Saphir Renovateur Review - Is It the World's Best Boot Conditioner?
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Is this really the fanciest boot cream of all time? I tried them on my scuffed up Higgins Mill boots to find out.
INGREDIENTS
There's no precise ingredients list out there, but it is mink oil based and contains a variety of waxes. It also seems to have a little bit of alcohol in there, but not enough to cause concern for stripping leather.
PRICE
At $9 an ounce, it's much pricier than its main competitor Venetian Shoe Cream ($3/oz) or the cheapest options, Lexol and Bick. ($1/oz)
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PROS & CONS
Pros
*Produces really nice luster
*Eliminates scuffs
*Smells better than many competitors
*Works on every nice leather out there
*Practically solvent free
*Doesn’t change color very much
Cons
*Pricy
*Some criticize it for giving a great shine but not giving great weatherproofing
*Proprietary ingredient list
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FYI, (Coconut) fatty alcohol(s) (long chain fatty alcohols) are fatty acids that are naturally derived from fats and oils like tallow, coconut, soybean and palm kernel oils. It is not added to sapphire, but rather naturally present in one or more of the ingredients in their product.
The Ethoxylated Isotridecanol is probably also naturally derived from that same ingredient or the coconut fatty alcohol itself.
Chemist here btw!
it amazes me that people are so scared of all alcohols & don't really understand that it can condition as well, depending on what type it is!
Is there a alcohol that conditions my liver but in a good way ?
@@nicholaslopez6384 what does a liver have to do with leather or anything relating to skin and the conditioning of leather? Lol
@@AlexanderMason1 its was just a joke haha sorry
what did you call me?
Yes, the renovateur and their polishes are so worth it. When I switched to them I was blown away by the difference.
another great review, keep em coming :)
Thanks man!
One of your cons is: "*No pigment, so it’s a bit harder to hide scuffs." You may of course buy one of Saphir's Creme 1925, with a range of 26 pigments. It cleans, nourishes, waterproofs, and polishes the shoe/boot. I use the No. 10 Saphir Beaute du Cuir Creme Surfine Cognac Brown on my Anatomic & Co cognac-coloured Tapajos.
Do you have links on your brush and other things you used in maintaining your boots here and your regular routine?
I just received my jar and it says on a sticker on the top that it is Shea Butter base. Is this something new?
Always get so excited seeing new videos from Stridewise!
From a Saphir dealer, it contains mink oil + lanolin + beeswax ...
*Okay thanks....😊*
Just ordered 2 more jars of Renovateur. Been using it for quite a while along with other dyes and polishes to help friends and family have shoes that rock. Honestly, I love this product, but then I love my hobby of making shoes look good.
Great video,, and I love the Blue Angels watch, one of my favorite models.
In the UK, this Saphir Renovateur actually comes out cheaper than Venetian Shoe Cream. Venetian hasn't got a distributor in the UK (yet), so it's an arm and a leg to ship them retail from America.
Are you able to get Angelus shoe cream or meltonian? I do use Saphir’s pommadier neutral on my dress boots, but if you just want something that is cheaper that still works well, I would use those.
Hey mate cool video. Do you think this would be okay on burnished leather ?
Great product. And an interesting msds @ 2:53 that gives us a better idea of what is in Renovateur. By appearance and supported by the msds it is an oil in water emulsion (cream). The ingredients in the msds, in order, are hydrotreated naptha (petroleum solvent) ~ 5%, A surfactant, detergent and most interesting because it is about a third of the product, Dipropylene Glycol Monomethyl Ether (Dowanol is one brand name), another solvent.
The other 50 - 60% are presumably mink oil, lanolin, beeswax, carnauba wax and possibly shea butter, jojoba oil and turpentine (as another solvent).
If I don’t want to change the color of shoes, can I just use this instead of conditioners plus neutral polish?
So applying the appropriate color polish over the boot or shoe after a Renovateur application is a good maintenance regimen?
I bought some Red Wing leather cream after you recommended it and I was impressed that it's very much like the Saphir Renovateur, which I also use. I recommend using the Red Wing leather cream if you want the same results as Saphir Renovateur but for a lot less money.
A J MacDonald Jr
So there’s little to no darkening of lighter colored leathers with the RW Leather Cream?
Yeah it says it won’t darken but it has neatsfoot oil
I use the Redwing as well on everything from boots, to purses, to gun leather. Makes boots supple, not soft, and never changes the color.
pretty much the same price for both products outside of the US
Fatty alcohols are completely different molecules from the drying alcohols you are thinking of like isopropyl or ethanol. Fatty alcohols are long fat molecules with an alcohol group at one end, and are moisturizing/oily/waxy/emollient/emulsifying, not drying or damaging. Fatty alcohols and fatty acids are friendly confused with their inorganic counterparts but have almost nothing to do with them. The solvent used in Saphir products is pure gum turpentine.
