Thanks so much for watching! Please support the video as I'd like to make more MCU content for you fellas! Also, HUGE thanks to YFV for helping out with this video!! Here's proof Asgard is harder to destroy than Earth (we know MCU is an universe in Marvel Comics btw) web.archive.org/web/20170319150147/marvel.com/universe/Asgard Also, regarding the Bifrost speed feat. I said Hela caught up to it.
Thor is weaker than Blue Marvel and Icon... Blue Marvel knocked out King Hyperion with 1 punch and King Hyperion killed all the celestials, eternals, galacticus and all of the Earth heroes
I see Thor as a character with tons of raw power and potential, but he’s such an emotional character that he doesn’t always channel that raw power. He lived with the same friends and families for centuries. His loved ones dying was something he didn’t have to worry about for centuries, and then almost everyone he loves dies in the span of a few years. That’s the equivalent to a normal human losing everyone in a matter of weeks. That trauma sometimes hinders him from fighting to his full potential, and that’s why his feats seem inconsistent sometimes. That’s my head canon reason for why the writers make him job out for the sake of the plot lol.
Also think back to one of his dream sequences in Age of Ultron, Thor may be holding back his immense power due to his fear of killing everyone with it on accident.
Thank you his feats are super inconsistent but nobody really addresses this it's part of the reason i don't see him standing next to Superman but since you've explained why. i kinda feel for the big guy now I'll show more support
It doesn't make any sense at all though. In the first Thor film Odin enchanted/ensorcelled Mjolnir to essentially channel "the power of Thor" for whoever is worthy enough to wield it. This did not happen with Stormbreaker, it was made solely for Thor's use and he lacks the skillset to make Stormbreaker do otherwise as Odin might have. Ergo in Cap's hands it is just a hammer/axe made of a mystical metal, and nothing else.
Finally someone who understands how power scaling works exactly. Just because a character hasn’t blown a planet doesn’t mean they can’t a lot of people downplay naruto too because he hasn’t blown up a planet. However we might see some planet busting in MCU since we already have a galaxy in MCU through What if so that’s good.
That’s because Naruto himself isn’t planetary. Sure, when all of his chakra got yoinked, it nearly blew up a moon, but you’re ignoring the fact that it took _all of his chakra to do that._ Plus if you use all of your chakra, you end up kicking the bucket, like Might Guy did, right up until Naruto brought him back to life with plot convenience powers. Thor on the other hand has been shown to be a pretty casual planet buster though, maybe not the MCU version, which has been stated to just be a weaker version of the Earth-616 Thor, who can probably bust a planet if he decides to completely cut loose without any regard to anyone, but he’s not at the level where his clashing with an equal foe will destroy the entire solar system he’s in just as a byproduct of him trading blows. Edited for pedantic people.
@@lordvader3697 Alright, while MCU Thor might be a planet buster, he’s nowhere near the same level as E-616 Thor, who would probably put MCU Gorr in the grave with one very messy hit to his skull using Mjölnir. MCU Thor is strong, don’t get me wrong, but E-616 Thor is just fucking cracked. Edited for pedantic people.
Thor is honestly op character. In the comics, the mofo is broken as hell. Awesome video by the way man. You already did Hulk video right? I ask because the Hulk in the comics is confirmed to have a teaspoon of power from One Above All.
Hello Chuck, you left out that in Sokivia with the help of Ironman, Thor overhelmed a skyscaper size vibranium engine to the point that its exploded. If we takes the vibranum is properties and how it can absorb energy, this is a very great feat.
Thank you CHUCK like god Thor completely surpassed Hela in Infinity Wat idk why ppl still believed that she was stronger I’ve been saying it for 3 yrs now
There are some problems here 1.Thanos just used an energy blast to stop stormbreaker while the stormbreaker is ironically a massively energy absorbant weapon, it is likely that the space stone could have stopped stormbreaker and the reality stone could’ve changed it into bubbles. 2. Thanos is still a mortal and was never able to use the gauntlet at full power due to that much gamma harming him, while Infinity Ultron being a robot was able to take the energy at full compacity
Nowhere is it said that Stormbreaker i an energy absorbent weapon. It was even confirmed that Mjolnir can't perform the feat because it is not as *powerful* as Stormbreaker
2:08 Another thing to mention is that the BiFrost moved multiple stars which is easily Star level. And the 9 realms and planets in the MCU scale above planets irl. The Grandmaster’s planet no sold having multiple wormholes on its surface, including one containing a Magnetar. 9 realms are stated to be multi dimensional. 9 realms can tank the BiFrost hitting it, and the BiFrost is mftl +. 3:03 exactly good job. 3:39 you should also mention how, Mjolir no sold a super nova. And Hela destroyed that same Mjolir, Hela was on Asgard for days and it’s stated by Odin that her power grows limitlessly. Thor when after awakening his power knocked out that same Hela in one shot and she was out for multiple minutes. And now with Stormbreaker Thor is even more powerful. 4:00 also Tesseract didn’t break when the space stone outputted energy to fix the Rainbow bridge which could contain the energy of the Bifrost which is planet-Star. Yet it still didn’t survive Thanos crushing it. 6:18 it was actually stated to be a Magnetar in an official guidebook. 6:52 Drax was going to get one shotted by Iron Man. Same Drax that tanked a ship that did more damage to the hadron enforcer then Ronan. Thor >>>>>> Iron Man. 7:26 exactly. 10:12 also Iron Man without the suit reacted to his repulsers which are stated to be beams of light. 11:10 another thing to mention is he is being hit with these shards which are moving at mftl + speeds. This feat is calculated at Large Star to solar. 11:27 this is also consistent with Thor reacting to a beam of light from the IG, which is calculated at mftl +.
@@user-re3nr9fd6f so Thor and thanos are near the solar system levels of power? Also is he massively hyper sonic or mftl? I’m really confused these scalings are all over the place
@@moonknight4053 solar system I doubt. That would be a stretch. Multi planetary is a possibility tho. Since the bifrost was stated to destroy planets in Thor 1
Gorr will be crazy strong. there have been multiple statements saying that he is the strongest enemy thor has faced, which means he's above maleketh, hela and thanos.
