I'm an engineer and formerly cellular industry. I know all about the cellular infrastructure and technology yet you all informed me more on the end user technology needs than all the years I was inside the cell industry and all the other TH-cam videos. Plan simple understandable and practice straight truth. Plus straight forward to gimmicks demonstrations. Great advice at the end too.
I help folks with this stuff all the time. This is the first time I've seen your videos and they're a perfect mix of technical and non-technical information. Liked and subscribed. Keep up the good work!
🙋♀️ hello! What would you recommend for rural areas? Is there anything out there under 60 dollars that's decent? If you do this for a living I apologize for asking, it's just I really don't know anything about tech nowadays. Thank you very much. If this is your work I understand if you can't answer.
@@dixiecyrus8136 if you are just looking for internet and can’t get traditional service, I’d recommend looking into cellular home options. You may find a local WIFI provider if you’re lucky, but that can be hit and miss. Just go to all your local cell stores and see who has the best option. Because we’re on their TH-cam page, I would also consider becoming an aficionado if you want more directed content. Their guides are great and I suspect they would provide you with one on one advice if necessary. Have a good one!
Gosh you guys are so helpful. We are just weekenders and not full timers but being without cell service and wifi drives us nuts. We are reliant on it for emergency work situations. This is so helpful as we try to figure out how we are going to improve this. THANK YOU
I'm so glad I found this video. I've been pulling my hair out all weekend trying to figure out why every time I turn our booster on, our download speed drops to nearly 1 Mbps even though our signal strength was going from weak to very good! I did notice it made our upload speeds somewhat better, but the whole point in buying the booster was to improve our crappy download speeds. I bet I've been on the roof 10 times moving this stupid yagi around. Hopefully I can still return it.
Good Explanation of the Differences, and the Pros and Cons. Current cellular (sim card) router doesn't accept external antenna's. All of its own antennas are internal too. I only have one tower that I can really reach, and its a little over 6 miles away. Can barely get a cell signal outside, often can't text. With a booster inside the house (with outdoor pole antenna), get decent signal inside the house. Currently have panel style outdoor antenna (as that is what the booster came with) which doesn't make sense for my situation, due to there only being one tower I can reach. I only get about 8mb download, 10-12 up (which I do need upload speeds for uploading videos and other at times). No reason to spread the signal out like a panel antenna does just for one tower. So I ordered a directional antenna which I can point to that one tower. Have yet to install it, but hope it brings in better signal/high down speeds.
Y'all are an invaluable source for people like me in rural areas that can't get internet for nothing I spent 500 bucks on the surecall fusion 4home yagi/whip antenna and it barely gets me 1-3 MBPS and I get nothing when it storms
just brilliant.. because it was packed full of really clear understandable information.. and also becasue your swapping back and forth was so light and fluid and lovely.. not an easy thing to do ina mostly live not overly eddited video.. really well done guys.. thank you..
Wow! Great video. We are trying to figure out how best to connect from our off-grid property in the white mountains of Arizona. This video was incredibly helpful. I subscribed.
I dont mean to be so offtopic but does anybody know a way to get back into an instagram account? I somehow lost the password. I love any assistance you can give me.
@Manuel Vivaan thanks for your reply. I got to the site through google and im waiting for the hacking stuff now. I see it takes quite some time so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
Thanks for all the information. In our case, our new homesite was to far from any towers to make calls. If you did get out, it would drop the signal or the connection was so bad, nobody could understand me. Internet would time out. The only thing we could do was text but you couldn’t attach anything. 1tx was the best signal. Decided to spend the money and try MIMO. Bought a Omni directional (inexpensive) antenna and got a 8800L jetpack from Verizon. Attached it to our barn (house under construction) turned it on and we’re getting 4g (2 bars) clear phone calls, and internet at 12-15 megabits. Couldn’t be happier. Once the house is done, I’ll get a directional antenna.
This video is awesome and is why we always send people to yall for information. We have a 8800L and the Surecall helps about 20% of the time which makes it worth it for us as we run our business over the internet and boondock a ton. Especially uploading videos! We just picked up the MIMO and I'm excited to start testing it as well. Thanks for the great video! Safe travels! -Thomas
Can you guys do a remote only video? It’s sounds like you’re saying the booster is best for this. I’m west of the Rockies and i think East Coast peeps have almost no idea when it comes to this application. Im very close to never camping anywhere where there’s more than 0-1 bar. Often I have to drive in towards a city to run work tasks and am hoping to do some remote working
Here's our post on boondocking that covers options: www.rvmoblieintenret.com/boondocking - so much comes down to your needs. And in truly remote locations away from cell towers, Starlink is likely your best option.
@@MobileInternetResourceCenter Lol I didn’t know what boone docking referred to. Ironically one of your posts talked about “coopers landing”… which is not too far from my hometown Columbia Missouri. Its funny you hear this location discussed as being somewhat remote. 😬
Thanks for your great videos, they are easy to understand! I have just started to research getting a WiFi signal when camping in the boonies and your videos are so very helpful.
Another great video guys! FYI - I believe you are missing the "rv" in the domain name from your example links for the weBoost and Netgear links. Existing links route to a different company.
GREAT VIDEO! We moved to rural GA with no internet options so for the past 2 years I have been running our businesses off of 6 different Verizon devices. I ordered my second Mifi last week and have been looking for an antenna option. It's funny, everyone I have spoken to at Verizon all said there aren't antenna ports on the 8800L. You're video blew my mind because I thought I was loosing it when everyone told me there aren't ports. Thank you for the great videos!
First, fantastic information. But sincerest apologies for this second point, OMG you are the luckiest man I know. Holy Smokes. OK, just had to say that. And thanks again for the great content.
You guys seem so sweet. Plus I've been looking everyone for info on this stuff (I'm an IT guy an pretty good at internet research) but only paid articles seem to show up on Google. Crazy thing is, you guys just showed up way down on my recommended list, I didn't find this on a search. (You should put all the names of cellular providers in your descriptions/titles. That might help with search.)
Glad you found us. If you were searching for the topic of this video, I'm sure it would have shown up. This one has little to do specifically with the carriers themselves - and we believe in authenticity, not playing SEO games. Besides, much better when folks find us organically.
