And no amount of childish insistence is going to change that. So either show some mature patience or get a poor copy.
@@ulig12 Waiting for a Helm makes me a sucker, not immature, but your ad hominem is indicative of lack of human qualities. I don't argue with those beneath me. Bye.
@@SingleTrackMined Insulting some 10000 watch enthusiasts on Helm‘s waiting lists as “suckers” sure demonstrates superior human qualities and watch knowledge, right. Boy oh boy.
Can't the Chinese think more carefully about how they name their watches. Some of them are definitely very weird
Simon is a nice guy.
The lume must be better than the Helm.
At 6:35 you have labelled it index Gary its indices 😊
Both are correct
How's the bracelet?
It's OK, not as chunky as the genuine Helm but solid enough, the one I got was a little sticky up at the head of the watch though end link to first link just on one side.
Is this a review or an appreciation video? 🙃
So if a Helm homage has a matte face, is it a Matt Helm?
I would get it if it didn’t have piss poor lume. Would pay more as well
The lume on the black one is good....on the silver dial version it is poor because of the colour of the lume.
@@ilikewatchesof course Gary! Definitely a nice watch for the doje. I like the dimensions and specs! Black is my choice. I think it's a great idea when considering the Helm list and how much your getting in value compared to the cost of the Helm. Also not as big and chunky so that is a plus for alot of people IMHO. Great review as always Lad! Cheers!
You turned down a Cronos (edited 😉) for looking too much like a CW, and you're OK with this watch?! LOL
Stop spreading misinformation. It was a Cronos and it had the CW logo on it which is why I refused to review it. This watch doesn’t have the helm logo on it so I’m happy to show it.
The watch had 3D crosses on the dial, which is not proprietary to CW
Look again, they were raised CW logos and I’m not risking my channel to show you a watch. CW uses an identical dial, why…BECAUSE THEY ARE CW LOGOS REPEATING ON THE DIAL 🤦🏻♂️
Still not a Helm though .
Good job this time
So now they are making "a homage, of a homage"? Will Helm be taking legal action? Everyone can afford a proper watch. Just save up or buy secondhand, and then you'll have a quality piece for the rest of your life. Something to be proud off. Not something embarrassing.
It's a nope from me, the idea of copying a microbrand doesn't work for me im afraid
Agreed. Ironic that this is OK, yet reviewing a Cronos because it had a pattern sort of similar to Christopher Ward's design on it isn't.....
10atm/100m its not a diver , and this added sticker "aqua diver" looks realy cheap, I would rather wait 19 months one more time for my titanium helm, than buying this one
Call it as you want, at the end of the day is the money that you spent in this hobby what it count.
I still have my $65
Look great!
Bezel too big. Indices generic looking. Hands look like balloons. Personal preferences. But for the price I'd say it's a good value
Blatant ripoff of a microbrand that is doing things super right, they should be ashamed of themselves for copying Helm. The reason why Helm has such low production is precisely because they are a very small company focusing on quality and not quantity. If you can, afford to pay $285 for the real thing, you shouldn't buy this trash copy. Cadisen goes on my never to buy list.
@@clorox1972 Helm’s production output is far from low. And they seem to have it increased from around 150 to 200 pieces per month per model. That is roughly 1200 watches per month, all individually tested to ISO standards.
In don't like the name "cadisen" but it's affordable for those who can't get a helm if its available in India , a country where you cant even buy from aliexpress . its allright .
Why it has the same cheap movements?
They make their watches in the same place cadicen does paying lower for a different name on the dial is a very sensitive decision.
Waffle??!! You?? Nooooo............. I won't have that.😁
Homage by definition special honor or respect shown publicly not copying another’s design and cashing in with a cheap facsimile😅
@@k.g.l3336 languages evolve, definitions change. If you think the logo is the only difference, then it is bad news for Helm, but I doubt that’s the case.
We really need to stop using the word homage, as if it's some kind of get out of jail free card. These are straight up knockoffs which really shouldn't be allowed, especially when they're ripping off IP from micro brands. I'm sure Rolex, Omega, etc laugh at them, but the micros are probably being hurt by these thieves.
@@sz-4b0B9I Thank you! Yeah, the big brands don't care because the cheapo demographic isn't their target. I doubt whether they lose a single sale to these impostors.
There is a line, a legal one…if it’s legal you can do it, if it’s not you can’t. Ethics is not law. The only thing that matters is the law.
@@ilikewatches Not everything that is not forbidden is ok, Gary. You are old enough to know that. But now we know where you draw the line, which is quite a little more out there where I would draw it.
@@ilikewatches That may be true, but is it unheard of for watch reviewers to have ethics? I'm beginning to wonder... Or maybe ethical behavior is just a waste of time, and I'm naive and stupid.
@@sz-4b0B9I yeah, that's probably true, and it's also difficult to create content with very expensive watches unless you already have a reputation in that sphere. A $50 knockoff is probably good for thousands of views, and the revenue generated far exceeds the expense of the watch, if it was actually purchased by the reviewer...
These reviews are getting lazy
I am always trying to improve my content. I appreciate comments like this because it pushes me to evolve. How can the videos be better?
If you sing beatles’s song as your own - it’s a steal. If you’d try to shoot a movie about darth vader - it would be steal. If you’d right a book about boy mage living in magic school castle - it would be a steal. But somehow a copy of a watch is homage! Sorry, it’s a a real big pile of stinking BS. Homages are what they are - pesky CRIMINAL copies. There are microbrands who do their own design for same money as criminal copies you call homages. Boo.
PS. If the watch costs as much as movement alone - it probably is utter crap.
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This is bottom of the barrel stuff. These watches dont warrant any time or consideration
Just an idea but you can simply add your email address to the Helm wait list then forget about it. Two years later you will get "the call" and be given the opportunity to buy a high quality original design watch for £250 rather than waste money on this turd.
LOL. "Waffle Alert".
Pathetic. A homage (more like direct copy) of a microbrand.
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