@Proxima hell yeah he’s above hella and Thor got way stronger with storm breaker lmao he almost killed thanos with the infinity gauntlet n base thanos is already above hella also he has yet to become old king Thor the older they get the stronger n yet he still needed 2 other thors to defeat gor not even kill him it’s crazy how strong he is
RE. Thor's speed. He, on several occassions, has run down Silver Surfer while the Surfer is cruising at >1000 Light Years /second, and was 10,000x FTL), while carrying the weight of a large asteroid. So while Thor isn't in the very top tier of the fastest speedsters, he's not slow by any stretch, and probably in the top 10.
Amazing I was hoping for a MCU scale video for a long time. Heroes some suggestions dor the future: Infinity Gauntlet Thanos Scarlet Wich (after wandavision) Captain Marvel Infinity gauntlet ultron Doctor Strange Amazing video really hoping to see more MCU vids!
I feel like people really under sell MCU Quicksilver because I believe he was fast enough to react to the bullets but not fast or maybe just not skilled enough to save Hawkeye and the kid without hurting because it looks as if he pushed them rather than grab them which would make sense on why he was in cover as well, I think if he only had to worry about himself he could have easily avoid getting shot, especially because they were already in motion about to kill Hawkeye and the kid.
so true i just hate how people wank scarlet witch just because shes so op in comics and seems more op in her own show but Dr strange is just so broken hes legit like scarlet witch on steroids and actually knows how to use his powers. Then the fact if he fought with thor he wouldnt just win he could fuck with him mentally (bringing his mother, home land death, picking the place to fight, using his teleportation to teleport his hammer uses clones so its harder to hit him etc hes just so damn overpowered and underrated imo)
True.he will stomp mcu thor,byt in comics its a different story ,rune king thor is outerversal(omniversal)and is able to take on entities such as the ones who sit above the sahdows(possible beyonders)and he destroyed thetree of life yggdrassil,which was insane,im not saying strabge is weak,no way is he,black pruest strange is extremely close to yhe power of rtk ,but im just saying ,rtk is one of the most powerful comic characters,and mcu thor is a far cry ,sadly same story with strange,thankfullystrange supreme changed that
Thanos is just absolutely nightmarish in the MCU then. Everytime I watch Endgame it's wild to see the work he puts in on Ironman, Cap and Thor. Without plot armor he'd just absolutely slaughter those three. It's not even funny or okay.
@@Chuck, thanks for responding. Hope to see your powerscale on Thanos or even Scarlett Witch who decided undressing Thanos was a great way to avenge Vision. Lol
Well I wouldn't say plot armour Sometimes it's just tactics and different strategies that help one side win over the other And also , thor was depressed and out of shape. While iron man retired But thanos is still freaking insane , even without the infinity stones , I'd say the only people who would beat him would be Thor ( infinity war ) , Captain Marvel , Wanda , and Strange Maybe Cap and Iron man too I'm not sure
Chuck is the only person I’ve ever heard to mention the thousands of years hulk spent on Sakaar. I barely noticed that line exchange during the film but didn’t pay attention lol.
I almost completely agree with this except for the fact that Thor as of Ragnarok or even Infinity War has surpassed Odin. By scaling, Odin is still much beyond Thor as he was able to overpower and contain Hela and defeated Eternal Flame Surtur- both of whom are much above Thor as of right now. Via statements, Odin is several tiers above everyone in the MCU except the Celestials, Ego, and IG Thanos. He is stated to be capable of destroying entire armies with a thought, stripped Thor of all his powers with ease, was stated to be capable of killing Malekith and Kurse all at once, formed stars out of Frigga's corpse, and commands the Odinforce which is the power source of all of Asgard including the Bifrost which is capable of planet-busting. While Odin did state that Thor is stronger than him, that statement could very well mean the fact that Thor is potentially more powerful than Odin (which is not surprising at all) but he still has a long way to go.
Exactly, the older the Asgardian are the more powerful they are. Both Odin and Hela had more control over mjolnir when they faced, same would happen with stormbreaker. For me it sounded more like an motivational speech than potential etc, like Thor didn't do the same mistakes as Odin did and so on.
I think Odin IS THE most powerful character in the MCU. Dude literally treats death like a joke. I mean he is dead but still talks to Thor, can summon the bifrost to send Hulk to Earth at Heimdall's request. He also made literally EVERY ASGARDIAN TO FORGET HELA. Hela isn't even that old by Asgardian standards either. She is probably meant to o be the equivalent of a person in their 40s. Pretty sure there is Asgardians older than that.
"holding the BYFROST open could destroy joutenheim with you upon him." - heimdall, 2011 "in theory, it could even summon the BYFROST." - king eitri, 2018 thor is planetary, at minimum, small planetoid buster. one of his lightning strikes in ragnarok also broke the rainbow bridge in a single blow, unlike mjolnir which took many smashes. one lightning blast from mjolnir changed the landscape of joutenheim and killed the frost giant's monster with one hit. he destroyed the destroyer, and turned scovia into ashes with one blow. thor trolled malekith while using the red infinity stone, the reality aether: *"with all that power, i thought you'd hit harder."* - dark world, 2013
@@user-re3nr9fd6f and the byforst can cut/slice through anything, but when Hela neck-chocked thor against the byfrost, it did nothing. he also destroyed scovia with one smash, while iron man contained the shock of the vibranium.
Hey man, awesome video as ever, but I did want to ask about the bi-frost feat. I saw someone on Instagram make the argument that moving within the bi-frost would not equate to moving outside of the bi-frost. Like moving on top of a train not equaling fighting and moving along side the train. What are your thoughts on this?
Nice video. I'd love to see a MCU Hulk if possible, would you say it's fair to scale it him to Thor or more correctly around Thor's level because even though Hulk is downright weaker to Thor, It think that he would still be able to contend somewhat to a serious Thor given that he can damage Surtr but I could just be wanking there. Also would a MCU Hulk vs Battle Beast fight be an interesting matchup or would it be a stomp?
The Bifrost is an einstein-rosen bridge according to thor 1, ie, a wormhole that works by reducing the space between the starting point and the destination using massive amounts of energy. In other words, you do not need to be faster than light at all to be able to fight inside the bifrost, since you are not locally moving at those speeds. In Dark World, even Jane Foster was able to look around and see what was going on during her ride to Asgard on the Bifrost. obviously he has other feats which seem to be FTL such as reacting to light beams and snatching loki out of a black hole, as you mentioned, i just think the bifrost speed feat is a little flimsy. Hela did catch up to thor in the bifrost but again that doesn't really mean anything since she was, you know, also riding the bifrost. also if thor were faster than the bifrost he wouldn't need it to travel around to begin with lol.
