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Because it's just an incorrect list lol. Assa rogue should barely be in A tier with how dogshit it is on single target. Have fun killing any bosses in keys with assa in ur group.
ret has the most sustain type of damage due to 30 sec burst windows. as a sham player you should understand why low cd on burst means sustain type of damage...
Assa tier will be very good in m+ for sure. Specially that 4pc. I hope it doesnt catch a nerf. Although I’m sure the proc rate of vile tincture is not currently as intended. 8% application chance is awfully low, specially in ST
Did you just say healers have the lowest output??? Have you played with any priests or done any research lol. The main issue is the lack of dispell and kick.
I think ret is the only thing way way wrong here. Single target one of the lowest? Look at Sikran and Nexus Princess logs mah boi. Other thing is historically, sure scaling is not great because they were a vers class. With the new Mastery and bugfixes, now their Mastery is insanely strong so they will probably scale very well into higher gear levels without relying on cantrip effects like in the past. I realize it's early gearing now but these changes were not in the beta so no one has seen them with high gear, One thing I am 100% sure about is Ret WILL be in the highest keys early because they do the most damage of anyone right now outside of burst from Fury warrior. I do not really expect it to change with higher gear levels to be honest, but we will see I guess. 30 second class doesn't need to hold for anything, can't die, off healing for days, sac, bop. Ret is insane. It's literally superman spec. Other than that the analysis for other specs seems solid
We're talking about M+ not raid, ret is doing excellent in raid with a Single target build, but with the M+ build focusing on AOE, ret is doing really poor on ST. I'd still put ret in impressive anyway, at least above DH. I play both and DH outside of meta feels miserable, if the tank isnt pulling around my Meta i'm doing way less damage than ret overall
@@hugob8193 I mean, you don't have to take full aoe talents in M+. They are doing high boss damage and overall damage on Broodtwister as well, and on Council. I'm not saying they will be meta but to say they do low single with the m+ build is just not really accurate
@@Proverb. It is. Most of m+ is aoe and to get the best overall dmg you need aoe talents. Ret unfortunately doesn't have a good talent tree that allows a balanced st+aoe damage, like demo warlock, ele shaman or frost dk for example.
Should I just reroll from outlaw to assasination, if I want to focus on m+ this season ? I mean my goal is to reach like 2.5k rating, so maybe it doesnt really matter much ?
@@peettko At the time stamps of 11:21 & 8:23 aren't you referring to dev evoker and then destruction warlock being B tier? Phrases like "B tier or good tier", from my perspective sound alot like "Impressive or good tier". It's okay to be in B tier, it's a perspective based on data, whatever.
VDH still will be the most played tank for sure with the casters being that good. Also most tanks that I know refuse to play Guardian because is so damn boring :(
Balance druid did NOT get the buff they needed, it's around 10% ish which is not enough to make them compete but will ofc be better than what they are now but they need more buff. I also think you ranking your MAIN character abit to high. In higher keys i'm pretty sure Balance druid will be better pick than Elemental shaman.
How can you simultaneously argue that Balance didn’t get enough of a buff, but also say it will be better than one of the top performing classes? That makes no sense lol
@@mvcfitz33 Was mainly thinking about raiding with the buffs not be strong enough but boomie will be strong in keys now cus alot of aoe buffs, but yea that's my mad!
@@peettko Same way you underestimate let's say Devestation evoker and other specs ? These ranking vids are so cringe/stupid and is the main reason for making the mythic + community braindead and clueless.
this is an mythic + tier list. Not raid. Outlaw will still be at least A tier in Normal/Heroic. Sub will most likely be better in mythic raid because of the burst damage
@@m_rod9562 that's what I mean outlaw was always outperforming other rogue specs even while being worse in raid, which meaned that his single was worse, so if his single is same as aoe shouldn't it be better atm?
@@klausbucur760 once 4pc is included in the mix, the other two rogue specs will pull ahead in AoE. But outlaw m+ is easy to fix, they just need to buff Blade flurry and GGs.
@@m_rod9562 as I saw in 11.0.5 they're buffing the talent that increases 2% to 4% per mob missing health that's up to 32% more DMG in 8 targets looks kinda good tbh
@@klausbucur760 thats only a buff for targets under 8, which outlaw is already good at. The biggest issue is them being hard capped at 8 targets. Assa and sub both have uncapped aoe
95% of players…this doesn’t apply to lol can you make one for the general player? People see dev at d then don’t I. Tie them for a 12 when they pump more damage than most specs sucks.