I live in a valley in a rainforest in Eastern Australia, 20 km (about 12 miles) to the nearest tower (and the jungle canopy behind our house is in the way at my end.) We get barely a bar of signal in a few places outside, nothing inside. I put an 18Dbi yagi antenna outdoors on a 3 meter tall mast, I attached the mast to the eves, connected the antenna to a booster with the right bandwidth, pointed it at the tower and used a small 4db paddle antenna indoors. The booster sees 3 bars of signal coming in, the phones and other devices see 5 bars of signal from the booster. The 5 bar reading on the phone is "meaningless" in the sense that it is only showing the signal it's picking up from the booster's indoor antenna, but the three bar signal input on the booster's LCD shows the input signal the booster receives. So I'm really getting about three bars of signal indoors now. With the monsoons coming, this is going to be a much better system than the old one of leaving the phone on the roof of the car in the yard to send or receive a text and waiting until I'm going out for something to make voice calls. Reason the booster makes sense in my situation comes down to two things. One, distance, two, we're a house, we don't move around like a boat so a directional gain boost is perfect. On a boat you want good signal in all directions, so yes, a MIMO panel antennae is a good move, one with two offset dipoles is even better. You want it as high as possible. You could even hook that up to the cell booster as the outdoor antenna if you wanted, if you were cruising somewhere more than a few miles to the nearest tower. Stationary setups like cabins or rural homes that are a long way from the nearest tower would be better served with a setup like mine. *IF YOU'RE THINKING OF GETTING A SIGNAL BOOSTER, FIRST OF ALL FIND OT WHAT BAND YOUR PHONE OR MODEM IS USING BEFORE YOU BUY ANYTHING!* On iphone you dial *3001#12345#* and press the call button, then click Serving Cell Info. On android there's an app called LTE Discovery that tells you what band you're on among other things.
Heh, I like that you guys did this off the coast of GA. I'm really glad you showed the difference between two of the biggest carriers. As a resident of middle GA, it is the complete opposite in my area. Two bars of AT&T is not the same as two bars of Verizon. AT&T walks the dog on Verizon for data speed in my area. For example, I can get 12MB/s on AT&T with two bars and with Verizon it's about 3-4MB/s. No boosters just with device antennas.
Thanks! Yes, there are many factors besides signal strength that determine actual data-speeds, including many things a customer has no control over. It's one of the realities of cellular data connections.
Thank you for your explicit gestures it helps a lot when English is not your native language, I don’t think it is stupid I think it is very helpful Thanks
Selling my woodcrafts at an 8-weekend renaissance faire, taking payments with mobile phone connected point of sale systems… in cell service hell. Holy crapshoot, you two could be making a mint offering every one of us the direct tech advice each building within the fairegrounds needs.
Great video I use to work for cable company and people at the end of line would always so just put a booster on it. It wasn't a fix all.thing with boosters they get better signal but picture would go much worse. Back to MiMO I have good signal outside not great. I bought antenna small one. It really helped so much. I was focused on the bars from 3 to 4 back and forth. When I look at the DB I was only loosing like 2 db that would make it go down. Sometimes if it's back and forth may not be as bad as u think. Great video
From a fellow cruiser looking for a straight forward simple solution, you made my day with the hands on comparison. Great job on cutting through the hype.
Thank you so much for this video. I'll be moving into my Promaster 2500 next week. I don't need to upload any videos or spend much time doing video calls. I'm just hoping to have a strong enough signal to check my emails and do pretty basic things on the internet. After watching this video, I think I will be trying one of those reasonably priced MIMO antennas. Currently my cell phone service provider is Google Fi. I'm still thinking about switching my phone service to Verizon, or getting a jet pack, mobile hotspot, or using my Google Pixel Slate laptop with Verizon's unlimited plan. I'm still pretty confused about everything, but at least this video helped me understand a lot more than anything else I've seen or read. Thank you.
Hey there! So what would you suggest for a home? We live in Scottsdale Arizona in a good sized city. We have full bars in most all rooms except one main room where we have a single bar and choppy download speeds. Would you suggest any particular setup to increase and optimize data speeds and strength? Also, Our WiFi is via Ethernet however, the fastest plan in this neighborhood is pretty slow (no fiber yet) and so we don’t use Wi-Fi calling on our phones. Just FYI. Thanks much ! You guys do an awesome very informative job with your videos! 😊
I'm all ears... hahaha I bought the WeBoost booster about 2 weeks before you sent an announcement to wait, as you had some news. $500 bucks... but I am often in the mountains of Colorado and where I had such a weak signal as soon as I tried to do anything it would go away. With the booster, I could actually make calls and some Internet, but it wasn't good enough to use my phone as a hot spot, which I often do. I only have Verizon. Bottom line - for those weeks I had it, it helped tremendously. Before the booster in that location, I had to drive a couple miles down the road and sit in my car to make calls or get on the internet. I am a MIA member.
Excellent video and explanations. Can you use mimo with the boosters? Such as, running two yagi antennas, pointing the same direction 90 degrees rotated, feeding two separate boosters, feeding two separate indoor antennas?
@@MobileInternetResourceCenter That makes sense. I might think the antennas would have been oriented in opposite polarities of each other. I wonder if anyone with extreme RF engineering skills has been able to successfully pull this off.
Just stumbled upon your channel, and this video provided excellent information on mobile phone access, that I had been looking for. Thank you very much.
I have a netgear m5. After using a directional antenna the internal antennas do not seem to be working correctly there after, have you seen this issue?
There is so much information I'm not sure which one to pick. LOL. I am trying to work on the road because we are full-time rvers and I'm having a terrible time with service and speeds. What do you suggest for working on the road?
Here's our resources for working remotely over mobile internet all in one place: www.rvmobileinternet.com/working-remotely If you're a member and would like additional guidance, please do post in our forums so our team can assist.
Great video. I watched it a couple of times to catch all the details. But can you clarify whether the advantage of multiple atennas for Rx is for hearing from multiple towers, multiple frequencies/spreading from the same tower, or just multipath of the same signal. In the ear analogy, you typically are not listening to two different sources, but the same source (signal) with different angles and characteristics. Early in the video, you speak of getting signals from "all around", but then at ~2:20 you mention picking up "the same signal but 4 slightly different versions of it". I still think I understand that booster only gives you "one version" of the signal.
