Igor Kipnis (harpsichord) & ensemble. Mozart: Conc. No 9 K271 Jeunehomme, Haydn: Conc. in D Op. 21

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  • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
    @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว +3

    *_Judith Robison wrote as documentation 1/2_*
    From 1760 to 1790, far-reaching and rapid changes
    took place in the European musical world. New tastes
    and styles coincided and competed with old ones, the
    small, intimate drawing-room recital expanded into larger
    concerts, and instruments, began to change their tone and
    character through new mechanical inventions. Esthetically,
    the period was one of intense concern for delicate
    shades of emotion, expressed musically by modulations
    of piano-forte and a cantabile style of phrasing. These
    had always been the characteristics of clavichord playing,
    the soft-toned instrument that J. 5. Bach had regarded as
    the best tutor for the keyboard performer, and the second
    half of the 18th century in Germany and Austria saw an
    upsurge of interest in the clavichord, as well as great enthusiasm
    for the new forte piano.
    With our 20th-century habit of dividing history into
    neat categories, we tend to imagine the piano as springing
    full-blown from the head of Zeus into 18th-century
    salons, pushing the older harpsichord unceremoniously
    out the door, and invincibly coopting the imaginations of
    contemporary composers. Yet Mozart did not buy his
    first forte piano until shortly before 1784, when he was
    28, and Haydn, being older and more conservative, did
    not get his until 1788, when he was 56. During the 70s,
    it had become fashionable for well-to-do music lovers to
    own forte pianos, and both composers, especially Mozart,
    had often played the instrument when invited to perform,
    but its entry into musical life was gradual.
    Mozart (1756-1791) was equally intrigued and frustrated
    by the early forte piano, which he considered a
    bigger and better version of the clavichord. Until he
    visited Andreas Stein's workshop, in October 1777, he
    had not found any make of piano that was mechanically
    up to playing his compositions. The instrument was still
    in its childhood, and problems such as inadequate damping,
    uneven regulation, blocking by the hammers, and a
    workable sustaining pedal were taxing makers' ingenuity.
    As solutions to these problems progressed, Mozart turned
    more and more toward the forte piano as his favorite
    keyboard instrument.
    In his childhood and adolescence, Mozart was famous
    as a harpsichordist and clavichordist, and he continued
    to perform publicly on these instruments until the early
    1780s, when he started carrying his own Walter forte piano
    around with him. He was also skilled on the organ.
    His earlier keyboard works show a mixture of the styles
    of both harpsichord and clavichord, and he played his
    music on either, depending on the circumstances. He was
    as fussy about the mechanical condition of his harpsichords
    as he was about the forte pianos: they should be
    large instruments with a variety of timbre and contrasts,
    in perfect regulation, and preferably with a machine stop
    to control the volume by automatically changing registers.
    These big harpsichords, although more brilliant,
    were equivalent in loudness to the 18th-century forte pianos,
    which, it must be remembered, bore little resemblance
    to our :modern pianos. Mozart's sister Nannerl,
    who never took up the forte piano, refused to perform if
    she felt that the proffered harpsichord was in any way
    defficient.

  • @thomasc390
    @thomasc390 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Thank you! 🌺

  • @pascalolivier7280
    @pascalolivier7280 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    ENFIN! Le VRAI son authentique des concertos de MOZART tels qu'il les a conçus et joués!
    On attend avec impatience les superbes n°18, 20, 21, 22, etc..... Merci à vous et tous nos encouragements!

  • @colinbooth2421
    @colinbooth2421 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I bought this record around 1970. I remember the notes telling me that this concerto was written for a young player who was basically a harpsichordist. Great to hear a fine player reminding us that the harpsichord did and does exist! If anyone can tell me (a harpsichordist) why it has almost dropped from broadcasters' lists, I would be grateful.

    • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
      @HarpsichordVinylGallery  2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Good point, I remember in my youth there was a harpsichord recital every month here in Amsterdam, but the last 30 years it seems that the instruments has vanished.