The thing is it doesnt matter unless your the top 1%. The player makes a bigger difference. Im a WW monk and have been topping charts in raid and mythics, over mages dks etc. Everything except fury wars
Yeah, this doesn't really matter for general player base. At most key levels whatever you run is totally viable. This stuff doesn't start to matter until you get into quite high keys.
@@dr3armerwhat's accurate about it? Season hasn't even started yet. There is no meta yet, how is any of it accurate? It's literally an opinion which is worth as much as any other person's, which is to say worthless😅 Bro this content is not designed to educate you or teach you anything, TH-cam is like tv, it's designed to keep you watching, it's entertainment, none of it is accurate or a fact. The main objective is to keep you watching. If you don't believe me just look at your shorts feed and watch people bouncing a table tennis ball into a cup.
If you have been following this channel, you Will understand that this tierlist had evolved since the early days of beta back in July and has been updated every single week based on me playing m+ and testing out all dps specs. Yes m+, not heroic dungeons or m0s. This tierlist includes 4p + your best buil ds@@edinson1613
This tierlist includes 4p. They will drop their ST crown once the 4p will be acquired by the rest of the specs. Outlaw rn is topping matters too, but their 2p/4p won't increase their damage as much as the rest of the specs.
They nerfed fury again yesterday by 3%... blizzard is pissing me off so bad, it wasnt even close to META before the nerfs like holy shit they are bad at balancing
@@aidanbrown7137 in raid only.. when going pure single and you then lose your aoe.. you cant look at data in 1 single situation. It's a terrible nerf for M+.
@@peettko Still strange list. Outlaw is clearly the top rogue m+ spec according to logs, close to assa but 100% better than sub. Ret with full gear is also up there.
@@nesciusplayground Everyone has an opinion. I believe Assa Rogue > Outlaw in Mythic+ and is not even close. Outlaw is capped gamer and is lacking burst for lower level keys. I still think it would be a solid choice for high m+. Ret on the other hand, IMO is a better pick for lower/mid level keys where things die quicker due to their frontloaded burst with short offensive CDs. That's my reasoning.
Warrior doesnt have single target problems... I dont agree with B tier fury. Utility is overrated. if you have big damage you are fine and you will be gr8.
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Guys this is for M+ lol and high keys. The amount of people that cant read is crazy
We do understand but we also do not agree with some of the choices.
Frost dk, fury, demo also strong in low keys. MM /BM are garbage in any keys
Because it's just an incorrect list lol. Assa rogue should barely be in A tier with how dogshit it is on single target. Have fun killing any bosses in keys with assa in ur group.
finally assa rogue sits in the place it deserves
I know we hate Hunt BM for the AoE.... But in ST he puts a lot of class on the side.
thats exactly what he said in the video
their single target is b tier and aoe is d tier they deserve this spot just play survival until the bm re work
bm hunter on life support
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Thank you for always posting informational content like this. Looking forward to playing my ele shaman after benching him for 3 expansions
ret has the most sustain type of damage due to 30 sec burst windows. as a sham player you should understand why low cd on burst means sustain type of damage...
this man does a tier list like every other day
After every class changes, we update it. This is the final version before the 11.0.5 patch in November
If you don't like it take your candy ass somewhere else 🤡
Assa tier will be very good in m+ for sure. Specially that 4pc. I hope it doesnt catch a nerf. Although I’m sure the proc rate of vile tincture is not currently as intended. 8% application chance is awfully low, specially in ST
Great Job!
Ret st dmg is above average atm. i dont understand why alla streamers are saying that is really low. also with m+ spec
The Zargala RSL comercials got me to make an orc
Did you just say healers have the lowest output??? Have you played with any priests or done any research lol. The main issue is the lack of dispell and kick.
Holy pri output been good most of beta but my god do they need somethin besides that
All the 3 button ret paladins absolutely seething in the comments 😂😂
Wait wait wait I think I press 4, am I doing it wrong?
I think ret is the only thing way way wrong here. Single target one of the lowest? Look at Sikran and Nexus Princess logs mah boi. Other thing is historically, sure scaling is not great because they were a vers class. With the new Mastery and bugfixes, now their Mastery is insanely strong so they will probably scale very well into higher gear levels without relying on cantrip effects like in the past. I realize it's early gearing now but these changes were not in the beta so no one has seen them with high gear,
One thing I am 100% sure about is Ret WILL be in the highest keys early because they do the most damage of anyone right now outside of burst from Fury warrior. I do not really expect it to change with higher gear levels to be honest, but we will see I guess. 30 second class doesn't need to hold for anything, can't die, off healing for days, sac, bop. Ret is insane. It's literally superman spec.
