Thanks for your thoughts on this. It really is appreciated. I understand not having footage of new skills, but would have really liked you including background footage for existing skills when you talked about them. These builds have been around in some shape or form for awhile. Especially when you talked about a skill being unbearable to watch... so show it?
my usual league start is impending doom/hexblast doomsday occultist, its really easy to scale doom (most of it is on the tree), nobody wants max doom items (so they are pretty cheap), and i can usually stack a few aura curses for defences pretty easily (enfeeble and temporal chains). you get some pretty good damage with no investment and the defence curses make you pretty tanky! single target sucks unless you have 2 other enemies nearby tho.
Nice dude, i did not see your video before but you got me entertained with the little things like "this build is now detonated and dead" I also do not want to hear any more of those "My build is totally viable as league starter with recent -99.9% damage nerf and uniques for it costing 5mirrors each because all you need to do endgame is 10k dps and patience"
Great video as always! My current shortlist: -Dominating Blow Guardian (top of my list, never gone wrong league starting this) -General's Cry Ice Crash (this has been flying under the radar for a while, puts out absurd DPS even just using Oni-Goroshi, but very squishy) -Lightning Conduit Spellslinger Trickster (using 2 Spellslinger setups, one with Overcharge Shock Nova delivered by Astral Projector, was able to fit 14 unique masteries pretty naturally for Polymath) -CWC Firestorm Elementalist (this is almost certainly garbage, but I've never played this skill and it looks fun, probably better for a late-league experiment)
Wonder what I'm doing wrong with Dominating Blow Guardian, I've tried it twice and both times I got stuck in white maps, and rolled into something else. Though it might be also my expectation of how the build would feel. I used to play Dominating Blow Scion back in 2014 or something, when it actually converted enemies and got completely ridiculous, with 50+ minion death balls rolling over maps, it was like playing Katamari Damacy. The new one will unfortunately never match that feeling I guess.
I'm looking at a Poisonous Concoction Trickster as an SSF-friendly start. Can stay compact, fit in a lot of masteries, and Trickster's speed and generic more damage seem nice for the flask skills.
I've been aching to run bane/soulrend ever since I saw the patch notes and whilst I doubt it will outperform skills like PC or LS, it will be a a lot of fun running maps and expedition. Hope you all have a great league start and a memorable league overall.
I bloody love the aesthetics of Soulrend. Especially with many projectiles. But damn, it feels bad when the support skill you use - Bane - just does what your main skill is supposed to do, quicker, easier, and for longer. While also applying curses. That said, they basically added an additional Inquisitor node onto the damage of Spellslinger. And I'm pretty excited to try fireball / flame surge again. It was fun last time.
Soulrend clear is so much better than bane, bane playstyle is also not for everyone, every chaos dot spell build need at least 2 skill to do single target damage anyway
Easy, play a bane occu with soulrend in sire of shards in the 2. weapon slot. for maps just use this weapon with cwc - cyclone - soulrend - x - x - x. damage is enough for red maps. for harder packs and bosses switch to your 1. weapon bane setup.
Oh boy Bane does feel better in very little occasions imo.. In any map with an open layout Soulrend feels SO much better in my opinion, also with the same links it will do atleast DOUBLE banes damage. I do agree that Bane for leveling just feels better so honestly just play both! Bane for clear and just get a second 4-link with Soulrend for single target(so no multiple proj). It's what feels best for me.
Starting with Soul rend occultist, I just want to unleash the cats again :) Just looking for build guides, currently will variant from Subtractm's bane one.
Same here ! Tell me if you find a nice soulrend occultist build, i feel like lvling with bane and ed then expedition farm with soulrend but i feel i need curse ring to do so.
I can add poison phys spells to that list (bf/bb and bv). Yes they got hit by nerfs pretty hard, but newly buffed unique items like ming's heart, the covenant and obliteration will compensate. There is also a potential to start any ignite mapper (woc, arma brand, hexblast) and than respec into Maw of mischief, though with how much it is pushed by streamers lately Maw will be expensive.
I think for Lightning Conduit, it will also be viable to play it as an Inquisitor, the pob looks very solid for it. Using Divine Shield, Iron Will and Magnate belt for good defense and offense.
I'm doing an explosive trap speedyboi raider to endless heist and get atlas progression done, de then transfer some of the gear to do a EB MOM Saboteur for bossing, essence and harvest purposes, from my testing in ssf, should be pretty fun!
5:07 why not inquisitior? wasnt arc inquisitor pretty good last league? wouldnt that work with him just swapping the gems and playing around with them to tweak for it?
Nice shortlist, I myself am going deadeye spec throw this league start, then A LOT later when I can afford the gear am gonna try out a frost blink ignite elementalist.
I agree, I played Occultist for a couple years straight because I love the pops! I feel like PCOC is on the menu too 🤔 Def a mapper, I did soulrend in 3.15 and I needed a carry for everything
Doing ignite elementalist. Have done it for three leagues now and it's always enjoyable. Plan on trying it with incinerate and lightning conduit but if they both suck I'll swap over to vaal arc to farm legions.
I could be wrong here, but I don't think Soulrend interacts with Temp Chains since it doesn't leaves a debuff on the enemy, so it doesn't extends the duration. Think of Soulrend like a projectile with moving ground degen trail, while the trail is intersecting with the enemy hitbox, it's applying the degen. So at best, it would maybe make enemies less likely to move from the squiggly purple effect of Soulrend.
