I have loved the FE since my first car, a 1968 Galaxie 500 with a 390. When I junked it, I put the engine and transmission in a different '68 Galaxie with a freeze-busted 390 which had more goodies, like air conditioning and power front disc brakes. Both had automatic transmissions, neither had a C6.
I actually love the 289 and 302 small blocks. I have owned everything from a 300 ci 6 (actually 2), 250 i6, 302, 351 C, 390 and 429. Loved all of them, but the small blocks are strong, reliable engines, out of the box, and with littke more than a few bolt-ons, the HP can best 300 HP. And with a little more money on heads, valve train, induction and exhaust, can push 375 + HP, and these little blocks will handle it.
Thank goodness for some Ford engine content on You Tube! I've been running a 302 w/ 289 4bbl heads in my 41 Willys coupe for the last 30 yrs and has never missed a beat! No regrets!
@@cammontreuil7509 Cam: I have a friend who was a machinist and loves Ford's (has two Boss 302s) and he machined up a set for me and we put them on my 302. My buddy had a 36 Ford Pickup with a 302 in it and my same friend did a set of 69 351W 4bbl heads for him. Wish I had those!
@@glennnickerson8438 cool. Ford's rock and rule. But I've never seen a set of marked 289 4 v heads. Cleveland heads can be marked by a 4. 68 and 69 302 can be marked 4 v. I have a 351w intake marked 4 v, but never seen a 289 4 v. Early 289 heads are marked 289. But never seen 4 v on them.
@@cammontreuil7509 I might be wrong (usually am), my friend who did them said they were 4bbl heads off a 289. I know they have small chambers and the valves are close together. I'm an old dubba so I don't need to go too fast, but that small block fires right off and purrrs like kitten! Plus everyone runs a Chevy and I like my distributor up front!
The 210and 225 hp were regular Mustangs with 4 V. The 210 was a D code and the 225 was the A code 289 the 271 hp was the R if I remember correctly. I don’t think that the marked the casting it was on the vin and a matter of valvetrain parts they had, either pressed in or screw in studs, one piece retainers and valves.
great video, I really don't like all the boys that " lets drop in an LS", I have always believed in a Ford in a Ford even during the Y Block days. I also think the 302 is the best small block choice and the 385 series for the big block because of block and parts availability. The 429 showed up in the 1968 T-Bird and ran till 1976 in the pickup, 460started in 1972 T-Bird and ran till 1997 pickup. The 429 was offered in the F100 for 2 years, not sure which mid 70's. But I still like the FE for '58 thru '68 builds Love the Cleveland, but block and parts availability are a Problem. Really like your videos and the information you put out, keep it up.
@@falconater68 I put a set of Roush 200s on a 4 inch stroke 351W and that was a proper 4.03 bore 4 inch stroker I forgot which one but I think it was a Scat with 6.25 rods and short CH pistons with metric rings that were going to put in my father in laws 35 Ford pickup. After I had him have it dynoed he decided it might not be a good match. 😂. 470 ft lbs and 445 hp flat from 1800-5800, he sold the whole shebang on the way. I had him stop at Semo Mustang and they asked him what he wanted for it. Sneathen gave him $5500 he took one look at the dyno sheet from his brothers dyno. 400 cubes of innocent looking Windsor. A set of JBAs that he brought home with him. He decided on the 302 instead. He never got the 302 running before he passed on.
I really miss being able to see well enough to build another FE. I have wanted to build a 4.16 bore with a 4.25 stroke 462 ci FE with a set of Trick Flow heads and a Tunnel Wedge 2x4 intake manifold or even a single 4V Track Boss. I have two great roller cams all the valvetrain stuff. My son is working 2 jobs and he isn’t interested in it at all, I don’t blame him, what do I need a 700 hp 600 ft lb 65 Galaxie 2 dr ht for? With fill up to the core plugs and an oil cooler with reverse cooling with a Mezierre water pump on the fender well to each head and the regular one circulating the block through the radiator and piped to the electric AN lines to the heads, and a good oil cooler with Accusump.
I have a pearsonal love for a 351W. I think I would have to go the 351 route. Like you said. There are small fitment issues to overcome. But I imagine it cant be as big of issues as trying to mount up a big block. Love hearing other guys opinions on ford motors. Or just talking engines in general. I'll definitely subscribe. Looking foward to seeing more videos like this!
The 351w would be my choice. It will do almost anything you'd wanna do, and they're as plentiful as the 302, including factory roller engines. It will essentially fit in every chassis that the 302 will, though in some applications, you'd have to source mounts and headers the just as you would for a big block in some other cars. While only marginally more expensive to build, all the parts you need/want for a 302 build are readily available for a 351W. Headers, manifolds, heads, accessory brackets, oil pans, etc., it's all available. Even stroker kits for the 351w cost about the same as 302 kits, and the machining is essentially the same, but in the end you'll have 50-75 cubes more displacement. That means big block power in a small block package. It means the ability to handle turbos without worrying about block splitting. It means you can build a milder combo and get the same power, but better drivability and durability. The only exception I'd make to the 351w suggestion is if you're intending to build a high rev'ing NA engine. Then yeah, 302. Or maybe there's a destroked 351w kit out there? Gotta ask the googles that one.
The 351W does have some slight fitment issues in the pre-1969 chassis, due to deck height. Stock driver's side exhaust manifold may rest on the stock steering box. I know one guy who has one in a '66 Fairlane and bought headers that the manufacturer said would fit, but don't.
@@et76039 Indeed, there are some issues that will need to be resolved with some applications, again, no different than mounting a 385 series big block in others. There are mounts designed to offer adjustability (including lowering the mounting of the engine), and yes, finding the right exhaust manifolds or headers in those applications may be challenging. But I'm reminded of how it was commonly recommended and common practice to dent headers to fit in some applications. And really, if a 302 based engine is the better fit for whatever reason (convenience or fit or cost or availability or whatever), sure, do that.
@@et76039 Back in late '70s I installed a '69 Torino 351W in a '67 Falcon. Was a bolt together . Under hood dimensions of '66/'67/'68 Fairlane & Falcon are identical to '69. The '70/'71 are slightly wider.
I can agree with the FE being expensive. I've got a '64 Thunderbird with a fresh short block sitting on the stand that has the Edlebrock Top End Kit. I had purchased a 428 short block that ended up having a cracked #2 journal. So, I went back to my OG block and put the 428 internals in it. So, I got the old Mercury 410 with all the Edel goodies. Hoping to get it fired up either the end of this year or the next.
351 winsor for starting in the Canadian winter (trust me I know) 460 for towing and Hauling especially with OBS F-450 axle codes 72 & 73 And for Fuel economy... 7.3 Idi or 300 inline 6... or anything Chevy over its ford equivalent.
Hey man great video! You mentioned you have a '69 Ford Fairlane wagon? That's awesome! I inherited a 1969 Ford Fairlane with a 302 and a 3 speed manual Hurst on the floor. If possible I have some technical and potential upgrade questions about it because I want to upgrade the motor to be a sleeper type car that's still numbers matching with the OG engine and I'm not sure if I want to keep the original tranny just because it's numbers matching or swap it for something better. Some advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and have a great day broski
I got a 351 waiting for the stimulus check to come in so i can buy a top end kit and do my own version of a lightning clone with my 94 obs... i just havent figured out what color lightning i wanna do
I just ordered a Blueprint 302 cruiser series yesterday. 361 hp (or a little more), roller cam, aluminum heads. Under 6 grand shipped and tax included for a long block, with oil and a filter. Tough to beat that price, even at a local builder, and probably not a 6-9 month wait. I have everything I need pretty much, to unbolt and bolt it all back together. I have to get another balancer and flexplate, since the balance is different than my current engine.
I have a soft spot for the 351C, but realize that in the earlier cars they’re also a tight fit. They are also not as easy to find as they used to be, even the 2V. Bigger, heavier car would at least warrant a 351W (with good heads,cam, intake, etc) for the torque to move it around, even if the car’s not going to be burning up any tracks or back streets. Your 460 advise is sound.
I've had my 64 Comet for 47 years this year. 289 4 speed, ok, 351C 4speed hard on the drivers licence, and now a stock Supercharged 3.8 V6 from a 89 XR7 Cougar,, the sweet spot. Fred
8 months ago I bought 2 1968 mustangs for 3500 both sat in a barn since 1995 one had the 302 and c4 in it the other had the 289 in pieces and now the one with the 302 is my daily driver. I swapped out the motor for a 93 302 out of an F150 because the original had a stuck valve and bent the push rod.
I got a 1976 Ford F-350 dump truck with a 360 two barrel long tube headers and chrome valve covers but surprisingly I get good gas mileage with it even when I give the old girl hell and don't but a great running engine
Funny that you say a 302 is more affordable than the 351W. I've been shopping for long tube F series/Bronco headers and the 351W is walking the dog and dragging the puppies on the 302 in selection. I have yet to find a set of 302 equal length headers for this application. I will admit I'm new to the Ford scene and the small, medium, medium large and large block thing is a challenge to say the least.
Once I put a stock 390 in my ‘68 Mustang. It was a pain, I could barely change the spark plugs. Made the car handle a lot worse as well. Had decent power though, the torque was awesome. Eventually I put in a 302 with edelbrock top end kit (370 hp version). The car isn’t a speed demon, but fun to cruise around town. One day I’ll put a 347 in, but I’m happy for now.
I am building a 462 ci FE from a Dump Truck block factory made with a Stroker kit and aluminum heads and a 2x4 V intake. Shooting for 750 hp N/A. You should shoot for one like Power Nation did, the got 585 hp from a 445.
Surely you had sense enough to ditch the 90 lb intake manifold for a 20 lb one? The FE weighs the same as a stock 351W , I have weighed them. Put a set of headers and a cam like you would have to do with a 351. I had a Fastback Mustang and I would fly around corners with that torque. I can’t believe that the magazine hacks have done this they compared a 428 build with just an Edelbrocks heads and top end kit and a 351 W 427 and the FE stomped it. All kinds of excuses. But a mild 428 beat their roller cam W.
@@fenatic7484 yep, one of the first things I did was get that iron boat anchor off and installed an aluminum intake. I was going to put a set of aluminum heads on the 390, but one head cost as much as a complete set for the 302. Another reason I took it out. FE pats aren’t cheap.
