This is why so many gamers are hating on Concord.

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  • @CDCaptainFalcon
    @CDCaptainFalcon 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1978

    It’s hysterical that the act of not buying or even playing a game is now somehow offensive to these companies and journalists.

    • @BlackPaperMoon18
      @BlackPaperMoon18 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +120

      @@CDCaptainFalcon yeah and bcs of that they cant even learn from their mistakes. Its somehow our fault we dont like their games. We are allways wrong in their eyes.

    • @ismailforconi5299
      @ismailforconi5299 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +60

      @@waynehenry127 no One owe you to buy your product, it's your job to do a good work and sell it well, your logic is backwards

    • @ismailforconi5299
      @ismailforconi5299 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      @@waynehenry127 not really, I can tell if something will be in my taste range or not, if something looks ugly or not, for example this game looks really ugly and uninspired, I didn't have to play it to understand that, monetization is another thing you don't have to play to know, also, you have TH-cam, to see if the gameplay suit your taste, see, you don't actually NEED to play something to have an educated opinion on it

    • @ismailforconi5299
      @ismailforconi5299 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      @@waynehenry127 how else should you know what to buy and what not to buy, listen it's ok to give something a chance, but the presentation and the cover of the book are really important that's why if you didn't even put the minimum amount of effort in presenting what you are selling chances are you are not selling a good product

    • @lilpeepo3760
      @lilpeepo3760 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ⁠​⁠@@waynehenry127I get what your saying but other person is right first off judging a book by it’s cover is a bad ideology see Concord has already open the book up with the Trailer we all seen what was there from the get go , guess what it came out people tried it and most people thought it’s meh game when I seen the trailer I (haven’t played the game) I thought wow what massive boring game there making I haven’t played it but I didn’t need to that’s what trailers are for to grab our attention show us what the game is all about and convince us to buy it if customer isn’t Satisfied by what they seen that’s wraps brother I think point your making is right but it’s flawed aswell your basically saying if you hadn’t bought the game you can’t judge it like in detail which is far from the truth I wouldn’t say that person that hasn’t played the game including me has the best opinion why the game doesn’t work but I have opinion why the game didn’t catch me and why I didn’t even purchase it in the first place usually I Call live service game a flop at release if they mess it up

  • @wardaddyhunt622
    @wardaddyhunt622 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +619

    I hate the it's not for you argument. If it's not for like 90% of people don't be mad when no one buys it

    • @keepitclean8791
      @keepitclean8791 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +56

      It's currently at 26 players on Steam, it's hilarious

    • @nameofthegame9664
      @nameofthegame9664 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@keepitclean8791 they are pulling the plug on Friday and refunding everyone who bought it.

    • @xxsebastianxxalej
      @xxsebastianxxalej 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      This comment aged so well 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

    • @Crit4
      @Crit4 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      I don’t disagree. However I think it’s worth noting that there is a big difference between not buying a game and hating on a game. Not that Concord doesn’t deserve the flak - it’s a contrived piece of garbage.

    • @mrbust999
      @mrbust999 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Crit4so hating games is bad now? You just hated it by calling it garbage.

  • @Arcademan09
    @Arcademan09 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1155

    "it's not for you!"
    Exactly, then that means I'm free to not play or pay for it

    • @JaBBerSmack
      @JaBBerSmack 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

      That kind of opinion is so infuriating. What small subgroup of people is it for in that case? Is there enough of a population there to warrant sequestering your game?

    • @lobstrosity7163
      @lobstrosity7163 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

      Not/for/you

    • @Arcademan09
      @Arcademan09 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +82

      @wintersky4552 right but they act shocked when no one plays it *and they keep doing it* , they're trying to force this and it's never going to work, it's also never their own money at risk so they never suffer the consequences of failure

    • @powpowouchy5
      @powpowouchy5 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      @wintersky4552well if they “whined” about a game that they were gonna play anyway, you’d still have a problem. There’s nothing wrong with expressing your opinion even if it’s not positive. It’s called consumer feedback.

    • @muhammadghazy8
      @muhammadghazy8 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@Arcademan09 who is forcing you?

  • @Arcademan09
    @Arcademan09 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2020

    *MAYBE* most gamers wouldn't be hostile towards these games if these games creators don't immediately attack gamers for not accepting their trash day 0

    • @daMillenialTrucker
      @daMillenialTrucker 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +159

      exactly, i saw one of the developers talk about how bad 'white men' are and thats when i made the decision to not support the game.

    • @Whatsausername44
      @Whatsausername44 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@daMillenialTrucker white men do suck though

    • @charlieinslidell
      @charlieinslidell 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +108

      It's the very same discourse going on with the big movie and TV series industries. Some bullshit being produced, critics give appallingly high ratings for it, audience sees through the bullshit, and the creators blame the audience for not liking their vision.

    • @thomasfroat4668
      @thomasfroat4668 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@daMillenialTrucker white men are roughly 80 percent of gamers in the west. Crazy that they'd commit seppuku like that

    • @PerfectFitGE8
      @PerfectFitGE8 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Attack gamers how?

  • @nandoman4769
    @nandoman4769 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +107

    The problem with this argument is that the game wasn’t made for anyone at all. It was made for everyone’s wallet.

  • @joshwent
    @joshwent 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +318

    "If you don't like it, don't play it.", doesn't really stand up to reason in an industry that's built around desperately chasing trends.