Soulrend applies a debuff doing DOT, that's the base duration stat on the gem. This starts ticking down once the monster is no longer in contact with the projectile. With just base duration (600ms), if the monster is struck and remains in contact with the projectile for 150ms, it takes Soulrend's damage for 750ms. All the time the projectile is in contact, then 600ms after.
i realy enjoy that no content creator i looked at so far suggests the build i want to leaguestart. ( its a working one with flexible ascendency choice dont worry.)
Starting as Spectral Helix Trickster I think, or Raider, haven't really decided yet. If Raider I will go over to lightning strike eventually. But spectral helix with frenzy-stacks and ice bite is just so easy dmg for starting out an attackbuild.
Sirgog I would have loved brief comments/analysis about the build and the new league mechanic and how it could impact/use it. For example, the LS gang uses omni and rings with double attributes values would be superb. This can be extrapolated to other builds also.
I intend to do this on anything I flesh out more, give some sort of upgrade path for the build. This was more a "here's some things that are possible" than a deep dive into everything.
(SSF btw) I will go with RF Inquisitor, because not only did I not play it yet, but also because Pohx provides a *very* thourough guide, and its immense defensive potential is a very welcoming change to calmly do content, especially delve and heist. But I will keep my eyes open on anything that could be a good second guy for bossing. Also I generally like to try out new diverse SSF builds (especially for the remade Trickster).
Hello, Fuzzy Duckzy's opinion on Farrul+darkray for LS raider was that it was a bit outdated and thus outclassed by influenced rares, do you have any opinions on this ? It appears it is still quite used as shown on poe.ninja
I played LS as my 2nd build last league, abusing the busted Champion ascendancy. It was very solid. Even with only about 7 million DPS, it was so tanky that I could mostly meme on bosses. I wasn't looking forward to trying it again, but I might consider an Ephemeral Edge version with Trickster or Inquisitor at some point, depending on how expensive/rare the sword is. The new rage generating gloves kind of make me want to try a hybrid life/ES attack Inquisitor. I'm probably going to league start a brand or self-casting Inquisitor or Elementalist though.
I tested Lightning Strike on my Omniscience Raider from 3.17 and it seemed fine. Fairly min-maxed build still rofl-stomps Guardians. Didn't try any Ubers, but even Harvest T4s died in a split second.
Yeah, the raider spread ailments in a radius of 20 is really appealing. But far far away on the tree. Maybe it does not need to invest so much in damage who knows. Not sure yet about trickster. Maybe assassin for power charges?
I can recommend strength stacking boneshatter, especially if you start delayed into the league due to tine difference. I picked up Pillar of the caged god (5link) with my first alchemy orb and it was incredibly smooth until red maps.
Your comment on explosive trap reminds me of the league in which I played ice crash with a friend playing ice nova, without skins, let's just say the screen was very white
I would like to see a PoB of new lightning skill with raider, tired of playing same old builds and raider is such a nice ascendancy for league starting.
I'm so basic, league starting Ele Helix into LS in a small-ish private league! Hoping to play LS before it inevitably gets gutted next patch. The builds I wanna do when I get a bit of currency are things like: Boneshatter! Bronn's Lithe General's Cry Shield Charge with Corpsewalkers. Some variety of Death's Oath.
Gonna go lancing steel champ, lvling with splitting steel. It probably can't do Ubers without extreme investment, but do really enjoy the playstyle and want to try to take it there
TY for this summary of good ideas. Do you happen to have found a good boneshatter Jugg build (guide / PoB)? I didn't find one yet, I want to follow. Will you make a video on what you will league start on?
A friend played this: th-cam.com/video/CWPvP4ST0AA/w-d-xo.html - note that it's not set up as a starter, and I'm not sure whether he brute forced levelling with the final tree or started another way. He did earn currency for Ashes by playing as the final build though
Ive been doing a bunch of "research" and im definitely going with bane occultist.....seems like a legit contender. Glad to see it and /or soulrend in this list.
@@firecross625 Just started watching his stuff, he's the reason i'm going with the build :). Some people in this community are so much more intune with how shit works haha
I'm going to start corrupting fever or wintertide brand. Neither seem to have been hit by the patch notes and I feel comfortable killing all the non Uber versions of the pentacle bosses.
I think there will be some fallback lightning skills if the new release skills end up not working out, Arc, Crackling Lance, Storm Call (my favorite skill in the game) even Storm Brand are solid skills that can do work. Elementalist I'm a bit iffy about, it can be tanky as Primal aegis will give you solid defenses against incoming ele damage if you can get phys taken as ele damage modifiers on items (such as taste of hate) should be possible to be relatively tanky. Golem buffs help as well (since Chaos golem gives you reduced phys damage taken).
I think elementalist is one of the best options due to the shock. You pretty much are really going to want shaper of storms with the new skills due to the way they scale with shock and need shock on the enemy to even work. The issue I had with it is sustain, while the damage potential looks absolutely insane as elementalist sustain is a bit difficult until you get some really good gear. I actually considered it, the biggest issue I had is actually if galvanic field can trigger CoC. If that is the case I was considering a crackling lance with galvanic field coc lightning conduit, although unleashed arc is also an option. The other option I have played around with is trickster, you can pretty easily get a 30% more damage and 10% ES/life/mana on kill. It has the potential to be insanely tanky but has a less damage potential. Likely would be amazing mapper but lack in the bossing.