For a couple years as a nomad I've used the Drive Reach and it almost always provides great reception. I'm planning to get that Netgear MIMO and a Verizon MiFi with a device that supports it, as I'm currently in a deadzone that the booster just doesn't fix. (-128db without the booster and - 118db with the booster and a 10db proxicast external antenna.)
Hello, thanks for your answer.. In the minute 12:10 you test the jackpot connect directly to the MIMO omni directional antenna... The question is: do You test connecting this MIMO antenna to the outside antenna port on booster to see results inside?? thanks sorry for my english..
Thanks for the helpful info. If I get a MIMO antenna, then hook it to a hotspot router, wouldn't I have the additional expense of cell service for the router? Maybe I'm missing something.
Cel fi Quatra boosters are MIMO but theses aren't designed for small roaming applications yet. For boosters to remain competitive moving forward, providers need to develop MIMO versions for roaming applications like ships because out at sea spacial diversity can dramatically enhance ability to process a weaker signal as you mention with "two ears" . The best thing about a booster vs a mimo antenna plus modem router application is boosters are very easy to set and usually very easy and robust for end user to connect to providing they use the carrier bring booster. They also don't require a secondary wifi network when used on portable devices such as mobile phones.
ok, great video. I have an RV and really try to avoid putting more holes through the roof. Question, do the MIMO frequency penetrate fiberglass and aluminum? If so I could just put a MIMO antenna in one of the upper cabinets? Second question, I do have a Winegard roof antenna, is that MIMO? Sorry if these questions seem trivial to you but I really do not know anything about this subject... Thanks.
MIMO is not a special frequency, it's just a method to combine frequencies. And yes, there are MIMO antennas that can be used inside and work great, especially when placed in a window. One of our Top Picks: www.rvmobileinternet.com/gear/netgear-mimo/
Great video guys, such an easy explanation! I have a quick question for you, I am moving to an area with no hardwire hookup and very bad 3g/4g reception.. I can get 1 or 2 bars of 4g on the roof, I'm thinking if I were to set up a mimo antenna, put my modem in the roof space and run a data from the modem to a switch where I plan on a full Ubiquiti router/WAP setup. This would take care of my data, then for voice calls I could get a cheap booster online and use this for extending my signal into the house, as I wouldn't be using this for data it could work fine. Does this sound like the best option? Thanks guys
Yes.. cable length definitely makes a difference. Hey, look.. we have a guide to that too :) www.rvmobileinternet.com/guides/cables-connectors-and-adapters/
Hey guys, thanks for the great info and demos. I did notice you seemed to use omni directional for the boost tests but pointed the mimo at the tower. From what I understand omni are easy to use but aren't near as effective as a directional antenna directed at the tower like you did the mimo. I don't expect it would be hugely better at 8 mi. but would certainly show a difference when distance increased.
I have to say, this is very informative! This stopped me from buy a single antennae band 28 booster for my CAT 4 4g lte Huawei E5573 band 28 MiFi (jetpack). I'm using a provider who has only listed band 28 as their transceiver band so I donno about carrier aggregation with them. All their provider locked devices don't go past CAT 4 which makes me think their masts don't support carrier aggregation, is there a way of finding it out without first buying a CAT 9 - 18 device? Does using a SMA Female to Y type Dual TS9 Male Splitter combiner coming from the booster to the jetpack solve the problem of failing to use the full capacity of the jetpack or will I need a 2nd booster for the 2nd TS9 connector port on the jetpack with its own antenna?
@@MobileInternetResourceCenter thanks for that. I wanted to get some clarification on one thing about the CAT 4 jetpacks with two antenna ports, if you can connect each antenna port to an independent booster, will that solve the issue of getting low download data speeds and high upload data speeds?
It's difficult to predict what will work best for a specific location. We focus on mobile - trying to find solutions that work 'most of the time' as we travel.
Great video. Came across it while looking for an external antenna. We have a cabin up in the remote part of Maine so this will be great for getting the optimal signal. Keep up the great videos.
I have the Netgear MIMO antenna you are testing, and I see the same results. Close to double the download speed of my boosted single antenna. My question is....could I add a booster on each antenna cable out of the MIMO before connecting to the Jetpack to get even faster speeds?
So how can you attach a memo antenna to a cell phone? Also which cell phones have the 4 speakers inside? Thank You!! Love your videos!! Blessed Travels
wow!!! this is some great information. So where online do you go to order a mimo antenna? Can you please post a link for this? Also will MIMO work for my smart hub as well and other cellphones?
Would you recommend either of these options for isolated locations in the mountains. I have grandparents that live remotely and experience terrible cell phone service due to a lack of towers in the area. I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on the matter, very informative content! thanks
It's hard to say for a specific location what will work best without testing gear at the location. We are a mobile internet channel for RVers and boaters.
I have a Netgear att nighthawk mobile router, using a mimo 4G-Antenne, it was working great for months. But then AT&t did something, so now when I plug in my antenna I get disconnected from the network! Do you guys have any ideas on what might be going on? Thank you for your great videos and help.
Invaluable Info !! Bazillion thanks. How come Verizon Jetpack MiFi 8800L got such bad reviews on VZW website ? Which has better coverage in Maine, VZW or ATT ? Thanks
Just finished watching this vid and while very informative, has raised further questions for me... My husband is a truck driver (we're in Canada) and he often is in the bush...far from towers. We have invested in several cell boosters previously that have helped sometimes, while other times not...with a range in prices... I was currently looking at the webeoost drive otr (with the large cylinder antenna on a post) for his truck. However, as mentioned in the vid, comes at a whopping $650+ price tag. Now, given the info in this vid, at the times when my husband is out in the bush, a booster seems to be the best choice. But will a cheaper booster work just as good as an expensive one if it has the higher and larger antenna? Now, he also gets extremely frustrated when he is in the city or just outside the city where he should have no problem with signal and it still drops calls or he isn't able to view emails, social media, get messages, etc. Now, in these instances, would it be better to get him a mifi? Or a mifi and antenna? And if so, should he "turn off" the cell phone booster to achieve the best results? Also, is it better to have a dual band mifi instead of single? Or will it not make much difference? If the coverage service from our specific cellular provider is not as good as other providers, would using the SIM from our provider cause the same issues seen on the phone as an unlocked mifi device? Sorry I know that's a lot of questions...hopefully u can help with them all!! Thanks!! :)
You can find our full guide to cellular data performance and signal enhancing here: www.rvmobileinternet.com/cellsignal. If you're a member, please do post questions you have in our member forums and we can address them there (and you also have access to our indepth reviews and field testing data from multiple solutions).