Fatty alcohols like stearyl alcohol are typically used in hair conditioners or facial moisturizers or chapstick.
For natural vegtan leather, what products are suitable for routine care?
I am not a pro, I barely know what I'm talking about, but as someone who has recently had to restore a ton of work shoes due to the insanely bad winter we had in Colorado this year... I have found a baby hobby in restoring dress shoes now. So with my limited experience in restoring them, which comes with tons of failing and experimenting, Saphir was by far the best conditioning product I used and I think the mink oil has to be the reason for that.
Can be used on red wings briar 3340 ?
Can you use this on rough out
Great video! Any chance you could do a video on condition/cleaning suede boots.
I have a pair of suede captain boots from Thursday Boots. I know they do some sort of weather/rain resistance conditioning to their suede boots. Thanks!
Yeah I have some tips here! Good idea for a video though. stridewise.com/taft-dragon-boot-review/
Good review, I gotta try some of this.
I use it as a conditioner then I use a polish after. Works great for me
Same here just the lower line with the neutral pate and is just perfect for all my smooth boots. (Whites, Nicks and Wescos)
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Saphir renovateur and Pick 4 leather conditioner. Which one is better for buy?
...I'll admit I just laughed HARD when you dragged Lexol at the beginning of the video. 10/10.
what are your thoughts on the saphir oiled leather cream? kirby alison from the hanger project recommends using that over the renovateur as it seems to be better for chromexel leather.
I waited 2 years before actually cleaning my Higgins Mills. I roughed them up preppy bad, There's some spots that turned gray like graphite where the boot rubs against my motorcycle. I finally conditioned them today with Saphir Cream Greasy Leather, but the gray spot is still there. Will this product get rid of it or is it ruined permanently?
The gray is the blue-gray center of the chrome tanned leather. It shows through when the top grain is worn through. Unfortunately, if you are going to be regularly abrading the same spot on the boot (like when shifting) there isn’t really a way to avoid it. You could use a polish with some pigment in it to cover the spot, but it’ll just wear through again. Also, you’re not really supposed to use wax or polish on Chromexel.
I think you were suppose to use the Saphir greasy leather cream for CXL according to Kirby Allison who’s a dealer for Saphir.
Nick Horween recommends Renovatuer for CXL.
B C actually Venetian shoe cream Nick recommends from talking to him personally.
Marc Possoff Actually he recommends Renovatuer, Saphir Greasy Leather cream or Venetian.
*supposed to*
You can totally use both, the waxes in renovatour is good for light waterproofing
I only use it when I need to restore the colour or to give depth to it. I feel it would be a waste and costly if the purpose is simply to recondition the leather, which can be achieved with many other products, e.g. beeswax or venetian cream.
Would you also review Saphir Creme Universelle (from the BdC line)?
I found this wonderful for my boots!
Mhmmm :/ I like my boots completely matte. Any good alternatives?
Thank You, for the details!
Hey you're welcome my man
for chrome excel leather you should've used their "oiled leather" cream, it's neatsfoot oil based for pull up or "greasy/waxed" leather like you have there, renovateur is for regular leather that isn't chrome excel.
Trying to determine the best conditioner for my Horween Cavalier leather Dr. Martens. They say waxed polish is a no-no.
do you know of any electric shoe shiner?
how do you recommend to take care of leather boots? what is your routine? and how to take care of other leather products especially Leather Jackets?
mina sedhom: “Bick 4” by a brand called Bickmore is a good conditioner for leather jackets and bags. It will darken the leather for a few days but the original color returns very quickly once it dries completely. I’m saying this from personal experience with that product. And it’s cheap.
I have several pairs of Allen Edmonds CXL boots and shoes, including this Higgins Mill boot. While the Renovateor is awesome on calf skin shoes, I don’t believe it works well on CXL, and I’ve never heard of anyone recommending it.
I use Saphirs Greasy Leather, either in brown , or if it has contrasting stitching like a boat shoe, which I’ll use the untinted. It works great and you would have much better results. I have several year old boots that look almost brand new and my boat shoes have been soaked thru and look marvelous.
That said, I also have about a dozen calf skin shoes, some have gotten quite heavy use, and the Renovateor , sometime a couple applications, followed with Saphirs cream or polish gives amazing results.