I attended a little car show a couple of weekends ago. There was a 68 Bullet tribute Mustang with what was allegedly a 390 (sticker said so anyway). Had aluminum heads and intake and headers. Head to shock tower clearance was still horrendously tight.
I have a 351 cleveland. I'm putting it in my 76 f100. I'm only putting headers and edelbrock performer intake on it. It's a completely stock engine.. any tips ?
Well my budget FE has been outstanding, tons of available parts, east to wrench, and it gives me that constant leak indicator that everything is working great ;)
Wrong on the FE. I did a 394 ci that is.020 over 390 with 352/390 heads that I carefully ported myself and put 2.055/1.585 valves in with TRW forged pistons and ARP rod bolts. I put a swap meet Holley Street Dominatot that I matched to the heads a 750 3310 Holley and Crites headers in a 1965 Galaxie. I assembled it myself. I have a Comp Cams solid flat tappet cam. On the dyno it did 496 hp and 463 ft lbs. Streetable 10.25::1 cr. I built it in 2000 and have run the living dog out of it and it keeps on ticking away, and with 4.33 gears it is a real handful. No oil consumption yet and with the locker I bought used it will burn both tires in all 3 ranges . The C6 is tough as nails and surprise with iron heads and aluminum intake it weighs 538 lbs , the same as a SBC or a 351 W. It has been an excellent value, 21 years of beating on the thing and it has never broken 😎. Need I say more?
I agree, a 460 with a set of worked D0VE heads is the most bang for your buck of any Ford. I swapped one into my 68' Torino and it's a monster! Plus, the 385's are a stronger platform than a BBC, and... the BBF parts cost about the same. Does anyone know why FE parts are so damn expensive? I can build almost two BBF's for the cost of one FE.
@@Rendezvous70 But the racing FEs (427's) were side oilers. They're impossible to find because the racers eventually blew them all up. The funny thing is that skirted blocks were considered old technology for years, which they were, but now the modern engines like the LS and Godzilla use skirted blocks because they're better. The Ford's Achilles heel has ALWAYS been it's exhaust port design which was compromised to fit in shock tower bodies. The odd thing too is it's easier to replace plugs and headers on a 385 series than an FE in a Mustang or Fairlane. I know guys who would rather sell their FE powered Mustangs than do a compression test.
There are still really good FEs out there, but they are pricey unless you are buddies with the builder. A lot of it is bullshit. People expect them to be expensive, so the builders oblige. I can put a 500 hp 500 ft lb FE together cheap. Aholes recover 5 yrs overhead on one build.
I would go for the D3TE heads with big chambers and flat top pistons with the single eyebrow. The 68-71 heads detonate, 72 s are the worst. Any head after 73 when they increased the deck height are better. The deck was raised to 10.320, and the single eyebrow forged pistons come up to 0 deck with the 466, that’s a .030 over 460. Aluminum heads take a lot of weight off but will still be 100 more than the FE, it weighs about the same as a 351W after chucking the iron intake manifold for aluminum.
Possibly. The 221-302 fords are narrower than a SBC. More clearance for headers, steering shafts, brake booster, etc. Potential issue is location of the oil pump, the SBF in the front vs the SBC's rear. Potential interference with the crossmember/steering rack has to be taken into account. The SBF has an advantage in the transmission department due to the cheap availability of Mustang II V8 parts. MII's used a smaller 148 tooth flywheel/flex plate in both auto and manual config. The MII bellhousing for the C4 is considerably smaller than anything available for the SBC. MII's also used a unique oil pan. The pan is nice if you absolutely need clearance but windage could be a potential issue.
FE engines are much cheaper to build today compared to 10 years ago. And lots of performance can be had with mostly factory FE stuff and just a few aftermarket parts.
HO 5.0 engines from the 87-93 Lincoln Mark VII’s make awesome power for classic cars. They are Gt motors that weren’t thrashed like the ones in the mustang foxbodys were.
Jeff...... I agree with about 90% of your views on this. The 302 IS the easiest Engine to build, from mild to wild!! Big Blocks are FUN! 😁 But can get expensive as quickly as they run. Not to mention the dismal Fuel Economy!! But my first choice for what I'd want to drive (midsize or Pony), is the 351 Windsor. Sure it costs a little more than any 302... But in the case of the Mustang, a number of Companies make Headers (Shorty and Long Tube), Mounts, all Accessory Brackets, and a choice of Intake Manifolds. You'll get MORE TORQUE than a 350 Chevy (insert butthurt Chevy Fanboys now!!). 86 and up Blocks are Roller ready, and the sweet GT40 Heads top it all off nicely!! 😊👍👍 It's NOT a screamer. Just know that. But the long Stroke and Long Rods, make it an extremely durable and Long lasting Street Engine! YES, 347 Kits are plentiful and make good Power easily. BUT, the Piston Pins run INTO the Ring Lands, and they have almost no Piston Skirts... That makes them more prone to Piston Slap, earlier, than any other Ford Engine. But if it's a Weekend Warrior and you don't EXPECT it to last long, then the 347 is a great SMALL potent package, that fits in ANYTHING that a 289/302 fits. When I used to build Engines, I found that the best combination was a .040" over 302 Block, with a Custom Ground 3.25" Stroke Crank... Makes a dead reliable 331 without the issues that can't be engineered out of the 347. It's that "Magic" combination, like dare I say - the 327 Chevy!! Custom Grind Cranks ARE expensive. I'm just a little surprised that the 331 never caught on. It really is a solid Motor! 😊 Carmine ✈🚂🚙
Carmine, the 351W was a true smogger. The heads that they had from the get go were barely able to get a 289 enthused. There are better heads now. The magazine guys have tried for a few decades to bury the FE. Lol. 😂 but the truth is the truth, but you have new components now and as soon as they bury the FE, the price will go up on W stuff to get everyone on the FI 4 valve stuff. Welcome to Ford Politics! Sadly they unlike GM eat their own. They ruled everything with the FE, nothing sold on the street you have had to be a devoted Ford guy. You can build a Ford FE stroker or a W stroker… do you see a pattern here? A 385, you need to get Kaase stuff, Ford attempts have been surprisingly lame on the 385, and to get good stuff it aftermarket… I m not falling for it. If I have to spend money to build a 463 FE to make 700 hp, I’m still using a Dump Truck block and a roller valvetrain I’ve had for 15 years. I’m ahead that far in the game.
@@fenatic7484 Absolutely correct. I can tell by that name, that you're a FE kind of guy!! Great, STRONG Engines, IF you know what you're doing. Over 80% of the FE Engines that went through our Shop, had Head Planing done WITHOUT Manifold matching. As you probably know with that design, that's a recipe for sucking Oil in from BOTH the Valley AND the Valve Cover areas!! I was a Ford Line Tech.... VERY well acquainted with Ford Politics. Like I said, GT40 or similar PORTED Heads can make a 351W actually work.... as long as you don't need or want power above 5500RPM. It's a STREET Engine, and a pretty good one. Now, one of the favorite cars I've owned, was a 71 Torino - that I shoved a 428 in. It was a Dream! .... But later, I tried CRAMMING a 390 into a Foxbody..... that was a Nightmare!! Sometimes it's about packaging. 😉
The 385 is a smog pig. The FE was a real revving engine and just put a cam in it and make sure it’s a car engine, the truck engine had the pistons at zero deck.,you will love it!
Uhh, my 71 N code 429 pulled hard to 6200 stone stock. It made power like a 440 Magnum Mopar, so it was no pig. My 71 Ford Custom 4 Dr sedan put a hurt on a LOT of Camaros Trans Ams Chevelles Novas back in the late 70s early 80s. It would run the 140 certified speedo out of the numbers at will.
@@davidkeeton6716 I like the 429, but they are so heavy. The short stroke helped, but robbed it of torque. The carb they put on them, the 4350 had to be replaced with a 750 Holley. And the tiny cam made them run so hot that they cracked exhaust manifolds. I have built some 385s and they can make some power, but stock they were soggy with the cam 12 degrees retarded. The Police Interceptor like yours at least had a smog waiver and they had good heads, but the exhaust ports were a cork. I still like the 65-70 4V FE and especially the Mercury Marauder 410. They were the best stock design Ford made.
A buddy of mine is pulling the 302 out of his 1969 Torino fastback and dropping a 429 out of a 1970 Ford LTD, with huge port Police cast iron exhaust manifold. He did this exact swap back in the day and said it was scary fast. I myself am delving into an engine I have no experience with but I find fascinating. The Ford 312 Y block.
Really enjoyed video learned much bout the 302 mostly worked with 289' n 429' in t birds n stands friends had 302s in mercs glad we subscribed to your channel👍later Rev
I'm thinkin about buying a 63 ford falcon futura, its got everything stock with the 3 speed manual, but I'm not sure less than 200cu is gonna be enough power. What do you think? could it be tuned, or should I toss it and get something else? I'm also wanting to daily it, so mpg is a concern. Thanks for the tips!
I have really enjoyed your videos! I have a 1996 e150 club wagon, that runs great! Can I use it as a doner viehicle, running gears. And tires / brakes and wheels for my 1964 Ford Falcon? Any insite is appreciated1
Hi, I am swapping an engine on a 1964 Ranchero. Not intending to race. Contemplating on placing an Holley Sniper EFI with Hyperspark and AOD. I am looking for a 302 which doesn't seem as easy to find as it used to be. Recommendations? Year? 79-85? Or should I use the earlier version?
@@AutoRestoMod I'm still struggling with my project. Every year I say I'll have it running in the 4th of July parade. Quick follow up: what is the difference on the engine mounts for the Falcon '64 V-8 vs the 1965? Thanks again. I thought this should be fun, lol.
I liked your video. It was a fun lil bit. My first impulse is to argue with you alittle bit about the FE engines but I guess your probably right. I have to stop & think about my situation probably isn't the normal for the rest of the world. I live next to Rons auto salvage & he is a old time junk yard that has dozens of 60's 390's out there. Ive been building old ford trucks since I was 15. If you need a quick powerful engine for not alot $ go throw Ron a couple hundred then give a 9 or 9.5 to 1 390 a freshen up with a cam & then go kick some 460 butt out 4 wheeling. But I forget, my life ain't the norm.