Generally the reason boosters won't improve speeds is be because they will increase noise and signal. Hard to say the CQI and MCS will increase in order to get higher speeds. Also, MIMO isn't as effective in that marine locations, because of course mimo is for multipath environments, particularly those with fast fading - which of course marine is neither. I get about 15% improvement.
Thanks for the great video! What about the fact that the vast majority of boosters do not support some of the new bands such as Band 66 or Band 71 for T-mobile which they are rolling out everywhere to provide extra bandwidth and a larger coverage area? Also, when you mentioned cost... since cell phones don't have MIMO ports, it means the MIMO option requires paying for a jetpack plan... which means $300 PER YEAR and often with less data than a normal cell plan. After two years, the weboost would be cheaper despite its initial cost.
Most cell phone plans have limited mobile hotspot limits too, and nor are smartphones overly ideal to rely on for an internet connection ... so those relying on cellular for a primary connection usually seek higher data cap router/hotspot plans anyway. And yes, we do cover the limited frequency band coverage of a booster in our booster guide: www.rvmobileinternet.com/boosters
@@MobileInternetResourceCenter My T-mobile plan has 50gb of priority data, and then after the 50gb it's deprioritized but still unlimited and fast. The costs is just $35 per month (part of a family plan). I work on the road and use between 20 and 80gb per month and it works great. A Verizon jetpack will cost $65 for only 30GB ($780 per year), and that's on top of the cell phone bill that people are already paying! That booster guide you linked to has some great info on the limited support of bands for boosters - most articles I've read completely ignore the missing band issue.
If you for example using 4x4 mimo router and quad mobile antenna, connect 2 antenna cables directly to router, and on other 2 add signal boosters befor connecting them on other 2 ports, would you have download and upload speed increased simultaneously?
what about running multiple boosters one for hibands and one for lowbands?? would that still work in a mimo type set up?? already buying multiple yagi antennas and cables but I want to run boosters as well but have a Mofi4500 so mimo is very important
It might be silly, and definitely very expensive, but I'm curious if having 2 boosters on at the same time would allow MIMO of the phone or jetpack to still work out? Anyways, there will be 3 of us in a travel trailer out in campgrounds doing video conferencing, so I'm trying to find a robust, cost effective system that will provide solid up/down speeds. Thanks!
I'm an engineer and formerly cellular industry. I know all about the cellular infrastructure and technology yet you all informed me more on the end user technology needs than all the years I was inside the cell industry and all the other TH-cam videos. Plan simple understandable and practice straight truth. Plus straight forward to gimmicks demonstrations. Great advice at the end too.
Thank you.. that warms our team's hearts.
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three weeks, countless internet forums and youtube videos later.... you answered all my questions in one video... You guys are heroes 👌
Finally a video on the internet without the commercial magic words but real content. Thank you guys.
Best explanation ever for a non-techie to follow. Thank you.
And i agree with you Best explanation ever 👍👍
The lady knows her stuff! Simple, straight forward explanations makes this a must see video.
I help folks with this stuff all the time. This is the first time I've seen your videos and they're a perfect mix of technical and non-technical information. Liked and subscribed. Keep up the good work!
🙋♀️ hello! What would you recommend for rural areas? Is there anything out there under 60 dollars that's decent? If you do this for a living I apologize for asking, it's just I really don't know anything about tech nowadays. Thank you very much. If this is your work I understand if you can't answer.
@@dixiecyrus8136 if you are just looking for internet and can’t get traditional service, I’d recommend looking into cellular home options. You may find a local WIFI provider if you’re lucky, but that can be hit and miss. Just go to all your local cell stores and see who has the best option. Because we’re on their TH-cam page, I would also consider becoming an aficionado if you want more directed content. Their guides are great and I suspect they would provide you with one on one advice if necessary. Have a good one!
@@marcuhrich3784 thank you😁
Gosh you guys are so helpful. We are just weekenders and not full timers but being without cell service and wifi drives us nuts. We are reliant on it for emergency work situations. This is so helpful as we try to figure out how we are going to improve this. THANK YOU
Great videos! I send some of our customers and prospects to your channel from time to time to get easy-to-understand information! Thanks!
I'm so glad I found this video. I've been pulling my hair out all weekend trying to figure out why every time I turn our booster on, our download speed drops to nearly 1 Mbps even though our signal strength was going from weak to very good! I did notice it made our upload speeds somewhat better, but the whole point in buying the booster was to improve our crappy download speeds. I bet I've been on the roof 10 times moving this stupid yagi around. Hopefully I can still return it.
Thank you for all the help. You made a pretty intimidating topic very approachable.
The mouth and ears analogy made the content easy to understand, thank you.
Good Explanation of the Differences, and the Pros and Cons. Current cellular (sim card) router doesn't accept external antenna's. All of its own antennas are internal too. I only have one tower that I can really reach, and its a little over 6 miles away. Can barely get a cell signal outside, often can't text. With a booster inside the house (with outdoor pole antenna), get decent signal inside the house. Currently have panel style outdoor antenna (as that is what the booster came with) which doesn't make sense for my situation, due to there only being one tower I can reach. I only get about 8mb download, 10-12 up (which I do need upload speeds for uploading videos and other at times). No reason to spread the signal out like a panel antenna does just for one tower. So I ordered a directional antenna which I can point to that one tower. Have yet to install it, but hope it brings in better signal/high down speeds.
Y'all are an invaluable source for people like me in rural areas that can't get internet for nothing I spent 500 bucks on the surecall fusion 4home yagi/whip antenna and it barely gets me 1-3 MBPS and I get nothing when it storms
"bars are meaningless" ... unless you're looking for a drink! :-). Seriously, great video!!