I'm going to try an elementalist with the new skills, and if that doesn't work out I have a crackling lance build I am currently running as it will probably be stronger next patch.
Seems like it is Raider for me again boys. Ailment immune and suppression capped? Yes please ! Although Lightning Strike is good, i can not stand the bright screen clutter. So Frost Blades for clearing and Helix for bosses it is then ! What are your go-to when it comes to reliable starters ?
Can you do ubers with that? Last time I played CF was before all that. Mapping was S+++ (before archnem) and bossing was like B or A tier with a good amt of investment
@@JTD472 Rue was saying he was doing them with that (IDK budget, though), and he has been whining for a bit that they fixed a bug that un-nerfed it by ~30% (because it was harder for him than it needed to be).
@@JTD472 it's not the best bosser. Even with 1k ex gear you will be stuck around 3-6mill dps. (with the immortal poets pen verson i played last league). I stacked defense though. 7k life, 90 res, 3,500 hp/sec, 200k armor/ev, suppression cap.... Could easily facetank Ubers, but it didnt kill them fast. The Squire version has a lot more single target, and I think I'll go for that this time.
@Sirgog what do you think about absolution guardian as a league start? Absolution received quite a buff (base crit and aoe) and guardian was pretty good to play it since 3.17 or even earlier patches. Will new minion nodes completely change viability of this build?
ill be starting as soulrend trickster. i think polymath averages out the dps compared to occultist and you get sooo much more QoL and sustain. i also consider the starting location way better and getting the 3rd curse on trickster is not that hard aswell. only thing you miss is profane bloom
The paint splatter? It's from Microsoft Powerpoint of all things, there's a feature where it suggests ~30 layouts with artwork & I picked one that was eye catching
A bit offtopic Sirgog, but what do you think about the latest change GGG made to items you are selling, regarding the last item that you received a whisper for being highlighted in your stash tab? I absolutely love this!!! So many times I'll have tons of jewels that I'm selling and it's a pain in the ass to count or find out which one they did a whisper on.... Great quality of life change!
Will be good IF they improve it before launch. Just QAing my day 17 roundup vid now, that'll be mentioned Feature as previewed wasn't finished but they are fixing it.
Rf Inq is by FAR my best build easily. It was Toxic Rain Champion but RF clears so much better and playstyle is so stress free, definitely my fav way to play the game. I usually get my character to level 90-92 only my Toxic Rain Champ & RF Inquistor are higher at 94 & 97 respectively. Still stuck at 2 voidstones tho and My RF is the only character that's killed shaper. I want to build a boss killer but I can't find a good guide (don't have a pc so can't use pob) Pohx is probably why my RF Inquistor is doing so well and nobody is making a boss killer guide anywhere near as good as his guides.
@@sirgog I've killed all bosses and the speed from onslaught makes mapping very smooth (on league start tester). No complaints so far for my first ever "homebrew" build. I'll also be playing with an Aura Stacker so.... shouldn't have much of a problem with any content?
This was a friend's build at the time he took down Uber Shaper after a couple dozen Simulacrum runs: pastebin.com/MUr3sMks (3.18, some things will likely change) This is not a leaguestart setup though, more an aspirational setup for ~40 hours /played. I'd need to seriously plan a better way to start it.
Fury of Nature (not on any tree): Non-Damaging Elemental Ailments you inflict spread to nearby enemies in a radius of 20. Non-Damaging Elemental Ailments you inflict have 100% more Effect
Going into Soulrend trickster. Occ is obvioulsy better but the new Trickster look fun as hell. If this not work shitching to bv poison or something like this
I wanted to run Soulrend Trickster a week ago, but after seeing the Trickster overview I felt I could only recommend hit-based builds on the ascendancy now
Nice, I was actually thinking of going Viperstrike Pathfinder to start this season. Maybe I should look at the Occultist version? Still looks to be a top tier boss killer, considering non nerfed Nightblade support. And no one has mentioned it so gear may be less expensive to come by
Played this once, loved it! They did nerf it pretty harshly in recent updates, so be warned, it will probably stall out for a while in yellow maps and really need some investment.
@@Real_extra_1 hey tx for the input. I've never played this build before and considering I team w my brother at league start I thought Id go for more of a boss killer while he creates a 'clear' character
Can anyone recommend an SSF starter than can beat Eater and Exarch for the stones while being a fast mapper so I can farm currency and uniques for later builds? I would love to run an Arc/Conduit build but idk if it can kill bosses. Arc sux big time with bossing so I think it probably wont work for my goals
Here's the build a friend used - when they stood on Uber Shaper degen ground and ate a beam from one clone, balls from another and slam from the third. pastebin.com/MUr3sMks - it's changed a little, but nothing overwhelming. There's massive ramping required to get 'rolling' with the maximum DPS potential
I have been using explosive trap for ages super strong skill! Wondering if poison seismic has been affected i know the phys damage has been hit hard but would poison still be viable? Are you able to make a video on some ssf build ideas im all out of creativity
Hey! Bane occultist is such a strong starter by itself, I played Bane/essence drain occultist a couple leagues for my starter. Have you seen Subtractem's guides on Bane? If not I can reccomend them. Good luck on your league start
pastebin.com/MUr3sMks was the friend's 3.18 build that sat in the 50m range during realistic 100% delirious mapping conditions (400 trauma). Requires Ashes (26% or better) to be that good.