  • @danawinsor1380
    @danawinsor1380 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This piece is such a magnificent little gem of the repertoire. Mozart was a "kid" when he wrote this (20/21) at least from today's perspective (perhaps not by Mozart's). The piece is fun, to listen to certainly, and I'm guessing to play as well. Thank you Harpsichord Vinyl Gallery (whoever you are, lol).

  • @clavichord
    @clavichord ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Mozart's early to mid period keyboard music sounds blissfully charming on the harpsichord....

  • @fnd111
    @fnd111 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Very professionally produced videos with great sound. ♭ Thanks!

  • @blakeray9856
    @blakeray9856 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This is the very recording I had mentioned earlier today in my comment on the Kipnis recording of Bach. I had been familiar with the Haydn concerto, but not the Mozart, and when I finally did listen to it, I felt my life had changed. It is deeper and more interesting than the Haydn, and more sophisticated in the keyboard writing, and so on. I became life-long fan of Mozart thanks to this recording, and still have it on my shelf today.

    • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
      @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It becomes apparent to me from the comments, that this was a very important recording. However, in Europe I have never seen it at all. Distribution of vinyl recordings from Northern America failed in the age before the CD was introduced (1983/4).

    • @fnd111
      @fnd111 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HarpsichordVinylGallery How did you get a copy? Finding a clean copy in the U.S. is difficult.

    • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
      @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fnd111 A friend in America had a very good copy and on top he cleaned it up manually, removing all the clicks and pops.

    • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
      @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@fnd111 I contacted the one who had sent me his copy:
      "I got my copy at Discogs. There are still many copies for sale, some of them still sealed:www.discogs.com/sell/release/5083563 "

    • @andre_p
      @andre_p 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      ​@@HarpsichordVinylGallery This recording was my introduction to Mozart’s pre-#20 (late) concertos and Haydn’s keyboard works (concertos or sonatas), in the early 1970s. I was immediately struck by the naturalness with which the harpsichord meshed with the simple strings+pair of oboes and horns textures of Mozart’s and Haydn’s works.
      Piquant textures, rythmically alert articulation that make most piano performances sound just a tad too soft and sweet. I’ve listened to dozens of performances of these works on piano/fortepiano and while most are perfectly good, none give this tangible taste of sour cream and paprika that made me smile goofily when I was 17. While the Kipnis/Marriner’s recording of the JS Bach concerti is available, the Mozart/Haydn never made it to CD. Why, oh why ? 😩 .

  • @danawinsor1380
    @danawinsor1380 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    OMG, I never realized this concerto had been recorded on harpsichord! Thank you for posting this wonderful recording!

    • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
      @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      In the interview with the magazine The Harpsichord (1969) Igor Kipnis said:
      "I think there is too much of
      a tendency any way to separate the
      idea of the fortepiano and harpsichord.
      They were very close. I decided
      that the Mozart E flat concerto
      was for the harpsichord. It sounds
      very well on the harpsichord, so I play
      it on the harpsichord. In addition to
      the recording I will play it three times
      with orchestra. One of those performances
      will be in London."

    • @clavichord
      @clavichord ปีที่แล้ว +1

      ​@@HarpsichordVinylGallery Indeed. And even right up to Beethoven's early keyboard sonatas, it was common for his keyboard works to be published as being for both harpsichord or fortepiano... including Beethoven's well known Moonlight sonata. The later dominance of the fortepiano over the harpsichord was a very gradual process during the latter 18th century

    • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
      @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@clavichord I heard from Robert Tifft, the person who made this recording available, that there was another release on the harpsichord by Siegbert Rampe from the early 1990s on the Intercord label

    • @PeterBrownlee-m1i
      @PeterBrownlee-m1i ปีที่แล้ว

      @@HarpsichordVinylGallery Hi David, I thought I sent you the sealed recording of these concertos. You were kind enough to transfer it to CD and post it to me. If you don't actually need my copy of the LP which gifted to you in order to upload to YT, I would like to have it back. Thank you.

    • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
      @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@PeterBrownlee-m1i Hi Peter Brownlee. I guess you are mistaken. HarpsichordVinylGallery at TH-cam is a collaboration between some friends (Daniël Beuman, Robert Tifft and me) and I guess you might refer to David Kelzenberg with 'David'? It might have been that 'David' had sent you a message with a link of the Mozart-performance at TH-cam?
      All the hard labour of transferring the Mozart-vinyl by Kipnis, scanning the documentation and providing the interview with Kipnis from The Harpsichord, was done by Robert Tifft and David has nothing to do with the TH-cam-performance. I guess you should ask David in a personal mail to return the vinyl.

  • @gfweis
    @gfweis ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Somehow I missed this lp. After hearing it here, I immediately bought it. Kipnis & Marriner were a wonderful partnership, as we know from their Bach concertos, so I wasn't surprised to find they were hand-in-glove here. The engineer did an excellent job balancing the hc with the orchestra, which was often not the case when this lp was made. Thanks for this superb post.

    • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
      @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you for your positive reaction. That helps to post some more recordings never released as CD in the future.

  • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
    @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *_Interview with Igor Kipnis magazine The Harpsichord (US) May-July 1969 2/5_*
    A kind Westminster engineer consented
    to do the taping at my home
    since WNYC was not going to pay for
    transporting my harpsichord to the
    studios.
    "One fine day, in the middle of
    winter, we taped a half an hour show.
    We rolled up the rugs, turned off the
    heater because of the knocking which
    was prevalent at that time, and in
    that colossal chill, I started in. That
    first effort was broadcast in 1959 and
    that could be called my official debut.
    "Then one thing led to another.
    A few people had heard the broadcast
    and commented on it. I got to
    play the Fifth Brandenburg with the
    Greenwich Village Symphony and
    that was my live debut.
    "I was still doing many other
    things. I worked for a chain of F.M.
    stations and somehow the boat really
    sank with that company. Actually, I
    should precede that with the fact
    that Westminster went bankrupt also,
    but that was two months after I left
    so that had nothing to do with me.
    The chain of F.M. stations wanted
    me to go to Washington state and I
    told them that that was ridiculous, or
    words to that effect. I was doing more
    and more playing in New York and as
    much as I like Washington, New York
    was the center of all my activities. So
    I found myself without a job.
    What was I to do? Try to find
    a regular job, or go freelance?
    I decided to go freelance.
    I started writing record reviews
    for Hi-Fi/Stereo, which I still do.
    I also started writing concert reviews
    for the now defunct New York Herald
    Tribune. I was there for a year
    when suddenly I found myself being
    reviewed in print by other people who
    reviewed my live concerts. Summer
    came and went, the usual dry season
    and when Fall arrived and musical
    activity started again, no one said anything
    to me about doing reviews again.
    I began to wonder what was wrong, especially
    since I noticed that some of
    my other colleagues were starting in
    with the regular Fall season. I asked
    the Music Editor what was wrong.
    He told me that 'the people upstairs'
    noticed that my name was appearing
    in reviews as well as at the end of reviews.
    Not at the same time, of course,
    but they wanted to know whether I
    was playing or reviewing. I thought I
    had been doing a little bit of both,
    but they didn't care for that, and I
    had to quit. This wasn't really serious
    since I did a lot of hack work writing
    program notes, jacket notes for records
    and things of that sort.
    At this point I took another
    good look at my situation. I had given
    some thoughts about becoming a
    professional for I had already made
    some recordings, although not solo.
    "In January 1962 I made my
    recital debut. At the same time, I got
    my first contract with a small record
    company called Golden Press which
    was a God-send. The one thing I
    think necessary today, if you plan to
    make any kind of career on any instrument,
    whether you are playing
    harpsichord or the kazoo, you have to
    have records. Without them, you don't
    stand a chance. Here I was given an
    opportunity to make two solo records.
    I think I was a little out of my mind
    at the time, but I didn't know any
    better. I made two records in the
    space of two days. Each record was
    about forty minutes of music. One
    was an all Bach collection. The other
    was a Handel Fifth Suite, the Soler
    Fandango, some Bach and a number
    by Dussek: The Sufferings of the
    Queen of France, which is a piece
    I dug up. It is a great programmatic
    thing, if not particularly great piece
    of music. It took them two years to
    release the records. They kept saying
    business was bad. Business is always
    bad in the record world. There doesn't
    ever seem to be a good time of year
    . . . unless of course you have the
    field cornered.
    I was doing more and more
    continuo work both on records and
    live performances. I now had a manager
    and things have been going up
    ever since.
    A year ago I went to Europe
    for the first time. I received a Martha
    Beard Rockefeller Grant because going
    to Europe is expensive, even if
    you are just going by yourself for fun.
    If you want to take a harpsichord
    along with you, it becomes even more
    expensive. I decided I would really
    prefer playing on my own instrument
    so I took it over to Europe by boat,
    in my own car and then rode all
    around Europe.
    THE HARPSICHORD: This is
    rather unique. Most harpsichordists
    usually use the instrument which is
    available.
    KIPNIS : There is a choice
    that I think every harpsichordist must
    make if he wants to play the instrument
    at all. He can play whatever
    happens to be around, in which case
    he's subject to whatever condition
    that instrument is in ... and some of
    them are pretty impossible. Or he
    can carry his own instrument. I think
    there is another problem. There are
    some people who adapt very easily to
    all kinds of instruments. They can
    play the piano and a minute later play
    the harpsichord and a minute later
    play the clavichord. Some people have
    that sort of technique. I'm not entirely
    sure whether they sound well on all
    three, or four, or five or whatever
    it is, but they are able to adapt themselves
    very easily. There are others,
    rather more like myself, who will find
    themselves a little uncomfortable with
    an instrument alien \0 them, and I
    even think with the same make instrument
    but with a different disposition.
    This can throw you very easily.
    "There is one other solution. You
    can ship your instrument by railway
    express, air, truck or some such transportation.
    However, the problem
    there is that sometimes the instrument
    does not arrive on time. I've heard
    all sorts of horror stories from professional
    harpsichordists about their
    instruments not arriving on time.
    They finally wind up doing the recital
    on the piano! This has happened more
    often than any of us would like to
    believe.
    "I have a very good instrument,
    one built by Rutkowski and Robinette,
    and I prefer taking it around. I
    know what the instrument does. Recitals
    in general, are not easy to play.
    That includes any instrument or voice.
    There are always problems with new
    halls and new audiences. So at least
    if you have one thing that is common
    to all of these . . . namely the instrument
    . . . that's one advantage.

  • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
    @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *_Judith Robison wrote as documentation 2/2_*
    The Concerto in E Flat, K. 271, was written in January,
    1777, on commission for a French harpsichordist,
    Mademoiselle Jeunehomme, who had probably come to
    Salzburg on tour toward the end of 1776. Mademoiselle
    Jeunehomme was billed as a claviciniste (harpsichordist),
    and she was probably not very familiar with the forte piano,
    as the Parisians were not only very conservative
    musically but had few pianos, small-sized English imports
    in a few rich homes. The autograph of the work is headed
    Concerto per il Clavicembalo ..- .-. One cannot say, however,
    that Mozart specifically intended to write a "harpsichord"
    concerto, any more than he intended to write a
    "Forte piano" concerto. He wrote a concerto for a keyboard
    instrument. He himself played it on a "wretched"
    piano in Munich in October 1777, and his sister played
    it on the harpsichord in Salzburg in January 1778.
    The concerto is in three movements: Allegro; a meditative
    cantabile Andantino; and a Rondeau, presto, with
    a Minuet as middle section. Mozart prepared the score
    very carefully, as he intended to publish it, along with
    K. 238 and K. 246-concerti written in 1776, in Paris
    when he was there for six months in 1778. He provided
    his own cadenzas for the first and second movements, as
    well as two sets of cadenzas for the third. The score also
    includes a figured bass, indicating a continuo, for which
    a separate harpsichord has been used in this recording.
    The composer also added phrase markings and filled in
    all the lead ins, short, nonthematic improvisations linking
    sections of a movement. Unfortunately, the publishing
    plans came to nothing.
    Franz Josef Haydn (1732-1809) was twenty-four years
    Mozart's senior. As an artist, he had matured much more
    slowly and had been fortunate in being able to settle
    down in 1761 to the steady position of court composer
    and Kapellmeister to Prince Paul Anton Esterhazy and his
    successor Prince Nicolaus. Haydn loved the musical life
    of Vienna, but unfortunately Prince Nicolaus was of a
    solitary disposition and retired with his court to his
    country palace, Esterhaza, in Hungary for · longer and
    longer periods. Haydn was musical jack-of-all-trades at
    the court. He not only composed the music, he trained
    the chorus and soloists, coached the instrumentalists, saw
    that they were properly dressed, copied out all the parts,
    and directed the whole ensemble from the harpsichord.
    Although the Concerto in D Major, Hob. XVIII, No. 11,
    was listed in the Breitkopf Catalogue of 1782/ 84 as a
    Cembalo, the Viennese firm of Artaria published it in
    1784 with the title per il clavicembalo ó fortepiano. It is
    usually known as Concerto No. 1, Op. 21, although
    Haydn had written a number of earlier chamber concerti
    for harpsichord or organ. Composed c. 1782, it is a
    bravura work, eminently suited to the harpsichord, in
    three movements: Vivace; Un poco adagio; and a rustic
    Rondo all'Ungherese: Allegro assai. Unlike Mozart in
    his E flat concerto, Haydn left considerable room for the
    performer to embellish and acid lead ins. The cadenzas
    in the first and second movements were composed in the
    18th century and are attributed to Haydn himself. As
    with other concerti of the period, the bass is figured, requiring
    a continuo, played here by a second harpsichord,
    which adds immeasurably to the spiciness of the work.
    -Judith Robison

  • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
    @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *_Interview with Igor Kipnis magazine The Harpsichord (US) May-July 1969 1/5_*
    Igor Kipnis is one of the most widely recognized harpsichordists appearing today. His recitals are anxiously awaited by music lovers on many continents. He has recorded for eight recording companies, working with such notables as Leopold Stokowski, Neville Marriner and Seiji Ozawa. He recorded an album of scatological canons and songs with the chorus directed by Norman Luboff called Wolfgang Amadeus Mozart is a Dirty Old Man." Igor Kipnis is the son of the famous Metropolitan Opera basso, Alexander Kipnis. He received his first piano lessons from his grandfather, Chicago composer and pianist Heniot Levy. He has appeared with many leading symphony orchestras, working with such distinguished conductors as Erich Leinsdorf, Charles Munch and Alfred Wallenstein. He is currently engaged in a project for Records featuring the harpsichord music of various countries. During the summer he serves as Chairman of the Baroque Department at the Berkshire Music Festival (Tanglewood.) He is a contributing editor and reviewer for Hi-Fi/Stereo Review and serves as host for his own radio program "The Age of Baroque" broadcast weekly over the New York Times Station W.Q.x.R. He is a charter member of ISHB. ~ This conversation took place late one afternoon in his Greenwich Village apartment which is shared by his young family, an active cat and a beautiful harpsichord and clavichord built by Rutkowski and Robinette of New York. Mr. Kipnis has just been asked how he developed his interest in harpsichords.
    KIPNIS: "I have always been a record collector. Even as a youngster I had a fair collection of keyboard disks in general. Most of them are still with me as you can see. I have always been very fond of piano music.
    Back during the early 40's I was study-
    ing piano without any intent of be-
    coming professional, but it was some-
    thing I rather enjoyed. My uncle gave
    me my first harpsichord records. They
    were Victor recordings of Landows-
    ska's Goldberg variations. This was
    really my first taste of the harpsichord.
    I was not particularly struck with it
    yet, on the other hand, I listened to
    it and gradually I became more famil-
    iar with the music and my interest in
    it increased.
    "Later, in college, I was involved
    to a great extent with musical af-
    fairs. I didn't major in music although
    I started out that way. In my last year
    my wife-to-be and I were taking a
    course under Randall Thompson
    called 'The Age of Handel' which was
    a very stimulating course. We had
    various projects to do and we asked
    if we could play some of the Fitzwil-
    liam Sonatas. My wife played the re-
    corder and I 'fiddled' at the piano so
    we thought that here was a good
    chance to try a harpsichord.
    "The Harvard Music Department
    had a Chickering which was built by
    Dolmetsch in the very early part of
    this century. It was in wretched con-
    dition but at least some of it was
    playable. That was my first introduc-
    tion to a real-live harpsichord.
    "I received special permission to
    use it for our class and we performed
    a couple of the Fitzwilliam Sonatas.
    Incidentally, they were edited by
    Thurston Dart. Later, Dart was to
    become a very great influence on me
    although I didn't know it at that time.
    "After that, I went into the Army,
    came out, looked around for work
    and did a number of very curious
    things. I sold hooks and records for
    Doubleday, worked for Radio WMCA
    a pop music station and worked for
    Westminster Records for four and a
    half years as Art and Editorial Di-
    rector. It was there that I first met
    Valenti. Valenti has always been very
    friendly and this was my first relation
    with a real, live harpsichordist. I
    went to some of his recording sessions
    and enjoyed them very much. It Was
    then that I thought that it would be
    very nice if my wife and I could have
    a harpsichord rather than a piano. AI
    that time we didn't have a keyboard
    instrument around.
    In 1956 my parents went to
    Europe and they asked me just before
    they left if there was anything I would
    like for them to bring back with
    them.
    "I said; 'Yes, a harpsichord!'
    "We all had a very good laugh
    about that, for they thought I was
    completely out of my mind. They did
    not come back with a harpsichord, I
    must say, but they did come back with
    a number of catalogs. My father
    thought I really should have some
    sort of a keyboard instrument to
    keep me happy after work. In other
    words, television was not quite
    enough.
    We looked at the catalogs and
    finally decided on a two manual Sperrhake.
    That arrived about nine months
    later and was my first harpsichord.
    "1 started fooling around with it
    purely for my own pleasure and began
    to practice quite hard, but again,
    with nothing in mind for a profession.
    "One of the jobs that I had at
    Westminster, (which was a self-imposed
    job,) was to promote Westminster
    records on the radio stations
    in New York City by taking some of
    the programming personnel out to
    lunch. The fellow from WNYC knew
    that I played the harpsichord, but
    that this was only in the privacy of
    the home. Sometimes we would have
    a few professionals drop by but it
    was more a free jam session type
    of thing. He suggested that I might be
    interested in doing a program.
    I thought this over and decided that it
    would be an interesting thing to do.