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They aren't. They will indicate the best position.
just brilliant.. because it was packed full of really clear understandable information..
and also becasue your swapping back and forth was so light and fluid and lovely..
not an easy thing to do ina mostly live not overly eddited video.. really well done guys.. thank you..
Wow! Great explanation! I could have saved hours of research if I would have watched this video first! Thanks Guys!
As usual, great video, I recommend you to Everyone!! You make it simple to understand. Can't thank you enough.
MIMO is the factor that was eluding me. It all makes sense now. Great video!
My T-Mobile's has a hotspot that work for me most of time. I have certainly learned a lot from you two. 👍Thank you so very much.
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Wow! Great video. We are trying to figure out how best to connect from our off-grid property in the white mountains of Arizona. This video was incredibly helpful. I subscribed.
What did you end up using or doing? I'll be working in the white mountains this spring.
I dont mean to be so offtopic but does anybody know a way to get back into an instagram account?
I somehow lost the password. I love any assistance you can give me.
@Giovanni Arturo instablaster ;)
@Manuel Vivaan thanks for your reply. I got to the site through google and im waiting for the hacking stuff now.
I see it takes quite some time so I will get back to you later when my account password hopefully is recovered.
@Manuel Vivaan it worked and I finally got access to my account again. I am so happy!
Thanks so much, you saved my account!
Great video. Thanks. What were the speeds with your phone alone?
Thank you for making videos like these theyre so educational and informative your work is truly valuable to this community.
Thanks for all the information. In our case, our new homesite was to far from any towers to make calls. If you did get out, it would drop the signal or the connection was so bad, nobody could understand me. Internet would time out. The only thing we could do was text but you couldn’t attach anything. 1tx was the best signal. Decided to spend the money and try MIMO. Bought a Omni directional (inexpensive) antenna and got a 8800L jetpack from Verizon. Attached it to our barn (house under construction) turned it on and we’re getting 4g (2 bars) clear phone calls, and internet at 12-15 megabits. Couldn’t be happier. Once the house is done, I’ll get a directional antenna.
This video is awesome and is why we always send people to yall for information. We have a 8800L and the Surecall helps about 20% of the time which makes it worth it for us as we run our business over the internet and boondock a ton. Especially uploading videos! We just picked up the MIMO and I'm excited to start testing it as well. Thanks for the great video! Safe travels!
-Thomas
Can you guys do a remote only video? It’s sounds like you’re saying the booster is best for this. I’m west of the Rockies and i think East Coast peeps have almost no idea when it comes to this application.
Im very close to never camping anywhere where there’s more than 0-1 bar. Often I have to drive in towards a city to run work tasks and am hoping to do some remote working
Here's our post on boondocking that covers options: www.rvmoblieintenret.com/boondocking - so much comes down to your needs. And in truly remote locations away from cell towers, Starlink is likely your best option.
@@MobileInternetResourceCenter Lol I didn’t know what boone docking referred to. Ironically one of your posts talked about “coopers landing”… which is not too far from my hometown Columbia Missouri. Its funny you hear this location discussed as being somewhat remote. 😬
Thanks for your great videos, they are easy to understand! I have just started to research getting a WiFi signal when camping in the boonies and your videos are so very helpful.
Just the video I needed and when I needed it. I got the jetpack as you recommended and it has been incredible. Thank you and safe travels!
Holy moly what is this resource I stumbled on! Thank you guys so much for thsi content!
Wow. Been following u for a few years now is my time to hit the road. You are clear and concise for a novice.
Another great video guys!
FYI - I believe you are missing the "rv" in the domain name from your example links for the weBoost and Netgear links. Existing links route to a different company.
Thanks.. I've corrected the links.
I Just returned a 550 dollars booster because a 10 dollars MIMO antenna outperform the booster. So know everything makes sense. Thank you guys
Well done! I loved how you explained the multi antenna advantage of MIMO. Way easier to understand than my old explanation when talking to people!
Thank you I have watched this several times I really like your explanation and how you make it very easy to understand
Dang! I actually learned something today! Actually more than I've learned studying this stuff for the last couple years! Thanks!
GREAT VIDEO! We moved to rural GA with no internet options so for the past 2 years I have been running our businesses off of 6 different Verizon devices. I ordered my second Mifi last week and have been looking for an antenna option. It's funny, everyone I have spoken to at Verizon all said there aren't antenna ports on the 8800L. You're video blew my mind because I thought I was loosing it when everyone told me there aren't ports. Thank you for the great videos!
First, fantastic information. But sincerest apologies for this second point, OMG you are the luckiest man I know. Holy Smokes. OK, just had to say that. And thanks again for the great content.
You guys seem so sweet. Plus I've been looking everyone for info on this stuff (I'm an IT guy an pretty good at internet research) but only paid articles seem to show up on Google.
Crazy thing is, you guys just showed up way down on my recommended list, I didn't find this on a search.
(You should put all the names of cellular providers in your descriptions/titles. That might help with search.)
Glad you found us. If you were searching for the topic of this video, I'm sure it would have shown up. This one has little to do specifically with the carriers themselves - and we believe in authenticity, not playing SEO games. Besides, much better when folks find us organically.
Good information. I'm so grateful that you took the time and explained this so well.
I live in a valley in a rainforest in Eastern Australia, 20 km (about 12 miles) to the nearest tower (and the jungle canopy behind our house is in the way at my end.) We get barely a bar of signal in a few places outside, nothing inside. I put an 18Dbi yagi antenna outdoors on a 3 meter tall mast, I attached the mast to the eves, connected the antenna to a booster with the right bandwidth, pointed it at the tower and used a small 4db paddle antenna indoors. The booster sees 3 bars of signal coming in, the phones and other devices see 5 bars of signal from the booster.
The 5 bar reading on the phone is "meaningless" in the sense that it is only showing the signal it's picking up from the booster's indoor antenna, but the three bar signal input on the booster's LCD shows the input signal the booster receives. So I'm really getting about three bars of signal indoors now. With the monsoons coming, this is going to be a much better system than the old one of leaving the phone on the roof of the car in the yard to send or receive a text and waiting until I'm going out for something to make voice calls.
