My PC is now 4 years old and I would love to build a new one. The problem is that I can't justify a cost of +/-2500$ for a gaming PC, when games are terrible..
I have spent a lot of my personal time researching and understanding how the current state of silicon and technology compares to the theoretical maximum limits of silicon. I also have a degree in electrical engineering(not that that makes me some kind of an expert) I personally believe that there are a couple orders of magnitude of performance left to be extracted from silicon as we understand it. I agree that we are reaching a point that creating a usable process node that gets a noticeable gain is becoming increasingly difficult(resulting in higher costs for manufacturers)but this comes down to the limits of architecture as well as the limits of the current euv equipment and the understanding there of. Even if we were at some sort of hard limit of silicon, many advancements will come in the form of architectural, software/drivers as well as multidie and stacking. Advancements will not slow down.. but they will become more expensive. Moore's law is indeed dead as we know it.
We need to start calling them what they are. It's a 7700XT. both companies have pulled this shit and you know what? It's worked because we've allowed this. It's not too late to start a grand relabelling.
I bought a RX 6950xt for $569 new a couple weeks ago for my backup machine and it is on the heels of the 7900xt where does the 7800xt stand in are they hoping that RX 6000 cards sell out and loose the comparison?
I buy a new GPU not for frame rates but for new features. However, most folks are not like me. I think most folks bought GPUs after the miners and scalpers sold theirs off. Which cut sells of new cards in appearance. However, the ones scraping by upgraded and the market shrank after that. I had not built a new computer for 7 years. Started just before the Plandemic hit. Best I could do at that time was a RTX 3050 from a GTX 1650. I felt lucky at that time just paying $100 more than I should have. Since that time to now the big upturn the question would be, how long will folks be before upgrading? New builds are down. Plus the economy is bad and disposable income is not much these days. A.I. is the cash cow for Card companies.
10 years as GPUs that are actually better than the last one seem to come out once per decade also driver support seems to only last a decade. So most likely going to get a RTX 5090 to replace my RTX 980. Yeah the 5090 isn't released yet nor has it have been 10 years since i built my computer. Really nVidia sucks for value and the only reason i am going with it is CUDA is propriety to nVidia. As i use the same machine for 3D modeling and AI processing as i do for gaming having CUDA is needed. If i could afford 2 computers i would get 2 but nVidia GPUs are not cheap and the one for gaming would also be a high end GPU just most likely with less VRAM and much cheaper. Less VRAM as games don't use 24GB of VRAM. Going by reviews at most games at this time at most use around 12GB of VRAM and around 12GB of system RAM at the same time. Still AMD's 16GB card is cheaper the problem would be the rest of the system would probably still be expensive to have it feel the same as this one is right now. Yes 10yr old production focused PC hardware is still good in 2023 just it is getting to the point that i might need a upgrade if not just for gaming but AI compute will run a lot quicker.
The Rx 6800xt supply is drying about now. This is going to be a 6800xt with an AV1 encoder and more efficient architecture for probably 50 to 100$ more, so a big price increase for features gamers don't need but are forced to buy because the 6800xt is simply not going to be available after two to three months.
This is just more proof that AMD has given up this gen... And of course, it will probably be priced about $100 more than it probably should be. That said, Nvidia is going to continue with its shady practices for as long as they lack competition - then again, seeing how they are focused primarily on B2B AI opportunities, I'd expect "shortages" to get worse over the next year, not to mention a delay on any 50 series cards. AI is the new crypto, from a GPU business perspective.
I cant imagine the 7800xt being actually worse in performance then the 6800xt but I could see it being barely an upgrade if even an upgrade other then features. The real kicker will be where the price points of the 7800xt and eventually 7700xt (if there even is one) come in at with their level of performance compared to the 6000xt series cards. Though it does feel like the 7900xtx was the upgrade for the 6900xt and the 7900xt was the upgrade for the 6800xt, so the 7800xt may just be the upgrade for the 6700xt, and they messed up their naming scheme because the marketing team are dumb. Of course that would be disappointing. If the price is right and some level up upgrade over the 6800xt is there then it may be a good choice for anyone who has an older system and is ready to upgrade but likely wont be a good choice for anyone with a 6700xt or 6800xt already. I was kind of hoping for more though as I have a 6750xt and was looking to upgrade to a 7800xt when it eventually came out as the 7900s are a little too much for me to spend and the 4080 and 4090 are way out of my price range. But by the looks of things I may be waiting to see what happens with 8000 series and see if I can grab a deal on a used 6950xt / 7900xt or something when the less informed upgrade to 7000 and 8000 over the next year or so. They really could have just called the 7900xtx the 7900xt waited a bit longer and then release the 7900xt as the 7800xt and then the soon to come out 7800xt could have been the 7700xt and no one would have known the difference and likely would actually be happy with every thing. They could have then even had the potential 7700xt come out as a 7650xt or even 7600xt as there is no xt model of the 7600.
Bad news after bad news, nothing good will hapen for years it seems. Who wouldve thought that Intel is the only hope to save the gpu market lol. Meanwhile I think used is the way to go now.
I have a feeling this was supposed to be the RX 7700 XT, Nvidia and AMD keep trying to upsell us.
My PC is now 4 years old and I would love to build a new one. The problem is that I can't justify a cost of +/-2500$ for a gaming PC, when games are terrible..