I bet that is one fine F1! The 390 and a top loader are really a great combination! The GT and GTAs were so crippled with a horrible tune and the exhaust manifolds are what gave the FE a bad name for exhaust. Put a set of headers on one and get the distributor set up and hang on!
@@fenatic7484my dad had a 52 ford f6 with a Mormon Harrington 4x4 conversion and he had stuck a 317 Lincoln engine in it those were Y block motors he wore it out and found a little newer one out of a 57 Lincoln and it was 368 cubic inch engine I have got a hold of a 73 f 250 4x4 and had no engine and I am wanting to get an build a 390 fe engine
Just put a gt40p from a 99 Explorer with new eagle 347 kit, Anderson N-21 cam on 1.72 rockers into my 62 Falcon and it was a mother! It fought me every step of the way. 60-62 didn't come with factory v8's so there is not a factory motor mount setup that works with headers. Must use after market conversion mounts to the tune of almost $400. Beautiful car, for sale Tennessee Orange, 347 stroker, Tci c4 with 3600 stall, car has narrowed 9" with 5:13 gears, ladder bars, cage, kirky seats the 5-point harness,100hp nos wet shot. Turn key ready to go.
I have a modified 289 with 351 ported heads with some valve magic done to it, love my little ford small block. Especially after the roller cam conversion.
Roller cams are the bomb! I really love them, but they are quite expensive. The 351 heads are great as long as you can set them up with good compression from your pistons.
@Jesse Stock gear on the distributor. Very minor lift improvement but I believe base circle is stock also, not sure on some of the cam details as my friend Kerry did the conversion for me. He recorded the entire my build on his channel My Vintage Iron.
289s with the early heads have a surprisingly modern chamber. I had one of the last HP blocks and the heads were a 64 casting number and had screw in studs and the slottedpushrod holes. I put 5/16 1.94 intake valves and 5/16 1.5 exhaust with a Tarantula 289 and a large solid for a 289,in a C code early 68 coupe. I built the engine and used a top-Loader with an 8 inch with a Detroit Locker and 3.89 gears. That thing would buzz!
The 429/ 460 broke cranks too, but I attribute that to a previous owner running it in detonation. It failed at a fillet. And I suspected that the caps were from another engine. That would cause fillet distress
I’m a little late to the party but the thing a lot of people miss about 351C parts is they share a BUNCH with the 351M and 400. You can get a running 351M for 200-300 and with an EGR delete, timing adjustment and a proper carb tune they make decent power out of the box. Obviously if you’re building it, there’s aftermarket parts available for 351M/400 and the 351C that address a lot of the year by year engineering issues, like the nylon timing chain, flat piston heads and intake restriction. While the 351C for the boss is rare, there’s the Q code used in some torinos and police cars and other places to find the 4V parts. If you do your research, you can have a relatively reliable and powerful engine for less than 1k and a beast for around 3k (google a 444 stroker kit, I dare you)
The 351 M is a boat anchor 😂 the truck smog motor only produce 135hp and the motor mounts are not the same as the 351C or 400. The bell housing bolt pattern is not the same as the two cousins mentioned above. The 351 M truck motor has the same bell housing bolt pattern as the 429 and 460. The 351m is all alone in it's class and has very little uncommon....
385 series engines use a D3ly number for mounts into Torinoes 1972 - 1979. Flat tappet cams don't go flat if you groove the bottom of lifter bores with Comp Cams tool.
I have a few problems with this video. First one is the 351w is actually the best bang for the buck engine. They were available until the mid 90s in trucks. So finding one isn’t hard or expensive. Everything from the 302 will bolt except the intake manifold. You do need one specific to the 351w since it’s the same thing only has a taller deck height. Secondly No you do not need to upgrade to a 9 inch rear end. The 8.8 inch rear can handle well over 700hp when properly upgraded. Gear ratios ranging from 2.95- 4.30.
Luis, I can see your points, but the ONLY thing I knocked the Windsor out for is EASY chassis fitment and the fact that the mid 90's truck Windsors are harder to find than the 302 which are in a brazilion Fords from passenger cars to trucks to Explores As for the 8.8 it isn't a bolt in proposition due to the offset axles. And the nine can be.
@@BuzzLOLOL yea most stock heads but a set of junk yard GT40 or GT40p heads from an Explorer with an E or F cam can produce a decent amount of power for a very low buck. If you’re looking to have more power than 350hp and similar torque than the only answer is more inches in form of a stroker 351w with decent compression and a matching high flow head with a large enough cam to move all that air.
@@luisbravo6345 - Can go Ford 400 which is a stroked 351C and all had big 2.04"/1.66" valves, bigger than any SBC ever came with, just needs tmi pistons and mild cam, 4 bbl. carb. for cheap good HP/torque...
I agree, and you can bore your 390 .030 over add a stroker kit for a 445. 585 hp and 550 ft lbs was what Power Nation that has Pat Topolinsky on it. He built it. You can even just do a 1 cube per ci 416 with 410 Mercury crank that built right with stock and a few aftermarket pieces 500 ft lbs and 450 hp doing it yourself all the cleaning and stuff and assembly ,it’s no more expensive than dropping a 302 at a shop and having them do the whole thing for 325 hp. The beauty is the memory of busted knuckles and smelling like parts cleaner and being able to say, yeah I built it!
Even my .020 over 390 I built back in 1999 hit the dyno at 450 hp// 450 ft lbs and I have beat the tar out of it. A 416 with a stock rebuild a moderate CJ cam and intake can do 416 hp and463 ft lbs.
I have a 68 Ford with a factory 428 PI and another 68 Ford with a factory 302 made on their first day back to work after the Christmas break! I wanted to do something mild with this 302 so I can’t wait to see what you come up with Jeff and enjoy your videos!!! 👍🏻
97 Explorer 5.0 V8 is a roller block with good heads. If you hustle, you can get a thick-wall 85 5.0 PI block and put cheap Cleveland heads with cheap 460 2v intake valves,and a zoomy Edelbrock intake for a Boss 302. Bore and stroke to over 5.8 liters. Or just get a 95 5.8 roller block and make a cheap Clevor roller engine. Good video. Thanks.
so I got a 73 Torino that I've been meaning to throw a fuel-injected engine in I've been looking at everything from a ranger to an F-150 any recommendations if it could be somewhat gas efficient that would be a plus
I agree on one thing, a 347 stroker cost almost exactly the same as a 427 stroker Windsor, but why in the world would anyone want the 347 instead? Can’t compete with the 427 at all
great videos and informative..I currently have a 67 mustang,it came with a 6 banger,want to v8 it,having a hard time finding a rebuildable 289 or 302 core.
I’m a long time FE user, and it is getting harder to find cores. Thin wall means anything .30 over is going to overheat. The flagship motor of Ford from 1958-1968. It’s hard to find performance parts that aren’t sky high.
You can get new blocks from BBM(Bear Block motors). They have a hard time keeping up with demand though. There are several threads on Jay Browns site FE Power about them. They are a lot cheaper than Shelby blocks or pond blocks. They also have aluminum. Can’t remember the most recent cost though. Stupid pandemic has everything messed up!
FE continue well past 1968(yeah I know Ford introduced the 385 in '68, no Hi-Po versions till '70). The Cobra Jet 428 was introduced in '68 & continued through '70. 390 installed LTDs into mid year '71(dropped for 400). F-Series used FE 360/390 through the 1976 model year.
@@tombryant1104 yes I know. But FE was fords main engine big block until the 429/460. Ford used the FE 360 & 390 in a lot of trucks some cars well into the 70’s.
So I'm already in the 302 game... for me every hundred horse power is about $1000, my number 2 would be a 351w thats the next step in the budget option in my opinion. My not so budget option is 351m or 400m. We can now get forged pistons for them. The motors themselves are cheap. You will have to make engine mounts because they were trucks only.... and they take Cleveland heads. It is the "budget Cleveland" (note requires some fabrication)
Just got my 428cj back after a year rebuild and failed lifters. Stayed with stock heads and manifold but had to get roller cam and lifters. 0.040 oversized. Puts out 430 HP and 500Lb ft atleast $10k
I knew Victoria Secret story was about to go bad. Nice save. Had slightly massaged 302 in my 71 grabber maverick. Faster with the auto but couldn't get away from the fun of a top loader.
We'll be hitting that on Autorestomod this next week. We're doing a deep dive on five builds 302, 351W and 390FE. And will discuss this. It was 300 at the crank. parasitic can vary greatly between parts a C6 is a HP hog, while the C4 isn't as bad, and a four speed sucks out the least. Then there is the rear axle.
TAKE NOTE YALL - 1998-2001 Explorer 5 liter roller motor, aluminum intake, 1406 edelbrock carb, 1989 AOD trans no electronics and a 3.5:1 gear is the holy grail for any 3000lb classic. It fits, runs smooth, reliable, good gas mileage, sounds great and will haul ass. Dun been there and have had it with $385s, $351Cs and Ms and $$$FEs. FEs are cool though and sound the best. Your welcome.
F4TE 351w roller engine is the best option (it is the most “modern” ford small block and biggest cubic inch small block). That’s what I am putting in my 63.5 Falcon.
I have always enjoyed driving the 335 and 385 engines . Horse power for the dollar though, a small block would be best . If i could choose, then it would be a big FE
The 302 is the way to go for a budget build. I am doing a 347 boss a 302 boss stoked out to 347 its not a budget build. But it's lite and powerful motor.
Going with the 260ho that came with my merc. It had factory dated bearing when I pulled them. Not trying to set the world on fire with this. Suggestions on cam?? Keeping most of the engine stock except cam, intake and carb. Intake is older dual plane weind and carb is vac secondary Holley 4bbl, 600 cfm of my memory hasn’t totally failed me. Oh and it has a c4.
Comp Cams 252H or 260H... Anything bigger in that will dry up any Torque that little Guy might have had. Those little Small Blocks can make fine Street Engines too. Just don't ask them to breathe too deeply - unless you want to run a 5-Speed and 4.10 or taller Gears. Either of the Cams I suggested should give you great Driveability and good, smooth power!
@@CarminesRCTipsandTricks I have the 260H in my 289. Engine is nothing special with stock heads, roller tip rockers, tri Y;s, Holley 600. Has real nice mid range.