    • @kevinconley7429
      @kevinconley7429 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Every game that isn’t an original IP in a genre is chasing a trend, some of the best games come from following a blueprint aka a trend. Concord is something gamers have been asking for a live service game that doesn’t fucked them. But all of a sudden we care about 40 dollars price point.

    • @will.roman-ros
      @will.roman-ros 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

      ​@@kevinconley7429if we rewind the clock, games were $20 when minimum wage has been the same. Games used to have SP, MP, map editors and bot battles. Now you're going to pay $40 for just one mode, to compete with free games who also have it. It's not as simple as you are making it out to be. If they are charging $40 and competing with a free game, then you'd at least expect more content, or something, than the free game.
      Like at least R6 has terrorist hunt. The older games had splitscreen co-op, so are arguably more bang for the buck. So the trend is a decline in content. Games used to have content that players could use to make their own content. The idea of Halo 3's forge was not new, it's just that the way the UI was implemented was pretty cutting edge. And it's no wonder Halo 3 took the world by storm. If we compare Halo 3 to Concord, that's $20 more dollars, but maybe 100 times the content. So if you lived through that, how can Concord be exciting at all?

    • @DaOverman00
      @DaOverman00 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@kevinconley7429 The point is it's worse than other games in the same genre that may be free or cheaper, or if more expensive actually have communities...not 73 people or whatever the steam charts said.

    • @kevinconley7429
      @kevinconley7429 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@DaOverman00 if you played the game and came away from it that is a completely bad game to play then I’m got nothing to say to you. My point is the people who have played it stayed it was a good/fun game but complain about the price point or that the genre is over saturated. In a free to play game every new character come with a price tag of as with valorant and apex legends which will run you 10 bucks per character so if you want or like more than four your pretty much the equivalent of the forty dollars of concord. That’s my main point people complaining about the price of something just today I’m just going buy a game in which buy the characters you like will but you over 40. Overwatch 2 is the only other game where the characters are free and that only after season 10.

    • @CultureCrossed64
      @CultureCrossed64 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@kevinconley7429 hey, if you want to pay $40 for something no one else wants, that's on you.
      We already have overwatch 2. It sucks. Why would we want... another overwatch 2?

  • @travisvanalst4698
    @travisvanalst4698 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +144

    The main discourse amongst gamers for games can be boiled down to this:
    Company: “my game isn’t for you, don’t play it.”
    Me: “ok cool, I won’t”
    Company: “this is an outrage.”
    Also…
    Company: “be sincere and give us actual criticism and feedback”
    Me: “your mechanics are clunky, the engine is buggy, and the characters just aren’t that compelling”
    Company: “Bigot”

    • @horrablecorps5947
      @horrablecorps5947 หลายเดือนก่อน

      In fact in your second example, you don't, give feedback. Like "characters aren't completing" ok but that's an opinion and that's your opinion
      Not an argument. But I get it, the industries of video games are like any other industry she has to make her sell, and if they don't get their sell, they gonna be upset, but on people who litteraly keep this thing alive.

    • @Welpthisucks
      @Welpthisucks หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@horrablecorps5947 you didn’t read it right. The word you used was “completing” means to bring something to a point where nothing can be done to make it better or to complete test with time left over . The word he uses was “compelling” this means to evoking interest, attention, or admiration in a powerfully. irresistible way. They way you said changed the argument and isn’t what he said rethink your statement with this knowledge

    • @amandap7733
      @amandap7733 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What part of clunky and buggy isn't feedback?

    • @Jaguar21010
      @Jaguar21010 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@horrablecorps5947all you can do is argue for your opinion and your opinion holds more merit depending on how many people agree with it and how good your argument is. What are you on about? 😂

    • @horrablecorps5947
      @horrablecorps5947 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Jaguar21010 our opinion ≠ a opinion who have sense
      Like you can hate the BEST game of the world and you can love the "worst"
      It's a point of view on the game
      Not something that the developers can use to upgrade no shit
      Are you getting it ??
      Like I'm not English (obviously)so i sure don't explain this the right way

  • @sharzinlalebazri5673
    @sharzinlalebazri5673 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +95

    And here is a simpler explanation: The characters are all unappealing. I'm not even talking exclusively about sex appeal, I'm saying that not a single character has ANY sort of appeal. Concord doesn't have a cool character, it doesn't have a badass character, it doesn't have a sexy character, it doesn't have a cute character, it doesn't have a chilling character, none of the characters have ANY charisma.

    • @joet7136
      @joet7136 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      @@sharzinlalebazri5673 Generic and inoffensive as possible. Modern entertainment in a nutshell.

    • @Mgauge
      @Mgauge 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +40

      The best description of them I've seen is "they look like the results of hitting the Randomize button in character creation screen".

    • @arlequin241
      @arlequin241 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      ​@@Mgauge 😂 yes

    • @boitmecklyn4995
      @boitmecklyn4995 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      you have one character with a literal target rich opportunity on their face.

    • @Noahs_Chair
      @Noahs_Chair 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      It has Netflix adaptation uncanny valley. So yeah, the exact opposite of appeal.

  • @sooubic
    @sooubic 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +706

    A very graceful way to handle the statement

    • @WegaBoy
      @WegaBoy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Nah he just proved their point. This was an independent studio at first that formed to make this. Sony nor any other big corporation made them do it and the game is actually really fun. Again, if it isn’t for you then just move on and play something else. That simple.