We are experiencing companies reaching the limits of silicon. Can’t wait for single atom transistor mass production
I have spent a lot of my personal time researching and understanding how the current state of silicon and technology compares to the theoretical maximum limits of silicon. I also have a degree in electrical engineering(not that that makes me some kind of an expert) I personally believe that there are a couple orders of magnitude of performance left to be extracted from silicon as we understand it. I agree that we are reaching a point that creating a usable process node that gets a noticeable gain is becoming increasingly difficult(resulting in higher costs for manufacturers)but this comes down to the limits of architecture as well as the limits of the current euv equipment and the understanding there of. Even if we were at some sort of hard limit of silicon, many advancements will come in the form of architectural, software/drivers as well as multidie and stacking. Advancements will not slow down.. but they will become more expensive. Moore's law is indeed dead as we know it.
We need to start calling them what they are. It's a 7700XT. both companies have pulled this shit and you know what? It's worked because we've allowed this.
It's not too late to start a grand relabelling.
Bravo, i totally agree! Great video. I will skip this gen of gpus.
I bought a RX 6950xt for $569 new a couple weeks ago for my backup machine and it is on the heels of the 7900xt where does the 7800xt stand in are they hoping that RX 6000 cards sell out and loose the comparison?
i upegreded my pc 1080ti to x670ee mb with 7700x cpu and rtx 4080 oc and love it good for 10 years playin at 1440p
I buy a new GPU not for frame rates but for new features. However, most folks are not like me. I think most folks bought GPUs after the miners and scalpers sold theirs off. Which cut sells of new cards in appearance. However, the ones scraping by upgraded and the market shrank after that. I had not built a new computer for 7 years. Started just before the Plandemic hit. Best I could do at that time was a RTX 3050 from a GTX 1650. I felt lucky at that time just paying $100 more than I should have. Since that time to now the big upturn the question would be, how long will folks be before upgrading? New builds are down. Plus the economy is bad and disposable income is not much these days. A.I. is the cash cow for Card companies.
10 years as GPUs that are actually better than the last one seem to come out once per decade also driver support seems to only last a decade. So most likely going to get a RTX 5090 to replace my RTX 980. Yeah the 5090 isn't released yet nor has it have been 10 years since i built my computer. Really nVidia sucks for value and the only reason i am going with it is CUDA is propriety to nVidia. As i use the same machine for 3D modeling and AI processing as i do for gaming having CUDA is needed.
If i could afford 2 computers i would get 2 but nVidia GPUs are not cheap and the one for gaming would also be a high end GPU just most likely with less VRAM and much cheaper. Less VRAM as games don't use 24GB of VRAM. Going by reviews at most games at this time at most use around 12GB of VRAM and around 12GB of system RAM at the same time. Still AMD's 16GB card is cheaper the problem would be the rest of the system would probably still be expensive to have it feel the same as this one is right now.
Yes 10yr old production focused PC hardware is still good in 2023 just it is getting to the point that i might need a upgrade if not just for gaming but AI compute will run a lot quicker.
The Rx 6800xt supply is drying about now. This is going to be a 6800xt with an AV1 encoder and more efficient architecture for probably 50 to 100$ more, so a big price increase for features gamers don't need but are forced to buy because the 6800xt is simply not going to be available after two to three months.
Haha, it’s cheaper than the 6800xt if not same price
This is just more proof that AMD has given up this gen... And of course, it will probably be priced about $100 more than it probably should be. That said, Nvidia is going to continue with its shady practices for as long as they lack competition - then again, seeing how they are focused primarily on B2B AI opportunities, I'd expect "shortages" to get worse over the next year, not to mention a delay on any 50 series cards. AI is the new crypto, from a GPU business perspective.
I cant imagine the 7800xt being actually worse in performance then the 6800xt but I could see it being barely an upgrade if even an upgrade other then features. The real kicker will be where the price points of the 7800xt and eventually 7700xt (if there even is one) come in at with their level of performance compared to the 6000xt series cards. Though it does feel like the 7900xtx was the upgrade for the 6900xt and the 7900xt was the upgrade for the 6800xt, so the 7800xt may just be the upgrade for the 6700xt, and they messed up their naming scheme because the marketing team are dumb. Of course that would be disappointing. If the price is right and some level up upgrade over the 6800xt is there then it may be a good choice for anyone who has an older system and is ready to upgrade but likely wont be a good choice for anyone with a 6700xt or 6800xt already.
I was kind of hoping for more though as I have a 6750xt and was looking to upgrade to a 7800xt when it eventually came out as the 7900s are a little too much for me to spend and the 4080 and 4090 are way out of my price range. But by the looks of things I may be waiting to see what happens with 8000 series and see if I can grab a deal on a used 6950xt / 7900xt or something when the less informed upgrade to 7000 and 8000 over the next year or so.
They really could have just called the 7900xtx the 7900xt waited a bit longer and then release the 7900xt as the 7800xt and then the soon to come out 7800xt could have been the 7700xt and no one would have known the difference and likely would actually be happy with every thing. They could have then even had the potential 7700xt come out as a 7650xt or even 7600xt as there is no xt model of the 7600.
If RX 7800XT will have $550 MSRP it will be hard sell, if This GPU will have ~$600 MSRP then it will be imposible to sell.
AMD hey lets take the 6800 and rename it not to 7800 but 7800XT. What a bunch of clowns.
This should have been the 7700xt..
Yup, it's actually the 7700 XT if we go by the die, specs, and speculated performance.
Bro forget AMD and Nvidia.. intel is new King. Only intel is trying to save pc gaming..
Bad news after bad news, nothing good will hapen for years it seems. Who wouldve thought that Intel is the only hope to save the gpu market lol. Meanwhile I think used is the way to go now.