Could Movie Superman Defeat Movie Thor? - DCEU vs MCU
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- Could Movie Superman Defeat Movie Thor? - DCEU vs MCU. By far one of the most discussed VS battles in history is Thor, the Asgardian prince, VS the Man of Steel himself, Superman. Although it's a very complicated topic when the comic book iterations are involved, the movie versions are certainly easier to scale due to there being far less source material to go off of. So, who is stronger, who is faster, and who is the better fighter? I decided to go over feats, scaling, statements, and the like to determine which one of these gods amongsts mortals would come out on top in this legendary bout!
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Who do you think wins this matchup? The man of tomorrow, or the god of thunder?
I honestly have Thor. He has way better feats
I'm giving this to Thor. He has far more experience and greater durability.
Guts from Berserk vs Etrigan From DC comics
@@newbornviking9721 I like this idea.
This match up was awesome but what about my mom and dad in a court custody battle?
Ah yes Thor vs Superman the matchup that even rivals Goku vs Superman and Thanos vs Darkseid
What about Luke Skywalker Vs Artoria Pendragon
@@Leontrophic682 i drawn Deku x Tohka lmao
Yeah cause nitpicking diffrent stories makes sense.. 😅
Goku at least has a stright line story and not varuhus diffrent storeies where he sometimes is Op and sometimes low powered..
@@Leontrophic682 Since when was this a thing?
Nope. Darth Vader vs Mahito is more iconic. Can't believe you forgot to mention it.
TH-camr: MAKE EM FIGHT!!
Them in question: but I don’t wanna fight..
"Creation-Feats and Destruction-Feats go hand in hand" Hahaha, wtf
When you just want to write good fanfiction but people only care about the fight scenes
@@lolstalgic9602 you understood the deep meaning
Two big muscled beautiful men going at each other…oh my…I’m going to need a minute here
That is kinda sus
I love it
Don't worry, you're not alone
Sounds like something Deadpool would say
hahaha you done?
Is u gay bro
Odin: its power has no equal.
Also Odin:” that hammer was meant to help you focus your power”
Not even toaa 😂
Odin lied... He knew of hella, celestials, Zeus lighting bolt, and infinity stones. All are above it.
@@gergernzero6904 when does Odin ever tell the truth
Odin didn’t lie about hela😂 no one asked or found out her existence to question it.
@@treythegreatwhite
It implied in "no equal" ...
I think MCU Thor and DCEU Superman would be friends due thier personality
Minor spelling mistake ☝🤓
Superman has little to no personality in the dceu. Bros only emotion is being sad.
@filthywalffe2633 true but there are some other versions of Superman that are good characters.
@@filthywalffle2633 What do you mean? He was happy around his mom, and when he took his first flight.
@@AngelloGomez-nh6cc definitely, I agree, but dceu Superman is a robot
Just because a character "dodges" a photon based projectile doesn't mean they are reacting or moving at the speed of light. For example in the clip he showed of iron man 3, Killian is dodging iron man's blasts because he can see iron man raise his hands and begin to shoot. He just has to be faster than the guy shooting, not faster than the projectile itself
FUCKING THANK YOU! So many of these channels try to say that because someone dodges an attack means they are moving at the same speed when that isn't at all the case.
I didn’t even watch the Superman part yet but he’s giving the benefit of doubt because Superman is relative to flash in speed who literally traversed timelines
@@swagkashithat's what these guys do.
Try to highball people in order to make the fight more even, so neither fanbase loses their minds.
Reality of it is that thor was getting blitzed by quick silver.
Who is about 2-5x faster than speed of sound, in the MCU.
However, thor has very good travel speed feats, as a result of his weapons.
Kinda like how a pilot can travel 1k times their actual speed. But they'll never be able to fight at that speed
Finally someone understand 😂 damnit
Except most the examples he showed have them reacting at the same or after the projectile is fired
I swear we need a new way to measure speed of characters, cause stating everyone is Flash levels of speed, when they have no attacking feats in those speeds is insane.
It's more reaction and reflex than actual movement and attack speed
@@jcvandyck3537 the thing about that is that reacting to a light speed attack doesn't scale you to that, sometimes you just see the attack coming and block before it actually attacks you
Exactly if superman can move at the speed of light than those wildebeests in the safari that dodged him can move even faster according to this logic
@cbte4452 I mean, saying he can move at that speed doesn't mean he is going to do it at all times does it?
@TheBombasticFatRat your right. I just put it like that because that's how to creator was scaling speed. For example he said quicksilver was faster than mjolnir but couldn't dodge bullets even though mjolnir clearly isn't always traveling at full speed
I mean In regards to the experience. I think Superman should be given a little more credit. General Zod has WAY more combat experience and Superman with none was fighting him casually.
ONLY because he acrually had MUCH more experience using his powers and was categorically stronger and faster that Zod due to being on Earth longer while Zod was literally learning his powers during the fight.
@@justinanderson2460 He wasn't stronger or faster. They were equal physically. If being on Earth for 33 years made him stronger, he would've had no problem with Faora and Nam-Ek, but he did. Clark also never used the full range of his powers until the movie, so it's not like he had much experience either.
@@kanyerahming I thought he was struggling with them because he was holding back?
@@Zaacdrums Why would he hold back? They were endangering Earth and he had to stop them, and there was zero implication he held back anything. He wasn’t fully confident he could take them down either, based on Faora’s statement. Sure, he’s not actively trying to kill them, but he’s not pulling punches either.
@@kanyerahming if your not trying to kill someone. Aren’t you actively holding back. But I watched the scene again. I don’t think he was holding back. He just can’t fight for shit
BIG BOY FEATS in this video!