    • @mattmark94
      @mattmark94 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +22

      A very spineless way

    • @mixemup.
      @mixemup. 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +19

      @@mattmark94u unironically used that word

    • @TRPDK
      @TRPDK 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

      I don't know why people still listening to him after his take on HD2 psn drama. This guy is like Actman, spineless.

    • @luklukk711
      @luklukk711 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TRPDKDude stfu omg act man is spinless or this guy is spineless after rhey say something u disagree with jesus christ

  • @ultimateDOOMPOOL
    @ultimateDOOMPOOL 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +101

    Not buying a product is not harassment. The current leadership of the gaming industry disagree. They think that they own OUR money regardless of the slop that they produce.

  • @MrOverHeels
    @MrOverHeels 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +53

    My problem with the "Isn't for them" statement is that it implies that your product has a specific target audience, not everyone. Meaning the headcount would be smaller. You can't get mad at anyone outside your target audience when you player number is low.

    • @jesuszamora6949
      @jesuszamora6949 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Well, I'm going to assume Jake isn't one of the devs.

  • @Mattznick
    @Mattznick 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +260

    God forbid anyone has standards for their video games....but you are correct everyone is tired of the hero shooter as it's been the meta along with extraction shooters. Gee it's like when every company puts out the same thing that unique thing becomes basic

    • @shrtrnd6706
      @shrtrnd6706 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      Yeah, seeing the trailer I thought "oh this looks like a guardians of the galaxy type story game" and then the trailer continued and I thought "oh heeeeell no".
      This game is gonna crash and burn, the studio will be closed and another great opportunity to make a great game will be wasted.

    • @chaotikfox3120
      @chaotikfox3120 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

      @@shrtrnd6706 Fr I think a borderlands style game for this would have been really cool. It fits the hero looter shooter thing that everyone is liking right and the cast of characters seem funny even though they’re a guardians of the galaxy rip.

    • @arieson7715
      @arieson7715 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I actually don't understand. I don't remember a hero shooter that's dropped recently besides Overwatch.

    • @powpowouchy5
      @powpowouchy5 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@arieson7715 marvel rivals comes to mind

    • @BlackPaperMoon18
      @BlackPaperMoon18 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      And they play victim card all the time. Theres allways something wrong with us and not with the game. And bcs of that they'll never learn.

  • @MIKE_THE_BRUMMIE
    @MIKE_THE_BRUMMIE 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +256

    The 700 or so people that signed the petition for season 2 of acolyte are the same 700 people who played this game.

    • @Minecrafter_2001
      @Minecrafter_2001 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      The Acolit is reli good.

    • @MIKE_THE_BRUMMIE
      @MIKE_THE_BRUMMIE 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +21

      @@Minecrafter_2001 🤣

    • @markwheeler4245
      @markwheeler4245 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

      I've said all along the noisy few are exactly that... few but loud. It's time for corporations to realise that

    • @MIKE_THE_BRUMMIE
      @MIKE_THE_BRUMMIE 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@markwheeler4245 bolshevists haha

    • @557deadpool
      @557deadpool 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Minecrafter_2001 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 no it wasn't

  • @Yourfat247
    @Yourfat247 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I’m tired of people defending a game and it’s developers when they attack and disrespect the (potential too) fans

    • @Super2027
      @Super2027 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Yourfat247 source?

  • @fitolothegriffin556
    @fitolothegriffin556 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +270

    Tbh, you nailed it on the head. Personally, if the game was free to play I would've given it a shot or at least wouldn't have had such a harsh view. But nothing I've seen nor heard from this game is worth 40$

    • @GameoftheYear-fx4mq
      @GameoftheYear-fx4mq 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

      Game won't even come out anyways, it's not like anyone is gonna be able to spend money on it

    • @christonchev9762
      @christonchev9762 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      y no SP Mode no WOW factor and its costing 40$ when a game like COD costs 60 $ on PC but it has MP+SP Mode and the game dates from 2004

    • @zip3704
      @zip3704 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +18

      Its not free to play. lmao. yeah thats dead or arrival

    • @Sauvva_
      @Sauvva_ 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      @@zip3704 i never played overwatch 1 because it was multiplayer only, i tried overwatch 2 because they promissed pve and then decided to not do that

    • @makani9004
      @makani9004 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

      See, I'd much rather pay for a complete game, I assume Free To Play games are really going to go after my wallet. Overwatch was a much better value for 60 dollars than OW2 is for free.

  • @AnonymousVenator
    @AnonymousVenator 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    "I thought it looked fun"
    Ok, are you actually playing it? And if you are, there's clearly not enough people who think like you considering the money and time Concord used.

    • @amandap7733
      @amandap7733 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      "I thought it looked fun" directly translates to "I'm not actually going to play it" (My source is me saying a year ago "Wow Suika Game looks fun" and never playing it)

  • @netgodzilla1
    @netgodzilla1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +207

    They make the game for themselves, modern audience. Unfortunately, modern audience gamers are only small number

    • @trawll8659
      @trawll8659 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +26

      not even, modern audience doesn't exist. It's proven at almost every turn that the main demographic of gamers hasn't changed since arcade times and they simply don't like that fact.

    • @alejosssdo
      @alejosssdo 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      what's that supposed to mean

    • @steveqi9309
      @steveqi9309 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@alejosssdoop is probably a participant of the current culture war.