A friend played this last league: th-cam.com/video/CWPvP4ST0AA/w-d-xo.html DO NOT leaguestart with this setup unless you are a very experienced player - I'd get to level 85 with a different setup.
but for real occy soulrend just sounds soooooooo much fun i seriously cant decide if i want to start that as something new and enjoy my soulrend agai nafter sooooooooon long and get to test and enjoy explosion occy for once but idkkkkkkk i also dont know if i wanna invest in CI gear hahahahaha~ buuuuuuuut that or EA HIit raider or either on trickster later on for a reroll yepyepyepyepyepyepyepyepyep
Someone above also said the new maps they added are all terrible for the skill, while many of the ones they removed were pretty great for it. I had to cross it off my list based on that (sadly, bc I have yet to play it, and this might be its last heyday league).
The real nerf to lightning strike was the change to the map rotation. all the maps that they rotated back in are basically cancer for the skill while they basically removed all it's best layout maps lol
I will play trickster this league. Likely Soulrend but while leveling but will no doubt use ED and Bane as well. Might socket the new lightning skills a while to try them out. Of course after your mention that trickster lacks dot synergy that chaos dot preference is likely to change at endgame.
cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer~ honestly gonan be a TONNNNNN of awsoem starts, and im suuuuuuuper interested to see what ends up beign really good incase i need a reroll hahaha~ honestly though i cant wait to play something soulrend with occy or trickster if things look good when people test it, i cant wait to play anything with trickster, and i cant wait to just get a good mapping t16 grinding build that i can optomize to my play style~ dunno how ill struggle ot survive campaign leveling but cant wait cheeeeeeers ALSOOOOOOOO i know its a little hilarious and perhaps not overly meta, but mannnnnnnn im sooooooooooooooo happy for EA HIT version! tons of cool room and raider is suuuuuuuuper relaxing for just generic defenses and easy gearing SUPER early on for my first few days along until im atLEAST able to build up more gear and crafting supplies for another build coooooooooooooooooool
thanks for the videos Sirgog. Always appreciate your input. Keep it up!
Thanks mate!
This was a great quick hit of meta information backed by solid data. Appreciate this, thanks!
Dude, first 30 seconds I am hooked on how well you present your stuff! Good work! Thank you!!!
Great video man! Props to the attention to detail, those little things that matter a ton!
thanks mate!
Thanks for your thoughts on this. It really is appreciated.
I understand not having footage of new skills, but would have really liked you including background footage for existing skills when you talked about them. These builds have been around in some shape or form for awhile. Especially when you talked about a skill being unbearable to watch... so show it?
Hey I really like the design style you did in this video with the dark and neon contrast, really cool.
my usual league start is impending doom/hexblast doomsday occultist, its really easy to scale doom (most of it is on the tree), nobody wants max doom items (so they are pretty cheap), and i can usually stack a few aura curses for defences pretty easily (enfeeble and temporal chains). you get some pretty good damage with no investment and the defence curses make you pretty tanky! single target sucks unless you have 2 other enemies nearby tho.
Yeah curses in general are great early
You could just use a 6l bane and a 4l/5l oulrend instead. Or just use 6ls on both.
Excited to play with the new Jugg notables. I always prefer tanky builds and I'm looking forward to your PoBs :)
That comment about the projectile vomited strobe light made me choke on my drink LOL
Nice dude, i did not see your video before but you got me entertained with the little things like "this build is now detonated and dead" I also do not want to hear any more of those "My build is totally viable as league starter with recent -99.9% damage nerf and uniques for it costing 5mirrors each because all you need to do endgame is 10k dps and patience"
Great video as always!
My current shortlist:
-Dominating Blow Guardian (top of my list, never gone wrong league starting this)
-General's Cry Ice Crash (this has been flying under the radar for a while, puts out absurd DPS even just using Oni-Goroshi, but very squishy)
-Lightning Conduit Spellslinger Trickster (using 2 Spellslinger setups, one with Overcharge Shock Nova delivered by Astral Projector, was able to fit 14 unique masteries pretty naturally for Polymath)
-CWC Firestorm Elementalist (this is almost certainly garbage, but I've never played this skill and it looks fun, probably better for a late-league experiment)
Wonder what I'm doing wrong with Dominating Blow Guardian, I've tried it twice and both times I got stuck in white maps, and rolled into something else.
Though it might be also my expectation of how the build would feel. I used to play Dominating Blow Scion back in 2014 or something, when it actually converted enemies and got completely ridiculous, with 50+ minion death balls rolling over maps, it was like playing Katamari Damacy. The new one will unfortunately never match that feeling I guess.
I'm looking at a Poisonous Concoction Trickster as an SSF-friendly start. Can stay compact, fit in a lot of masteries, and Trickster's speed and generic more damage seem nice for the flask skills.
I've been aching to run bane/soulrend ever since I saw the patch notes and whilst I doubt it will outperform skills like PC or LS, it will be a a lot of fun running maps and expedition. Hope you all have a great league start and a memorable league overall.
I bloody love the aesthetics of Soulrend. Especially with many projectiles.
But damn, it feels bad when the support skill you use - Bane - just does what your main skill is supposed to do, quicker, easier, and for longer. While also applying curses.
That said, they basically added an additional Inquisitor node onto the damage of Spellslinger. And I'm pretty excited to try fireball / flame surge again. It was fun last time.