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@@ChuckAre we forgetting that a star, the thing that nearly killed thor would power up Superman. If the battle went into space, this fight easily goes to Superman. On earth, it could go either way, although i do think the speed difference gives Superman a hyge advantage. Also, i truly do believe Superman is more durable and can potentially dish out more damage.
@cw9468 That's still a really insane durability feat for thor. because that's Superman hax. It's like saying ice living in a place of -9999 degrees when's that's his hax. Thor didn't have his storm breaker. Otherwise, he would've survived way longer. Superman also struggled to survive a nuke even though he was in a weakened state. Same even thor thor a blast of power stone, a bad beating for thanos, and still survive minutes, unlike Superman, who surggle to survive a nuke. So thor takes durability
Thors weaker versions withstood punches from ultron who is more powerful than a nuke lol. Thors durability is planet +++++
15:10 that is the biggest asspull argument 😭
At that point give Thor all his concept art feats
Not at all that was literally the story Zack Snyder wrote and was going with until WB did him dirty that's why he released it
@@terrancehowell7888It never happend tho which means its non canon its just a idea atp
Great stuff as always, thanks!
My pleasure!
Stand Proud Superman You Are Strong.
Nah I'd punch
The strongest main superhero of DC vs the strongest main superhero of Marvel. This fight will determine which one of them is the challenger.
Superman is the definition of the Strongest
@@kanyerahming thor is the strongest marvel super hero ??? you have got to be kidding me lol , even scarlet witch or doctor strange prob can fuck thor up and he wouldnt even know =))
@@phamchithien if you were a jujutsu kaisen fan, you probably would’ve understood my reference. But I was quoting a line from JJK and applying it to this. I know Thor isn’t the strongest lol
This is to me a great example of how characters are portrayed being at odds with their actual scaling. I have no doubt Superman is narratively meant to be more OP than Thor in their movies but Thor scales higher and would therefore win.
Being the most overpowered in their world doesn't mean that they'd be the same in a different story.
Thor isn’t winning against Superman
@@demongod6878 What if he does?
@@ether2275 Judging by the 80+ years of Superman's history and around 60 years of Thor's history, Thor ain't got anything on Superman I mean if u read the comics Thor doesn't even go to a fight without his belt of strength Megingjord, same in the movies
@@Faster_than_light_x This has nothing to do with it.
Power scaling is so dumb. How it would actually go going off of their fights would be very similar to Superman vs Steppenwolf, where Superman just wipes the floor with Thor.
MCU Thor has the potential to kill DCEU Superman the question is, can he even hit him?
Yes, yes he can
@@AuroraBoostno he can't, sup is way too fast
@PPPPPPPPP135 Sup is fast but it's not gonna stop Thor's thunder from striking him if he gets near him. I'm giving the edge to Superman but the fight can literally go either way
Yeah, why wouldn’t he be able to?
You spent almost 11 mins talking about Thor in a 16mins versus video, I already knew you’d say Thor wins…
Superman wins easily
Cool vid as always
Thanks!
thank you chuck i always like it better when you do the live action movie versions compared to comic book versions
Thank you for watching!
No way Thor wins this fight
Thor does EASILY
@Fentanylenjoyer... bruh stop the cap 😂😂😂
Technically that scene of quicksilver getting shot was the same quicksilver who fought none stop at Ultron drones and using his punches on their metal bodies and I am sure it hurts like hell and he didn't take a break or a moment to catch his breath so that was a very tired quicksilver that couldn't react to bullets
Note: someone commented me that the air was also getting thinner because the city was getting higher
plus he used himself as a shield instead of moving them far.
Bro before he caught those bullets he was well rested and in the carrier chilling before he saw Hawkeye in danger, he wasn’t exhausted or tired, he wasn’t just fast enough…. We can also see the scene when Hawkeye shot the glass quicksilver was standing on in the avengers mansion, the bullet wasn’t statued or anything, it was moving in exactly quicksilver time, moving at the speed quicksilver moves. And that also tallies with the fact the director Whedon said quicksilver was just as fast as a bullet… so of course it’s clear he couldn’t outrun bullets
@@AOTmultiverse I don't remember him being on the hallicariar
@@Spmnls so he died a hero
@@AOTmultiverse I don't remember him being on the hallicariar before running at Hawkeye to save him
DCEU Superman vs MCU Thor (With Proof):
1: Superman was able to separate the mother boxes using his sheer strength. They form something called The Unity, which turns the planet's population into parademons and the planet itself into a firey hell world. So you could scale this feat to planetary level.
2: It was confirmed by Zack Synder that SteppenWolf fought the original Doomsday and their battle resulted in the destruction of a moon. So SteppenWolf can survive the destruction of a moon but can’t stand up to Superman’s punches.
3: In Zack Synder’s Justice League we learned the Kryptonian metal can with stand its core of being heated up to 3,500,000 kelvin. The centre of our sun is 1,100,000 kelvin. In Man of Steel Superman used his heat vision to take down a Kryptonian ship. So his heat vision would be 3x times hotter than the sun.
4: Superman has high durability. He took attacks from Faora-Ul, Nam-Ek, General Zod and Doomsday. Superman took a nuclear bomb to the face and it’s believed that he would’ve taken it no problem if he wasn’t still under the effects of kryptonite that Batman used on him.
5: He effortlessly beat the Justice League. Superman was also moving so fast he made them all look like statue’s except for Flash.
6: During his fight with SteppenWolf he just made him look stupid. Superman was moving so fast that SteppenWolf couldn’t even land a single punch on him.
7: During Man of Steel we know that the world engine is a Kryptonian terraforming ship. Just by landing it was able to annihilate mountains. So that means it’s made out of something that can withstand a mountain destroying impact. Not only did Supermam destroy the world engine he did it while WEAKENED and standing under a gravity beam that was single handily destroying the Earth. Superman was in the middle of that beam and he was at ground zero. He was taking all that force as well as all that energy and overpowered it.