    • @mchahaha123
      @mchahaha123 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      @netgodzilla1 modern audience only exist in forums, but not paying

    • @zalybrainlessgenius503
      @zalybrainlessgenius503 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      "modern audience" is just children who will play whatever because they don't yet pay for their games 😂

  • @clover4925
    @clover4925 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +141

    Definitely handled that better then i wouldve

  • @dotfflan
    @dotfflan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Blah blah blah blah
    Game looks boring, game looks slow, characters are cringe
    Simple as

    • @JordanRA
      @JordanRA 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Is overwatch but worse and costs $40, not free. 😂

  • @elsquibbs
    @elsquibbs 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    "If you don't like it, don't buy it."
    Not buying it is now a h8 crime.

  • @santiagoherrera1853
    @santiagoherrera1853 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +68

    Concord doesn’t look bad, it looks quite polished, pretty and well designed, but the problem is that it doesn’t look unique in any way, it looks a lot like so many other games in the same genre that have tried to copy the success of games like Overwartch and Fortnite, they didn’t show anything that would make it stand out from any other game in it’s genre, in fact it just blends in which is a death sentence for a LSG, doesn’t help is not free either

    • @TheItalianMafias
      @TheItalianMafias 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I mean there’s a lot of games that are inspired by other games or something but this game isnt bad so far and having a blast with it unlike cod or other big games from big ass devs who doesn’t give a shit about their fan base

    • @Lukeocyte
      @Lukeocyte 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

      Exactly! It’s not bad per say, it’s just generic and thus unworthy of a $40 price tag

    • @nicorobin7762
      @nicorobin7762 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      well designed? lol

    • @imiaze5546
      @imiaze5546 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      Don't lie bro it's bad

    • @-_slug_-
      @-_slug_- 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Corporate analytics guys, all of those games you mentioned are following the same corporate analytics. Soulless products meant to squeeze money out of people.

  • @jdraven0890
    @jdraven0890 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I hate the idea that we're all just getting on the hate bandwagon for no reason. "It looks like fun" is a common and weak defense.

  • @Keerth1
    @Keerth1 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    End of “Concord” game from 6th September 2024
    Fastest shutdown

  • @yourvenparianen5390
    @yourvenparianen5390 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    if it's not for people...then who is it for, the 60 people playing could not make up for the 200 million cost lmfao they are delusional

    • @JordanRA
      @JordanRA 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I was just thinking that myself. Concord was not for ANYONE. Like they struggled in open beta to get players (When the game is free) so how can anyone expect on release for people to be jumping over eachother to spend $40 on a worse overwatch clone?

    • @amandap7733
      @amandap7733 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I'll add to this month old comment to say that it recently came out that it was actually $400 million

  • @paulrietveld9837
    @paulrietveld9837 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +139

    I get tired of low standard, casual fans that suck up any piece of garbage that comes out.
    Edit: Casual maybe wasn't the right word. I meant more about people who blindly defend games like this saying "it's not even out yet", when consumers can see the writing on the wall and know it's just gonna be more corporate, micro transaction filled garbage instead of a quality product consumers actually enjoy.

    • @Ajay-kz9ns
      @Ajay-kz9ns 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

      I mean..... That's what casual means. Not everyone want a dark souls or csgo or rainbow six seige. Some just wanna kick back and relax. It's that simple mate🤷

    • @Mattznick
      @Mattznick 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      ​@@Ajay-kz9nsi get what you are trying to say but you can play any game casually, hell some people take ranked modes casually

    • @paulrietveld9837
      @paulrietveld9837 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@Ajay-kz9ns Lol that's not this game though 😂

    • @MisterIncog
      @MisterIncog 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +24

      @@Ajay-kz9ns i think they meant casual as the level of attachment to videogames. Like with any art, you can consume it casually (like watching what new movies come out just to watch some movie) or… idk, not casually, whatever is the opposite of casual (look for value, analyze, see and appreciate or depreciate the impact etc).
      So when you’re fine with slop as a casual consumer… like it’s not morally wrong I don’t think so, but it does feel annoying to more invested gamers bc you directly support the industry getting worse just because you don’t fully appreciate what a game can be. And I know that sounds really snobbish, but it is a feeling founded in something that kinda sorta true.
      I personally don’t really put an emphasis on this particular aspect, I think we still have plenty of great games (so much that I already don’t think I can play all the games I want throughout my entire life), but I can see where the idea is coming from.

    • @Gman-eu8wk
      @Gman-eu8wk 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      ​@@Ajay-kz9nsThat's definitely not what casual is.

  • @pir8prod
    @pir8prod 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Concord isnt for anyone.

  • @JohnDoe-pt7ru
    @JohnDoe-pt7ru 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +37

    Because it's trash. The end.
    Look at the player count. Hardly anyone else likes it.

    • @PerfectFitGE8
      @PerfectFitGE8 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Did you pkay it.

    • @Zipperskull_
      @Zipperskull_ 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@PerfectFitGE8Right, like this dude is just some poser to gaslight a game he never played.

    • @cbbblue8348
      @cbbblue8348 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@FigsOfFury I saw so many copers said "All 100k players are in PS5!!! My 500 friends and family are playing concord on ps5 right now!!!!"

    • @throbbingfellow1136
      @throbbingfellow1136 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Zipperskull_ Why would he spend his hard earned money on a game that looks, at best, painfully mediocre and derivative?

    • @klebyell
      @klebyell 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@FigsOfFury tbh guys like you only have opinions of what you see youtubers saying. Amazing you can know so much about a game nobody apparently played? Not saying its good but certainly a disproportionate level of hate spear headed by influencers

  • @orkodork2764
    @orkodork2764 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +27

    These new hero shooters (concord, frag punk and I think there was one more that was recently revealed) don’t look promising at all. Like u said it just looks like more of the same. At least a game like overwatch has extremely unique character designs and abilities. These new titles just look bland.