@@Deucealive75 It is a great choice for 289/302... Which is why I would lean more towards the 252H for a 260. With an Auto and stock Gears anyway. I've been doing this for a long time. I've seen too many People OVER Cam their Engines - and wondering why they LOST most of their Torque under 2500-2800 RPM!!! These are the same People who also put 750 Double Pumpers on a stock Small Block, and then complain about BOGGING if they give more than 1/4 Throttle!! 😖 SMH
@@CarminesRCTipsandTricks The mistake I made with mine was that I used the Edelbrock Torquer 2 which is a single plane. I used it because I got it dirt cheap when I built the engine back in 1986. Still happy with it. I run with a top loader and 350/1 gearing.
@@Deucealive75 It's only a minor mistake... Because you have a 4-Speed. So you can launch it IN the Power Band. Unlike if you had a C4/6 with a stock Converter.... Then you'd bog pretty badly. The 600 you're running is just about right - if it's Vacuum Secondaries.
@@AutoRestoMod I think I already got most of it figured out! One question I haven’t answered though is will a 73-79 460 bel housing bolt into my stock (64 Ford F-250) bel housing cross member? The 4spd manual transmission attaches to the frame on the front only and I definitely want to retain the traditional transmission. I love manual transmissions but hate the newer multi gear trash. I understand that a race car needs 2 intermediate gears but it’s a waste on a street car.
Im assuming by saying 302 you are also including the 289 since its basically the same motor just with a different stroke. A 289 can be made into a great cruising motor with pretty respectable power and is the base V8 for a lot of the classics.
I'm a long time fan of the nearly unbreakable 390/428. Can't afford the 427 critters but they earned their accolades in the 60's. I've had 2 of the 351c 2v engines and they're great street engines. 251w engines are all over, but you gotta make people wise to.the crap the government is pushing to take used vehicles and parts out of circulation to push the EV agenda. I built a 1991 251w +.030 , a little extra cam over stock HO cam for that year and somehow lost my emissions in iowa, so I got a nice dual plane intake and 750cfm combo from edelbrock, I believe the cam was a crower, and it had tri Y afterburner headers on it when it rolled in. Believe it or not the thing got more mileage out of a tank.of gas after 300.miles than it was said to have new. The cr was 9.32 or 9.35:1. It's been 25 years. The axle gears stayed the same and the AODE was untouched other than.filter and fluid change. I borrowed it a few times when moving and when my soft top jeep couldn't warm the engine firing a cold snap. Even with 4x4 and extended cab it had lots of enthusiasm under the right pedal. Where before the thought was ti find better gears after thenrevmbuild, we all thought it was fine after. In fact the ratio was 3.25 but all that got changed out was the open dif for a Detroit unit. This truck went hunting a lot and fishing. If it had been a swb pickuo.it may have been ok.as a 2wd but that long wheelbase made the don't get pushed and taught the younger ones about approach and departure angles running stock size bfg all terrain tires. It had better heat and better rain resistance than.mynlittle cj7, but it wasn't nimble like the jeep off road. Sometimes i wish i had the space to park it at my place. I'd have kept it for towing and those mornings my nipples were able to cut diamonds
After 56 years building Ford engines ,I agree with this guy all the way. However the 351 Wi dsor holds the Nascar speed record. It is a deprndsble hard running durable engine. So much so GM copied it right down to the cylinder numbering and firing order. And I've used flat tappet cams in 460s for over 40 years and never had a problem one time.
I'm an FE fan but I agree it doesn't belong in the budget category. I turned a 352 into a 445. I just had to do it once. I also went with the tko600 from modern driveline, so I've got over $10k in the driveline. But there was no way I was going to be satisfied with a 302 in my 65 f250.
I have a 78 F-150 with 460 1990 F250 plow truck with EFI 460 68 lincoln continental with 460 and a 75 Gran Torino with 351W Love both engines ,And I agree Ford Engine in a Ford. My 78 460 has DOVE heads Flat tappet cam At least 200,000 miles on never had flat cam
It is an issue. Not ever engine does it. I have built three Clevelands and had no issues. I have a friend who has built a couple and had one flat spot a cam. It has to do with the way the valve train is set up. Not a never and always, just a be advised.
@@AutoRestoMod Back in the late 80 early 90 I was the engine builder at a machine shop up in Alaska. I have built hundreds of engines from the boring to the assembly. Ford Chevy Dodge and foreign cars. The Chevy 350 was by far the engine that would have a flat cam. I built my 460 back in 1989 and it is still going strong. Of course now days engine oil is lacking the zinc additive. If I do another 460 build I will go with a roller setup. And for the last 27 years I work as a Service Manager at A Polaris Dealership Up here in AK. So I have been out the engine building for awhile. Keep up the good work. Love your Video's.
I know this is an old vid, but........my favorite "budget" ford motor is a 335 series 400. Yes the ol boat anchor. You get BB cubes, it's 100lbs lighter than a 460, and all the good 351 Cleveland top end parts work even better on a 400. 500hp and 500ft lbs of torque is pretty easy to get out of a 400.
I know its all the same but not a word on the 351 M, yeah its mostly just a windsor with 400 heads but kinda cool, if you are in to that. Ima fe fan myself got 3 390s just sitting around collecting dust,
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FE or bust.
Loveum.
Always a comedian on these sites!
I have loved the FE since my first car, a 1968 Galaxie 500 with a 390. When I junked it, I put the engine and transmission in a different '68 Galaxie with a freeze-busted 390 which had more goodies, like air conditioning and power front disc brakes. Both had automatic transmissions, neither had a C6.
Yup
Always an FE, everything is really easy and long lived!
I actually love the 289 and 302 small blocks. I have owned everything from a 300 ci 6 (actually 2), 250 i6, 302, 351 C, 390 and 429. Loved all of them, but the small blocks are strong, reliable engines, out of the box, and with littke more than a few bolt-ons, the HP can best 300 HP. And with a little more money on heads, valve train, induction and exhaust, can push 375 + HP, and these little blocks will handle it.
Thank goodness for some Ford engine content on You Tube! I've been running a 302 w/ 289 4bbl heads in my 41 Willys coupe for the last 30 yrs and has never missed a beat! No regrets!
Never saw 289 4 barrel heads. Some 302 heads say 4v. But never seen that on a 289
@@cammontreuil7509 Cam: I have a friend who was a machinist and loves Ford's (has two Boss 302s) and he machined up a set for me and we put them on my 302. My buddy had a 36 Ford Pickup with a 302 in it and my same friend did a set of 69 351W 4bbl heads for him. Wish I had those!
@@glennnickerson8438 cool. Ford's rock and rule.
But I've never seen a set of marked 289 4 v heads.
Cleveland heads can be marked by a 4. 68 and 69 302 can be marked 4 v. I have a 351w intake marked 4 v, but never seen a 289 4 v.
Early 289 heads are marked 289. But never seen 4 v on them.
@@cammontreuil7509 I might be wrong (usually am), my friend who did them said they were 4bbl heads off a 289. I know they have small chambers and the valves are close together. I'm an old dubba so I don't need to go too fast, but that small block fires right off and purrrs like kitten! Plus everyone runs a Chevy and I like my distributor up front!
The 210and 225 hp were regular Mustangs with 4 V. The 210 was a D code and the 225 was the A code 289 the 271 hp was the R if I remember correctly. I don’t think that the marked the casting it was on the vin and a matter of valvetrain parts they had, either pressed in or screw in studs, one piece retainers and valves.
great video, I really don't like all the boys that " lets drop in an LS", I have always believed in a Ford in a Ford even during the Y Block days. I also think the 302 is the best small block choice and the 385 series for the big block because of block and parts availability. The 429 showed up in the 1968 T-Bird and ran till 1976 in the pickup, 460started in 1972 T-Bird and ran till 1997 pickup. The 429 was offered in the F100 for 2 years, not sure which mid 70's. But I still like the FE for '58 thru '68 builds Love the Cleveland, but block and parts availability are a Problem. Really like your videos and the information you put out, keep it up.
Thanks. I agree, I hate it when I see a cool rod and no flat head in it.
Junkyard Explorer 302 is a no brainer for a cruiser. Can cosmetically be set to look like always belonged there.
For true!
Agree. If you can afford new heads I'd always go 351...If not gt40 longblock 100%.
@@falconater68 I put a set of Roush 200s on a 4 inch stroke 351W and that was a proper 4.03 bore 4 inch stroker I forgot which one but I think it was a Scat with 6.25 rods and short CH pistons with metric rings that were going to put in my father in laws 35 Ford pickup. After I had him have it dynoed he decided it might not be a good match. 😂. 470 ft lbs and 445 hp flat from 1800-5800, he sold the whole shebang on the way. I had him stop at Semo Mustang and they asked him what he wanted for it. Sneathen gave him $5500 he took one look at the dyno sheet from his brothers dyno. 400 cubes of innocent looking Windsor. A set of JBAs that he brought home with him. He decided on the 302 instead. He never got the 302 running before he passed on.
I really miss being able to see well enough to build another FE. I have wanted to build a 4.16 bore with a 4.25 stroke 462 ci FE with a set of Trick Flow heads and a Tunnel Wedge 2x4 intake manifold or even a single 4V Track Boss. I have two great roller cams all the valvetrain stuff. My son is working 2 jobs and he isn’t interested in it at all, I don’t blame him, what do I need a 700 hp 600 ft lb 65 Galaxie 2 dr ht for? With fill up to the core plugs and an oil cooler with reverse cooling with a Mezierre water pump on the fender well to each head and the regular one circulating the block through the radiator and piped to the electric AN lines to the heads, and a good oil cooler with Accusump.
I have a pearsonal love for a 351W. I think I would have to go the 351 route. Like you said. There are small fitment issues to overcome. But I imagine it cant be as big of issues as trying to mount up a big block. Love hearing other guys opinions on ford motors. Or just talking engines in general. I'll definitely subscribe. Looking foward to seeing more videos like this!
We have another one in the works for Autorestomod. More detailed build ideas.
I agree, 302 is the best engine for the buck (for a FORD). Also the lightest old school V8 of all the makes.
Yep.
