The FINAL M+ [11.0.2] TIERLIST - RANKING ALL SPECS | The War Within

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  • @peettko
    @peettko  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

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  • @sketchyx8307
    @sketchyx8307 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +37

    Guys this is for M+ lol and high keys. The amount of people that cant read is crazy

    • @motherpigeon1582
      @motherpigeon1582 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      We do understand but we also do not agree with some of the choices.

    • @staciaa15432
      @staciaa15432 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Frost dk, fury, demo also strong in low keys. MM /BM are garbage in any keys

    • @eg-a2357
      @eg-a2357 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Because it's just an incorrect list lol. Assa rogue should barely be in A tier with how dogshit it is on single target. Have fun killing any bosses in keys with assa in ur group.

  • @alpfeanor6431
    @alpfeanor6431 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    finally assa rogue sits in the place it deserves

  • @JokeJok
    @JokeJok วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I know we hate Hunt BM for the AoE.... But in ST he puts a lot of class on the side.

    • @robbe6194
      @robbe6194 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      thats exactly what he said in the video

    • @facehugger8995
      @facehugger8995 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      their single target is b tier and aoe is d tier they deserve this spot just play survival until the bm re work

  • @facehugger8995
    @facehugger8995 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    bm hunter on life support

  • @Aksel044
    @Aksel044 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    «My go to game past streaming hours raid shadow legends” agahahahha

  • @dp_adventurez
    @dp_adventurez 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you for always posting informational content like this. Looking forward to playing my ele shaman after benching him for 3 expansions

  • @ShadeReason
    @ShadeReason วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    ret has the most sustain type of damage due to 30 sec burst windows. as a sham player you should understand why low cd on burst means sustain type of damage...

  • @GamerzFaiths
    @GamerzFaiths 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    this man does a tier list like every other day

    • @peettko
      @peettko  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +24

      After every class changes, we update it. This is the final version before the 11.0.5 patch in November

    • @sjc5411
      @sjc5411 วันที่ผ่านมา

      If you don't like it take your candy ass somewhere else 🤡

  • @m_rod9562
    @m_rod9562 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Assa tier will be very good in m+ for sure. Specially that 4pc. I hope it doesnt catch a nerf. Although I’m sure the proc rate of vile tincture is not currently as intended. 8% application chance is awfully low, specially in ST

  • @axesthrawn
    @axesthrawn 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Great Job!

  • @giovada4157
    @giovada4157 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Ret st dmg is above average atm. i dont understand why alla streamers are saying that is really low. also with m+ spec

  • @moisesaguirre8413
    @moisesaguirre8413 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The Zargala RSL comercials got me to make an orc

  • @WillPazos
    @WillPazos วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Did you just say healers have the lowest output??? Have you played with any priests or done any research lol. The main issue is the lack of dispell and kick.

    • @ThePolarpop
      @ThePolarpop 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

      Holy pri output been good most of beta but my god do they need somethin besides that

  • @ritchy3875
    @ritchy3875 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    All the 3 button ret paladins absolutely seething in the comments 😂😂

    • @upinair4990
      @upinair4990 15 นาทีที่ผ่านมา

      Wait wait wait I think I press 4, am I doing it wrong?

  • @Proverb.
    @Proverb. 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    I think ret is the only thing way way wrong here. Single target one of the lowest? Look at Sikran and Nexus Princess logs mah boi. Other thing is historically, sure scaling is not great because they were a vers class. With the new Mastery and bugfixes, now their Mastery is insanely strong so they will probably scale very well into higher gear levels without relying on cantrip effects like in the past. I realize it's early gearing now but these changes were not in the beta so no one has seen them with high gear,
    One thing I am 100% sure about is Ret WILL be in the highest keys early because they do the most damage of anyone right now outside of burst from Fury warrior. I do not really expect it to change with higher gear levels to be honest, but we will see I guess. 30 second class doesn't need to hold for anything, can't die, off healing for days, sac, bop. Ret is insane. It's literally superman spec.
    Other than that the analysis for other specs seems solid

    • @BizhanovKhalel
      @BizhanovKhalel วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      So much yapping to mention raid single target under an m+ video

    • @hugob8193
      @hugob8193 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      We're talking about M+ not raid, ret is doing excellent in raid with a Single target build, but with the M+ build focusing on AOE, ret is doing really poor on ST. I'd still put ret in impressive anyway, at least above DH. I play both and DH outside of meta feels miserable, if the tank isnt pulling around my Meta i'm doing way less damage than ret overall