Eh Horween recommend it plenty www.horweenproducts.com/sold-items/saphir-renovateur www.horween.com/blog/2010/03/23/chromexcel%C2%AE-2
Any thoughts on using Smiths Leather Balm on the Higgins Mills? Much appreciated.
the price isn't to bad if you ask me if your gonna use it on your boots,
srsly some girls spend 60 plus dollars on hair products that last em only 2 weeks hahah😅
I completely agree! I don't think $25 for a jar is too pricey. If this repairs/restores shoes that are $500 Plus, then it's already done it's job. 😊
Nice review! Just a quick question.. If you use renovateur and darkens your leather boots , is it possible to ever return in the original color after some time?
Alexis Stamatopoulos: Yes, the original color should mostly return, but it will take a while, possibly months.
I'm just finished conditioning my shoes and with this product and it didn't darken any of them, are you letting it dry before you buff it off? I'll leave it on for about 15 minutes that's what works for me good luck
Simply renevator is a fancy conditioner for dress shoes and for boots use something more affordable btw I use BICK 4 to condition my dress shoes and then use saphir coniac shoe cream polish builds a nice patena
You can also choose a Macadamia Nut Oil version of Saphire Renovateur, if you have any qualms about using mink oil.
oh that's a great tip!
I use it with a cloth and it's very shiny, never try it on chromexel though.
Por qué ha Saphir en lata y en envase de vidrio? Además varia la tipografía de la palabra Saphir. Alguien sabe?
💰 y es frances 😊
Is it really that pricey compared to the cost of well made footwear? I use Saphir on all of my dress shoes and also my RM William's boots. It lasts a long time and is a lot better than what is often recommended by the manufacturer.
What’s your take on pure mink oil Vs saphir liquid gold, granted you’re ok with a little darkening?
I haven't tried the liquid gold, I fear!
I was a bit late to the party this time, but nice seeing you review this product. Two days ago I reconditioned one of my Thursday boots with some saddle soap and Venetian Shoe Cream. Maybe one day I'll buy this product, but it is definitely very pricey. Great video Nick!
I note that you say that it doesn't waterproof as well as effectively as some other conditioners. However, the Saphir Mink oil conditioner is meant for light frequent use, rather than infrequent heavy coatings. Horses for courses. Also, Saphir does warn on its website that it may darken certain types of leather, notably nappa.
Im curious about shine. I have a pair of Old English Thursday Captains (dark chocolate color) and I'd like to find a cream that adds a nice shine without darkening the dark brown leather more. I've tried Venetian shoe cream and have purchased some Saphir greasy shoe cream (in neutral and brown) but am also considering the Medaille d'or version. Between the three of these creams, which would you recommend to produce the best shine, rather than a more matte finish? I tend to use my boots for more dressy occasions than hooking around and beating them up.
I really appreciate your videos, as they are some of the best out there.
Thanks!!
Between greasy shoe cream, venetian shoe cream, and saphir renovateur? Saphir is shinier.
And thanks for the kind words, Craig!
Really want to see you check out either Thursday's President or Explorer boots. The price seems good and I like their slimmer profile but I'm holding off on pulling the trigger.
Josh Supersky the president is the same boot as the captain, just without the toe cap. He reviewed the captains awhile ago, worth checking out. I love my pair of presidents.
Oh wow. I guess they are. I think I like the look without the toecap. Glad you like them though. I guess I shall.
@@jsupensky Do it man. For the price its absolutely unbeatable. It's a good year welt, full grain leather boot at 200 dollars. I have 3 pairs of Thursday and they are incredible. Just be sure to invest in the proper care for your shoes, such as a shoe tree, polish, wax, conditioner, and a good horsehair brush, so that the shoes keep their form as well as to prevent creases that peel the leather. Do this and they will last you a lifetime.
Hi @stridewise! Would you care to try and compare Wren's against Saphir too?
Hey Heng, I think I'm going to compare VSC and Saphir and then I want to check out Otter Wax and Cobbler's Choice, but I may get to Wren's!
@@Stridewise Cool! Thanks for the response, will watch out for them too
Red wing all leather conditioner for me on Cheaney chromexcel leather boots.
Just got some of this for £8 in England, just need to invest in some quality boots now 😂
5:53 puts cream on boots ..
How do you like the results of Sapir on Chromexcel compared to VSC?
Saphir is a bit nicer, just not worth 3x the price nicer haha. A bit shinier too.
@@Stridewise Interesting. I just got some VSC but am curious about the Sapir stuff. I heard it's not as great for CXL though, but your review says otherwise.