The 351w would be my choice. It will do almost anything you'd wanna do, and they're as plentiful as the 302, including factory roller engines. It will essentially fit in every chassis that the 302 will, though in some applications, you'd have to source mounts and headers the just as you would for a big block in some other cars. While only marginally more expensive to build, all the parts you need/want for a 302 build are readily available for a 351W. Headers, manifolds, heads, accessory brackets, oil pans, etc., it's all available. Even stroker kits for the 351w cost about the same as 302 kits, and the machining is essentially the same, but in the end you'll have 50-75 cubes more displacement. That means big block power in a small block package. It means the ability to handle turbos without worrying about block splitting. It means you can build a milder combo and get the same power, but better drivability and durability. The only exception I'd make to the 351w suggestion is if you're intending to build a high rev'ing NA engine. Then yeah, 302. Or maybe there's a destroked 351w kit out there? Gotta ask the googles that one.
The 351W does have some slight fitment issues in the pre-1969 chassis, due to deck height. Stock driver's side exhaust manifold may rest on the stock steering box. I know one guy who has one in a '66 Fairlane and bought headers that the manufacturer said would fit, but don't.
@@et76039 Indeed, there are some issues that will need to be resolved with some applications, again, no different than mounting a 385 series big block in others. There are mounts designed to offer adjustability (including lowering the mounting of the engine), and yes, finding the right exhaust manifolds or headers in those applications may be challenging. But I'm reminded of how it was commonly recommended and common practice to dent headers to fit in some applications. And really, if a 302 based engine is the better fit for whatever reason (convenience or fit or cost or availability or whatever), sure, do that.
I agree, but it is a bit more than a 302 on build up.
@@et76039 Back in late '70s I installed a '69 Torino 351W in a '67 Falcon. Was a bolt together . Under hood dimensions of '66/'67/'68 Fairlane & Falcon are identical to '69. The '70/'71 are slightly wider.
@@tombryant1104, did you use headers, or stock exhaust manifolds? Some of us would like to know your method.
I can agree with the FE being expensive. I've got a '64 Thunderbird with a fresh short block sitting on the stand that has the Edlebrock Top End Kit. I had purchased a 428 short block that ended up having a cracked #2 journal. So, I went back to my OG block and put the 428 internals in it. So, I got the old Mercury 410 with all the Edel goodies. Hoping to get it fired up either the end of this year or the next.
Very nice!
What about an E300? Came stock with a 302. Is there a good Torque build for a 302 motor for 1 ton van?
I dnt hav a Ford, but, I enjoy listening to you. I learn a lot. Thank you
I appreciate that!
351 winsor for starting in the Canadian winter (trust me I know)
460 for towing and Hauling especially with OBS F-450 axle codes 72 & 73
And for Fuel economy... 7.3 Idi or 300 inline 6... or anything Chevy over its ford equivalent.
Hey man great video! You mentioned you have a '69 Ford Fairlane wagon? That's awesome! I inherited a 1969 Ford Fairlane with a 302 and a 3 speed manual Hurst on the floor. If possible I have some technical and potential upgrade questions about it because I want to upgrade the motor to be a sleeper type car that's still numbers matching with the OG engine and I'm not sure if I want to keep the original tranny just because it's numbers matching or swap it for something better. Some advice would be greatly appreciated. Thank you and have a great day broski
351s perfect balance for budget and speed for the small block IMO . Big block 390 is always under appreciated
Agreed!
@@AutoRestoMod your awesome keep up the good work
I got a 351 waiting for the stimulus check to come in so i can buy a top end kit and do my own version of a lightning clone with my 94 obs... i just havent figured out what color lightning i wanna do
@@TheFARM2019 I’m working on restoring a numbers matching 77 firebird formula
What killed the FE was the heads. And the rockers and shafts were junk. Better stuff today.
I just ordered a Blueprint 302 cruiser series yesterday. 361 hp (or a little more), roller cam, aluminum heads. Under 6 grand shipped and tax included for a long block, with oil and a filter. Tough to beat that price, even at a local builder, and probably not a 6-9 month wait. I have everything I need pretty much, to unbolt and bolt it all back together. I have to get another balancer and flexplate, since the balance is different than my current engine.
Straight to the point! ❤
I have a soft spot for the 351C, but realize that in the earlier cars they’re also a tight fit. They are also not as easy to find as they used to be, even the 2V. Bigger, heavier car would at least warrant a 351W (with good heads,cam, intake, etc) for the torque to move it around, even if the car’s not going to be burning up any tracks or back streets. Your 460 advise is sound.
Thank you so much for all this valuable content! I'm building a 69 Torino GT. 351w m-code. Using a mild DOVE-C 460. EFI and AOD all in the works.
I've had my 64 Comet for 47 years this year. 289 4 speed, ok, 351C 4speed hard on the drivers licence, and now a stock Supercharged 3.8 V6
from a 89 XR7 Cougar,, the sweet spot.
Fred
That sounds cool Fred!
Love my FE 390
Love mine too.
8 months ago I bought 2 1968 mustangs for 3500 both sat in a barn since 1995 one had the 302 and c4 in it the other had the 289 in pieces and now the one with the 302 is my daily driver. I swapped out the motor for a 93 302 out of an F150 because the original had a stuck valve and bent the push rod.
Cool! Glad you got it running.
Love FE and FE strokers. Next os the 351 Windsor and Windsor strokers.
351 Windsor , edelbrock top end kit kicks 460 hp and 435 torque -“
True!
@@AutoRestoMod lol
What cam?
We put a 351 Windsor in our AC Cobra thath holds the track record at Road Atlana. So for handling vs drag racing, the 351 W can't be beat.
Pop a small block Chevy into it! Most stock SBF heads struggle to reach 250 HP...
The older goes says using 289 hp heads on a 302 motor has more torque??? Is that true?
I put a boss 351 cleveland bumped up to a 408 striker full roller engen in my 67 fairlane 2d.ht. really quick and fast love it
I got a 1976 Ford F-350 dump truck with a 360 two barrel long tube headers and chrome valve covers but surprisingly I get good gas mileage with it even when I give the old girl hell and don't but a great running engine
The 360 can get decent mileage.
361 ?
D20E-AB heads.
Lots of 351Ws in trucks up to '97, they are a great balance between the 302 and big block. You can build one just as cheap as a 302.
Good point. The 302 is only better because it is a direct fit on so many cars.
I had a maverick with the 302. Was a very snappy car. I paid 200 dollars for it. To this day it was the best used car I have ever owned.
I had a '72 Comet I wish I hadn't had to get rid of.
We put a 302 in a Pinto. It was borderline dangerous but fun.
Funny that you say a 302 is more affordable than the 351W. I've been shopping for long tube F series/Bronco headers and the 351W is walking the dog and dragging the puppies on the 302 in selection. I have yet to find a set of 302 equal length headers for this application.
I will admit I'm new to the Ford scene and the small, medium, medium large and large block thing is a challenge to say the least.
what is the Best Resource to educate ones self on 460 build options. Putting one in a 79 f250 build - Cheers
Once I put a stock 390 in my ‘68 Mustang. It was a pain, I could barely change the spark plugs. Made the car handle a lot worse as well. Had decent power though, the torque was awesome. Eventually I put in a 302 with edelbrock top end kit (370 hp version). The car isn’t a speed demon, but fun to cruise around town. One day I’ll put a 347 in, but I’m happy for now.
A 347 is in our future here.
I am building a 462 ci FE from a Dump Truck block factory made with a Stroker kit and aluminum heads and a 2x4 V intake. Shooting for 750 hp N/A. You should shoot for one like Power Nation did, the got 585 hp from a 445.
Surely you had sense enough to ditch the 90 lb intake manifold for a 20 lb one? The FE weighs the same as a stock 351W , I have weighed them. Put a set of headers and a cam like you would have to do with a 351. I had a Fastback Mustang and I would fly around corners with that torque. I can’t believe that the magazine hacks have done this they compared a 428 build with just an Edelbrocks heads and top end kit and a 351 W 427 and the FE stomped it. All kinds of excuses. But a mild 428 beat their roller cam W.
@@fenatic7484 yep, one of the first things I did was get that iron boat anchor off and installed an aluminum intake. I was going to put a set of aluminum heads on the 390, but one head cost as much as a complete set for the 302. Another reason I took it out. FE pats aren’t cheap.
I attended a little car show a couple of weekends ago. There was a 68 Bullet tribute Mustang with what was allegedly a 390 (sticker said so anyway). Had aluminum heads and intake and headers. Head to shock tower clearance was still horrendously tight.
I like 'at 400, a tall-deck Cleveland and even 2V heads are good breathers, plus inherent torque for not too much.
I still love the Cleveland engine
I have a 351 cleveland. I'm putting it in my 76 f100. I'm only putting headers and edelbrock performer intake on it. It's a completely stock engine.. any tips ?
Well my budget FE has been outstanding, tons of available parts, east to wrench, and it gives me that constant leak indicator that everything is working great ;)
Mine as a fun "Hill Climb" indicator that gives me a whiff of oil smell when the valve covers reach a certain angle.
@@AutoRestoMod both great underrated features!
FEs really aren’t that expensive until you start trying to make a lot of power. The idea that they’re not affordable is BS
Wrong on the FE. I did a 394 ci that is.020 over 390 with 352/390 heads that I carefully ported myself and put 2.055/1.585 valves in with TRW forged pistons and ARP rod bolts. I put a swap meet Holley Street Dominatot that I matched to the heads a 750 3310 Holley and Crites headers in a 1965 Galaxie. I assembled it myself. I have a Comp Cams solid flat tappet cam. On the dyno it did 496 hp and 463 ft lbs. Streetable 10.25::1 cr. I built it in 2000 and have run the living dog out of it and it keeps on ticking away, and with 4.33 gears it is a real handful. No oil consumption yet and with the locker I bought used it will burn both tires in all 3 ranges . The C6 is tough as nails and surprise with iron heads and aluminum intake it weighs 538 lbs , the same as a SBC or a 351 W. It has been an excellent value, 21 years of beating on the thing and it has never broken 😎. Need I say more?
@@Terminxman fe's cost alot of money to fix the heads.
I agree, a 460 with a set of worked D0VE heads is the most bang for your buck of any Ford. I swapped one into my 68' Torino and it's a monster! Plus, the 385's are a stronger platform than a BBC, and... the BBF parts cost about the same. Does anyone know why FE parts are so damn expensive? I can build almost two BBF's for the cost of one FE.