    • @tiredman99
      @tiredman99 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Suicide squad perhaps?

    • @orkodork2764
      @orkodork2764 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@tiredman99 kill the justice league? Didn’t that game flop really hard?

    • @bustanut5501
      @bustanut5501 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@orkodork2764 I think he was trying to name the game that you couldn't remember the name of, but KTJL already released.

    • @tiredman99
      @tiredman99 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@orkodork2764 yeah thought you were talking about hero shooters coming out or released recently

    • @orkodork2764
      @orkodork2764 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@tiredman99 i see what u were saying now. kill the justice league is a pve game tho so it’s a little different. Still a good example of live service garbage tho

  • @Emj2679
    @Emj2679 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +14

    Simple "Hey, we don't like the game it needs fixing" them. "Shut up, your racist!"... why are so many people mad at our game?

  • @WhisperingAila
    @WhisperingAila 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +9

    I mean, I get tired of seeing these suits whip the backs of devs to make another uninspired "product". Also, "looked" fun implies it wasn't played...

  • @EmberQuill
    @EmberQuill 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I think at least part of it is a general frustration with the industry as a whole, compounded by developers and publishers being horribly tone-deaf when interacting with their audience. If Sony hadn't canceled games people were looking forward to in favor of this live service junk, Concord would've been a much quieter failure. If one of the developers hadn't taken to X to call people who didn't like the game "talentless freaks," I think people wouldn't be clowning on it so much. If gaming news had maybe been a bit less horribly biased then this news would have died down already. People derive joy from the failure of people they don't like, and the AAA games industry has one of the most antagonistic relationships with its audience that I've ever seen, perhaps only rivaled by how much hatred Disney and the Star Wars fandom have for each other.
    When the disdain for their core audience is not only dripping from every aspect of the game design but also outright proven by the words of people responsible for the game, it just fuels the fire of discontent.

  • @sabola1274
    @sabola1274 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Game devs are artists but are treated like slaves to make bland money farms by executives and shareholders. Why would I praise a game I know has no soul and is boring?

  • @voidax99
    @voidax99 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +6

    Problem is games are being made for 7% of the population and a majority of thise groups don't even like or play games they just like to hear their idealogies regurgitation over and over into echo chambers and the rest of us are tired of hearing it when it has nothing to do with us.

    • @JordanRA
      @JordanRA 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Thank you. Someone with a level head 😂

  • @Mikalent
    @Mikalent 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    "I get tired of the internet erupting whenever a game isn't for them." Then I ask, genuinely, who is this game for? It's not for the Hero PVP crowd because they have Overwatch and Valorent, it's not for the casual crowd due to the above games and Team Fortress 2, it's not for the twitch gameplay PVP crowd because it's too slow, it's not for the slow PVP crowd because they have rainbow 6, and the game is too open.
    "It's for the 'modern audience'!" The issue is that "modern audience", has never shown up, KTJL was purpose built from the ground up for the "Modern audience" and nobody came, Saints Row reboot was built from the ground up for the "modern audience" and it went away within a week, and dismantled Volition within a year, "Skull and Bones" was made for a "modern audience" and we all know what happened to that game.
    So genuinely, I ask, who was Concord made for? Because it's not doing anything new or unique, and all the target audiences have other games that they don't have to pay $70(now $40) to play, and that is shown by the closed and open Beta numbers, with the highest player count being in the mid 2,000s down to 300, while Overwatch maintains a player count of 70k daily.

    • @Madaseter
      @Madaseter 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Modern Audience but it doesn't exist 😂

  • @skyyoung592
    @skyyoung592 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +12

    People don't want a hero pvp shooter that's why lol gamers can be bad but I hate this like shifting the blame to "oh it's just haters" so we ignore the real complaints, it's not that it's not fun it's that we have Overwatch and Val and siege 6 and CSGO and COD and they are shoving stuff down our throats gamers literally are saying we don't want

    • @khursaadt
      @khursaadt 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      CSGO and CoD aren't hero shooters, but otherwise I completely agree. Every gamer that loves Concord's type of games is already invested in R6S, Overwatch, Valorant, or Destiny; It would be really hard for Concord to pull those players from the games they are heavily invested in.

    • @skyyoung592
      @skyyoung592 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@khursaadt yeah that's just on me for not saying hero shooters or other fps's lol

    • @khursaadt
      @khursaadt 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@skyyoung592 No worries :)

    • @demifolk8940
      @demifolk8940 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      how are they shoving it down ur throat? ignore the fucking game, i wouldn’t have even heard of this game or tried it out if it wasnt for the people making a big deal out of it. you’re playing right into corporate hands when you complain about a game thats not even that bad but supposedly “supports” everything wrong with the gaming industry. not saying you cant criticize it, YOU SHOULD. But telling people not to play it and using it as this weird scapegoat for how you think game dev might go but you dont really cuz you, or Luke, dont have any idea what goes in game development or marketing meetings to decide what gets funded or not.
      basically stop getting on this moral high grounds about video games and just talk equally about good and bad games. branch out and stop playing just fps games, there are so many games out there its not definitely not being shoved down ur throat

  • @Lucasjkllllop
    @Lucasjkllllop 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +205

    That superchat guy is a certified consoomer

    • @TheOnceandFutureJake
      @TheOnceandFutureJake 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +28

      Thanks bro. Always nice to see people drag you for a single opinion. ❤

    • @gorillaX1944
      @gorillaX1944 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +25

      “This guy thought a game looked good that I think looked bad so therefore he is just a CoNsOoMeR” cringe

    • @WegaBoy
      @WegaBoy 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      The irony. You’re not a special or a unique as you think.