Reason the booster makes sense in my situation comes down to two things. One, distance, two, we're a house, we don't move around like a boat so a directional gain boost is perfect. On a boat you want good signal in all directions, so yes, a MIMO panel antennae is a good move, one with two offset dipoles is even better. You want it as high as possible. You could even hook that up to the cell booster as the outdoor antenna if you wanted, if you were cruising somewhere more than a few miles to the nearest tower. Stationary setups like cabins or rural homes that are a long way from the nearest tower would be better served with a setup like mine.
*IF YOU'RE THINKING OF GETTING A SIGNAL BOOSTER, FIRST OF ALL FIND OT WHAT BAND YOUR PHONE OR MODEM IS USING BEFORE YOU BUY ANYTHING!*
On iphone you dial *3001#12345#* and press the call button, then click Serving Cell Info.
On android there's an app called LTE Discovery that tells you what band you're on among other things.
Heh, I like that you guys did this off the coast of GA. I'm really glad you showed the difference between two of the biggest carriers. As a resident of middle GA, it is the complete opposite in my area. Two bars of AT&T is not the same as two bars of Verizon. AT&T walks the dog on Verizon for data speed in my area. For example, I can get 12MB/s on AT&T with two bars and with Verizon it's about 3-4MB/s. No boosters just with device antennas.
Thanks! Yes, there are many factors besides signal strength that determine actual data-speeds, including many things a customer has no control over. It's one of the realities of cellular data connections.
Thank you for your explicit gestures it helps a lot when English is not your native language, I don’t think it is stupid I think it is very helpful
Thanks
Selling my woodcrafts at an 8-weekend renaissance faire, taking payments with mobile phone connected point of sale systems… in cell service hell. Holy crapshoot, you two could be making a mint offering every one of us the direct tech advice each building within the fairegrounds needs.
Setting up for a specific location is a different challenge than our focus - mobility.
Great video I use to work for cable company and people at the end of line would always so just put a booster on it. It wasn't a fix all.thing with boosters they get better signal but picture would go much worse. Back to MiMO I have good signal outside not great. I bought antenna small one. It really helped so much. I was focused on the bars from 3 to 4 back and forth. When I look at the DB I was only loosing like 2 db that would make it go down. Sometimes if it's back and forth may not be as bad as u think. Great video
Thank you so much for doing this video!!! I was going to do the same video as so many people ask us this question! Saved us so much time! Will share!!
Great minds think alike!!
From a fellow cruiser looking for a straight forward simple solution, you made my day with the hands on comparison. Great job on cutting through the hype.
Your voice is perfect for radio or podcasting.
Thank you so much for this video. I'll be moving into my Promaster 2500 next week. I don't need to upload any videos or spend much time doing video calls. I'm just hoping to have a strong enough signal to check my emails and do pretty basic things on the internet. After watching this video, I think I will be trying one of those reasonably priced MIMO antennas. Currently my cell phone service provider is Google Fi. I'm still thinking about switching my phone service to Verizon, or getting a jet pack, mobile hotspot, or using my Google Pixel Slate laptop with Verizon's unlimited plan. I'm still pretty confused about everything, but at least this video helped me understand a lot more than anything else I've seen or read. Thank you.
Thanks for helping us to figure out our options! So we’ll explained
Hey there!
So what would you suggest for a home?
We live in Scottsdale Arizona in a good sized city. We have full bars in most all rooms except one main room where we have a single bar and choppy download speeds.
Would you suggest any particular setup to increase and optimize data speeds and strength?
Also, Our WiFi is via Ethernet however, the fastest plan in this neighborhood is pretty slow (no fiber yet) and so we don’t use
Wi-Fi calling on our phones. Just FYI.
Thanks much ! You guys do an awesome very informative job with your videos! 😊
We are strictly focused on mobile applications... stationary internet is a different approach.
I agree with other posters...You videos offer "spot on" one stop shopping when it comes to the Mobile Universe...Thank You![
Eggsellent! Video quality was great and content was perfect! Love that part of Georgia!
Thank you David... we're loving cruising this area!
I'm all ears... hahaha I bought the WeBoost booster about 2 weeks before you sent an announcement to wait, as you had some news. $500 bucks... but I am often in the mountains of Colorado and where I had such a weak signal as soon as I tried to do anything it would go away. With the booster, I could actually make calls and some Internet, but it wasn't good enough to use my phone as a hot spot, which I often do. I only have Verizon. Bottom line - for those weeks I had it, it helped tremendously. Before the booster in that location, I had to drive a couple miles down the road and sit in my car to make calls or get on the internet. I am a MIA member.
Thanks for being MIA! Indeed, when you need them - boosters are well worth having on board.
Excellent video and explanations.
Can you use mimo with the boosters?
Such as, running two yagi antennas, pointing the same direction 90 degrees rotated, feeding two separate boosters, feeding two separate indoor antennas?
The wireless signals transmitted by the interior antennas would overpower each other and confuse your cellular device.
@@MobileInternetResourceCenter That makes sense. I might think the antennas would have been oriented in opposite polarities of each other. I wonder if anyone with extreme RF engineering skills has been able to successfully pull this off.
Great video, you guys are the RF kings! Great analogies to put things into laymen's terms.
You guys are awesome! Thanks so much for the info!
Just found your channel. I like it. I live off grid and have a TH-cam channel but have been having a hard time uploading..
Just stumbled upon your channel, and this video provided excellent information on mobile phone access, that I had been looking for.
Thank you very much.
EXCELLENT VIDEO! Thanks for making this simple
I have a netgear m5. After using a directional antenna the internal antennas do not seem to be working correctly there after, have you seen this issue?
New to this channel. I’m going to subscribe and learn as much as I can and possibly join your premium group. Thanks very much.
Good stuff. My limited experience agrees - I have only needed my booster 2 times in 40plus campgrounds.
There is so much information I'm not sure which one to pick. LOL. I am trying to work on the road because we are full-time rvers and I'm having a terrible time with service and speeds. What do you suggest for working on the road?