There’s no proof it works like an Einstein Rosen bridge at all, so even if Thor said that( which he didn’t you totally misinterpreted what he said Jane said that and Thor corrected her with “Rainbow bridge) it’s contradicted. It works like a tractor beam which has a pull.
I really wanna see him show what he’s really got in live action like he did in what if where while literally just playing around sent Captain Marvel to another continent!
One of the things I like most about power scaling is you can't always tell where their limits are without looking into greater detail. And then sometimes you find things that the creators might not have taken into account.
the best channel for powers scaling and proving my friends wrong lol also can you do a vid on scaling the godzilla games because i know in ps4 godzilla that space godzilla should be multi star level from his guide and i thought all the kaijus would be as well sense you can defeat him but i wanted to know if you think thats the case as well
Thor: I Am Thor and I will destroy your planet if you keep downplaying me, Also please fix The DAMN Door!! I forgot who said that but they told me to say that. Great video Chuck can't wait to see more scale's for Thor.
I believe in the lore it’s actually said that the norse gods aren’t the true gods since Egyptian gods exist too so they’re like second lvl gods but the celestials are actual gods so theyre just op aliens and there is the one above all and just read the name like that mans is probably just the writers inserting themselves in the story
He broke Ragnarok on a multiversal scale, not to mention "Those who sit in shadow" or something, are proven to be like celestial beings. So RKT is EASILY multiversal
@@The_Mad_Titan_007 way to much in my opinion. Mcu is still at universal in power level unless you count ultron with the gauntlet. And even then that’s still multi universal
Cant forget pre vs post-ragnarok. Pre ragnarok was a bit stronger than Iron man with Mark VII armor who took blows from mjolnir. Much love man and keep covering fun topics like this
i guess i underestimated mcu thor. i always thought he was multicontinental to planetary but i guess he's a lot stronger. still nothing compared to comic thor who is galaxy level and in newer comics scales to universal and multiversal characters so that's a given. plus everyone knows the comic versions are always stronger.
Like There's no way they would've brought in the comics version of all the characters It's just the fact But I guess The MCU is slowly progressing to that point
I wonder how stronger he will be in Love and Thunder If I remember correctly, since Taika wants to honor Gor, so he'll fight the strongest Thor Also, kinda saddened how Hulk was left behind in the MCU :(
To back up what you said about him being planet level or planet+ I left a comment explaining why the snap (combined power of the stones) erased a planets worth of matter entirely, and him being able to over power that same combined power supports him being planet+ rather than strictly planet level. (The comment was a correction of a prior statement I had made, and on another video)
I still don't think we've seen a fraction of what Thor is capable of. He has to hold back to not destroy more than what's necessary. Look how he destroyed that part of Sakovia. Effortlessly. Why turn the Earth to dust when you need to destroy a single robot lol.
Hey Chuck bro! An interesting fight would be MCU Thanos vs Aizen from Bleach. Just do two sections like one fight without the Infinity Stones and Hogyouku and the other is all out. The fight makes sense and to know if the Hogyouku would be useful when you use the Infinity Stones.
Physically he's strongest avenger, stronger than capt marvel imo. She did hold of thanos , but Thanos was heavily nerfed in endgame. Also his feats are much better, unless writers want her to beat his ass
And here I was thinking mcu Thor was country level. Also, I did the math and found out that Thor is 24 in God years. Seems legit Edit: I wouldn’t say Thor has MFTL reaction speed because he was able to fight in the Bifrost. That’s kind of like saying humans have supersonic reaction speed because they can fight in fighter jets. Reaction speed isn’t based on how fast the object you can catch is, it’s about how much time you need to catch that object. Think about it this way: If a professional baseball player pitched a ball at 40 m/s 4 meters away, you would have 1\10th of a second to react so it would likely hit you in the face. If that baseball player was 40 meters away and pitched at the exact same speed, then you would have a full second to react and catch it (hopefully). While the Bifrost can travel galaxies in moments, Asgard is likely VERY far away from earth. Meaning the idea of the trip taking seconds or even minutes is probable. So the feat could show superhuman reaction speed at it’s highest or the battle could be understood by a normal human at lowest.
You actually UNDERRATED him. Is he the strongest and most powerful Avenger? YES. No if, ands, or buts about it. Even the Scarlet Witch wasn’t able to take him down with her vast magics and she’s the ONLY threat to him on the Avengers. Hulk is not as strong as Thor. Ragnarok even proved that for MCU Thor as well.
Idea for Video Hulk Vs SCP-096 similarities They both have rage states well Hulk is the rage state they both are immortal and have regeneration also great vid
Frame of reference is important. The Bifrost has a travel speed, not unlike riding a train or a plane. The Bifrost makes travel across realms possible. Catching up to someone while also inside of the Bifrost is like running up to someone on a plane who is also on that same plane. This doesn't make me the speed of a commercial jet if I do that, nor does this make anyone within the Bifrost as fast as the Bifrost (or they wouldn't need it for travel).
@@Chuck They have plenty of speed feats to choose from, the Bifrost just isn't one of them. Also, the train scene from Captain Marvel isn't one, either. Seriously, once in the Bifrost, that provides its own reference frame, kind of like each of us isn't planetary travel speeds, yet we are on the planet which moves at around 67,000 mph and the fastest human on Earth can only travel around 24 mph. This doesn't mean that the human is actually going 67,024 mph; It means that the human is within a reference frame (on the planet) going 24 mph, and it doesn't mean that human is planetary speeds, either.
@@drunknpoet No the Bifrost scaling is still valid, it's just that people scale it incorrectly. The Bifrost is stated to work like a tractor beam on the official marvel website, meaning it pulls things towards it, at MFTL+ speeds in this case. Loki was able to throw his knife towards Hela, who was behind him, giving him MFTL+ combat speed since in order for the knife to travel behind him it would've needed to move fast enought to resist the pull of the bifrost. Hela was able to react to the knife throw giving her MFTL+ reaction speed, and Thor is comparable to Hela and Loki, giving Thor MFTL+ reaction and combat speed.