Other than that the analysis for other specs seems solid
So much yapping to mention raid single target under an m+ video
We're talking about M+ not raid, ret is doing excellent in raid with a Single target build, but with the M+ build focusing on AOE, ret is doing really poor on ST. I'd still put ret in impressive anyway, at least above DH. I play both and DH outside of meta feels miserable, if the tank isnt pulling around my Meta i'm doing way less damage than ret overall
ret was also bugged with instrument of retribution and dawnlight, super over inflating it
@@hugob8193 I mean, you don't have to take full aoe talents in M+. They are doing high boss damage and overall damage on Broodtwister as well, and on Council. I'm not saying they will be meta but to say they do low single with the m+ build is just not really accurate
@@Proverb. It is. Most of m+ is aoe and to get the best overall dmg you need aoe talents. Ret unfortunately doesn't have a good talent tree that allows a balanced st+aoe damage, like demo warlock, ele shaman or frost dk for example.
Even tho they are the best specs, are you suggesting Guardian, Resto Sham, Assa, Frost Dk, Aug will be the meta comp?
U do not need to play momentum havoc anymore. I carry keys on no mover with talents that actually make sense with felscarred
The only question remains, will living bomb be viable? :O
Cant believe how many people raid actually pay to advertise, know you have to say good things but no one believe any of you guys play that 💩 game
Should I just reroll from outlaw to assasination, if I want to focus on m+ this season ? I mean my goal is to reach like 2.5k rating, so maybe it doesnt really matter much ?
Why would fury warrior get double nerfs if they are in your "B" tier?
Cause I guess he alrdy counted them in
There is no S, A, B tiers. Warrior is in impressive tier with all the nerfs to their damage factored in.
@@peettko At the time stamps of 11:21 & 8:23 aren't you referring to dev evoker and then destruction warlock being B tier? Phrases like "B tier or good tier", from my perspective sound alot like "Impressive or good tier".
It's okay to be in B tier, it's a perspective based on data, whatever.
overperforming in raids =/ high keys
i would like to know your opinioin for best comp in high keys (melee or range)
VDH still will be the most played tank for sure with the casters being that good. Also most tanks that I know refuse to play Guardian because is so damn boring :(
Frost DK 🥰
Peettko so Affliction warlock is superior to Shadow priest now? :)
placing Fire Mage and Destro lock in the same tier with MM or Surv hunt, or Retri, that's just batshit crazy
but fire is sh*t now
You said warrior would excel in melee group then put assassination and frost in S+ wouldn’t that make warrior value better to buff them
It could if you don't play Prot Warrior. Which is one of the better pug tanks to play with,
U wanna say that fire mage that does 0 damage is in the same tier with Retri or Surv?
Fire got big buffs
@@peettko I know that u r playing Templar build, but try Herald of the Sun, it should be better even after nerfs. Maybe you will change your opinion
Balance druid did NOT get the buff they needed, it's around 10% ish which is not enough to make them compete but will ofc be better than what they are now but they need more buff. I also think you ranking your MAIN character abit to high. In higher keys i'm pretty sure Balance druid will be better pick than Elemental shaman.
How can you simultaneously argue that Balance didn’t get enough of a buff, but also say it will be better than one of the top performing classes? That makes no sense lol
You are underestimating ele. They will CRANK
@@mvcfitz33 imagine being in a debate with this guy.. he would just disprove his own arguments 😂
@@mvcfitz33 Was mainly thinking about raiding with the buffs not be strong enough but boomie will be strong in keys now cus alot of aoe buffs, but yea that's my mad!
@@peettko Same way you underestimate let's say Devestation evoker and other specs ? These ranking vids are so cringe/stupid and is the main reason for making the mythic + community braindead and clueless.
But outlaw actually beeing one of the tops, with the tier after nerfs will be a loss of 2% dps, don't you think it will be meta?
this is an mythic + tier list. Not raid. Outlaw will still be at least A tier in Normal/Heroic. Sub will most likely be better in mythic raid because of the burst damage
@@m_rod9562 that's what I mean outlaw was always outperforming other rogue specs even while being worse in raid, which meaned that his single was worse, so if his single is same as aoe shouldn't it be better atm?
@@klausbucur760 once 4pc is included in the mix, the other two rogue specs will pull ahead in AoE. But outlaw m+ is easy to fix, they just need to buff Blade flurry and GGs.