    • @dustinliam7878
      @dustinliam7878 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +48

      ​@@TheOnceandFutureJake You ever think that the internet erupting probably means that a majority of people, or at least a sizable, paying, vocal minority dislike the product placed before them? But yeah, let's revisit this once a year has passed, and see if it fails.

    • @MoonRockF1
      @MoonRockF1 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@TheOnceandFutureJakeget off the internet if your gonna sulk about it. i’m not trynna be a dick but that’s the reality of the internet and that’s how the internet has been my entire life that i’ve been on it as well. if you don’t like people judging your opinions don’t put your opinions out there. If you don’t like the reaction of your opinion don’t look at comment sections. If you can’t do those things get off the internet while your ahead and save your mental health

  • @AggressivelyMediocre
    @AggressivelyMediocre 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Man if he's tired of gamers being mad games aren't good anymore just imagine how gamers feel. All we want are good games and all we keep getting is devs making games only the devs want.

  • @Who1776
    @Who1776 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I genuinely would not be able to tell this game apart from any other of the team hero shooters. Yeah they might be polished but it’s just a lazy and derivative game design we have seen a thousand times by now. A huge reason people didn’t like battlefield 2042 is because they tried the same operator BS that the new cods do. It’s lazy at best, incompetence at worst.

  • @ericede
    @ericede 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It is the generic ripoff version of other more popular games with the added distinction of asking for $40 up feont

  • @glens2019
    @glens2019 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Funny how folks like Luke just bend over backwards to avoid acknowledging the elephant in the room regarding content designed for a "modern audience." It's the very reason the characters were designed the way they are.

  • @lostn65
    @lostn65 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    It wasn't made for anyone, that's the problem.

  • @LilFaceVEVO
    @LilFaceVEVO 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    The internet didn't erupt it sat bac and watched concord self destruct

  • @elvickRULES
    @elvickRULES 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    It also represents PlayStation’s direction into live service slop that the vast majority of PS fans have not wanted from them (MP games like SOCOM or Twisted Metal, even Factions, sure, but not just service games for the sake of $$).
    Sony has IP that works for MP games but instead they released this and canceled more promising things that could’ve maybe worked if not being made as milk machines.
    As well as showing the trend of art design that is made to appeal to nobody. 🤷‍♂️

  • @alexforce9
    @alexforce9 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When you make a public product, you get open for criticisms and praise alike. Thats all part of the deal.

  • @flyeaglesfly6911
    @flyeaglesfly6911 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +52

    Exactly this.

  • @luisespinoza3877
    @luisespinoza3877 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    “Never seen a plus sized robot”😂😂- not my words

  • @henzoko5946
    @henzoko5946 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    Have you heard of the ESG score? Well Sony has to abide by it if it ever needs funding. This game was literally created to raise their ESG score

  • @Herowebcomics
    @Herowebcomics 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    "The game isn't for them!"
    Then who is it for?!
    The 5 people who like this bull crap?!😡
    They will not be able to make much money with games like this!😡

  • @Mantelar
    @Mantelar หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I just want a good game, no pay to win, no politics, no disrespect. If it doesn’t check those boxes, my wallet stays closed. Prices have gone up but not wages. $100 is too much to put up with anything less. If I wanted to be preached at, I’d go to church.

  • @jordanverburg7353
    @jordanverburg7353 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    So who was this game made for then. The 600 people who played it? They made a 400 million dollar game for 600 people lmao.

  • @bld9826
    @bld9826 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I hate to be seen as "Defending" Concord, but I have to contest the idea that the game was trying to "Milk its playerbase for everything they have" - the game had a classic $40 cost up-front, and that was it AFAIK. That's not the "Meta" of the industry at all, and so if we're talking about "Industry meta" I think Concord failed because it DIDN'T follow the F2P meta more than anything.
    ...Of course the real answer is that, combined with a lot of "The game doesn't look fun and the designs are ugly", but talking strictly about the meta, Concord actually subverted it by avoiding the F2P tropes that most people complain about to this day.

  • @robertb7293
    @robertb7293 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Because corporations try to leverage hostile forced positivity to turn other gamers against me, purely as a narcissistic ideological, and cynical marketing ploy, and then get angry that hostility turns out to make the surrounding discourse... hostile.

  • @amanitamuscaria5863
    @amanitamuscaria5863 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Well no, the Concord devs weren't "capable" devs. In fact they were so uncapable they had to outsource the game's development in order to get something resembling a video game.
    400 million $

  • @FBlitz97
    @FBlitz97 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Turns out the game isn't for anybody since its shutting down after only 2 weeks. Man said it looked fun but guess he didn't play it either.

  • @Anthem76
    @Anthem76 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yeah but heres the thing. They love trying to force us to like things and if we dont we get called every ist and phobe there is to make it sound like thats why dont like it. I want to like games. Games have been a hobby of mine since back in the days playing NES with my pops. There is a reason indie games are killing it now and its because its not full of corporate check points they needed to hit, its made with passion and care instead of just making money and making share holders happy.