8: SteppenWolf’s Electro Axe had absolutely no affect on him whatsoever and his axe is said to be stronger than Wonder Woman’s sword.
9: Superman could easily just statue Thor during the entire fight. He could easily disarm him of Stormbreaker and use his freeze breath to destroy it. Just like he did with the Electro Axe.
10: Thor May have taken the full force of a Neutron Star but he would’ve died from it if Groot didn’t make the handle for Stormbreaker. Thor’s weapons are like 80% of his power. He’s nothing without them.
11: Thor’s Battle IQ is completely useless. I mean look at General Zod. He said to Superman, I was bred to be a warrior trained my ENTIRE LIFE to MASTER MY SENSES. Yet Superman still beat him.
12: Also Thor has absolutely no experience in fighting Kryptonians.
Who the fuck told you that Thor is nothing without his weapon? Did you see Thor Ragnarok?
@@RokibulHassanRaihan-lk6nq
1: At the start of Avengers Infinity War Thano’s had Thor at his mercy and this was after Thor had tapped in to his true power. I mean if Thor is really that freaking strong, well then he should’ve destroyed Thano’s during the first encounter.
2: Thor even admitted without Stormbreaker facing Thano’s is suicide.
3: He couldn’t even fight the Hulk in Avengers (2012) he needed the help of Mjölnir.
4: During Ragnarok Thor’s strongest lightning blast didn’t do shit to Hela and before you use the excuse (as long as Hela is on Asgard she gets stronger,) look at his fight with the Hulk after he tapped into his true power and punched Hulk wasn’t even knocked out by it just a little bit fazed. So that tell me that Thor’s true power is nothing special.
5: In Avengers Endgame he had access to Mjölnir & Stormbreaker but was still getting his ass handed to him by Thano’s. Even with the help of Iron Mam & Captain America. Again before you bring up another excuse Thor was out of shape, The Russo Brothers even confirmed this was Thor’s strongest state.
6: At the start of Avengers Infinity War Ebony Maw was able to restrain him with metal bars. I mean he’s the GOD OF THUNDER not some regular human.
7: When Gorr trapped Thor, Lady Thor and Valkyrie on some planet Gorr fought Thor and stole Stormbreaker off him, so it seems to me Thor is can be very easily disarmed.
8: In Thor Love & Thunder he was getting his ass handed to him by Gorr and Lady Thor had to come and save him, otherwise he would’ve died.
9: In Avengers Age of Ultron he was again getting his ass handed to him by Ultron and Vision had to come and help him.
10: This isn’t got to do with his weapons but I can’t ignore this one. In Thor Ragnarok he got a chip stuck to his neck and couldn’t rip it off and was taken out by it whenever the grandmaster used it.
@@deanlennon4604All of this is wrong Thor absolutely slams Superman
@@twixological: Nah dude. Unless you can provide logical reasons is to why Thor wins, Superman dominates.
@@deanlennon4604 Thor outscales and we can debate it
If Supes lets loose, I don't think Thor can even tag him.
He has the feats to, though
@@kanyerahmingno he doesn’t 😂
@@epsyfn he can consistently react to light speed attacks and scales to characters who do. How doesn’t he? Superman doesn’t have feats like those
@@kanyerahmingyour trolling right?
@@someflayd7451 no, I’m legitimately serious. I can’t think of a single speed feat Superman has that’s above Thor’s, unless I’m missing something
Here before Danco steals this
Lmao
He already did this matchup tho-
I agree with the result though I disagree with some feats.
1 Him able to throw Zeus' lightning bolt and piercing his chest doesn't make him after or more powerful than him. Remember Zeus here was not serious and pretty ridiculous hence not operating at his peak.
2 Hela wasn't throwing daggers faster than the bifrost. If you're in a plane moving at light speed and you throw a ball, will it be moving faster than the plane?, No. The bifrost acts like a tractor beam in which you can only move at the same speed as its attractive force.
3 Him withstanding a force of a neutron star for 4min,20 sec is both impressive but also low showing as that same feat nearly killed him if he didn't acquire stormbreaker on time.
4 Zeus was afraid of the Nekron sword which could kill any deity which means we can't scale gorr's strength feats based on the sword. Also Jane foster(thor) faired well against Gorr which make his strength feats not that impressive as he also was fighting on par with Thor most of the movie.
5 Since Stormbreaker isn't a worthy based weapon, there's a possibility that Superman can and will use it against Thor just as Thanos did.
6 MCU characters have speed inconsistencies throughout the films.
Thank u for this sound reasoning
This about to be heat
Close fight...if Suprman was holding back afcorst
Oh please. It would be a good fight in general but Clark would lose more than he would win.
Superman loses horrible. Thors way stronger and more durable also faster travel speed and overall power
@@mythicaltyrant7476 bruh 🤦♂️
@@PPPPPPPPP135 get mad at the feats not me
@@mythicaltyrant7476the feats say Superman would no dif Thor instantly 💀
MCU Infinity War Thor is crazy. God of Thunder Mode that lets him one shot Hulk. Tanking a Star attack, while a moon attack nearly wiped half the Avengers. Only Avenger stronger at the time was Dr.Strange
"Creation-Feats and Destruction-Feats go hand in hand" Hahaha
@@slevinchannel7589 There is no creation feat there? A star blasted Thor’s chest, a moon landed on the Avengers. Both durability
Yeah that same neutron star would power Superman up lol
@@nerdcorner2680 pieces... not the whole moon. if the entire moon hit the planet they are all deadl
@@mmanzanozr1 so superman gets powered up by all suns now......................?