@@m_rod9562 as I saw in 11.0.5 they're buffing the talent that increases 2% to 4% per mob missing health that's up to 32% more DMG in 8 targets looks kinda good tbh
@@klausbucur760 thats only a buff for targets under 8, which outlaw is already good at. The biggest issue is them being hard capped at 8 targets. Assa and sub both have uncapped aoe
Retri has low st?
Generous with that Arms Warrior placement..
95% of players…this doesn’t apply to lol can you make one for the general player? People see dev at d then don’t I. Tie them for a 12 when they pump more damage than most specs sucks.
The thing is it doesnt matter unless your the top 1%. The player makes a bigger difference. Im a WW monk and have been topping charts in raid and mythics, over mages dks etc. Everything except fury wars
Yeah, this doesn't really matter for general player base. At most key levels whatever you run is totally viable. This stuff doesn't start to matter until you get into quite high keys.
Arcane got another nerf, a total of 6% (with the previous one), is it still in the same tier?
Likely will only be considered in the mid to highest keys. Low keys = frost mage
Frost mage is lame to play.
Only ppl who arent good at frostmage ever say that.
Lets go boomie alt
The final final final final final final final (REAL FINAL) tier list
This is a really scatter-brained tier list video. Hard to watch.
I cant take this serious tbh.
Unholy is not on the top tier LMAO u r kidding
@petko on aug it's prescience, not pre-science lol
I think unholy going to surpass frost, just my opinion
Very strange list
it is strange that people can't read and therefore do not understand the list
Whats inaccurate about it
@@dr3armerwhat's accurate about it? Season hasn't even started yet. There is no meta yet, how is any of it accurate? It's literally an opinion which is worth as much as any other person's, which is to say worthless😅
Bro this content is not designed to educate you or teach you anything, TH-cam is like tv, it's designed to keep you watching, it's entertainment, none of it is accurate or a fact. The main objective is to keep you watching. If you don't believe me just look at your shorts feed and watch people bouncing a table tennis ball into a cup.
@@edinson1613 lmao are you this stupid or are you trolling?
If you have been following this channel, you Will understand that this tierlist had evolved since the early days of beta back in July and has been updated every single week based on me playing m+ and testing out all dps specs. Yes m+, not heroic dungeons or m0s. This tierlist includes 4p + your best buil
ds@@edinson1613
Second!
First
duds saying ret has terrible single target when the raid mostly has cleve and rets are toping the damage XD
This tierlist includes 4p. They will drop their ST crown once the 4p will be acquired by the rest of the specs. Outlaw rn is topping matters too, but their 2p/4p won't increase their damage as much as the rest of the specs.
Also ret raid build focuses for st and I assume ret m plus is focused for add cleave
Ret pally only do well when people in raid are dying lol
@@SirGwiddy Ret is Nexus princess GOAT for this reason
@@peettko False, outlaw set was buffed and is now way closer to the rest.
They nerfed fury again yesterday by 3%... blizzard is pissing me off so bad, it wasnt even close to META before the nerfs like holy shit they are bad at balancing
Are you kidding? Go look at logs, fury is insane
@@aidanbrown7137 in raid only.. when going pure single and you then lose your aoe.. you cant look at data in 1 single situation. It's a terrible nerf for M+.
Lol sorry but seeing the latest heroic logs makes one thing clear, ret is in a phenomenal spot, outshining most melee dps
bro u mean heroic dungeons?
Heroic logs and max gear 4p m+ has nothing to do. This is not a heroic dungeon tierlist nor m0 or heroic raid.
@@peettko Still strange list. Outlaw is clearly the top rogue m+ spec according to logs, close to assa but 100% better than sub. Ret with full gear is also up there.
@@nesciusplayground Everyone has an opinion. I believe Assa Rogue > Outlaw in Mythic+ and is not even close. Outlaw is capped gamer and is lacking burst for lower level keys. I still think it would be a solid choice for high m+. Ret on the other hand, IMO is a better pick for lower/mid level keys where things die quicker due to their frontloaded burst with short offensive CDs. That's my reasoning.
@@nesciusplayground m+ just opened this week. What Data are u smoking on
Warrior doesnt have single target problems... I dont agree with B tier fury. Utility is overrated. if you have big damage you are fine and you will be gr8.
Utility overrated? Have fun with low keys
lol average warrior players. Zug zug brains.
@@gokaymerden9002 Kid please... you have probably 2k rio
@@alpfeanor6431 Its my opinion and i have right on one...
They really screwed bm
Dun worry, bm will be op in season 3 like it always was