  • @SnipingIsFun
    @SnipingIsFun 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I mean the game looks like generic trash and the characters all look like they were built in a factory building off of check boxes.

  • @italianspiderman5012
    @italianspiderman5012 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +10

    I didn’t support the game purely because of the ideology that’s present in the game, I’m not gonna be supporting racist lecturing me about morality.

    • @klebyell
      @klebyell 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      this is some snowflake reasoning

    • @alfonsomendez9787
      @alfonsomendez9787 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      ​@@klebyell Well, I think most of people nowadays are, then...

    • @peppermillers8361
      @peppermillers8361 หลายเดือนก่อน

      _What_ ideology?
      I don't think Concord would get this much flak (cannon'd) if it was made up of purely racist and salty reactionaries

  • @takh6806
    @takh6806 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    this guy have no idea

  • @arcguardian
    @arcguardian 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    He still didn't say why many don't like it

  • @harrymason-h8t
    @harrymason-h8t 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Gamers have spoken. WE DECIDE WHAT GOES! Look at wukong sales then look at this shite, NOW tell me what works and makes the money? Go make the games we want

    • @JordanRA
      @JordanRA 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      🙏

  • @SynthLizard8
    @SynthLizard8 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    There's a TON of games that's not for me, RTS's and Fighting games are ones that I'm not interested, same as this, the main contention is that it's uncreative and derivate of what people get inundated with the Marvel aesthetic.
    I'm really starting to get pissed off with these lazy deflection of "Oh, critics are just X".

  • @Hsereal
    @Hsereal 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    This is an excellent explanation of why games like Concord are getting so much hate. It reminds me of circa 2010, when the intense hate for Nickelback erupted among music fans. That group is honestly just a run-of-the-mill mediocre rock band, but certain people regard them as a warcrime against sound, because bands like them saturated the market for awhile.

  • @glados4765
    @glados4765 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    TF2 came out in 2007, 17 years ago. All classes wear the same color, yet the classes are more unique than this 2024 "AAA" game, that took 8 years and 180 million.

  • @alexander3025
    @alexander3025 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    There is one thing that sucks about gaming is that many companies go in one direction trying to chase "the next big thing" that some other company has created the trend for.
    Now we have a bunch of extraction shooters planned, combined with previous trends of unique heroes.

  • @jacobdaily5543
    @jacobdaily5543 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    You also forgot to mention the identity politics that have no place in video games.

  • @knightmare3706
    @knightmare3706 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    from the trailer I thought the game is a co-op pve campaign game, hearing that it's another hero shooter really makes me sad.

  • @jamesneese7663
    @jamesneese7663 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    And now September 3rd 2024, all said here became prophesy for what would come: epic fail and complete shutdown.

  • @Anthony-sm3tn
    @Anthony-sm3tn 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +16

    I see you left out the most damning complaints. The tone, art style, destiny mechanics, the cringe writing, pronouns for characters. A game made for a non-existent modern audience.

    • @chrishaven1489
      @chrishaven1489 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

      Character having pronouns is not really indicative of a bad game. That's indicative of partisan sensibilities being offended. It's fundmentally a silly complaint. If the game is bad, that's not gonna be the reason for it

    • @Chris-we7hh
      @Chris-we7hh 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      @@chrishaven1489 the cope lmao keep telling yourself that.

    • @mrbust999
      @mrbust999 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@chrishaven1489the pronoun thing was foisted by LGBT activists, and most game executives were made to play along with it because people were saying not having pronouns in their bio is a sign of not being an ally of the community. You are either extremely naive or extremely deceitful.

    • @alfonsomendez9787
      @alfonsomendez9787 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@chrishaven1489if it's not a problem then It wouldn't make so controversy.
      You need to understand this: You don't have the authority to put a metric or a bar that the people have To agree.
      It's not our duty to care, and not your job To do It.
      That's the society job, and YOU decided if It convince you or not.

    • @chrishaven1489
      @chrishaven1489 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@Chris-we7hh What cope? Pronouns aren't the problem. You know they're not the problem, because if you took out the pronouns, the game would still suck. If the game still sucks with or without a certain element, then the element's not the problem.

  • @Citizen-w-e-a
    @Citizen-w-e-a หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If you are going to make a game for a niche, you don't pour 400 million dollars.
    This was not for the niche.

  • @gmanrowe
    @gmanrowe 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    The character designs & voices are the most egregious thing about the game for me, for a hero shooter it’s a bad day at the office when I dislike every single character

  • @vvitch-mist20
    @vvitch-mist20 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    "I thought it looked fun" is not an excuse to hate people who complain about a game that is giving nothing, and a basic copy of other games. People have G O T to get over themselves and the shite they like

    • @muhammadghazy8
      @muhammadghazy8 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      From what I've seen and especially if you take 15 seconds to look around in the comments section of this video, it's definitely the other way around, people are flaming this guy saying he enjoyed the game and no one forced you guys to like it
      I'm pretty neutral about the game cuz it didn't look like anything unique but wasn't bad as well if it was free to play

    • @Jaguar21010
      @Jaguar21010 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@muhammadghazy8that's the thing. He didn't enjoy it. He never touched it. He just mentioned how it looked to him from a distance. He's defending it based on appearance and assumptions. A window shop. It's just an empty argument.

    • @Forge6007
      @Forge6007 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      And not likings gents of game is not an excuse to reside to hate those who like it

    • @Forge6007
      @Forge6007 13 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @@Jaguar21010isn’t that what everyone who hated concord did?