Here's our resources for working remotely over mobile internet all in one place: www.rvmobileinternet.com/working-remotely If you're a member and would like additional guidance, please do post in our forums so our team can assist.
Great video. I watched it a couple of times to catch all the details. But can you clarify whether the advantage of multiple atennas for Rx is for hearing from multiple towers, multiple frequencies/spreading from the same tower, or just multipath of the same signal. In the ear analogy, you typically are not listening to two different sources, but the same source (signal) with different angles and characteristics. Early in the video, you speak of getting signals from "all around", but then at ~2:20 you mention picking up "the same signal but 4 slightly different versions of it". I still think I understand that booster only gives you "one version" of the signal.
All depends on the local signal conditions.
You guys are incredible. Thanks.
Excellent video and exactly what I was looking for. Thank you for doing this!
For a couple years as a nomad I've used the Drive Reach and it almost always provides great reception. I'm planning to get that Netgear MIMO and a Verizon MiFi with a device that supports it, as I'm currently in a deadzone that the booster just doesn't fix. (-128db without the booster and - 118db with the booster and a 10db proxicast external antenna.)
Hello, thanks for your answer.. In the minute 12:10 you test the jackpot connect directly to the MIMO omni directional antenna... The question is: do You test connecting this MIMO antenna to the outside antenna port on booster to see results inside?? thanks sorry for my english..
MIMO antennas would connect to the antenna ports on your router or hotspot.
Thanks for the helpful info. If I get a MIMO antenna, then hook it to a hotspot router, wouldn't I have the additional expense of cell service for the router? Maybe I'm missing something.
Hotspot devices require their own plan - here are our top pick options: www.rvmobileinternet.com/planpicks
11 am Sept 4. Do you have info on connecting two or more cell antennas together for greater signal? Which video? MIMO?
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Here is our guide to cellular data performance as a starting point on this topic: www.rvmobileinternet.com/performance
Cel fi Quatra boosters are MIMO but theses aren't designed for small roaming applications yet. For boosters to remain competitive moving forward, providers need to develop MIMO versions for roaming applications like ships because out at sea spacial diversity can dramatically enhance ability to process a weaker signal as you mention with "two ears" . The best thing about a booster vs a mimo antenna plus modem router application is boosters are very easy to set and usually very easy and robust for end user to connect to providing they use the carrier bring booster. They also don't require a secondary wifi network when used on portable devices such as mobile phones.
Thanks you guys for all the work you do
ok, great video. I have an RV and really try to avoid putting more holes through the roof. Question, do the MIMO frequency penetrate fiberglass and aluminum? If so I could just put a MIMO antenna in one of the upper cabinets? Second question, I do have a Winegard roof antenna, is that MIMO? Sorry if these questions seem trivial to you but I really do not know anything about this subject... Thanks.
MIMO is not a special frequency, it's just a method to combine frequencies. And yes, there are MIMO antennas that can be used inside and work great, especially when placed in a window. One of our Top Picks:
www.rvmobileinternet.com/gear/netgear-mimo/
Great video guys, such an easy explanation!
I have a quick question for you, I am moving to an area with no hardwire hookup and very bad 3g/4g reception.. I can get 1 or 2 bars of 4g on the roof, I'm thinking if I were to set up a mimo antenna, put my modem in the roof space and run a data from the modem to a switch where I plan on a full Ubiquiti router/WAP setup. This would take care of my data, then for voice calls I could get a cheap booster online and use this for extending my signal into the house, as I wouldn't be using this for data it could work fine. Does this sound like the best option? Thanks guys
It's hard to predict for a specific location. We focus on mobile :)
Great stuff! Do you think cable lengths factor in?
I loved that part of Georgia when I worked boats.
Yes.. cable length definitely makes a difference. Hey, look.. we have a guide to that too :) www.rvmobileinternet.com/guides/cables-connectors-and-adapters/
What do you recommend for gaming and livestreaming on platforms like Twitch while on the road using a pc with t-mobile smart phone?
Here are our guides on this topics: www.rvmobileinternet.com/gaming and www.rvmobileinternet.com/broadcasting
Hey guys, thanks for the great info and demos. I did notice you seemed to use omni directional for the boost tests but pointed the mimo at the tower. From what I understand omni are easy to use but aren't near as effective as a directional antenna directed at the tower like you did the mimo. I don't expect it would be hugely better at 8 mi. but would certainly show a difference when distance increased.
Yes, directional vs omni can make a difference. We also tested in that video with an omni MIMO. There are lots of variables in signal enhancing.
I have to say, this is very informative! This stopped me from buy a single antennae band 28 booster for my CAT 4 4g lte Huawei E5573 band 28 MiFi (jetpack). I'm using a provider who has only listed band 28 as their transceiver band so I donno about carrier aggregation with them. All their provider locked devices don't go past CAT 4 which makes me think their masts don't support carrier aggregation, is there a way of finding it out without first buying a CAT 9 - 18 device? Does using a SMA Female to Y type Dual TS9 Male Splitter combiner coming from the booster to the jetpack solve the problem of failing to use the full capacity of the jetpack or will I need a 2nd booster for the 2nd TS9 connector port on the jetpack with its own antenna?
Cat 6 is the first category of modem that supports carrier aggregation. Check out our LTE-Modems video/guide - www.rvmobileinternet.com/lte-modems
@@MobileInternetResourceCenter thanks for that. I wanted to get some clarification on one thing about the CAT 4 jetpacks with two antenna ports, if you can connect each antenna port to an independent booster, will that solve the issue of getting low download data speeds and high upload data speeds?
It's difficult to predict what will work best for a specific location. We focus on mobile - trying to find solutions that work 'most of the time' as we travel.
Great video. Came across it while looking for an external antenna. We have a cabin up in the remote part of Maine so this will be great for getting the optimal signal. Keep up the great videos.
I have the Netgear MIMO antenna you are testing, and I see the same results. Close to double the download speed of my boosted single antenna. My question is....could I add a booster on each antenna cable out of the MIMO before connecting to the Jetpack to get even faster speeds?
There are M2M boosters for this purpose - but in our testing, they don't yield the desired results.
So how can you attach a memo antenna to a cell phone? Also which cell phones have the 4 speakers inside? Thank You!! Love your videos!! Blessed Travels
Cell phones don't have antenna ports, so you can't use these antennas with them.