Yeah, I love soulrend, but on almost everycase just using bane feels better :(
Soulrend clear is so much better than bane, bane playstyle is also not for everyone, every chaos dot spell build need at least 2 skill to do single target damage anyway
Easy, play a bane occu with soulrend in sire of shards in the 2. weapon slot. for maps just use this weapon with cwc - cyclone - soulrend - x - x - x. damage is enough for red maps. for harder packs and bosses switch to your 1. weapon bane setup.
Oh boy Bane does feel better in very little occasions imo.. In any map with an open layout Soulrend feels SO much better in my opinion, also with the same links it will do atleast DOUBLE banes damage. I do agree that Bane for leveling just feels better so honestly just play both! Bane for clear and just get a second 4-link with Soulrend for single target(so no multiple proj). It's what feels best for me.
Starting with Soul rend occultist, I just want to unleash the cats again :) Just looking for build guides, currently will variant from Subtractm's bane one.
Same here ! Tell me if you find a nice soulrend occultist build, i feel like lvling with bane and ed then expedition farm with soulrend but i feel i need curse ring to do so.
I can add poison phys spells to that list (bf/bb and bv). Yes they got hit by nerfs pretty hard, but newly buffed unique items like ming's heart, the covenant and obliteration will compensate.
There is also a potential to start any ignite mapper (woc, arma brand, hexblast) and than respec into Maw of mischief, though with how much it is pushed by streamers lately Maw will be expensive.
I think for Lightning Conduit, it will also be viable to play it as an Inquisitor, the pob looks very solid for it. Using Divine Shield, Iron Will and Magnate belt for good defense and offense.
Also lvling with battlemage is one of the easiest lvling on league start
I'm doing an explosive trap speedyboi raider to endless heist and get atlas progression done, de then transfer some of the gear to do a EB MOM Saboteur for bossing, essence and harvest purposes, from my testing in ssf, should be pretty fun!
I do like that idea.
Ayyy fellow explosive trap raider enjoyer
5:07 why not inquisitior? wasnt arc inquisitor pretty good last league? wouldnt that work with him just swapping the gems and playing around with them to tweak for it?
Nice shortlist, I myself am going deadeye spec throw this league start, then A LOT later when I can afford the gear am gonna try out a frost blink ignite elementalist.
I agree, I played Occultist for a couple years straight because I love the pops! I feel like PCOC is on the menu too 🤔 Def a mapper, I did soulrend in 3.15 and I needed a carry for everything
Doing ignite elementalist. Have done it for three leagues now and it's always enjoyable. Plan on trying it with incinerate and lightning conduit but if they both suck I'll swap over to vaal arc to farm legions.
Wave of Conviction is another idea
@@sirgog Yeah, I usually do that in my other 6 link for single target if I'm using vaal arc. Feels very good.
I want to start boneshatter so much, but the stun archnemesis mods still worry me despite the presumed nerf.
I could be wrong here, but I don't think Soulrend interacts with Temp Chains since it doesn't leaves a debuff on the enemy, so it doesn't extends the duration.
Think of Soulrend like a projectile with moving ground degen trail, while the trail is intersecting with the enemy hitbox, it's applying the degen. So at best, it would maybe make enemies less likely to move from the squiggly purple effect of Soulrend.
Soulrend applies a debuff doing DOT, that's the base duration stat on the gem. This starts ticking down once the monster is no longer in contact with the projectile.
With just base duration (600ms), if the monster is struck and remains in contact with the projectile for 150ms, it takes Soulrend's damage for 750ms. All the time the projectile is in contact, then 600ms after.
@@sirgog Holy smokes, that's so not how I thought it worked.
i realy enjoy that no content creator i looked at so far suggests the build i want to leaguestart. ( its a working one with flexible ascendency choice dont worry.)
Starting as Spectral Helix Trickster I think, or Raider, haven't really decided yet. If Raider I will go over to lightning strike eventually. But spectral helix with frenzy-stacks and ice bite is just so easy dmg for starting out an attackbuild.
Sirgog I would have loved brief comments/analysis about the build and the new league mechanic and how it could impact/use it. For example, the LS gang uses omni and rings with double attributes values would be superb. This can be extrapolated to other builds also.
I intend to do this on anything I flesh out more, give some sort of upgrade path for the build. This was more a "here's some things that are possible" than a deep dive into everything.
(SSF btw) I will go with RF Inquisitor, because not only did I not play it yet, but also because Pohx provides a *very* thourough guide, and its immense defensive potential is a very welcoming change to calmly do content, especially delve and heist.
But I will keep my eyes open on anything that could be a good second guy for bossing. Also I generally like to try out new diverse SSF builds (especially for the remade Trickster).
Hello, Fuzzy Duckzy's opinion on Farrul+darkray for LS raider was that it was a bit outdated and thus outclassed by influenced rares, do you have any opinions on this ?
It appears it is still quite used as shown on poe.ninja
I played LS as my 2nd build last league, abusing the busted Champion ascendancy. It was very solid. Even with only about 7 million DPS, it was so tanky that I could mostly meme on bosses. I wasn't looking forward to trying it again, but I might consider an Ephemeral Edge version with Trickster or Inquisitor at some point, depending on how expensive/rare the sword is. The new rage generating gloves kind of make me want to try a hybrid life/ES attack Inquisitor.
I'm probably going to league start a brand or self-casting Inquisitor or Elementalist though.
I tested Lightning Strike on my Omniscience Raider from 3.17 and it seemed fine.