    • @vvitch-mist20
      @vvitch-mist20 12 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      @Forge6007
      Did you just tell me that I'm "hating" on a game. THIS COMMENT IS ON A VIDEO ON CONCORD BTW!?

  • @Bretro
    @Bretro 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is a very fair and accurate summation of the feedback given for this game. It’s the objective truth as to why people reacted the way they did, trolls excluded of course.

  • @Azzreal69
    @Azzreal69 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Yeaaaaah....its not the live service that killed Concord. It's the fact that it was made for a Very Niche community. A community that can't handle even the simplest criticism without labeling you as a "phobe" this, bigot that. These people need to keep their agendas to themselves or continue making money-pit games.
    If they want to keep making their massive foopa characters, by all means, do you. But they can't complain when it doesn't take.
    Js.

  • @pb2325
    @pb2325 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    Let’s not forget the “culture war” aspects.

  • @SUpahh100
    @SUpahh100 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Lol that man lives in ignorance theres a lot more to the story than the game being "not for them"

  • @qrimsonrex7836
    @qrimsonrex7836 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I'm so glad to see people waking up and tearing down the "it wasn't made for you/it's not even out yet" argument. Instead of blaming us, they should blame themselves for not supporting the game when it needed them.

  • @Juhno
    @Juhno หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    You can evaluate things like art and pricing of a thing even if that thing is not for you. On the other hand, I do admit that people all too easily create a cycle of hype or negativity on the internet.

  • @ommanomnom
    @ommanomnom 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "It's not for you!" Okay then, just lose 800 million dollars making a game not for me.

  • @MarzKatART
    @MarzKatART 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    These companies are making "Corporate Games " not triple AAA games. Their sole objective is to make money, not games, which sucks for us

  • @sligen
    @sligen 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "Internet erupting whenever a game isn't for them" looks like it wasn't for the majority of gamers. Which is why it lasted 14 days, consumers speak with their wallet and if you aren't making a game that the majority of the gamers wanna play. Than that game will crash and burn, but this same person would blame those the game wasn't made for. For not playing it...

  • @thefinalday5858
    @thefinalday5858 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    "I thought it looked fun"
    Brain dead or shill
    No normal person would think this looks fun

    • @Naxiwuno
      @Naxiwuno 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      That game was ok in beta, but not worth for €40

    • @thefinalday5858
      @thefinalday5858 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@Naxiwuno
      Ok = I've played better

  • @Devon-s3e
    @Devon-s3e 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    but this studio is headed by fps devs from respawn and bungie, what did you expect

  • @ChadKakashi
    @ChadKakashi 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I don’t know if the devs said this but if the devs say “this game isn’t for you” unprompted, then that game doesn’t deserve an audience.

  • @StevenSchultz-j8k
    @StevenSchultz-j8k 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    "isn't for them" my dudes, this game isn't for anyone.

  • @StrangeTICK32
    @StrangeTICK32 13 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Once games started being made as an investment is when gaming truly started to die. It’s not about making things for fun anymore with new interesting whacky ideas. It’s about chasing a cash cow to please the people who’ve never even touched a controller let alone played a video game.

  • @markcreamer6179
    @markcreamer6179 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    If they designed games for their customers instead of grinding a certain belief system in their faces, maybe they wouldn't have so much trouble. How about making two versions of the game, one for the "modern audience" and the other for the rest of us. It wouldn't cost double because one would be a derivative of the other and everyone is happy

  • @araragi-san5857
    @araragi-san5857 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +11

    Game has more pronouns than players

  • @4m2Dragon4m2
    @4m2Dragon4m2 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Everytime I hear "It wasn't made for you" all I hear is "It wasn't made for you, the majority of our customer base", then I just hear money crackling in a fire 🔥

  • @omegaturkey9249
    @omegaturkey9249 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    I love it me and my friends play a lot

  • @williebowie129
    @williebowie129 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Let me tell you something pal! I like the way you talk & you just got a sub👍🏾

  • @ApolloPlanetary
    @ApolloPlanetary 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Honest question: do we prefer free to play or paying for a game once and getting content for free? Because I was certain folks hated the free to play model and battlepasses. Or should we just get games for free?

  • @ishinomorileon
    @ishinomorileon 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "If it's not for you, don't play it" sounds like the Concord devs fail marketing courses.

  • @AE-ki3rw
    @AE-ki3rw 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    All of the characters look like the blue people from Guardians of the Galaxy

    • @peppermillers8361
      @peppermillers8361 หลายเดือนก่อน

      I think one of the gameplay videos described the designs as "discount Guardians of the Galaxy," and it described exactly what I thought.

  • @PaPaPIG653
    @PaPaPIG653 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Concord identify as : the/end 😅

  • @BoxiesAU
    @BoxiesAU 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    That's a perfect summary of this situation.

  • @canocohen4218
    @canocohen4218 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Respectful way to illustrate the issue

  • @xebatansis
    @xebatansis 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Video games should be made for video game players - no one else!

  • @Lex_Nocturna
    @Lex_Nocturna 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    They really gave us this over a Bloodborne remake

  • @michaelzhu4030
    @michaelzhu4030 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    All the reason why black myth wukong is popular

  • @csnation
    @csnation 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    Hero FPSes are boring.
    At least OW2 and Valorant are free. Even Destiny 2 if you just want to dabble in Crucible.
    This is $40 bucks. No go.