@@justinsarfo829 That isn't how Inertial Frames of Reference work, at all. That is the same as saying that if you are in a biplane, and you throw a knife, that said knife was thrown by your power alone. It was not. You borrow the speed of your inertial reference frame, because of conservation of momentum. This is just physics inertia 101. Loki throws at the speed while standing still that he does while existing within the bifrost, the bifrost adds its momentum. Another example would be someone standing still on an escalator, and some other person running up the escalator. That doesn't make that second person's top speed any faster, it makes them move faster relative to the people who aren't running on an escalator. The person on the escalator is going backwards compared to the person who is riding in that biplane (from the first example), because of inertial reference frames. The same holds true here.
@@justinsarfo829 That being said, I appreciate the engagement you made here. Thank you for the civil tone and demeanor. I hope that I was able to get my point across in a similarly tasteful and respectful manner, as you and @Chuck both did.
Key issues has admitted that he is biased towards dc. He purposefully lowballs marvel and then highball characters who haven't done anything yet like Darkseid to planetary plus
@@doomthagoon8512 oh darkseid is planetary. But he did downplay the hell out of Thor and thanos though. Wouldn’t be shocked if he made ultron from what if planetary only
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Here's proof Asgard is harder to destroy than Earth (we know MCU is an universe in Marvel Comics btw) web.archive.org/web/20170319150147/marvel.com/universe/Asgard
Also, regarding the Bifrost speed feat. I said Hela caught up to it.
Eballz
You should do Blue Marvel (marvel) and Icon (DC) next
Just in time for procrastinating on schoolwork 😈
Thor is strong boi
Thor is weaker than Blue Marvel and Icon... Blue Marvel knocked out King Hyperion with 1 punch and King Hyperion killed all the celestials, eternals, galacticus and all of the Earth heroes
I see Thor as a character with tons of raw power and potential, but he’s such an emotional character that he doesn’t always channel that raw power. He lived with the same friends and families for centuries. His loved ones dying was something he didn’t have to worry about for centuries, and then almost everyone he loves dies in the span of a few years. That’s the equivalent to a normal human losing everyone in a matter of weeks. That trauma sometimes hinders him from fighting to his full potential, and that’s why his feats seem inconsistent sometimes. That’s my head canon reason for why the writers make him job out for the sake of the plot lol.
That's a very good interpretation!
Also think back to one of his dream sequences in Age of Ultron, Thor may be holding back his immense power due to his fear of killing everyone with it on accident.
Or plot lol if thor one shotted everyone there would be no movies
Everyone has to be nerfed to make it nerve-wracking
Thank you his feats are super inconsistent but nobody really addresses this it's part of the reason i don't see him standing next to Superman but since you've explained why. i kinda feel for the big guy now I'll show more support
"no no give me that you have the little one" that line makes me chuckle everytime
Lot of great moments in that movie :)
It doesn't make any sense at all though.
In the first Thor film Odin enchanted/ensorcelled Mjolnir to essentially channel "the power of Thor" for whoever is worthy enough to wield it.
This did not happen with Stormbreaker, it was made solely for Thor's use and he lacks the skillset to make Stormbreaker do otherwise as Odin might have.
Ergo in Cap's hands it is just a hammer/axe made of a mystical metal, and nothing else.
@@mnomadvfx yeah the Creators acknowledged that but for the hype of the scene they chose to ignore it
and yet he longed for Mjolnir all the Time in Love of Thunder....he also gave Breaker to hope. 😢
Him arriving in Wakanda was so badass
Definitely a pimp scene!
@@Chuck it's a overrated Sean
@@Chuck You working on the Cosmic King Thor video? Keep at it!
@@Chuck If you need additional info you can always ask Seth. He scaled Thor pretty well in Thor vs Kratos video
Sheesh its been over a year since Chuck talked about anything Marvel related so I hope he makes more
Sorry for not giving Marvel enough love recently
@@Chuckdoes this mean that Thor from the moves is stronger then superman in the newest films yes or no and loving the content my guy 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
@@Chuck You good fam, maybe do a Maestro Hulk vid in the future...
@@Chuck talk about how Cosmic Spider-Man solos dbs😪😪
@@Paddycent he’s got better feats for strength and durability
However he kinda gets negged from Superman’s speed
And apparently Thor is going be at his strongest in Love and Thunder with Zeus, Hercules and Gorr all confirmed to be in it.
That's dope!
Hopefully he gets the odin force
They better do Gorr fucking justice
When did Hercules get confirmed?
@@nxzavian Somehow, that doesn’t surprise me.
Finally someone who understands how power scaling works exactly. Just because a character hasn’t blown a planet doesn’t mean they can’t a lot of people downplay naruto too because he hasn’t blown up a planet. However we might see some planet busting in MCU since we already have a galaxy in MCU through What if so that’s good.
Hes Not planetary
Gorr did in the trailer
That’s because Naruto himself isn’t planetary. Sure, when all of his chakra got yoinked, it nearly blew up a moon, but you’re ignoring the fact that it took _all of his chakra to do that._ Plus if you use all of your chakra, you end up kicking the bucket, like Might Guy did, right up until Naruto brought him back to life with plot convenience powers. Thor on the other hand has been shown to be a pretty casual planet buster though, maybe not the MCU version, which has been stated to just be a weaker version of the Earth-616 Thor, who can probably bust a planet if he decides to completely cut loose without any regard to anyone, but he’s not at the level where his clashing with an equal foe will destroy the entire solar system he’s in just as a byproduct of him trading blows.
Edited for pedantic people.
@@decimation9780 MCU thor most def can
@@lordvader3697 Alright, while MCU Thor might be a planet buster, he’s nowhere near the same level as E-616 Thor, who would probably put MCU Gorr in the grave with one very messy hit to his skull using Mjölnir. MCU Thor is strong, don’t get me wrong, but E-616 Thor is just fucking cracked.
Edited for pedantic people.
Thor is honestly op character. In the comics, the mofo is broken as hell. Awesome video by the way man. You already did Hulk video right? I ask because the Hulk in the comics is confirmed to have a teaspoon of power from One Above All.
I have not done a Hulk video in years lol
@@Chuck have you thought about doing a re-release with a green filter?
Hulk and Thor job hardcore
@@weskintime4177 that's putting it lightly.
I thought was the one below all but I might be wrong
Didnt realize how much I missed Marvel content. Just another banger, Chuck, keep it up!
Thanks very much for supporting the channel!
Wow I never thought about how much time hulk spent on sakaar…amazing content as always
Huge thanks!
Hello Chuck, you left out that in Sokivia with the help of Ironman, Thor overhelmed a skyscaper size vibranium engine to the point that its exploded. If we takes the vibranum is properties and how it can absorb energy, this is a very great feat.