Ya it seems odd since th fe was fords big race winner in the 60's & early 70's not to mention cobra kits still use it
It takes a specialist to carve a stone ax? I KID!
@@Rendezvous70 But the racing FEs (427's) were side oilers. They're impossible to find because the racers eventually blew them all up. The funny thing is that skirted blocks were considered old technology for years, which they were, but now the modern engines like the LS and Godzilla use skirted blocks because they're better. The Ford's Achilles heel has ALWAYS been it's exhaust port design which was compromised to fit in shock tower bodies. The odd thing too is it's easier to replace plugs and headers on a 385 series than an FE in a Mustang or Fairlane. I know guys who would rather sell their FE powered Mustangs than do a compression test.
There are still really good FEs out there, but they are pricey unless you are buddies with the builder. A lot of it is bullshit. People expect them to be expensive, so the builders oblige. I can put a 500 hp 500 ft lb FE together cheap. Aholes recover 5 yrs overhead on one build.
I would go for the D3TE heads with big chambers and flat top pistons with the single eyebrow. The 68-71 heads detonate, 72 s are the worst. Any head after 73 when they increased the deck height are better. The deck was raised to 10.320, and the single eyebrow forged pistons come up to 0 deck with the 466, that’s a .030 over 460. Aluminum heads take a lot of weight off but will still be 100 more than the FE, it weighs about the same as a 351W after chucking the iron intake manifold for aluminum.
I heard the rumor that the 302 can fit in a 240 Z better than a useless chevy.
Idk. My 6.2 useless Chevy motor fits like a glove in my 280z
Possibly. The 221-302 fords are narrower than a SBC. More clearance for headers, steering shafts, brake booster, etc. Potential issue is location of the oil pump, the SBF in the front vs the SBC's rear. Potential interference with the crossmember/steering rack has to be taken into account. The SBF has an advantage in the transmission department due to the cheap availability of Mustang II V8 parts. MII's used a smaller 148 tooth flywheel/flex plate in both auto and manual config. The MII bellhousing for the C4 is considerably smaller than anything available for the SBC. MII's also used a unique oil pan. The pan is nice if you absolutely need clearance but windage could be a potential issue.
@@Zach-k2p you mean like oj's glove
An Excellent reason to look at a 240Z!
@@AutoRestoMod Make a swap roller 302 into a 240 60 80 or or a 70’s 510 wagon.
The 302/5.0 has the most after market support
FE engines are much cheaper to build today compared to 10 years ago. And lots of performance can be had with mostly factory FE stuff and just a few aftermarket parts.
Agreed
You speak the truth Kemohsahbee!
HO 5.0 engines from the 87-93 Lincoln
Mark VII’s make awesome power for classic cars. They are Gt motors that weren’t thrashed like the ones in the mustang foxbodys were.
Agreed but they are tougher to find.
385 series for me . In fact my profile picture is one of my mud trucks mild built 460 . so glad to see marcs truck on the cover of your truck Catalog!
Marc's truck is awesome and I am enjoying his new build too, but the catalog is for our sponsor https//:www.autokrafters.com
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Jeff...... I agree with about 90% of your views on this. The 302 IS the easiest Engine to build, from mild to wild!!
Big Blocks are FUN! 😁 But can get expensive as quickly as they run. Not to mention the dismal Fuel Economy!!
But my first choice for what I'd want to drive (midsize or Pony), is the 351 Windsor. Sure it costs a little more than any 302...
But in the case of the Mustang, a number of Companies make Headers (Shorty and Long Tube), Mounts, all Accessory Brackets, and a choice of Intake Manifolds.
You'll get MORE TORQUE than a 350 Chevy (insert butthurt Chevy Fanboys now!!). 86 and up Blocks are Roller ready, and the sweet GT40 Heads top it all off nicely!! 😊👍👍
It's NOT a screamer. Just know that. But the long Stroke and Long Rods, make it an extremely durable and Long lasting Street Engine!
YES, 347 Kits are plentiful and make good Power easily. BUT, the Piston Pins run INTO the Ring Lands, and they have almost no Piston Skirts...
That makes them more prone to Piston Slap, earlier, than any other Ford Engine.
But if it's a Weekend Warrior and you don't EXPECT it to last long, then the 347 is a great SMALL potent package, that fits in ANYTHING that a 289/302 fits.
When I used to build Engines, I found that the best combination was a .040" over 302 Block, with a Custom Ground 3.25" Stroke Crank...
Makes a dead reliable 331 without the issues that can't be engineered out of the 347.
It's that "Magic" combination, like dare I say - the 327 Chevy!!
Custom Grind Cranks ARE expensive. I'm just a little surprised that the 331 never caught on. It really is a solid Motor! 😊
Carmine ✈🚂🚙
Good point!
Carmine, the 351W was a true smogger. The heads that they had from the get go were barely able to get a 289 enthused. There are better heads now. The magazine guys have tried for a few decades to bury the FE. Lol. 😂 but the truth is the truth, but you have new components now and as soon as they bury the FE, the price will go up on W stuff to get everyone on the FI 4 valve stuff. Welcome to Ford Politics! Sadly they unlike GM eat their own. They ruled everything with the FE, nothing sold on the street you have had to be a devoted Ford guy. You can build a Ford FE stroker or a W stroker… do you see a pattern here? A 385, you need to get Kaase stuff, Ford attempts have been surprisingly lame on the 385, and to get good stuff it aftermarket… I m not falling for it. If I have to spend money to build a 463 FE to make 700 hp, I’m still using a Dump Truck block and a roller valvetrain I’ve had for 15 years. I’m ahead that far in the game.
@@fenatic7484 Absolutely correct. I can tell by that name, that you're a FE kind of guy!! Great, STRONG Engines, IF you know what you're doing. Over 80% of the FE Engines that went through our Shop, had Head Planing done WITHOUT Manifold matching. As you probably know with that design, that's a recipe for sucking Oil in from BOTH the Valley AND the Valve Cover areas!!
I was a Ford Line Tech.... VERY well acquainted with Ford Politics.
Like I said, GT40 or similar PORTED Heads can make a 351W actually work.... as long as you don't need or want power above 5500RPM. It's a STREET Engine, and a pretty good one.
Now, one of the favorite cars I've owned, was a 71 Torino - that I shoved a 428 in. It was a Dream!
.... But later, I tried CRAMMING a 390 into a Foxbody..... that was a Nightmare!!
Sometimes it's about packaging. 😉
.... the big Dump Truck FE Block idea does sound intriguing 🤔
The 385 is a smog pig. The FE was a real revving engine and just put a cam in it and make sure it’s a car engine, the truck engine had the pistons at zero deck.,you will love it!
Not 68-71.
Uhh, my 71 N code 429 pulled hard to 6200 stone stock. It made power like a 440 Magnum Mopar, so it was no pig. My 71 Ford Custom 4 Dr sedan put a hurt on a LOT of Camaros Trans Ams Chevelles Novas back in the late 70s early 80s. It would run the 140 certified speedo out of the numbers at will.
@@davidkeeton6716 I like the 429, but they are so heavy. The short stroke helped, but robbed it of torque. The carb they put on them, the 4350 had to be replaced with a 750 Holley. And the tiny cam made them run so hot that they cracked exhaust manifolds. I have built some 385s and they can make some power, but stock they were soggy with the cam 12 degrees retarded. The Police Interceptor like yours at least had a smog waiver and they had good heads, but the exhaust ports were a cork. I still like the 65-70 4V FE and especially the Mercury Marauder 410. They were the best stock design Ford made.
A buddy of mine is pulling the 302 out of his 1969 Torino fastback and dropping a 429 out of a 1970 Ford LTD, with huge port Police cast iron exhaust manifold. He did this exact swap back in the day and said it was scary fast.
I myself am delving into an engine I have no experience with but I find fascinating. The Ford 312 Y block.
The Y...that is an underloved Ford engine!
Had last Y block in 1967, switched to FE & haven't looked back.
Ted Eaton and John Mummert have everything you need for a Y- block!
Really enjoyed video learned much bout the 302 mostly worked with 289' n 429' in t birds n stands friends had 302s in mercs glad we subscribed to your channel👍later Rev
Very cool!
I'm thinkin about buying a 63 ford falcon futura, its got everything stock with the 3 speed manual, but I'm not sure less than 200cu is gonna be enough power. What do you think? could it be tuned, or should I toss it and get something else? I'm also wanting to daily it, so mpg is a concern. Thanks for the tips!
If it's in good running condition it'll have more snort than you think
The big windsors are just smile makers, Torque everywhere
I have really enjoyed your videos! I have a 1996 e150 club wagon, that runs great! Can I use it as a doner viehicle, running gears. And tires / brakes and wheels for my 1964 Ford Falcon? Any insite is appreciated1
clevelands are my favorite but the 460s are hard to beat
Oh I love a nice 460. I've just never been able to play with one of them.
So much support for that 8" now! All the drift bois found out you can get them for $200 in most junkyards 👍👍👍🍻
Finding the traction loc ones is tough though.
@@AutoRestoMod just weld them up AKA lincoln locker...
I agree with you regarding a 302. Go for the T10 transmission!!!
Interesting, I prefer the Ford top loader.
Or the new TREMEC TKX.
Less than 300lbft of torque, a T5 is a good choice. Can still be found used for less than $700. The new TKX looks awesome but $
460 for sure.
Leaning that way on the F100 right now...
@@AutoRestoMod I have a 514 made from a d1ve 460 block
@@AutoRestoMod I have 79 f100 short bed, 302 bells and whistles, but I am going for the 460, there is no replacement for displacement..
Hi, I am swapping an engine on a 1964 Ranchero. Not intending to race. Contemplating on placing an Holley Sniper EFI with Hyperspark and AOD. I am looking for a 302 which doesn't seem as easy to find as it used to be. Recommendations? Year? 79-85? Or should I use the earlier version?
You will want 1965 engine mounts as they are like the later ones. I'd try for a roller 5.0HO (84-94).
@@AutoRestoMod I'm still struggling with my project. Every year I say I'll have it running in the 4th of July parade. Quick follow up: what is the difference on the engine mounts for the Falcon '64 V-8 vs the 1965? Thanks again. I thought this should be fun, lol.