    • @jameskennedy2120
      @jameskennedy2120 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ret was also bugged with instrument of retribution and dawnlight, super over inflating it

    • @Proverb.
      @Proverb. วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@hugob8193 I mean, you don't have to take full aoe talents in M+. They are doing high boss damage and overall damage on Broodtwister as well, and on Council. I'm not saying they will be meta but to say they do low single with the m+ build is just not really accurate

    • @BizhanovKhalel
      @BizhanovKhalel วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@Proverb. It is. Most of m+ is aoe and to get the best overall dmg you need aoe talents. Ret unfortunately doesn't have a good talent tree that allows a balanced st+aoe damage, like demo warlock, ele shaman or frost dk for example.

  • @gooseg3822
    @gooseg3822 6 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Even tho they are the best specs, are you suggesting Guardian, Resto Sham, Assa, Frost Dk, Aug will be the meta comp?

  • @coryp6868
    @coryp6868 4 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    U do not need to play momentum havoc anymore. I carry keys on no mover with talents that actually make sense with felscarred

  • @jasper0489
    @jasper0489 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The only question remains, will living bomb be viable? :O

  • @gakhouse1636
    @gakhouse1636 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Cant believe how many people raid actually pay to advertise, know you have to say good things but no one believe any of you guys play that 💩 game

  • @j0p3t0
    @j0p3t0 7 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Should I just reroll from outlaw to assasination, if I want to focus on m+ this season ? I mean my goal is to reach like 2.5k rating, so maybe it doesnt really matter much ?

  • @phuntymes
    @phuntymes 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Why would fury warrior get double nerfs if they are in your "B" tier?

    • @juliar2934
      @juliar2934 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Cause I guess he alrdy counted them in

    • @peettko
      @peettko  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      There is no S, A, B tiers. Warrior is in impressive tier with all the nerfs to their damage factored in.

    • @phuntymes
      @phuntymes 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @@peettko At the time stamps of 11:21 & 8:23 aren't you referring to dev evoker and then destruction warlock being B tier? Phrases like "B tier or good tier", from my perspective sound alot like "Impressive or good tier".
      It's okay to be in B tier, it's a perspective based on data, whatever.

    • @blinkshady5504
      @blinkshady5504 วันที่ผ่านมา

      overperforming in raids =/ high keys

  • @Rhaeg4L
    @Rhaeg4L 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    i would like to know your opinioin for best comp in high keys (melee or range)

  • @runiih
    @runiih วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    VDH still will be the most played tank for sure with the casters being that good. Also most tanks that I know refuse to play Guardian because is so damn boring :(

  • @TheGaryAir
    @TheGaryAir วันที่ผ่านมา

    Frost DK 🥰

  • @doomdoom9716
    @doomdoom9716 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Peettko so Affliction warlock is superior to Shadow priest now? :)

  • @Quel_droma
    @Quel_droma 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    placing Fire Mage and Destro lock in the same tier with MM or Surv hunt, or Retri, that's just batshit crazy

    • @handoflucifer
      @handoflucifer วันที่ผ่านมา

      but fire is sh*t now

  • @JonathonBeauharnois
    @JonathonBeauharnois 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You said warrior would excel in melee group then put assassination and frost in S+ wouldn’t that make warrior value better to buff them

    • @peettko
      @peettko  วันที่ผ่านมา

      It could if you don't play Prot Warrior. Which is one of the better pug tanks to play with,

  • @dmitriystelmakh8086
    @dmitriystelmakh8086 วันที่ผ่านมา

    U wanna say that fire mage that does 0 damage is in the same tier with Retri or Surv?

    • @peettko
      @peettko  วันที่ผ่านมา

      Fire got big buffs

    • @dmitriystelmakh8086
      @dmitriystelmakh8086 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@peettko I know that u r playing Templar build, but try Herald of the Sun, it should be better even after nerfs. Maybe you will change your opinion

  • @badderen92
    @badderen92 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Balance druid did NOT get the buff they needed, it's around 10% ish which is not enough to make them compete but will ofc be better than what they are now but they need more buff. I also think you ranking your MAIN character abit to high. In higher keys i'm pretty sure Balance druid will be better pick than Elemental shaman.