Thank you CHUCK like god Thor completely surpassed Hela in Infinity Wat idk why ppl still believed that she was stronger I’ve been saying it for 3 yrs now
On Asgard she has the potential to be stronger. But she is not stronger
Everyone I met always said she had the potential to be more powerful than Thor.
LETS GOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
The work put in behind this video was so fun!
Thanks very much for helping out bro!
@@Chuck helped me just as much as you
Im doing either Malekith or the stones next
There are some problems here
1.Thanos just used an energy blast to stop stormbreaker while the stormbreaker is ironically a massively energy absorbant weapon, it is likely that the space stone could have stopped stormbreaker and the reality stone could’ve changed it into bubbles.
2. Thanos is still a mortal and was never able to use the gauntlet at full power due to that much gamma harming him, while Infinity Ultron being a robot was able to take the energy at full compacity
Thanos is not mortal. He is a half titan and half eternal
@@Roast_wallah But he can die, yes?
Nah thanos was just caught off gaurd. But sb blocking that blast is still impressive
Nowhere is it said that Stormbreaker i an energy absorbent weapon. It was even confirmed that Mjolnir can't perform the feat because it is not as *powerful* as Stormbreaker
Seth the programmer scaled mcu Thor to country level Hahahah.
2:08 Another thing to mention is that the BiFrost moved multiple stars which is easily Star level. And the 9 realms and planets in the MCU scale above planets irl. The Grandmaster’s planet no sold having multiple wormholes on its surface, including one containing a Magnetar. 9 realms are stated to be multi dimensional. 9 realms can tank the BiFrost hitting it, and the BiFrost is mftl +. 3:03 exactly good job. 3:39 you should also mention how, Mjolir no sold a super nova. And Hela destroyed that same Mjolir, Hela was on Asgard for days and it’s stated by Odin that her power grows limitlessly. Thor when after awakening his power knocked out that same Hela in one shot and she was out for multiple minutes. And now with Stormbreaker Thor is even more powerful. 4:00 also Tesseract didn’t break when the space stone outputted energy to fix the Rainbow bridge which could contain the energy of the Bifrost which is planet-Star. Yet it still didn’t survive Thanos crushing it. 6:18 it was actually stated to be a Magnetar in an official guidebook. 6:52 Drax was going to get one shotted by Iron Man. Same Drax that tanked a ship that did more damage to the hadron enforcer then Ronan. Thor >>>>>> Iron Man. 7:26 exactly. 10:12 also Iron Man without the suit reacted to his repulsers which are stated to be beams of light. 11:10 another thing to mention is he is being hit with these shards which are moving at mftl + speeds. This feat is calculated at Large Star to solar. 11:27 this is also consistent with Thor reacting to a beam of light from the IG, which is calculated at mftl +.
Bro. Nice one
Wait bro so what is Thor and Thanos? I don’t get how Thor is planet to planet + thought he’d be more
@@moonknight4053 Both are Planet to Solar
@@user-re3nr9fd6f so Thor and thanos are near the solar system levels of power? Also is he massively hyper sonic or mftl? I’m really confused these scalings are all over the place
@@moonknight4053 solar system I doubt. That would be a stretch. Multi planetary is a possibility tho. Since the bifrost was stated to destroy planets in Thor 1
Gorr will be crazy strong. there have been multiple statements saying that he is the strongest enemy thor has faced, which means he's above maleketh, hela and thanos.
That'll be amazing!
@@Chuck yeah also You should power scale SDS. it gets crazy powerful.
Well yeah he has to be op in conics mans was literally killing thousands of gods
@@too_official6194 yup.
@Proxima hell yeah he’s above hella and Thor got way stronger with storm breaker lmao he almost killed thanos with the infinity gauntlet n base thanos is already above hella also he has yet to become old king Thor the older they get the stronger n yet he still needed 2 other thors to defeat gor not even kill him it’s crazy how strong he is
RE. Thor's speed. He, on several occassions, has run down Silver Surfer while the Surfer is cruising at >1000 Light Years /second, and was 10,000x FTL), while carrying the weight of a large asteroid. So while Thor isn't in the very top tier of the fastest speedsters, he's not slow by any stretch, and probably in the top 10.
Keemstar is still faster
Remember this is MCU thor^^
@@Boffjamin He referenced comics, so I did too.
@@etnaD- Only if there's a 16 y/o girl in his DMs.
@@Just_Pele that was specifically comic books that tied into the mcu
Yeah I was thinking Thor in the movies was atleast star level. Great video confirming that he wasn't planetary but much more.
Thanks for watching!
Amazing I was hoping for a MCU scale video for a long time. Heroes some suggestions dor the future:
Infinity Gauntlet Thanos
Scarlet Wich (after wandavision)
Captain Marvel
Infinity gauntlet ultron
Doctor Strange
Amazing video really hoping to see more MCU vids!
Glad to see you are putting videos out more frequently. Love your content man
Appreciate it!
@@Chuck well done. Hopefully Herald of thunder Thor gets his own video!
Good video and scaling putting thor past the island to country shit
I feel like people really under sell MCU Quicksilver because I believe he was fast enough to react to the bullets but not fast or maybe just not skilled enough to save Hawkeye and the kid without hurting because it looks as if he pushed them rather than grab them which would make sense on why he was in cover as well, I think if he only had to worry about himself he could have easily avoid getting shot, especially because they were already in motion about to kill Hawkeye and the kid.
I recently watch thor movies so I want his scaling as well nice job for making this video
Huge thanks for watching!
@@Chuck wow it's rare for you to reply back nice but if u are reading this reply can u do more mcu scaling stuffs & btw I like this video
I say people forget quicksilver didn't take a breath or a break with none stop running and we can see when he said you didn't see that coming
“A ship that could withstand the Devil’s Anus”
Chuck-2021
LMAO!
It’s a case of power potential vs rational. Example: Dr. strange massively out scales almost everyone, but he doesn’t abuse his power.
That makes sense!
so true i just hate how people wank scarlet witch just because shes so op in comics and seems more op in her own show but Dr strange is just so broken hes legit like scarlet witch on steroids and actually knows how to use his powers.