Fairly min-maxed build still rofl-stomps Guardians. Didn't try any Ubers, but even Harvest T4s died in a split second.
Yeah, the raider spread ailments in a radius of 20 is really appealing. But far far away on the tree. Maybe it does not need to invest so much in damage who knows.
Not sure yet about trickster. Maybe assassin for power charges?
I can recommend strength stacking boneshatter, especially if you start delayed into the league due to tine difference. I picked up Pillar of the caged god (5link) with my first alchemy orb and it was incredibly smooth until red maps.
Going lightning arrow deadeye on league start to transition into my first ever tornado shot build later on!
Your comment on explosive trap reminds me of the league in which I played ice crash with a friend playing ice nova, without skins, let's just say the screen was very white
Might try Spark Inquisitor, never played that before with Bane Occu as back up. Later on the league l may try your boneshatter behemoth.
i really want to try boneshatter
i love the jugg. my favorite.
Any build guide?
This isn't a starter setup but here's what a friend used last league: pastebin.com/MUr3sMks
I would like to see a PoB of new lightning skill with raider, tired of playing same old builds and raider is such a nice ascendancy for league starting.
I'm so basic, league starting Ele Helix into LS in a small-ish private league!
Hoping to play LS before it inevitably gets gutted next patch.
The builds I wanna do when I get a bit of currency are things like:
Boneshatter!
Bronn's Lithe General's Cry Shield Charge with Corpsewalkers.
Some variety of Death's Oath.
Gonna go lancing steel champ, lvling with splitting steel. It probably can't do Ubers without extreme investment, but do really enjoy the playstyle and want to try to take it there
TY for this summary of good ideas.
Do you happen to have found a good boneshatter Jugg build (guide / PoB)?
I didn't find one yet, I want to follow.
Will you make a video on what you will league start on?
A friend played this: th-cam.com/video/CWPvP4ST0AA/w-d-xo.html - note that it's not set up as a starter, and I'm not sure whether he brute forced levelling with the final tree or started another way. He did earn currency for Ashes by playing as the final build though
Ive been doing a bunch of "research" and im definitely going with bane occultist.....seems like a legit contender. Glad to see it and /or soulrend in this list.
Played Subtractem's bane as my starter last league and had a blast, highly recommend
Was going to say subtractem is your best choice then I played that build abit in sentinel its really good and kinda fun.
@@firecross625 Just started watching his stuff, he's the reason i'm going with the build :). Some people in this community are so much more intune with how shit works haha
I'm going to start corrupting fever or wintertide brand. Neither seem to have been hit by the patch notes and I feel comfortable killing all the non Uber versions of the pentacle bosses.
I think there will be some fallback lightning skills if the new release skills end up not working out, Arc, Crackling Lance, Storm Call (my favorite skill in the game) even Storm Brand are solid skills that can do work. Elementalist I'm a bit iffy about, it can be tanky as Primal aegis will give you solid defenses against incoming ele damage if you can get phys taken as ele damage modifiers on items (such as taste of hate) should be possible to be relatively tanky. Golem buffs help as well (since Chaos golem gives you reduced phys damage taken).
I think elementalist is one of the best options due to the shock. You pretty much are really going to want shaper of storms with the new skills due to the way they scale with shock and need shock on the enemy to even work. The issue I had with it is sustain, while the damage potential looks absolutely insane as elementalist sustain is a bit difficult until you get some really good gear.
I actually considered it, the biggest issue I had is actually if galvanic field can trigger CoC. If that is the case I was considering a crackling lance with galvanic field coc lightning conduit, although unleashed arc is also an option.
The other option I have played around with is trickster, you can pretty easily get a 30% more damage and 10% ES/life/mana on kill. It has the potential to be insanely tanky but has a less damage potential. Likely would be amazing mapper but lack in the bossing.
I'm going to try an elementalist with the new skills, and if that doesn't work out I have a crackling lance build I am currently running as it will probably be stronger next patch.
Seems like it is Raider for me again boys. Ailment immune and suppression capped? Yes please ! Although Lightning Strike is good, i can not stand the bright screen clutter. So Frost Blades for clearing and Helix for bosses it is then ! What are your go-to when it comes to reliable starters ?
I don't know how you would be getting max shock on bosses with the Trickster variant. I was testing it myself and it wasn't working well on the cheap.
Overshock is a big deal, but it won't necessarily be capped. Doesn't need to be.
@@sirgog I will love to see it when you finish it because I couldn't figure it out myself.
yeah was trying to fit trickster in with those skills , but i don´t think there is any hope to be better than elementalist on league start.
Hi sirgog, how do you think of Storm Brand as league starter?
Occultist Winter Orb is looking like a comfortable starter. Turns out it doesn't need the Void Battery + Badge + HH setup to feel good.
Good to know. Don't like the WO playstyle personally.
Im alternating between poison conc pathfinder, storm brand inquis and soulrend occu, i really wanna play storm brand but i dont trust myself
Heyo nice Vid! Is there any good build/pob for explosive traps?
Is there a good build guide for the Explosive Trap Saboteur, someone could recommend to me?
How about Soulrend Trickster with self-curse Temporal Chains?
I'm definitely going Corrupting Fever, just so comfortable.
Can you do ubers with that? Last time I played CF was before all that. Mapping was S+++ (before archnem) and bossing was like B or A tier with a good amt of investment
@@JTD472 Rue was saying he was doing them with that (IDK budget, though), and he has been whining for a bit that they fixed a bug that un-nerfed it by ~30% (because it was harder for him than it needed to be).