The % information on the sheet of composition should read as follows (for Isotridecanol): more than 1%, but less than 2,5% (of the total.) Or simply in other words, somewhere between 1% and 2,5% of the total. The reason is perhaps cryptic, in order to keep the exact amount secret, changeable or so...yet to demonstrate that they're present "below the minimum danger threshold."
Please review Lexol and Saphir Greasy Leather Cream.
I'm running out of worn in boots to condition haha I've got Huberds up next
How does it compare to Venetian balm?
More of a shine.
I use Saphir products exclusively on my bespoke John Lobb and Gaziano & Girling Chelsey boots, close to $10000 invested between both pair... nothing less will touch them..
Hey Nick, I was wondering if you might do a comparison of two red wing classics one day: the iron rangers vs. moc toes. While I'd love to own both someday, it's not in my budget at the moment. I'm hoping a comparison video would help me figure out which one suits me best. Many thanks and love your channel!
going to give it a shot man
when using a product that we don't know the exact composition its always a good idea to use nitrile gloves. especially after you mentioned the recommended way to dispose of the tin. just trying to help
Thanks Kevin! I'm a bit cavalier with my chemicals
@@Stridewise You're not alone, I'm a former professional chef of 15 years so things like that catch my attention. By the way, love the channel!
I suspect the advice for disposal is likely to do with the tiny amount of paraffin, which is extreme cases could lead to a fire risk, rather than the product being toxic.
Remember that EU regulations are very tight, and even the slightest risk is still seen as a risk when it comes to disposing of containers.
Nice review Nick. I agree with your conclusions, just wish it wasn’t so darn expensive. I too also like Venetian, Bick’s and Allen Edmond’s proprietary blend. Sort of depends on the leather. I try to save the Renovateur for my chromexcel leathers. Anyway, thanks for the very informative video.
is overhyped and overrated, mostly paying for the brand and fancy glass jar
The owner of horween prefers venetian shoe cream for cxl
What is your personal preference between Saphir Renovateur and Venetian Shoe Cream?
Venetian Shoe Cream. I'm just all about preserving color and VSC seems to be just a teeny tiny bit better at it, plus it's cheaper.
@@Stridewise So Venetian Shoe Cream would be the way to go to keep my Cavalier leather conditioned and preserve it's natural black?
Saphir do a dubbin I use it on black boots as the colours is already dark and I use the standard renovateur cheaper and dose the job
I use a combo of Mink Oil, Renapur & a quality shoe cream, works just as well without the excessive cost, Chamberlain Leather Milk is another favourite & smells great too
How about "Black Rock" for conditioning shoes or boots?
Yes, I hear great things!
Use it after saddle soap !
For better results ....
@stridewise can saphire renovatour used for iron ranger amber harness?
Yes, definitely
@@Stridewise thanks
Can you use it for white leather sneakers like CP?
Ooh that's a good question. I'm actually in the middle of wearing in a pair for a review so I'll know in the future. But it's white leather and Saphir is neutral so I think it'd be fine, yes.
Nice video. Do these boots run true to size?
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Time to practice your French ! 🇫🇷
Repeat after me : Saphir Rénovateur... 😉
As French I'm lost with onces and dollars but I guess it is less expensive in France.
By far, half the price from what I can see.
Just like the vid with the wolverine boots these also have loose grain for some pricey boots.
Saphire is used as a preventative product . If your shoes are currently in bad condition, use mink oil . You need a more extensive product .
My sapphire polishing cloth leaves tons of lint!! Why is that it was so expensive!
For any new people watching this video I would only use this for smooth calf skin leather.
It's gonna be darker immediately after applying. Wait a day to get a true gauge of how much it darkened your boot. I conditioned a pair of boots this weekend with mink oil. Could only do one last night. Did the other today. The one from last night was significantly higher than the one I just finished this evening.
Like your vids a lot. I know you did the disclaimer "not to crucify" you, but you really need to soap then up first before you condition.
Love your videos. Hope you don't mind the feedback.
Yeah if I were better at this I'd have waited a day, but I only get one day to film on weekends haha. I appreciate the feedback though Bill, I'm always striving to get better :)
@@Stridewise you know your shit and I've learned so much from your videos. I imagine being a freelance journalist is a tough hustle so I can imagine the time crunch you're under. I lived in NYC for 10 years and know your type. Came to NYC to make it and doing what you can to move forward. Again, great videos and on a positive note, the production quality (as well as content) is great.
I like your review and energy but for some bits, especially when you're referring to names of the alternative products which one may not be familiar with, I found you spoke too fast and I couldn't hear it clearly. Also couldn't find any reference to the products in your description so it kind if left me guessing what those products you referred to were.