Then the fact if he fought with thor he wouldnt just win he could fuck with him mentally (bringing his mother, home land death, picking the place to fight, using his teleportation to teleport his hammer uses clones so its harder to hit him etc hes just so damn overpowered and underrated imo)
True.he will stomp mcu thor,byt in comics its a different story ,rune king thor is outerversal(omniversal)and is able to take on entities such as the ones who sit above the sahdows(possible beyonders)and he destroyed thetree of life yggdrassil,which was insane,im not saying strabge is weak,no way is he,black pruest strange is extremely close to yhe power of rtk ,but im just saying ,rtk is one of the most powerful comic characters,and mcu thor is a far cry ,sadly same story with strange,thankfullystrange supreme changed that
He blew up a chunk of Sakovia pretty easily sooo yeah..
I love these analyses because it gives you more details on movies as well. Good job!
Glad you like them!
Thanos is just absolutely nightmarish in the MCU then. Everytime I watch Endgame it's wild to see the work he puts in on Ironman, Cap and Thor. Without plot armor he'd just absolutely slaughter those three. It's not even funny or okay.
There's a reason he won like millions times!
@@Chuck, thanks for responding. Hope to see your powerscale on Thanos or even Scarlett Witch who decided undressing Thanos was a great way to avenge Vision. Lol
Well
I wouldn't say plot armour
Sometimes it's just tactics and different strategies that help one side win over the other
And also , thor was depressed and out of shape. While iron man retired
But thanos is still freaking insane , even without the infinity stones , I'd say the only people who would beat him would be
Thor ( infinity war ) , Captain Marvel , Wanda , and Strange
Maybe Cap and Iron man too I'm not sure
Well, even without IG Thanos has destroyed gods like they were nothing but mere bugs.
Movies Thor>movies Superman
Chuck is the only person I’ve ever heard to mention the thousands of years hulk spent on Sakaar. I barely noticed that line exchange during the film but didn’t pay attention lol.
Wow how impressive.
As shocking as this may be I don't think it's too much as I always thought Thor was at a high level.
Glad you agree!
Lets go, Thor’s easily my favorite Avenger
Same here!
@@Chuck Spider-Man and Iron Man are better.
@@saudbintalib5701 Once your fully grown. Or atleast 15, Thor will be your favourite Avenger
Dude Thor god of thunder god bomb is peak Thor for me
@@satchelharding189 for me its Thor 2020 issue 7 & 8
thor 2000 year from now is op
I almost completely agree with this except for the fact that Thor as of Ragnarok or even Infinity War has surpassed Odin. By scaling, Odin is still much beyond Thor as he was able to overpower and contain Hela and defeated Eternal Flame Surtur- both of whom are much above Thor as of right now. Via statements, Odin is several tiers above everyone in the MCU except the Celestials, Ego, and IG Thanos. He is stated to be capable of destroying entire armies with a thought, stripped Thor of all his powers with ease, was stated to be capable of killing Malekith and Kurse all at once, formed stars out of Frigga's corpse, and commands the Odinforce which is the power source of all of Asgard including the Bifrost which is capable of planet-busting.
While Odin did state that Thor is stronger than him, that statement could very well mean the fact that Thor is potentially more powerful than Odin (which is not surprising at all) but he still has a long way to go.
Exactly, the older the Asgardian are the more powerful they are. Both Odin and Hela had more control over mjolnir when they faced, same would happen with stormbreaker.
For me it sounded more like an motivational speech than potential etc, like Thor didn't do the same mistakes as Odin did and so on.
I think Odin IS THE most powerful character in the MCU.
Dude literally treats death like a joke.
I mean he is dead but still talks to Thor, can summon the bifrost to send Hulk to Earth at Heimdall's request.
He also made literally EVERY ASGARDIAN TO FORGET HELA.
Hela isn't even that old by Asgardian standards either.
She is probably meant to o be the equivalent of a person in their 40s.
Pretty sure there is Asgardians older than that.
So what would Odin be? Is Thor like multi planetary right? Mcu is useless at giving there characters better feats and character arcs like raimi
LOVE videos like this! Keep it up 👍
Glad you like them!
"holding the BYFROST open could destroy joutenheim with you upon him." - heimdall, 2011
"in theory, it could even summon the BYFROST." - king eitri, 2018
thor is planetary, at minimum, small planetoid buster. one of his lightning strikes in ragnarok also broke the rainbow bridge in a single blow, unlike mjolnir which took many smashes.
one lightning blast from mjolnir changed the landscape of joutenheim and killed the frost giant's monster with one hit.
he destroyed the destroyer, and turned scovia into ashes with one blow.
thor trolled malekith while using the red infinity stone, the reality aether: *"with all that power, i thought you'd hit harder."* - dark world, 2013
Not to mention the BiFrost was shown even before forming a black hole was shown to affect multiple stars.
@@user-re3nr9fd6f and the byforst can cut/slice through anything, but when Hela neck-chocked thor against the byfrost, it did nothing.
he also destroyed scovia with one smash, while iron man contained the shock of the vibranium.
Hey man, awesome video as ever, but I did want to ask about the bi-frost feat. I saw someone on Instagram make the argument that moving within the bi-frost would not equate to moving outside of the bi-frost. Like moving on top of a train not equaling fighting and moving along side the train. What are your thoughts on this?
Well, the feat in question was, going by your analogy, that Hela caught up to the train, and Thor could keep up with her.
Don't forget that Jane was in the bifrost as well in Thor 2. All you need might just be will power to move against it.
Thanks for this. I always put thor in personal debates with friends and people think i make stuff up.
There's a lot of surface level stuff that is ignored for some reason, haha.
Cant wait to see what he does in thor love and thunder
I'm very hype for that movie!
Nice video! I would love to see a Thor vs Captain Marvel video
Sounds good!
@@Chuck mcu versions please but if your gonna do comic versions use binary form Carol so it’s more fair.
Can we get a power tier list of every mcu character including the eternals
Strength of a hero isn't what makes him\her loved by people.
Also heroes are as strong as writers want them to be.
Awesome!
Could you do a video on Ultron from What if?
Definitely!
@@Chuck Ah thank you! The what if characters do some pretty insane stuff.
Nice video. I'd love to see a MCU Hulk if possible, would you say it's fair to scale it him to Thor or more correctly around Thor's level because even though Hulk is downright weaker to Thor, It think that he would still be able to contend somewhat to a serious Thor given that he can damage Surtr but I could just be wanking there. Also would a MCU Hulk vs Battle Beast fight be an interesting matchup or would it be a stomp?