@@JTD472 it's not the best bosser. Even with 1k ex gear you will be stuck around 3-6mill dps. (with the immortal poets pen verson i played last league). I stacked defense though. 7k life, 90 res, 3,500 hp/sec, 200k armor/ev, suppression cap.... Could easily facetank Ubers, but it didnt kill them fast. The Squire version has a lot more single target, and I think I'll go for that this time.
Funny I just finished a test run for RF Inquis to see if I still hate it. The answer is yes.
Yeah, very good build, not for everyone, not for me
Which starters would u recommend for hc trade?
Is the hateforge VLS build still playable? I thought they changed something about cooldown reduction that broke it?
@Sirgog what do you think about absolution guardian as a league start? Absolution received quite a buff (base crit and aoe) and guardian was pretty good to play it since 3.17 or even earlier patches. Will new minion nodes completely change viability of this build?
ill be starting as soulrend trickster. i think polymath averages out the dps compared to occultist and you get sooo much more QoL and sustain. i also consider the starting location way better and getting the 3rd curse on trickster is not that hard aswell. only thing you miss is profane bloom
you did not recommended trickster for Lighting Strike, I was thinking it could be good as an ES version using the Soul Drinker.
Yeah there's nothing wrong with Trickster for it other than the starting location on the tree being a bit worse. You'll be able to make it work.
Love this painting or wallpaper on intro, where do i get it?
The paint splatter? It's from Microsoft Powerpoint of all things, there's a feature where it suggests ~30 layouts with artwork & I picked one that was eye catching
Nice list. I plan to play none of those lol. Gonna go popcorn SRS instead. What's your opinion of that build? And any guides you'd recommend?
How does Hateforge work when you can't gain rage after using a Vaal Skill?
Great video! And what do you think about builds like SRS, poison animated weapons or cyclone?
I miss Cyclone!
@@fumblefungus1061 m2 :( that's why im asking
isnt boneshatter jugg nerved this league? (due to jugg changes)
Edit: nvm. untiring is still the way to go
Nah Jugg is better than ever, though some changes will be needed
A bit offtopic Sirgog, but what do you think about the latest change GGG made to items you are selling, regarding the last item that you received a whisper for being highlighted in your stash tab? I absolutely love this!!! So many times I'll have tons of jewels that I'm selling and it's a pain in the ass to count or find out which one they did a whisper on.... Great quality of life change!
Will be good IF they improve it before launch. Just QAing my day 17 roundup vid now, that'll be mentioned
Feature as previewed wasn't finished but they are fixing it.
@@sirgog awesome! when you say fixing it, maybe making it brighter with maybe a thicker width or something?
In the past I have gone Absolution transitioning to skele mages, but I think in this I will stick with Absolution.
Rf Inq is by FAR my best build easily. It was Toxic Rain Champion but RF clears so much better and playstyle is so stress free, definitely my fav way to play the game. I usually get my character to level 90-92 only my Toxic Rain Champ & RF Inquistor are higher at 94 & 97 respectively. Still stuck at 2 voidstones tho and My RF is the only character that's killed shaper. I want to build a boss killer but I can't find a good guide (don't have a pc so can't use pob) Pohx is probably why my RF Inquistor is doing so well and nobody is making a boss killer guide anywhere near as good as his guides.
I’m starting explosive trap raider. Lol
Should be fine
@@sirgog I've killed all bosses and the speed from onslaught makes mapping very smooth (on league start tester). No complaints so far for my first ever "homebrew" build. I'll also be playing with an Aura Stacker so.... shouldn't have much of a problem with any content?
Thank you for this video. Any recommended build guides or POB for Boneshatter Juggernaut?
This was a friend's build at the time he took down Uber Shaper after a couple dozen Simulacrum runs: pastebin.com/MUr3sMks (3.18, some things will likely change)
This is not a leaguestart setup though, more an aspirational setup for ~40 hours /played. I'd need to seriously plan a better way to start it.
Any chance you'll Release a League Start pob before tonight?
Which forbidden jewel for ranger causes shock prolif? Am i missing something here?
Fury of Nature (not on any tree): Non-Damaging Elemental Ailments you inflict spread to nearby enemies in a radius of 20. Non-Damaging Elemental Ailments you inflict have 100% more Effect
@@sirgog oh wow i never thought about those hidden ones! Good catch
LS Trickster looks good aswell.
Going into Soulrend trickster. Occ is obvioulsy better but the new Trickster look fun as hell. If this not work shitching to bv poison or something like this
I wanted to run Soulrend Trickster a week ago, but after seeing the Trickster overview I felt I could only recommend hit-based builds on the ascendancy now
any viable uber bosser for ssf?
Personally I'll be doing absolution because I missed out on scourge leagues nutty negative res
Oh yeah this league will have a lot to offer there
Nice, I was actually thinking of going Viperstrike Pathfinder to start this season. Maybe I should look at the Occultist version?
Still looks to be a top tier boss killer, considering non nerfed Nightblade support.
And no one has mentioned it so gear may be less expensive to come by
Played this once, loved it! They did nerf it pretty harshly in recent updates, so be warned, it will probably stall out for a while in yellow maps and really need some investment.
@@Real_extra_1 hey tx for the input. I've never played this build before and considering I team w my brother at league start I thought Id go for more of a boss killer while he creates a 'clear' character
Can anyone recommend an SSF starter than can beat Eater and Exarch for the stones while being a fast mapper so I can farm currency and uniques for later builds?