Unless Thor aims for the Head. Catching Superman offguard. he doesn’t even stand a chance. He‘s completely outmatched in every way. His best chance is Stormbreaker as kryptonians have a weakness to magic.
When has Kryptonians having a magic weakness ever been addressed in the DCEU? I swear everyone thinks comic logic always applies to the movies for some reason even if the universes are different
@@kanyerahming in BVS Wonder Woman‘s sword was able to cut off Doomsday‘s Arm who was far stronger than Superman at that time. I don’t think Amazonians have access to a type metal that could pierce Kryptonian skin. Wonder Woman’s sword as well as her shield, lasso and gauntlet are imbued with magic.
@@connorhawke4373 her sword is just that sharp, I don’t think its magical. Her lasso def is tho.
@@kanyerahming nah that’s the sword of Athena and it‘s definitely imbued with Magic
@@connorhawke4373 when was that stated though? not disagreeing
i love how good the video topics are and how good the video quality is in this channel, keep it up chuck
Much appreciated!
now this is a good matchup
great vid man, always thought MCU was quite downplayed on wikis
Glad you liked it!
I’m pretty sure Thor wins this fight. He’s has the clear advantage in AP and durability, and overall hax with his lightning magic that he can fire either from his weapon or omnidirectional from his entire body while unarmed, his control over the bifrost as a projectile blast could be a threat too. Superman only has a speed advantage which is arguable, his heat vision can be countered or dodged by Thor, and his frost breath wouldn’t do much of anything IMO compared to the frost powers and extream temperatures thor has dealt with.
Thor is also clearly the superior fighter skill wise, not only having thousands of year’s experience, but in overall technique and battle IQ. The odds of him finding a way to win is higher than Superman doing the same against someone he can’t simply overpower which would be the case here.
That is cope
Superman will absorb the Star's rediation and get even stronger bro
@user-ro3ju8ds9i I like how you are saying this guy is coping when i have seen you under so many comments trying to argue with people on why Superman wins. You are the one that is coping. Also, you say that Superman can get stronger in the sun like Thor would just let him. And you dont even know how long it would take for superman to get as strong as thor using that method. So please stop, you're embarrassing yourself.
@@gamingtoast7974 bro the video even backs me up wtf are u talking about😅
@@gamingtoast7974 I said Thor being durable because of the neutron star feat is irrelevant because superman would get stronger from it if superman was in a similar situation with the neutron star ...😄 how is that cope ..superman gets stronger from solar radiation .Thor wouldn't even know it's making superman stronger coz he doesn't know anything about superman ...by the time he realizes it it would be too late
Thor's feats on Nidavaliir are crazy, and nothing Superman does in the Snyderverse films comes close. Moving rings of that size within the gravity well of a neutron star is a bonkers strength feat, and tanking the entire power output of that same star for a full minute is mindblowing durability.
Chuck I trust your power scaling completely.
superman>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>thor
Almost completely agree. Although two main things I kinda disagree. But I'll leave it aside as this is still the very near perfect video for both characters. Mad respect for being completely unbiased
Thor the god of thunder got electrocuted so...
ANOTHER W. 🗣️💯🔥
Thanks for watching!
Talking about speed feats. We just gonna forget Thor flying straight to the center of the universe to chase after Gorr in less than a minute of movie runtime? Thor blitzes the fuck out of supes lmaooo
Travel speed
Thor only managed to do that because of Zeus's thunder bolt.
that's the bifrost enchantment that acts like a portal. anyone that enters it is getting sent the speed of whatever. it's not even individual combat speed.
Travel speed and combat speed are 2 different things.
@@JasonNuhuhe still has it😂 and it’s talking about movie Thor.
It'd be a close fight
Henry Cavill's Superman can achieve Mach 27.5 so no it’s not close
@@Vdrater that's supersonic, not superluminal like Thor proved to be
@@JeSsE10mCcOy11 he doesn’t consistently move at those speeds superman fights constantly show him moving at those speeds
@@JeSsE10mCcOy11 he can react to those things but he can’t move at those speeds consistently
@@Vdrater you said that Henry Cavill's Superman was only supersonic fighting speed. So explain your inconsistency again?
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Thor destroys
Also, Thor has better mftl+ arguments
Which is most likely aim dodging light beams
@@justindai8401 light speed beams aren't mftl+
Glad you covered this topic,alot of people think dceu super man is going to blitz mcu thor which is wrong by the way. Thor wins mid to high diff.thor has more source material and feats from movies that put him above dceu super man.but i do agree the fight would be close.
The beginning of justice league alone gives wonder women a feat above Thor she defeated ares who defeated darkseid sups came back not fazed by an attack by someone who defeated doomsday powered up? Crack came back or it never left 🙄
@@JeZuse777 nope.did you pay attention to his video.thor has a higher AP,raw power and durability than super man but not a massive gap, which puts him above Wonder woman.The Darkseid that was injured in battle was not at his peak.
@@JeZuse777 just because she defeated Ares does not make her above Thor. power scale Ares properly with feats
So mcu fat old zues is op got one shot by Thor but a young ares taking out a billion year old darkseid is him being young ha ha stop it. Because ain’t no more power ups Superman get it the fight when he would defeat darkseid and the powered up steppinwoulf didn’t even fazed him. Thor is not seeing Superman my guy.
@@JeZuse777 shh, watch the video properly and keep your opinions to your self
Thor is inconsistent too but don't forget supes effortlessly destroy black zero and zod clearly stated this ship can survive in black hole for eternity ☠️ so imagine where mos supes ap and dura scales and don't forget he also destroy world engine in his weak form and this is also relative to black zero and clearly stated Thor's nidavalier feat is 50 thousand k temprature but mos supes heat vision is far more then 3.5 million k ( clearly stated )
Also supes scales higher then gods and same gods created limitless power objects like atlantean steel and dream stone and a wall which saprate them from creation and also gods r stated primordial forces of creation and dceu have multiverse ☠️ also Barry destroy a universal reality by his lightning bolt and same Barry can't even break nam ek suit by his lightning and zod casually broke his Armor and mos supes >>> zod 🗿
Done, Supes won, why argue.