Maybe I'll do Hulk, we'll see!
it would be a stomp as battle beast is way to fast
@@codzy9384 lmaoo no he is not kid
@@tinalovre umm dude battle beast scales to massively ft combat speed. mcu hulk scales to massively hypersonic the speed gap is literally obvious
@@codzy9384 hulk is mftl watch the video
Great video and scaling bro
I would like to see a MCU Hulk Scaling Video as a follow up.
The Bifrost is an einstein-rosen bridge according to thor 1, ie, a wormhole that works by reducing the space between the starting point and the destination using massive amounts of energy. In other words, you do not need to be faster than light at all to be able to fight inside the bifrost, since you are not locally moving at those speeds. In Dark World, even Jane Foster was able to look around and see what was going on during her ride to Asgard on the Bifrost.
obviously he has other feats which seem to be FTL such as reacting to light beams and snatching loki out of a black hole, as you mentioned, i just think the bifrost speed feat is a little flimsy. Hela did catch up to thor in the bifrost but again that doesn't really mean anything since she was, you know, also riding the bifrost. also if thor were faster than the bifrost he wouldn't need it to travel around to begin with lol.
There’s no proof it works like an Einstein Rosen bridge at all, so even if Thor said that( which he didn’t you totally misinterpreted what he said Jane said that and Thor corrected her with “Rainbow bridge) it’s contradicted. It works like a tractor beam which has a pull.
I do agree with the scaling, Great vid, always ready for MCU stuff
Thanks!
Well done Chuck. We need Herald of Galactus Thor as a future video
I really wanna see him show what he’s really got in live action like he did in what if where while literally just playing around sent Captain Marvel to another continent!
YES YES YES!!!!! I’ve been waiting for this!!
Thanks for watching!!
Definitely enjoyed this video bro!
Glad to hear it!
Yo sick vid chuck keep it up, I'm really looking forward to more vids
Appreciate it!
Good to have you back Chuck.
Thanks for the comment!
@@Chuck My pleasure.
One of the things I like most about power scaling is you can't always tell where their limits are without looking into greater detail. And then sometimes you find things that the creators might not have taken into account.
the best channel for powers scaling and proving my friends wrong lol also can you do a vid on scaling the godzilla games because i know in ps4 godzilla that space godzilla should be multi star level from his guide and i thought all the kaijus would be as well sense you can defeat him but i wanted to know if you think thats the case as well
Thanks for the great content as always
Glad you enjoy it!
Amazing video, will you make the same type of video for the other MCU characters?
Perhaps!
Awesome video, nice to see some MCU scaling again, been a while!
Welcome back!
Doesn't the fact that Dr. Strange stopped Dormmamu by trapping him in a loop mean that he is affected by time?
He used it on himself
Great vid Chuck! Who do you think is the strongest MCU Avenger? Also you should make more vids like this or even scaling the DCEU.
Thanks for the idea!
Thor: I Am Thor and I will destroy your planet if you keep downplaying me, Also please fix The DAMN Door!! I forgot who said that but they told me to say that. Great video Chuck can't wait to see more scale's for Thor.
Huge thanks!
@@Chuck No problem love your content and how you scale characters. Its just really nice. Stay safe later.
Always nice to see that Chuck uploaded!
More to come!
@@Chuck My man!
Cool video, dawg
Glad you enjoyed!!
Awesome video!
Thanks fam!
Awesome video chuck!
Thanks for the visit
@@Chuck no thank you!
Awesome video as hope to see more cosmic Thor or a phoenix king Thor videos in the future
Thanks very much for watching!
No problem bro
THANK YOU! I’ve been trying to scale MCU Thor for ages.
Glad I could help!
Didn’t know I needed this great video!! I can’t wait for the collab bleach video hoping it’s the saskue vs ulqquiorra either way excited😎
Huge thanks for watching!
Thanks for this Chuck
I was hoping you get to Thor and I am glad you did.
Great video
Thanks for watching!!
@@Chuck No problem and about your blasaian question.
I will make sure their are more blasians in the world.
Chuck deserves so much more subs
Awesome video man. Perhaps you would be interested in doing a video on mcu SW next?
Possibly!
I believe in the lore it’s actually said that the norse gods aren’t the true gods since Egyptian gods exist too so they’re like second lvl gods but the celestials are actual gods so theyre just op aliens and there is the one above all and just read the name like that mans is probably just the writers inserting themselves in the story
He broke Ragnarok on a multiversal scale, not to mention "Those who sit in shadow" or something, are proven to be like celestial beings. So RKT is EASILY multiversal
I think it was confirmed somewhere that they were Beyonders.
@@NightRyder19 and beyonders are multiversal. So destroying multiple of them makes him way beyond multiversal
@@Zaacdrums all of the beyonders together are omniversal which is everything in fiction
Yeah
But that would just be a bit too much for the MCU right now
@@The_Mad_Titan_007 way to much in my opinion. Mcu is still at universal in power level unless you count ultron with the gauntlet. And even then that’s still multi universal
Cant forget pre vs post-ragnarok. Pre ragnarok was a bit stronger than Iron man with Mark VII armor who took blows from mjolnir. Much love man and keep covering fun topics like this
Thanks for watching!
@@Chuck np :)
Good video bro 👍
Thanks for the visit
i guess i underestimated mcu thor. i always thought he was multicontinental to planetary but i guess he's a lot stronger. still nothing compared to comic thor who is galaxy level and in newer comics scales to universal and multiversal characters so that's a given. plus everyone knows the comic versions are always stronger.
That's true!!
Like
There's no way they would've brought in the comics version of all the characters
It's just the fact
But I guess The MCU is slowly progressing to that point
So chuck you should make a top 10 strongest characters in mcu after endgame
Perhaps!
Alioth or Ultron Mk Infinity would probably be number one with "He that remains" or Kang being zero.
I wonder how stronger he will be in Love and Thunder
If I remember correctly, since Taika wants to honor Gor, so he'll fight the strongest Thor
Also, kinda saddened how Hulk was left behind in the MCU :(
Yeah I'm pretty hype for that movie!
Thor was the strongest Avenger 💪
CHANGE MY MIND.
If I walk from the back to the front of an airplane, while it is flying... does that make me faster then an airplane?
If that plane can travel at the speed of light and you manage to do a whole walk around it while it reaches its destination then yes
Yes you are
Stop with the false equivalence fallacy. The BiFrost works like a tractor beam not like, a plane.