I liked your video. It was a fun lil bit. My first impulse is to argue with you alittle bit about the FE engines but I guess your probably right. I have to stop & think about my situation probably isn't the normal for the rest of the world. I live next to Rons auto salvage & he is a old time junk yard that has dozens of 60's 390's out there. Ive been building old ford trucks since I was 15. If you need a quick powerful engine for not alot $ go throw Ron a couple hundred then give a 9 or 9.5 to 1 390 a freshen up with a cam & then go kick some 460 butt out 4 wheeling. But I forget, my life ain't the norm.
Since April '69 I've owned at least one FE, no I ain't normal either.
I Love FE engines. But they are probably the most expensive to build for performance.
A 390FE for me. I had one in my 52 Ford F1 pickup with a 4 speed top loader for 22 years.
Very nice!
My dad had a 52 1 ton flatbed with duals and it had a Mercury V8 in it, I think it was a 317? I used to go and “help” cut wood.
I bet that is one fine F1! The 390 and a top loader are really a great combination! The GT and GTAs were so crippled with a horrible tune and the exhaust manifolds are what gave the FE a bad name for exhaust. Put a set of headers on one and get the distributor set up and hang on!
I got into FEs and never looked back!
@@fenatic7484my dad had a 52 ford f6 with a Mormon Harrington 4x4 conversion and he had stuck a 317 Lincoln engine in it those were Y block motors he wore it out and found a little newer one out of a 57 Lincoln and it was 368 cubic inch engine I have got a hold of a 73 f 250 4x4 and had no engine and I am wanting to get an build a 390 fe engine
Just put a gt40p from a 99 Explorer with new eagle 347 kit, Anderson N-21 cam on 1.72 rockers into my 62 Falcon and it was a mother! It fought me every step of the way. 60-62 didn't come with factory v8's so there is not a factory motor mount setup that works with headers. Must use after market conversion mounts to the tune of almost $400. Beautiful car, for sale Tennessee Orange, 347 stroker, Tci c4 with 3600 stall, car has narrowed 9" with 5:13 gears, ladder bars, cage, kirky seats the 5-point harness,100hp nos wet shot. Turn key ready to go.
Sounds nice!
I have a modified 289 with 351 ported heads with some valve magic done to it, love my little ford small block. Especially after the roller cam conversion.
Roller cams are the bomb! I really love them, but they are quite expensive. The 351 heads are great as long as you can set them up with good compression from your pistons.
What gear did you use on the distributor ? Small base circle cam ?
@Jesse Stock gear on the distributor. Very minor lift improvement but I believe base circle is stock also, not sure on some of the cam details as my friend Kerry did the conversion for me. He recorded the entire my build on his channel My Vintage Iron.
289 for the best bang for your buck. And you don't need to do a lot to make a 390 -428 run. The 460 -429 had a bad habbit of tearing up transmissions.
They are hard to find now compared to the 302s.
@@AutoRestoMod true. They are not so easy to find now days. I have been hording the ones I do find.
289s with the early heads have a surprisingly modern chamber. I had one of the last HP blocks and the heads were a 64 casting number and had screw in studs and the slottedpushrod holes. I put 5/16 1.94 intake valves and 5/16 1.5 exhaust with a Tarantula 289 and a large solid for a 289,in a C code early 68 coupe. I built the engine and used a top-Loader with an 8 inch with a Detroit Locker and 3.89 gears. That thing would buzz!
The 429/ 460 broke cranks too, but I attribute that to a previous owner running it in detonation. It failed at a fillet. And I suspected that the caps were from another engine. That would cause fillet distress
I’m a little late to the party but the thing a lot of people miss about 351C parts is they share a BUNCH with the 351M and 400. You can get a running 351M for 200-300 and with an EGR delete, timing adjustment and a proper carb tune they make decent power out of the box. Obviously if you’re building it, there’s aftermarket parts available for 351M/400 and the 351C that address a lot of the year by year engineering issues, like the nylon timing chain, flat piston heads and intake restriction. While the 351C for the boss is rare, there’s the Q code used in some torinos and police cars and other places to find the 4V parts. If you do your research, you can have a relatively reliable and powerful engine for less than 1k and a beast for around 3k (google a 444 stroker kit, I dare you)
The 351 M is a boat anchor 😂 the truck smog motor only produce 135hp and the motor mounts are not the same as the 351C or 400. The bell housing bolt pattern is not the same as the two cousins mentioned above. The 351 M truck motor has the same bell housing bolt pattern as the 429 and 460. The 351m is all alone in it's class and has very little uncommon....
I have a stock 302 in my '54 F100. She's not particularly fast but she's seen 100mph. And reliable as hell.
Not sure how I feel about going 100MPH in a 54 Ford truck. LOL
Must have good brakes too.
385 series engines use a D3ly number for mounts into Torinoes 1972 - 1979. Flat tappet cams don't go flat if you groove the bottom of lifter bores with Comp Cams tool.
I have a few problems with this video. First one is the 351w is actually the best bang for the buck engine. They were available until the mid 90s in trucks. So finding one isn’t hard or expensive. Everything from the 302 will bolt except the intake manifold. You do need one specific to the 351w since it’s the same thing only has a taller deck height. Secondly No you do not need to upgrade to a 9 inch rear end. The 8.8 inch rear can handle well over 700hp when properly upgraded. Gear ratios ranging from 2.95- 4.30.
Luis, I can see your points, but the ONLY thing I knocked the Windsor out for is EASY chassis fitment and the fact that the mid 90's truck Windsors are harder to find than the 302 which are in a brazilion Fords from passenger cars to trucks to Explores As for the 8.8 it isn't a bolt in proposition due to the offset axles. And the nine can be.
Biggest problem is most stock 351W heads struggle to reach 250 HP...
@@BuzzLOLOL yea most stock heads but a set of junk yard GT40 or GT40p heads from an Explorer with an E or F cam can produce a decent amount of power for a very low buck. If you’re looking to have more power than 350hp and similar torque than the only answer is more inches in form of a stroker 351w with decent compression and a matching high flow head with a large enough cam to move all that air.
@@luisbravo6345 - Can go Ford 400 which is a stroked 351C and all had big 2.04"/1.66" valves, bigger than any SBC ever came with, just needs tmi pistons and mild cam, 4 bbl. carb. for cheap good HP/torque...
I'm building a 56 ford fairlane. I would love throwing in a mil big block but them LS motors are special
Love me some 56 Fords. But I don't like crossing makes. I'd do a 351 Windsor before I'd do an LS.
For a lil work at home with a 390 or 428 it's hard to beat all the torque they build
True.
I agree, and you can bore your 390 .030 over add a stroker kit for a 445. 585 hp and 550 ft lbs was what Power Nation that has Pat Topolinsky on it. He built it. You can even just do a 1 cube per ci 416 with 410 Mercury crank that built right with stock and a few aftermarket pieces 500 ft lbs and 450 hp doing it yourself all the cleaning and stuff and assembly ,it’s no more expensive than dropping a 302 at a shop and having them do the whole thing for 325 hp. The beauty is the memory of busted knuckles and smelling like parts cleaner and being able to say, yeah I built it!
Even my .020 over 390 I built back in 1999 hit the dyno at 450 hp// 450 ft lbs and I have beat the tar out of it. A 416 with a stock rebuild a moderate CJ cam and intake can do 416 hp and463 ft lbs.
I have a 68 Ford with a factory 428 PI and another 68 Ford with a factory 302 made on their first day back to work after the Christmas break! I wanted to do something mild with this 302 so I can’t wait to see what you come up with Jeff and enjoy your videos!!! 👍🏻
Very cool!
Jeff is really great 👍
I have a 67 cougar A code with a 289. What are your thoughts on fixing this one up vs going with a 302/351W?
I say keep what you have and muck with it. You can get some good numbers out of the 289 now. Especially with the heads that are available now.
Good information. Thanks
Glad it was helpful!
Oh my 69 Ford mustang I’m dropping in a 5.0 with the FI from 89 mustang police interceptor with a Trismic five speed transmission 👍😊
That should be fun!
@@AutoRestoMod yes I can’t Weight till I get to start on it I’m in the process of building big shop with my best friend 👍😊
97 Explorer 5.0 V8 is a roller block with good heads. If you hustle, you can get a thick-wall 85 5.0 PI block and put cheap Cleveland heads with cheap 460 2v intake valves,and a zoomy Edelbrock intake for a Boss 302. Bore and stroke to over 5.8 liters. Or just get a 95 5.8 roller block and make a cheap Clevor roller engine. Good video. Thanks.
That is a good idea
Are you saying the 85 302 police interceptor is thicker?
I know the older 302 from 69-75 is thicker walled.
But all rollers were thinner
I have a 1962 Ford Falcon and it has 170 it’s all stock which v8 makes sense?
Easiest would be a 302. The cool thing is that the engine mounts and everything are now available for that aftermarket.
Always been a 460 fan.
I've never had the opportunity. Looking at them harder now...
So is the gas station.
so I got a 73 Torino that I've been meaning to throw a fuel-injected engine in I've been looking at everything from a ranger to an F-150 any recommendations if it could be somewhat gas efficient that would be a plus
Honestly? I'd do a Holley Sniper EFI.
@@AutoRestoMod Fair, that in-line six has been real nice to me
302. Badass or mild,will push any car well. Cheap to build
I agree on one thing, a 347 stroker cost almost exactly the same as a 427 stroker Windsor, but why in the world would anyone want the 347 instead? Can’t compete with the 427 at all
great videos and informative..I currently have a 67 mustang,it came with a 6 banger,want to v8 it,having a hard time finding a rebuildable 289 or 302 core.
I’m a long time FE user, and it is getting harder to find cores. Thin wall means anything .30 over is going to overheat. The flagship motor of Ford from 1958-1968. It’s hard to find performance parts that aren’t sky high.
You can get new blocks from BBM(Bear Block motors). They have a hard time keeping up with demand though. There are several threads on Jay Browns site FE Power about them. They are a lot cheaper than Shelby blocks or pond blocks. They also have aluminum. Can’t remember the most recent cost though. Stupid pandemic has everything messed up!
@@roostgarage thanks! I’m glad somebody is making new FE blocks!
Sad but true.
FE continue well past 1968(yeah I know Ford introduced the 385 in '68, no Hi-Po versions till '70). The Cobra Jet 428 was introduced in '68 & continued through '70. 390 installed LTDs into mid year '71(dropped for 400).