    • @mvcfitz33
      @mvcfitz33 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      How can you simultaneously argue that Balance didn’t get enough of a buff, but also say it will be better than one of the top performing classes? That makes no sense lol

    • @peettko
      @peettko  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      You are underestimating ele. They will CRANK

    • @edinson1613
      @edinson1613 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      ​@@mvcfitz33 imagine being in a debate with this guy.. he would just disprove his own arguments 😂

    • @badderen92
      @badderen92 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@mvcfitz33 Was mainly thinking about raiding with the buffs not be strong enough but boomie will be strong in keys now cus alot of aoe buffs, but yea that's my mad!

    • @badderen92
      @badderen92 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@peettko Same way you underestimate let's say Devestation evoker and other specs ? These ranking vids are so cringe/stupid and is the main reason for making the mythic + community braindead and clueless.

  • @klausbucur760
    @klausbucur760 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    But outlaw actually beeing one of the tops, with the tier after nerfs will be a loss of 2% dps, don't you think it will be meta?

    • @m_rod9562
      @m_rod9562 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      this is an mythic + tier list. Not raid. Outlaw will still be at least A tier in Normal/Heroic. Sub will most likely be better in mythic raid because of the burst damage

    • @klausbucur760
      @klausbucur760 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@m_rod9562 that's what I mean outlaw was always outperforming other rogue specs even while being worse in raid, which meaned that his single was worse, so if his single is same as aoe shouldn't it be better atm?

    • @m_rod9562
      @m_rod9562 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@klausbucur760 once 4pc is included in the mix, the other two rogue specs will pull ahead in AoE. But outlaw m+ is easy to fix, they just need to buff Blade flurry and GGs.

    • @klausbucur760
      @klausbucur760 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@m_rod9562 as I saw in 11.0.5 they're buffing the talent that increases 2% to 4% per mob missing health that's up to 32% more DMG in 8 targets looks kinda good tbh

    • @m_rod9562
      @m_rod9562 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@klausbucur760 thats only a buff for targets under 8, which outlaw is already good at. The biggest issue is them being hard capped at 8 targets. Assa and sub both have uncapped aoe

  • @motherpigeon1582
    @motherpigeon1582 23 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา

    Retri has low st?

  • @slayrx
    @slayrx วันที่ผ่านมา

    Generous with that Arms Warrior placement..

  • @MrJeremydb91
    @MrJeremydb91 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    95% of players…this doesn’t apply to lol can you make one for the general player? People see dev at d then don’t I. Tie them for a 12 when they pump more damage than most specs sucks.

    • @GURKS35
      @GURKS35 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      The thing is it doesnt matter unless your the top 1%. The player makes a bigger difference. Im a WW monk and have been topping charts in raid and mythics, over mages dks etc. Everything except fury wars

    • @OtanksGG
      @OtanksGG วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yeah, this doesn't really matter for general player base. At most key levels whatever you run is totally viable. This stuff doesn't start to matter until you get into quite high keys.

  • @medring_6242
    @medring_6242 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Arcane got another nerf, a total of 6% (with the previous one), is it still in the same tier?

    • @peettko
      @peettko  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Likely will only be considered in the mid to highest keys. Low keys = frost mage

  • @F3nryl
    @F3nryl วันที่ผ่านมา

    Frost mage is lame to play.
    Only ppl who arent good at frostmage ever say that.

  • @NAP214
    @NAP214 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Lets go boomie alt

  • @maldlions5313
    @maldlions5313 วันที่ผ่านมา

    The final final final final final final final (REAL FINAL) tier list

  • @TomNook77
    @TomNook77 วันที่ผ่านมา

    This is a really scatter-brained tier list video. Hard to watch.

  • @glenni83
    @glenni83 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I cant take this serious tbh.

  • @الونش-د8ه
    @الونش-د8ه 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Unholy is not on the top tier LMAO u r kidding

  • @Squashcwb
    @Squashcwb 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    @petko on aug it's prescience, not pre-science lol

  • @waxoncrypto9524
    @waxoncrypto9524 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I think unholy going to surpass frost, just my opinion

  • @nesciusplayground
    @nesciusplayground 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Very strange list

    • @Squashcwb
      @Squashcwb 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      it is strange that people can't read and therefore do not understand the list

    • @dr3armer
      @dr3armer 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Whats inaccurate about it

    • @edinson1613
      @edinson1613 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​​​​​@@dr3armerwhat's accurate about it? Season hasn't even started yet. There is no meta yet, how is any of it accurate? It's literally an opinion which is worth as much as any other person's, which is to say worthless😅
      Bro this content is not designed to educate you or teach you anything, TH-cam is like tv, it's designed to keep you watching, it's entertainment, none of it is accurate or a fact. The main objective is to keep you watching. If you don't believe me just look at your shorts feed and watch people bouncing a table tennis ball into a cup.