To back up what you said about him being planet level or planet+ I left a comment explaining why the snap (combined power of the stones) erased a planets worth of matter entirely, and him being able to over power that same combined power supports him being planet+ rather than strictly planet level.
(The comment was a correction of a prior statement I had made, and on another video)
Love your content. May you do a video on the strongest MCU Heros and Villains? Thank you.
Great suggestion!
I think in terms of raw power he scales above Strange and Carol, but is under Wanda
Yeah, Wanda and Strange have more raw power/hacks in a way, but not nearly the same durability.
But Chuck, Sokovia isn't a country. It looks like a city.
Thor is definitely op. Currently he’s hindered by his trauma and guilt but after he gets over that, he’ll be back to full form
Thor is pretty awesome!
Ahh, still my favourite character since childhood
I still don't think we've seen a fraction of what Thor is capable of. He has to hold back to not destroy more than what's necessary. Look how he destroyed that part of Sakovia. Effortlessly. Why turn the Earth to dust when you need to destroy a single robot lol.
Hey Chuck bro! An interesting fight would be MCU Thanos vs Aizen from Bleach.
Just do two sections like one fight without the Infinity Stones and Hogyouku and the other is all out. The fight makes sense and to know if the Hogyouku would be useful when you use the Infinity Stones.
Cool idea
Great video chuck
Thanks 👍
Btw
I would like to discuss some scp scaling/MCU scaling with you...I think you would be shocked especially for the scp part.
Great video
Huge thanks!
fyi, in What If, Thor and captain marvel where punching each other across earth in just mere moments.
This man said all this stuff about how strong Thor is then at the end just “ yeah I don’t think Thor is the strongest avenger”
BRUH
Physically he's strongest avenger, stronger than capt marvel imo. She did hold of thanos , but Thanos was heavily nerfed in endgame. Also his feats are much better, unless writers want her to beat his ass
And here I was thinking mcu Thor was country level. Also, I did the math and found out that Thor is 24 in God years. Seems legit
Edit: I wouldn’t say Thor has MFTL reaction speed because he was able to fight in the Bifrost. That’s kind of like saying humans have supersonic reaction speed because they can fight in fighter jets. Reaction speed isn’t based on how fast the object you can catch is, it’s about how much time you need to catch that object. Think about it this way: If a professional baseball player pitched a ball at 40 m/s 4 meters away, you would have 1\10th of a second to react so it would likely hit you in the face. If that baseball player was 40 meters away and pitched at the exact same speed, then you would have a full second to react and catch it (hopefully). While the Bifrost can travel galaxies in moments, Asgard is likely VERY far away from earth. Meaning the idea of the trip taking seconds or even minutes is probable. So the feat could show superhuman reaction speed at it’s highest or the battle could be understood by a normal human at lowest.
Agree with everything
Noice video
Thanks!
You actually UNDERRATED him. Is he the strongest and most powerful Avenger? YES. No if, ands, or buts about it. Even the Scarlet Witch wasn’t able to take him down with her vast magics and she’s the ONLY threat to him on the Avengers. Hulk is not as strong as Thor. Ragnarok even proved that for MCU Thor as well.
Idea for Video
Hulk Vs SCP-096 similarities
They both have rage states well Hulk is the rage state they both are immortal and have regeneration also great vid
Chuck, can you do a video on DCEU Superman? Love your videos
Maybe at some point. Thanks for watching!
Frame of reference is important.
The Bifrost has a travel speed, not unlike riding a train or a plane. The Bifrost makes travel across realms possible. Catching up to someone while also inside of the Bifrost is like running up to someone on a plane who is also on that same plane. This doesn't make me the speed of a commercial jet if I do that, nor does this make anyone within the Bifrost as fast as the Bifrost (or they wouldn't need it for travel).
We see Hela catch up to the Bifrost though off her own accord/flight.
@@Chuck They have plenty of speed feats to choose from, the Bifrost just isn't one of them. Also, the train scene from Captain Marvel isn't one, either. Seriously, once in the Bifrost, that provides its own reference frame, kind of like each of us isn't planetary travel speeds, yet we are on the planet which moves at around 67,000 mph and the fastest human on Earth can only travel around 24 mph. This doesn't mean that the human is actually going 67,024 mph; It means that the human is within a reference frame (on the planet) going 24 mph, and it doesn't mean that human is planetary speeds, either.
@@drunknpoet No the Bifrost scaling is still valid, it's just that people scale it incorrectly. The Bifrost is stated to work like a tractor beam on the official marvel website, meaning it pulls things towards it, at MFTL+ speeds in this case. Loki was able to throw his knife towards Hela, who was behind him, giving him MFTL+ combat speed since in order for the knife to travel behind him it would've needed to move fast enought to resist the pull of the bifrost. Hela was able to react to the knife throw giving her MFTL+ reaction speed, and Thor is comparable to Hela and Loki, giving Thor MFTL+ reaction and combat speed.
@@justinsarfo829 That isn't how Inertial Frames of Reference work, at all. That is the same as saying that if you are in a biplane, and you throw a knife, that said knife was thrown by your power alone. It was not. You borrow the speed of your inertial reference frame, because of conservation of momentum. This is just physics inertia 101. Loki throws at the speed while standing still that he does while existing within the bifrost, the bifrost adds its momentum. Another example would be someone standing still on an escalator, and some other person running up the escalator. That doesn't make that second person's top speed any faster, it makes them move faster relative to the people who aren't running on an escalator. The person on the escalator is going backwards compared to the person who is riding in that biplane (from the first example), because of inertial reference frames. The same holds true here.
@@justinsarfo829 That being said, I appreciate the engagement you made here. Thank you for the civil tone and demeanor. I hope that I was able to get my point across in a similarly tasteful and respectful manner, as you and @Chuck both did.
What do you think about Key Issues MCU power scaling?
Specifically Thor and Thanos videos.
haven't seen them
@@Chuck key issues low ball the hell out of thor trust me you won't be shocked bro
Key issues has admitted that he is biased towards dc. He purposefully lowballs marvel and then highball characters who haven't done anything yet like Darkseid to planetary plus
@@doomthagoon8512 oh darkseid is planetary. But he did downplay the hell out of Thor and thanos though. Wouldn’t be shocked if he made ultron from what if planetary only
@@Zaacdrums darkseid isn’t planetary based on on screen feats … it the ability of mother boxes that is.