I don't think Thanos threw his blade at light speed.
If he didn't, Carol would have been able to catch up to it.
@@ChuckDon’t photons move slower in an atmosphere than in the void of space ?
@@Chuck Other than the usual “for the story”. If Thanos had the capability to throw any object at relativistic speeds, none of the fights would’ve lasted as long. It’s likely that he was just closer to the van, or maybe Carol wasn’t flying fast, just incase she couldn’t stop in time
@@Chuckbro no ...
@@valou-scalingLight in air is 1.0003 times slower than light in a vacuum, which slows it all the way down from 299,792,458 meters per second to 299,702,547 meters per second. That's a slowdown of 89,911 meters per second, which looks like a lot but is only three ten-thousandths of the speed of light. Not much difference at all
I think Thor takes this he had better feats and shown more durability and skills plus he’s more experienced Superman faster but that’s it probably equal in strength and endurance
Superman is definitely 5 x stronger physically and he's way too fast. I don't think thor can even hit him once before the fight is over
@@PPPPPPPPP135 he’s not sorry Thor shown way better strength feats in movies tho after holding open a STAR!!! that’s the sized of a small planet
superman would break thor in 2 before he can blink 🤣. i'm marvel fan but it's the truth. thor is not a god, he's basically an alien. but superman strength and speed is far beyond thor period.
Thor takes literally every stat except iq debate me
I respect this video because you specified the movies and the versions of the character's we're talking about. Idc what anyone thinks on this one because at least we're limiting it to 2 specific versions of each character. I get so sick of "Superman vs character" vids where we just pretend like there's not about 100 yrs of history and at least 5 different versions of Superman from different eras that range from reality warping/godlike powers to high end superhuman.
I thought it was stated that thor shook the entire planet of jotunheim
Not even close, you keep forgetting that Thor can open portals and all he has to do is open a portal to a universe with a red sun and just kick the shit out of him,
Superman would hate Thor. While Thor has a strong streak of nobility, he is quite arrogant and brash with no concern at all for the property or sometimes even lives of that of Earth. Did Thor ever pay compensation for the destruction of the town in NM, NYC, or the tens of thousands of lives lost due to him and his brother's rivalry? Or the casual backhand of people like Stark? Superman would be pissed to be treated like that - he'd instantly develop a dislike of Thor, thinking he's the same as all the popular bullies that treated him wrong before.
For cinema Thor and Superman, is there any question of power levels? FTL speed Superman who can smash skyscrapers to smithereens, heat vision that can slice them up vs Thor whose lighting covers about 25 meters radius at most. Cinema Thor is pathetically weak. Superman can win instantly.
If you don’t use the storyboard wank for Superman and grant the old school lack of magic resistance for Superman Thor definitely wins IMO
But the question would be is Thor's lightning even magic? I don't think MCU has actual supernatural magic, just highly advanced scientific manipulation and technology. One could also argue Thor's lightning is normal natural lighting simply summoned by means of magic.
Smallville superman from season 11 comics and superman when sundipped from CW superman and lois have a higher chance of soloing mcu thor then dceu superman unfortunately lol anyways good job Chuck you the best bro 😎👍please do more mcu vs dceu battles in the future if possible.
Thank you for watching!
Speed in combat and travel: massively hypersonic + to light speed
Are we not taking narrative into account here? Narratively Superman is portrayed as someone who fights with the speed he travels with. Thor's combat speed is not nearly as fast as him traveling while throwing mjolnir. I don't think Superman would perception blitz him, but I doubt Thor could really keep up. Superman wins this mid-diff
Im a simple man. I see a Chuck video I click faster than Flash.
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Why are you ignoring the facts that Thor can bleed, injured in 5-10 hits from Thanos and tired in fights he can be stabbed,loses his eyeball, while nothing can scratch Superman unless it is kryptonite also Superman’s punches generates shockwaves and electricity can’t conduct through Superman’s body making him resistant to lighting attacks also if hella can break Thors hammer then Superman too, in summary Superman will cut Thors head with his own Stromebraker before Thor even realise also saying they are relative in speed so wrong look at WWs speed she shows more impressive feat of speed than Thor ever has and She got speed blitz by Superman also Steppenwolf can’t even land a blow on superman also when first time Thor destroyed bridge that was active vs second time was inactive that's why it takes times to break it in first place do your research properly
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Bad argument. And it’s out of character for Superman to decapitate anyone
@@kanyerahming yes it is out of character for Superman
@@kanyerahming dceu superman ....it's in character ,he snapped steppenwolfs horn with heat vision. ...He broke zods neck
@@kanyerahming Thor is really just carrying a weapon superman can one shot him with ..its kinda sad
I've always wondered this.
Doesn’t Thor know a little magic? That’s like kryptonite to Superman
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It all depends on Superman if he wants to go all out or not,,,if he holds back Thor wins. But if Superman decide to let loose or get angry..He’ll beat Thor like a child lol
Movie Superman vs Movie Thanos would be great match rather than movie Thor.
Superman > Thor ... strenght Superman, speed Superman, endurance Superman, durability Superman, power varity Superman, intelligence Superman, power boost Superman, healing Superman, weapions Thor, suit protectivness Thor, combat Thor, expirience Thor, less weeknes Thor, fight IQ Thor, will power Thor ... total Superman 8:7 Thor ... Superman wins.
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@@ChamupaJayasingheyes😂
@@PPPPPPPPP135 prove
I thought this was gonna be mainline comics versions
That'll be down the line!