I missed the boot name
You should try Crème 1925 which is more shiny than R
Why not containing pigment is a con as a leather conditioner? It’s supposed to be no-pigment so it can be used to condition wide color range of shoes.
I've used the blue lid one on my Iron Rangers and it did not darken the leather at all, I wonder if this one's any different. Also, for some reason it's not that expensive in my country (less than 20 bucks for the one you use in this video).
Can you review a pair of Frye boots? Thank you!
I have two of the Frye "Phillip" lace up boots. One black, and one brown. They are fantastic boots for comfort and style. I don't wear them on a daily basis, because Frye does not make that particular style anymore. I wouldn't hesitate to buy another Frye boot or shoe.
Have you tried the Wilcox boots?
No but I need to!
Sir, you should do a review on a new boot company called "Leather Lately". I've heard really good things about their boots. I am curious about what you think.
I've seen them around! Might add them to the list, Alberto.
@@Stridewise The reason why I mention them is because they have their own take on the "pull up" leather like CXL. Looks fantastic in some of the review pictures I've seen.
Like you said Saphir is made for the best shoes you own, not for a chromexcel boot. Being that this is a Higgins Mill from Allen Edmonds, I’m sure it will work great but this product is not made for boots. On your best leathers, it is simply amazing!
Yeah but honestly it's also great on chromexcel. It's just expensive and not best for waterproofing, but as a conditioner it's great.
How can you consider it the "best" without actually comparing it to something else? I use Apple Leather Care, at half the price - no mink oil or solvents, and it performs perfectly.
Did I say I thought it was the best? This is my list of the best after trying about a dozen th-cam.com/video/A5lxicuEJrA/w-d-xo.html
What watch are you wearing?
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There have been a lot of recent developments with transdermal medications. Our skin does an amazing job at absorbing drugs into the bloodstream. I like Saphir on my boots but not in my bloodstream. Use a cloth or wear latex gloves.
Heck, used to work at a hardware store, and we'd regularly get elderly people with arthritis come in to buy WD40 to spray on their joints because it would help. So you ain't kidding there.
@@JDS-Dalton wtf 😂 that's horrible
OMG. Chill out. What kind of gas mask do you use?
Mink oil is good for you actually
I recommend buying used shoes on ebay and then spending $200 on Saphir polishing and conditioning products to get them looking like you didn't buy them on ebay.
I picked up a brand new in the box pair of Red Wing 1907’s and a new pair of 875’s for the price of one pair. Both on eBay for essentially half price. It requires some patience but it pays off.
I would use it on those Tricker's Brogues.
YES
He mentioned Otter Wax (Salve), which I use as well (just avoid getting the gunk into crevices). My technique is to clean boots with Otter Wax Saddle Soap, then immediately put their salve on. leave salve on for a day, buff clean, then immediately put this Saphir Renovateur (m'oir) on, leave for a day, then buff clean. Probably overkill, but I find conditioning boots to be fun!
As others have said, this stuff is pretty cheap and available in the UK. Bick 4 on the other hand we need to import, or pay ridiculous amounts to resellers. You're wrong about neatsfoot oil not darkening, I suspect this sort of misinformation was behind your disastrous amber harness Iron Ranger "care" 😂
it is also worth mentioning that a bottle of Saphir lasts a long time
I compared this product to Dr. Wack - A1 Lederpflege (Leather Care). And I must say, well... The Dr. Wack product contains no mink oil but jojoba oil and it is silicon and alcohol free - plus it doesn´t smell like a cookie. It is a german product I use for decades now. It is widely used by car restorators for ages and that is how I got to know the product. The effect when restoring leather with this is stunning. Used very sparingly on fat leather shoes produces fatastic result even when they are totally beaten up. It is not cheap either - the bootle is about two third of the price of the saphire but it contains 250ml (8.5oz). Not to be mistaken I have nothing to do with the Dr. Wack company.
So it's used on car seats but it's also good on nice shoes? Werid
How about on white leather like my common projects?
Should be good.
What type of leather do the diplomat boots have? Seems like a bit different than the presidents.
Can we use it on low quality leather.
Yes. Just test an area first. A good condition will actually prolong the life of poorer quality leather.
Just don’t use a liquid oil, it will break down the leather and turn it to mush over time.
For chromexcel or oil tanned leathers, saphir has its own conditioner.
I've got new boots in Cavalier leather. I've read not to use wax product on it. What's the best conditioner, Saphir or Venetian cream?