I would love to run an Arc/Conduit build but idk if it can kill bosses. Arc sux big time with bossing so I think it probably wont work for my goals
Nice video! Any reason you only mentioned jugg boneshatter and not slayer or zerker? Slayer was way more popular in ssf sentinel.
Slayer should still be better for softcore, more damage. Jugg maybe an option for hardcore
when you say that boneshatter jugger can facetank pinnacle bosses, Why the build is not more popular if it can do that?. Any build guide to follow?
Here's the build a friend used - when they stood on Uber Shaper degen ground and ate a beam from one clone, balls from another and slam from the third. pastebin.com/MUr3sMks - it's changed a little, but nothing overwhelming.
There's massive ramping required to get 'rolling' with the maximum DPS potential
So exsanguinate is still insane?
It's unchanged and pretty solid
I have been using explosive trap for ages super strong skill! Wondering if poison seismic has been affected i know the phys damage has been hit hard but would poison still be viable? Are you able to make a video on some ssf build ideas im all out of creativity
Poison has lost as much as the hit/crit Seismic builds.
@@sirgog Cheers grog i might just go ls raider or something cruisy. Do you play ssf at all?
Any viable PoBs or guides to soulrend ?
Working on one at the moment. Well, taking a break from it right now
@@sirgog nice! Cant wait to see it, cuz imo most soulrend buildguides i've seen so far are kinda clunky. Enjoy the break :)
100% was going bane, id love to see how you add soulrend to this
Hey! Bane occultist is such a strong starter by itself, I played Bane/essence drain occultist a couple leagues for my starter. Have you seen Subtractem's guides on Bane? If not I can reccomend them. Good luck on your league start
@@Joegengstah thank you i have seen them which is what got me to go that route. Hope you have a good league as well.
Nice video but where the pob?
iv yet to try hiest, any build recommendations?
New trickster looks tailor-made; movespeed, massive life recovery and more.
I’m going poisonous concoction pathfinder
It's crazy how people think seismic is dead, it's just not op anymore. It's still very much playable and capable.
And how do you get sustainable 50 mil dps on boneshatter? I’m planning to start it I can only get 10 mil on the high end. Around 100 ex.
pastebin.com/MUr3sMks was the friend's 3.18 build that sat in the 50m range during realistic 100% delirious mapping conditions (400 trauma). Requires Ashes (26% or better) to be that good.
@@sirgog i guess in really specific conditions, the ramp up must be a nightmare.
where can i find the boneshatter build?
A friend played this last league: th-cam.com/video/CWPvP4ST0AA/w-d-xo.html
DO NOT leaguestart with this setup unless you are a very experienced player - I'd get to level 85 with a different setup.
@@sirgog thank you
Any chance to support a Soulrend PoB? :)
Here's where I am now, but this is a work in progress and may change with playtesting: pastebin.com/9JSmHutF
@@sirgog thanks!
"die occasionally..." those words made my heart hurt :( no rips :P
Why do you think Skelly Mages is totally dead? I def don't expect it to be as good as 3.18, but still expected it to be good with more investment
Lost the 50% more damage on the gem
Cyclone still good? Last played few years ago
Pure phys? Not as a "starter". Requires lots of currency to be really solid. That said. That's my default build. But I'm okay with being mediocre.
Every bloody league I'm completely lost for leaguestart...
but for real occy soulrend just sounds soooooooo much fun i seriously cant decide if i want to start that as something new and enjoy my soulrend agai nafter sooooooooon long and get to test and enjoy explosion occy for once but idkkkkkkk i also dont know if i wanna invest in CI gear hahahahaha~ buuuuuuuut that or EA HIit raider or either on trickster later on for a reroll yepyepyepyepyepyepyepyepyep
Inquisitor traps feels absolutely terrible if you're used to sab qol
How Lightning strike was nerfed except removing recombinators?
Monsters running away from you were sometimes getting hit 3 times, now it will be 2. Didn't come up much
Someone above also said the new maps they added are all terrible for the skill, while many of the ones they removed were pretty great for it. I had to cross it off my list based on that (sadly, bc I have yet to play it, and this might be its last heyday league).
The real nerf to lightning strike was the change to the map rotation. all the maps that they rotated back in are basically cancer for the skill while they basically removed all it's best layout maps lol
I will play trickster this league. Likely Soulrend but while leveling but will no doubt use ED and Bane as well.
Might socket the new lightning skills a while to try them out.
Of course after your mention that trickster lacks dot synergy that chaos dot preference is likely to change at endgame.
cheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeer~ honestly gonan be a TONNNNNN of awsoem starts, and im suuuuuuuper interested to see what ends up beign really good incase i need a reroll hahaha~ honestly though i cant wait to play something soulrend with occy or trickster if things look good when people test it, i cant wait to play anything with trickster, and i cant wait to just get a good mapping t16 grinding build that i can optomize to my play style~ dunno how ill struggle ot survive campaign leveling but cant wait cheeeeeeers
ALSOOOOOOOO i know its a little hilarious and perhaps not overly meta, but mannnnnnnn im sooooooooooooooo happy for EA HIT version! tons of cool room and raider is suuuuuuuuper relaxing for just generic defenses and easy gearing SUPER early on for my first few days along until im atLEAST able to build up more gear and crafting supplies for another build coooooooooooooooooool