@@Chuck YES YES YES YES
its kinda obvious that superman wins in comics, would be an interesting video though
@@dexays. I'm not going to even argue I'm just going to seem surprised
Hell yeah I can't wait @@Chuck
I'm of the opinion that they could both kill each other. Thor likely can't take a blow that could potentially fracture a whole planet. But superman is weak to magic.its one of 2 of his weaknesses. Only issue would be how he would go about hitting superman. Cause they don't compare in speed at all.
Here's one aspect you left out, that is super relevant to how Superman is Superman in The Man Of Steel version. There is something equally relevant that Kal El has going on with him that is just as profound, if not more than all of Thor's experience. The Codex. All of the genetic potential of Kryptonians and peak of functionality in every possible task in a very ancient and advanced society was held within the codex. They genetical programmed and predetermined a kryptonians destiny of what they would be by biologically hijacking them to be hyperfunctional relative to certain archetypal societal tasks. That entire codex is bonded to Kal. I think this implies for sure, that Superman isn't just Superman because of his powerset. But because he is genetically predisposed to be the best at everything essentially by the entire codex being bonded to his DNA.
Think about it. Zod was a Kryptonian trained to be a soldier and genetically engineered to be the ultimate soldier, so we're his minions. They also had armor and Super weapons, Aircraft. And Superman beat all of them.
I always took it as it was because the unlimited potential that Clark stored in his DNA, unilateral of his Kryptonian Powers.
Superman takes the Win because of The Codex.
Mcu Thor slams bad
I can tell Superman would win due to the difference of their fights. For example, Superman and Zod destroy much of a city including several sky scrapers. Meanwhile Thor vs Loki is contained to the top of 1 building. Superman fodderized his team while Iron Man and Hulk were both able to fight Thor well enough, even show superiority in certain ways. Superman dominated Steppenwolf who could argue would beat Thor. Etc
Context is does not support this argument. Do more research.
@@justinanderson2460 care to explain?
@@Battle-Enjoyer324+
Sure. Several things. For starters, the DCEU Snyderverse movies go out of their way to create spectacles of damage and destruction to present the character's feats and power in a clear and overt manner. The MCU by and large, only do this when necessary. The entire style of of the movies and how the feats are presented are different. So there's a meta element before we even get into the lore itself.
Speaking of, Zod and Clark were fighting the way they were in a no-holds barred, fight to the death, clearly going all out and Zod in particular was making a point of causing great destruction (or caring very little about it).
Thor vs Loki in Avengers meanwhile was 2 brothers fighting each other in a glorified squabble. Neither wanted to kill the other and not only was Thor weakened in Avengers anyway, he was holding back immensely.
This very video showed the source so I won't quote or cite it again here but in Thor 1, Thor strikes the ground in Jotunheim so hard that it destroys and utterly collapses an area that is 100 times the size of the Grand Caynon. With 1 single blow. The ENTIRE CITY Zod and Clark were fighting in would fit in an equivalent area many, many, many times over. Moreover, Jotunheim is massively larger than Earth and the area destroyed by Thor was referred to as a continental shelf.
Thor also broke the Rainbow Bridge in Thor 1 with 10 swings from Mjolnir during his fight with Loki. The Bifrost is capable of containing and channelling energy that can destroy a planet as that is precisely what Loki was gonna use it for. Jotunheim no less which is (again) multiple times the size of Earth. Yet Thor shattered the Bifrost in 10 blows. 1 blow in Ragnarok.
This is the same Thor who's fight with Loki was "contained to the top of 1 building". As I said, Thor was much weaker in Avengers but he also made a point of explaining to the Avengers and Coulson that he was ashamed that his previous appearance on Earth caused much destruction so it's clear he is holding back while there as well. Since (again) we KNOW he is capable of MUCH more. Iron Man was also getting stomped and even against a weakened Thor, the only thing he did was ruffle Thor's hair a little - even after a massive power boost that Thor himself gave Tony by accident. Thor was so never trying to fight Hulk properly either. Instead trying to talk and reason with him the whole time.
The point here is that the context of the fights are massively different. You're argument is based off of them being comparable when that's just not the case. Much of that context can be summed up by (as much as rhis phrase gets erroneously thrown around these days) Thor was holding back massively most of the time.
It's also completely unarguably that Steppenwolf could beat Thor. How on Earth did you come to that conclusion?
@@justinanderson2460 well the thing is, what we see and what is presented is what we have to go off of feats wise. If you saw no other feats of 2 men and one destroyed a wall with a punch but the other didn’t, the one who destroyed the wall would look stronger. MCU has more ridiculous anti feats such as Thor needing 2 hits to defeat an Ultron bot, or Thor and Gorr fighting against a car and not breaking it. I can’t recall such low showings for DCEU Superman
As for the Clark/Zod fight, Zod wasn’t holding back but Clark was. He didn’t want to kill Zod.
The problem with considering Thor weakened in Avengers, is that he got the jump on Iron Man and Hulk. So, pretty much evens out tbh. I don’t remember feats of TDW or AOU to put Thor above his Avengers 1 feats.
The Jotunheim strike seems outlierish. Thor literally could have one shot Sokovia, Thanos army, etc if the feat was consistent. Maybe Jotunheim is physically weaker than Earth.
Aquaman, Cyborg, Wonder Woman 3v1 couldn’t beat Steppenwolf. Cyborg’s blasts can casually cut down several buildings. Damage output similar to Thor’s lightning. Aquaman and Wonder Woman have similar striking strength as Thor when it comes to how far they can launch someone. Steppenwolf stayed conscious after Superman punches but Thor got KOd by some Hulk/Thanos punches. Steppenwolf armor couldn’t be pierced by WW or Aquaman weapons but Thor and his armor get pierced by seemingly every sharp weapon used to attack him.