    • @Squashcwb
      @Squashcwb วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@edinson1613 lmao are you this stupid or are you trolling?

    • @peettko
      @peettko  วันที่ผ่านมา

      If you have been following this channel, you Will understand that this tierlist had evolved since the early days of beta back in July and has been updated every single week based on me playing m+ and testing out all dps specs. Yes m+, not heroic dungeons or m0s. This tierlist includes 4p + your best buil
      ds​@@edinson1613

  • @executestv5226
    @executestv5226 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Second!

  • @GMToaster
    @GMToaster 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    First

    • @peettko
      @peettko  2 วันที่ผ่านมา

  • @LionheartTM
    @LionheartTM 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    duds saying ret has terrible single target when the raid mostly has cleve and rets are toping the damage XD

    • @peettko
      @peettko  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +16

      This tierlist includes 4p. They will drop their ST crown once the 4p will be acquired by the rest of the specs. Outlaw rn is topping matters too, but their 2p/4p won't increase their damage as much as the rest of the specs.

    • @Gimalz1992
      @Gimalz1992 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Also ret raid build focuses for st and I assume ret m plus is focused for add cleave

    • @SirGwiddy
      @SirGwiddy 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Ret pally only do well when people in raid are dying lol

    • @Nhouyengah
      @Nhouyengah 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@SirGwiddy Ret is Nexus princess GOAT for this reason

    • @nesciusplayground
      @nesciusplayground 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@peettko False, outlaw set was buffed and is now way closer to the rest.

  • @guillaumelabonte2702
    @guillaumelabonte2702 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    They nerfed fury again yesterday by 3%... blizzard is pissing me off so bad, it wasnt even close to META before the nerfs like holy shit they are bad at balancing

    • @aidanbrown7137
      @aidanbrown7137 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Are you kidding? Go look at logs, fury is insane

    • @guillaumelabonte2702
      @guillaumelabonte2702 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@aidanbrown7137 in raid only.. when going pure single and you then lose your aoe.. you cant look at data in 1 single situation. It's a terrible nerf for M+.

  • @Tangakkai
    @Tangakkai 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Lol sorry but seeing the latest heroic logs makes one thing clear, ret is in a phenomenal spot, outshining most melee dps

    • @arzos2603
      @arzos2603 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      bro u mean heroic dungeons?

    • @peettko
      @peettko  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Heroic logs and max gear 4p m+ has nothing to do. This is not a heroic dungeon tierlist nor m0 or heroic raid.

    • @nesciusplayground
      @nesciusplayground 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@peettko Still strange list. Outlaw is clearly the top rogue m+ spec according to logs, close to assa but 100% better than sub. Ret with full gear is also up there.

    • @peettko
      @peettko  2 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

      @@nesciusplayground Everyone has an opinion. I believe Assa Rogue > Outlaw in Mythic+ and is not even close. Outlaw is capped gamer and is lacking burst for lower level keys. I still think it would be a solid choice for high m+. Ret on the other hand, IMO is a better pick for lower/mid level keys where things die quicker due to their frontloaded burst with short offensive CDs. That's my reasoning.

    • @DuoSpear
      @DuoSpear วันที่ผ่านมา

      ​@@nesciusplayground m+ just opened this week. What Data are u smoking on

  • @putnik1995
    @putnik1995 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Warrior doesnt have single target problems... I dont agree with B tier fury. Utility is overrated. if you have big damage you are fine and you will be gr8.

    • @gokaymerden9002
      @gokaymerden9002 2 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      Utility overrated? Have fun with low keys

    • @alpfeanor6431
      @alpfeanor6431 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      lol average warrior players. Zug zug brains.

    • @putnik1995
      @putnik1995 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@gokaymerden9002 Kid please... you have probably 2k rio

    • @putnik1995
      @putnik1995 2 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@alpfeanor6431 Its my opinion and i have right on one...

  • @pasixxXX
    @pasixxXX วันที่ผ่านมา

    They really screwed bm

    • @DuoSpear
      @DuoSpear วันที่ผ่านมา

      Dun worry, bm will be op in season 3 like it always was