F-Series used FE 360/390 through the 1976 model year.
@@tombryant1104 yes I know. But FE was fords main engine big block until the 429/460. Ford used the FE 360 & 390 in a lot of trucks some cars well into the 70’s.
So I'm already in the 302 game... for me every hundred horse power is about $1000, my number 2 would be a 351w thats the next step in the budget option in my opinion. My not so budget option is 351m or 400m. We can now get forged pistons for them. The motors themselves are cheap. You will have to make engine mounts because they were trucks only.... and they take Cleveland heads. It is the "budget Cleveland" (note requires some fabrication)
All solid ideas. I like the Windsor but it isn't as prolific as the 302.
Just got my 428cj back after a year rebuild and failed lifters. Stayed with stock heads and manifold but had to get roller cam and lifters. 0.040 oversized. Puts out 430 HP and 500Lb ft atleast $10k
I knew Victoria Secret story was about to go bad. Nice save. Had slightly massaged 302 in my 71 grabber maverick. Faster with the auto but couldn't get away from the fun of a top loader.
Modern Driveline says "You Ride with and automatic but you DRIVE a manual". Love that.
With the 302 build are we talking 300 wheel or 300 crank and what would you expect the drivetrain loss is on an early mustang to be around? Thanks
We'll be hitting that on Autorestomod this next week. We're doing a deep dive on five builds 302, 351W and 390FE. And will discuss this. It was 300 at the crank. parasitic can vary greatly between parts a C6 is a HP hog, while the C4 isn't as bad, and a four speed sucks out the least. Then there is the rear axle.
I spit my beer @ 4:40😄 Good thing im upgrading a 64 Falcon wagon!
Love us some Falcon wagon.
TAKE NOTE YALL - 1998-2001 Explorer 5 liter roller motor, aluminum intake, 1406 edelbrock carb, 1989 AOD trans no electronics and a 3.5:1 gear is the holy grail for any 3000lb classic. It fits, runs smooth, reliable, good gas mileage, sounds great and will haul ass. Dun been there and have had it with $385s, $351Cs and Ms and $$$FEs. FEs are cool though and sound the best. Your welcome.
Yup. Getting hard to find now in the yards.
F4TE 351w roller engine is the best option (it is the most “modern” ford small block and biggest cubic inch small block). That’s what I am putting in my 63.5 Falcon.
But it won’t be cheap. 3.85 stroke and forged pistons with AFR 205 heads. 393ci at 4.030.
Those are good but getting really hard to find, they were that way ten years ago. But agreed, a great engine package.
I have always enjoyed driving the 335 and 385 engines . Horse power for the dollar though, a small block would be best . If i could choose, then it would be a big FE
I agree with that is one reason that I am buying the F-100 from Frizzell racing
The 302 is the way to go for a budget build. I am doing a 347 boss a 302 boss stoked out to 347 its not a budget build. But it's lite and powerful motor.
We have a Probe 347 going into our '64 Falcon.
Going with the 260ho that came with my merc. It had factory dated bearing when I pulled them. Not trying to set the world on fire with this. Suggestions on cam?? Keeping most of the engine stock except cam, intake and carb. Intake is older dual plane weind and carb is vac secondary Holley 4bbl, 600 cfm of my memory hasn’t totally failed me. Oh and it has a c4.
Comp Cams 252H or 260H...
Anything bigger in that will dry up any Torque that little Guy might have had.
Those little Small Blocks can make fine Street Engines too. Just don't ask them to breathe too deeply - unless you want to run a 5-Speed and 4.10 or taller Gears.
Either of the Cams I suggested should give you great Driveability and good, smooth power!
@@CarminesRCTipsandTricks I have the 260H in my 289. Engine is nothing special with stock heads, roller tip rockers, tri Y;s, Holley 600. Has real nice mid range.
@@Deucealive75 It is a great choice for 289/302...
Which is why I would lean more towards the 252H for a 260. With an Auto and stock Gears anyway.
I've been doing this for a long time. I've seen too many People OVER Cam their Engines - and wondering why they LOST most of their Torque under 2500-2800 RPM!!!
These are the same People who also put 750 Double Pumpers on a stock Small Block, and then complain about BOGGING if they give more than 1/4 Throttle!! 😖 SMH
@@CarminesRCTipsandTricks The mistake I made with mine was that I used the Edelbrock Torquer 2 which is a single plane. I used it because I got it dirt cheap when I built the engine back in 1986. Still happy with it. I run with a top loader and 350/1 gearing.
@@Deucealive75 It's only a minor mistake... Because you have a 4-Speed. So you can launch it IN the Power Band. Unlike if you had a C4/6 with a stock Converter....
Then you'd bog pretty badly.
The 600 you're running is just about right - if it's Vacuum Secondaries.
Where can I get the hips 289 exhaust headers?
I think I will go with the Torsion Bar suspension so I don't have to modify the shock towers.
I want to use a truck grandma gear 4spd ! Which big block would be easiest to put in my 63 f-250 ? It originally had a 262 inline 6.
With the right mods anything is possible. I would hit Fordification.com and look at the forums for what works.
@@AutoRestoMod I think I already got most of it figured out! One question I haven’t answered though is will a 73-79 460 bel housing bolt into my stock (64 Ford F-250) bel housing cross member? The 4spd manual transmission attaches to the frame on the front only and I definitely want to retain the traditional transmission. I love manual transmissions but hate the newer multi gear trash. I understand that a race car needs 2 intermediate gears but it’s a waste on a street car.
360. Plentiful.
Im assuming by saying 302 you are also including the 289 since its basically the same motor just with a different stroke. A 289 can be made into a great cruising motor with pretty respectable power and is the base V8 for a lot of the classics.
Yes, the 302 is just more prevalent in the salvage yards.
@@AutoRestoMod Thought so. Happy Motoring from Darlington my man.
I'm a long time fan of the nearly unbreakable 390/428. Can't afford the 427 critters but they earned their accolades in the 60's. I've had 2 of the 351c 2v engines and they're great street engines. 251w engines are all over, but you gotta make people wise to.the crap the government is pushing to take used vehicles and parts out of circulation to push the EV agenda. I built a 1991 251w +.030 , a little extra cam over stock HO cam for that year and somehow lost my emissions in iowa, so I got a nice dual plane intake and 750cfm combo from edelbrock, I believe the cam was a crower, and it had tri Y afterburner headers on it when it rolled in. Believe it or not the thing got more mileage out of a tank.of gas after 300.miles than it was said to have new. The cr was 9.32 or 9.35:1. It's been 25 years. The axle gears stayed the same and the AODE was untouched other than.filter and fluid change.
I borrowed it a few times when moving and when my soft top jeep couldn't warm the engine firing a cold snap. Even with 4x4 and extended cab it had lots of enthusiasm under the right pedal. Where before the thought was ti find better gears after thenrevmbuild, we all thought it was fine after. In fact the ratio was 3.25 but all that got changed out was the open dif for a Detroit unit. This truck went hunting a lot and fishing. If it had been a swb pickuo.it may have been ok.as a 2wd but that long wheelbase made the don't get pushed and taught the younger ones about approach and departure angles running stock size bfg all terrain tires. It had better heat and better rain resistance than.mynlittle cj7, but it wasn't nimble like the jeep off road. Sometimes i wish i had the space to park it at my place. I'd have kept it for towing and those mornings my nipples were able to cut diamonds
After 56 years building Ford engines ,I agree with this guy all the way. However the 351 Wi dsor holds the Nascar speed record. It is a deprndsble hard running durable engine. So much so GM copied it right down to the cylinder numbering and firing order. And I've used flat tappet cams in 460s for over 40 years and never had a problem one time.
The Windsor is a great engine my only reason for knocking it out was the chassis fitment issues for straight bolt in.
I would bet the NASCAR 351 had 351 C heads on it not W.
I'm an FE fan but I agree it doesn't belong in the budget category. I turned a 352 into a 445. I just had to do it once. I also went with the tko600 from modern driveline, so I've got over $10k in the driveline. But there was no way I was going to be satisfied with a 302 in my 65 f250.
If you can...you should just once. That 445 would have to make you giggle every time you hit the go-go pedal.
I have a 78 F-150 with 460 1990 F250 plow truck with EFI 460 68 lincoln continental with 460 and a 75 Gran Torino with 351W Love both engines ,And I agree Ford Engine in a Ford. My 78 460 has DOVE heads Flat tappet cam At least 200,000 miles on never had flat cam
It is an issue. Not ever engine does it. I have built three Clevelands and had no issues. I have a friend who has built a couple and had one flat spot a cam. It has to do with the way the valve train is set up. Not a never and always, just a be advised.
@@AutoRestoMod Back in the late 80 early 90 I was the engine builder at a machine shop up in Alaska. I have built hundreds of engines from the boring to the assembly. Ford Chevy Dodge and foreign cars. The Chevy 350 was by far the engine that would have a flat cam. I built my 460 back in 1989 and it is still going strong. Of course now days engine oil is lacking the zinc additive. If I do another 460 build I will go with a roller setup. And for the last 27 years I work as a Service Manager at A Polaris Dealership Up here in AK. So I have been out the engine building for awhile. Keep up the good work. Love your Video's.
I know this is an old vid, but........my favorite "budget" ford motor is a 335 series 400. Yes the ol boat anchor. You get BB cubes, it's 100lbs lighter than a 460, and all the good 351 Cleveland top end parts work even better on a 400. 500hp and 500ft lbs of torque is pretty easy to get out of a 400.
That is a good choice, and the engine isn't one that a lot of people go looking for. That makes it a little cheaper as well!
Going to put a 289 in a Place of Y block for a 59 Edsel.
Solid choice.
Might as well go 460...
Preparing to do my first build ever. 1978 made 460 to start with for my pickup. Any advice?
We have a video coming on basic and high performance builds for this engine stay tuned.
I know its all the same but not a word on the 351 M, yeah its mostly just a windsor with 400 heads but kinda cool, if you are in to that. Ima fe fan myself got 3 390s just sitting around collecting dust,
The M is not really a budget engine. Hard to find anymore.
Yessir i agree was throwing it out there, all of them are hard to find for the most part. Depending on where you are at.