Thors feats blow superman out of the water. Thors literally stronger, more durable had more power and attack potential. Not even close
9:40 I love how I've heard about her doing that in the movie, but this is my first time actually seeing that clip. On a video that isn't about her movie.
please make a vs battle including Mash from Mashle
Superman clear win this fight
Agreed
Thor is stronger and more durable but superman is just too quick for him
@@ashtonpeppard3663Thor is not stronger and more durable 😂 seriously?
It’ll always be superman at mid diff
If Thor brings magic into it’s a wrap
Would love to see a thanos vs darksied video specifically mcu vs snyder version
Ngl I knew the outcome when I clicked because superman is hella fast and would blitz thor
He wouldn’t tho
Yeah he would
@@thomasbullinsnope he can't
I think it could be even, with Thor having more experience and Superman can always be amped by the Sun.
Now end of Love and Thunder Thor could have a chance, but had we seen Cavil Superman face off against Black Adam then maybe the edge could have gone to him. However, we might never see that.
Great video as always Chuck
Thanks for watching!
Black Adam is Weak bro in the movie
@@PYRATE31 definitely not, though they did downplay DR. Fate
What a nothing statement. Almost as bad as "I think they would just be friends"
@@johndiddilyjoe6258 What a bad counter argument that you have nothing to add to the discussion.
What a nothing response
Should be comparing a verse with comparable lore to the Mcu like the Superman and Lois verse.
Tyler H’s superman Vs Mcu Thor would be a killer video.
Either way good breakdown G.
Thanks for watching!
Tyler superman wins. That guy is on another level than mos superman
@@Zaacdrums Definitely agree.
one who got bruises after ultron threw a Concrete Slab at him vs The guy who is immune to every kind of damage u throw at him except for kryptonite, The winner is pretty easy to determine also Superman Survived a 100 million degrees 475 kiloton nuke's Explosion's core temp while being weakened af vs Thor who was burnt to a crisp after taking only 50000 kelvin of heat which was 855 gigatons of force per sec [Source-key issues], Large island level max
Thor wins as expected
Did u watch the video😂
I dont think we watched the same video bro
@user-ro3ju8ds9i Chuck literally stated thor wins more times than not. Are you an idiot?
Nah superman negs
I feel you overhyped dceu superman, don't see how he's multi planetary or planetary at all and he didn't have any light speed feats, his best speed feats are reacting to base flash speed who definitely isn't LS
bro... he escaped the singularity of a blackhole that targets Kryptonians specifically.
He was lightspeed in the first movie when he was several times weaker.
Luthor's Doomsday also fires heat vision attacks that Wonder Woman and a nerfed Superman easily react to after it has been fired.
Definitely FTL, what DCEU did you watch?
@@revenantronin8377that was not a black hole, it's proven in the movie
"It's like a black hole but not actually one"
Superman managed to escape because of it collapsing.
And Superman kept up with a flash not going at full speed, Superman Is 75% sol which Is relativistic and he's travel/reaction speed should scale to His combat speed.
thor at a regular basis can react to His hammer that went from the ground to the sun In seconds In His second movie which Is massively faster than light, he Also reacted to the destroyer's Odin force beams which are confirmed to be beams of light, Thor Also escaped a blackhole confirmed by the VFX team In Thor 2.
Thor Also reacted to Quicksilver and was the only one moving In His pov, to later chuck Mjolnir at him.
Thor's at least 15% sol and has faster than light In travel/reaction speed.
This Is enough for him to keep up with the Man of steel despait being slightly slower.
Also Doomsday's beam reaction Time by WW was mostly aim dodgin, Superman only reacted to it once, but the HV it self isn't the fastest.
he overhyped both. Many of the reaction feats are just characters seeing an attack and dodging/blocking before it starts.
@@davidemanuelarroyoportacio9499 Mjolnir's speed fluctuates. It's not constant. Him dodging destroyers beams can also be explained by aim dodging, the destroyer isn't exactly subtle in charging it's beams. If thor was moving at all in quicksilvers pov, it was very very little, quicksilver went out of super speed for a second and thats when thor threw mjolnir.
@davidemanuelarroyoportacio9it was 499
They nerfed Superman the same way they did the Hulk in these films.
Also Mjolnir accelerates the longer it travels in a straight line. In the scene where Quicksilver grabs it, it’s not going very fast.
The real question is which one pulled the best woman dceu lois lane or mcu jane foster
Natalie Portman a baddie
@@Chuck true she got anakin skywalker and thor odinson
@@dionysisnance4204She is the greatest woman across fiction
@@mandalorianhunter1don’t forget spider man and mysterio too 😂
I think thor wins medium difficulty.
DCEU is planetary-multi planet at best.
While thor is star-solar system level.
Can you do a Omni-man vs MCU Thor
Ppl forget this Superman got cooked by Batman using the green gass/ kryptonite. He couldn’t even fight back, so Thor can travel anywhere with storm breaker to get kryptonite and sliced his head off like Thanos
What makes you think he’d need the kryptonite? Plus, even if he knew, which he wouldn’t unless you’re giving him prep time, that would be out of character for him to do.
I think scaling Thor and other MCU guys to be FTL in combat is really problematic when quicksilver is shown clearly on screen to be orders of magnitude faster while being like hypersonic (if we are very generous) in combat.
Even Captain America scales to Thor and Thanos combat speed and he can’t outrun a fast car.
I think Cap. Marvel / the Destroyer’s lasers both act more like plasma blasts with mass anyways, and should be thought of as such.
Even if we treat them like light, these characters are not consistently this fast, it’s an outlier.