I wonder if you can take advantage of the internal MIMO if you use two boosters with directional antennas pointed to 2 different towers?
No, the boosters end up interfering with each other.
I'm so thankful you made this video!
wow!!! this is some great information. So where online do you go to order a mimo antenna? Can you please post a link for this? Also will MIMO work for my smart hub as well and other cellphones?
There are many MIMO antennas out there.. here's our guide to selecting them: www.rvmobileinternet.com/cellularantennas
So I might be able to run cables from my Winegard antenna on my RV roof to my T-Mobile Inseego Mifi?
Would you recommend either of these options for isolated locations in the mountains. I have grandparents that live remotely and experience terrible cell phone service due to a lack of towers in the area. I would be very interested to hear your thoughts on the matter, very informative content! thanks
It's hard to say for a specific location what will work best without testing gear at the location. We are a mobile internet channel for RVers and boaters.
I have a Netgear att nighthawk mobile router, using a mimo 4G-Antenne, it was working great for months. But then AT&t did something, so now when I plug in my antenna I get disconnected from the network! Do you guys have any ideas on what might be going on? Thank you for your great videos and help.
I do a lot of zoom video conferences/webinars. Would a booster be the better option since my upload speeds would be really important?
In some locations, it may be a useful tool in your arsenal. More on signal enhancing: www.rvmobileinternet.com/cellsignal
that was awesome. I completely understand now what I need for our RV. Thank you.
Very good explanation. Thank You!
Invaluable Info !! Bazillion thanks. How come Verizon Jetpack MiFi 8800L got such bad reviews on VZW website ? Which has better coverage in Maine, VZW or ATT ? Thanks
The 8800L has ongoing firmware issues that should hopefully be resolved. Check coverage maps of the carriers.
Just finished watching this vid and while very informative, has raised further questions for me...
My husband is a truck driver (we're in Canada) and he often is in the bush...far from towers. We have invested in several cell boosters previously that have helped sometimes, while other times not...with a range in prices...
I was currently looking at the webeoost drive otr (with the large cylinder antenna on a post) for his truck. However, as mentioned in the vid, comes at a whopping $650+ price tag. Now, given the info in this vid, at the times when my husband is out in the bush, a booster seems to be the best choice. But will a cheaper booster work just as good as an expensive one if it has the higher and larger antenna?
Now, he also gets extremely frustrated when he is in the city or just outside the city where he should have no problem with signal and it still drops calls or he isn't able to view emails, social media, get messages, etc. Now, in these instances, would it be better to get him a mifi? Or a mifi and antenna? And if so, should he "turn off" the cell phone booster to achieve the best results? Also, is it better to have a dual band mifi instead of single? Or will it not make much difference?
If the coverage service from our specific cellular provider is not as good as other providers, would using the SIM from our provider cause the same issues seen on the phone as an unlocked mifi device?
Sorry I know that's a lot of questions...hopefully u can help with them all!! Thanks!! :)
You can find our full guide to cellular data performance and signal enhancing here: www.rvmobileinternet.com/cellsignal. If you're a member, please do post questions you have in our member forums and we can address them there (and you also have access to our indepth reviews and field testing data from multiple solutions).
What was that Omni-directional MIMO antenna (white tall slender) that you showed and said you got from LivinLite?
That is the Poynting 402 marine MIMO antenna, which we are currently testing.
Have you done tests on glomex and kvh devices?
Not specifically - but we have them overviewed on the resource center and are familiar with the equipment inside and what to anticipate.
Generally the reason boosters won't improve speeds is be because they will increase noise and signal. Hard to say the CQI and MCS will increase in order to get higher speeds. Also, MIMO isn't as effective in that marine locations, because of course mimo is for multipath environments, particularly those with fast fading - which of course marine is neither. I get about 15% improvement.
I can confirm your findings. I got about a 30db gain with a booster, lost about a 5 mb on the download side but gained speed on the upload side.
Thanks for the great video! What about the fact that the vast majority of boosters do not support some of the new bands such as Band 66 or Band 71 for T-mobile which they are rolling out everywhere to provide extra bandwidth and a larger coverage area? Also, when you mentioned cost... since cell phones don't have MIMO ports, it means the MIMO option requires paying for a jetpack plan... which means $300 PER YEAR and often with less data than a normal cell plan. After two years, the weboost would be cheaper despite its initial cost.
Most cell phone plans have limited mobile hotspot limits too, and nor are smartphones overly ideal to rely on for an internet connection ... so those relying on cellular for a primary connection usually seek higher data cap router/hotspot plans anyway. And yes, we do cover the limited frequency band coverage of a booster in our booster guide: www.rvmobileinternet.com/boosters
@@MobileInternetResourceCenter My T-mobile plan has 50gb of priority data, and then after the 50gb it's deprioritized but still unlimited and fast. The costs is just $35 per month (part of a family plan). I work on the road and use between 20 and 80gb per month and it works great. A Verizon jetpack will cost $65 for only 30GB ($780 per year), and that's on top of the cell phone bill that people are already paying! That booster guide you linked to has some great info on the limited support of bands for boosters - most articles I've read completely ignore the missing band issue.
If you for example using 4x4 mimo router and quad mobile antenna, connect 2 antenna cables directly to router, and on other 2 add signal boosters befor connecting them on other 2 ports, would you have download and upload speed increased simultaneously?
Potentially. Each location has its unique challenges, and boosters have some downsides too.
what about running multiple boosters one for hibands and one for lowbands?? would that still work in a mimo type set up?? already buying multiple yagi antennas and cables but I want to run boosters as well but have a Mofi4500 so mimo is very important
We cover MIMO-booster setups in the member portion of our guide: www.rvmobileinternet.com/boosters
It might be silly, and definitely very expensive, but I'm curious if having 2 boosters on at the same time would allow MIMO of the phone or jetpack to still work out? Anyways, there will be 3 of us in a travel trailer out in campgrounds doing video conferencing, so I'm trying to find a robust, cost effective system that will provide solid up/down speeds. Thanks!
Nope. Would just cause lots of signal noise and interference.
Thank you for a clear explanation