Yes. Superman would decimate MCU Thor. But Stormbreaker could definitely kill Superman. Thor has a knack for losing to guys on his strength level or above (Hulk,Kurse,Hela,Thanos). Meanwhile Superman was shown to be superior to everyone most of the time
Where is the decimating from 🤐🤐
Kurse at that time was way stronger n durable than Sup bro it's not even close ... Hela, Thanos outscales bro . Maybe Hulk will be ok
@@PYRATE31superman possess invulnerablity means almost no weapon can penetrate his skin, and no one is more powerful than Superman on earth under yellow sun, just watch MOS so much destruction and Superman doesn’t have a scratch on his suit, also Superman punches generate shockwave, even a single punch was able to destroy krypton ship
@@Superboyprime0 what U smoking bruh 😂😂😂 Stormbreaker can cut clean no dif
@@Superboyprime0 it's a king's weapon dude that's all it needs to be
@@PYRATE31 you should know more about Superman then, even if it can cut it, Superman just takes Stromebreaker from Thor and cut his head before he even realise, now go cry
Speed in combat: Massively faster than light + (mftl +)
Wouldn’t the Russo’s saying fat Thor is stronger than Thor from the end of infinity war just be wrong? Especially since we saw a Thor overpower a Thanos with a complete gauntlet with no issue. Then a fat Thor can’t even give a infinity stone-less Thanos a good fight ON HIS OWN. This is also with the help of Tony and Steve with Steve getting the hammer later and the rest of the heroes and he still couldn’t do squat.
I mean, IW Thor isn’t stronger than IG Thanos, he just overpowered his beam. He doesn’t scale to the snap or anything. But yeah, the Russos statement is wrong.
@@kanyerahming Overpowering an infinity gauntlet beam that has the power stone included in said beam(that overpowered Captain Marvel who is as strong or stronger than Thanos in EG) being overpowered by Thor spells to us that he is stronger than both Thanos’. Nothing is well explained or provided to tell us or show us that a raw Thanos is stronger than a Thanos with a complete gauntlet.
@@logankimp5563 ??? When did I say base thanos is stronger than IG thanos
And no, it doesn’t, bc the IGs full power is in the snap, not the beam. The beam didn’t burn the gauntlet, the universal-wide snap did, clearly showing a power output difference.
Thor one shots dceu superman not even a contest. Thor is cleary stronger, more durable, has more attack power, better travel speed . I mean his strength alone blows plastic man out of the water. He can quite literal one shot sup. Faora koed superman while she got koed by a basic missle... i mean its insane i thought this was settled already thor claps horrifically. Remember thor tanked power stone and reality stone at full power one when he was not Awakened and after. Neutron star as well.
Nope DCEU Supes solos MCU Thor.
@@DahGabriel-gk2cr nope
@@DahGabriel-gk2cr nope. Thor is stronger he lifted moon size rings as shown in infinity war, the vfx also stated they are indeed moon size. And they have been calculated to be larger than anything soup man can do. Zach synder already stated he can't even lift a continent 🤣. So he's stronger, attack power In thor 1 he shook a planet in jotenhium as stated by the movie directors. And he performed the same feats in age of ultron, and durability wise he tanked Power stone. And reality stone at full power which as gonna casually destroy the universe💀 also mjolnir is faster than superman in travel speed, and he can react ag light speed when he fought destroyer he easily reacted to his beams were confirmed light speed so rip. Thor out classes plastic man with feats over and over again cry harder.
@@mythicaltyrant7476 When did Zach ever confirm that Superman can't lift a continent when it is literally stated in his movie that Superman is stronger than a planet, do you realize how dumb you sound. Supes solos that god of jokes.
@@mythicaltyrant7476 and no Thor fangay mjonir is not faster Superman 🥴.
Dude resisted the pull of a black hole to the phantom zone which is beyond space and time.
Thor is my favorite Avenger, and I have loved the MCU for the most part of my life. But I'm sorry, DCEU Superman takes this.
Of course power levels are inconsistent between movies (and I'm tempted to say Thor 4 isn't canon, it's just silly for the sake of being silly). But there is nothing indicating Thor can move at super speeds, other than when flying. I have seen the same movies you have, and I don't buy him reacting at the speed of light. The MCU clearly showed Quicksilver move at super speed, but no other character. Other than possibly Spider-Man's reaction time (when his spider sense works).
Thanos fights Iron Man and Cap, whose speeds are absolutely human (especially the former), and uses the exact same speed when fighting Thor. Thor is never seem to dodge or blitz, in a manner Cap or Iron-Man can't. Superman would fly (or walk) circles around Thanos in that fight.
Thor is very strong, but none of his raw strength feats seems to match a Kryptonian. Tanking "the full force of a star" is by far his most impressive one (although it almost killed him), and that makes me believe he wouldn't be too hurt by Superman's heat vision. Unless Superman kept it up for long.
Thor exploding the city in Sokovia was by igniting the vibranium.
IMO DCEU Superman mid diffs MCU Thor, with an added "I'm not impressed" after being hit by Stormbreaker/Mjölnir.
Thor destroying part of Jotunheim is better than all of Clark’s feats
Thor would win because of a combination of having magic (which is one of the things Superman is weak to), far more experience fighting and having combat training.
Так же тор по силе и прочности гораздо выше супермена DCEU.
Great video! To explain Hela throwing the daggers faster than the bifrost though it's kind of like this, she's already going that fast, so it's easy for her to throw faster than that. Think of throwing a baseball inside a moving car that's going 60 mph, you barely have to throw it to get it moving at 65 mph. I think that I have a grasp on this but if I'm wrong anyone can feel free to explain it to me.
Comics Superman wins with High Difficulty against Comics Thor and Live-Action Thor wins with Mid-High Difficulty against Live-Action Superman.