  • @Mattostar-z2d
    @Mattostar-z2d ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Harpsichord Vinyl Gallery, thank you for another delightful recording. The Harpsichord, a Rutkowski & Robinette is a very interesting instrument indeed since it was a revival harpsichord with some historical harpsichord guidelines involved with the construction. Certainly less beefy as it was the reality of the Wittmayers or Neuperts from the same period. Plus, Igor Kipnis preforming what a bonus! 😊

    • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
      @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I am glad you like it. Personally, Haydn and Mozart is a bridge too far for me, although I like the sound of his famous Rutkowski & Robinette.

    • @Mattostar-z2d
      @Mattostar-z2d ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@HarpsichordVinylGallery I agree it is a lovely sounding instrument. Like it was in transition from the revival instruments to the historically correct harpsichords that we have today.

  • @francisgarnier308
    @francisgarnier308 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Merci à M. Harpsichord Vinyl Gallery d'avoir mis à disposition cet enregistrement que j'attendais depuis bien longtemps ...
    Ce concerto est habituellement joué au piano, mais en 1777, le pianoforte était loin de s'être imposé en France; Voltaire ne s'était d'ailleurs pas privé de le traiter "d'instrument de charbonnier" ! L'instrument américain joué par I. Kipnis est-il le meilleur choix : faible , dépourvu de basses, timbre aigrelet... ? Mademoiselle Jeunehomme aurait sûrement préféré un clavecin français ou, mieux - pour faire sensation dans les salons - adopté un forte-piano de Taskin (tel celui au Trianon !!) !
    Mille merci pour cette exhumation.

    • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
      @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว

      La plupart des gens aiment entendre Mozart jouer avec un piano, je peux l'imaginer. Je n'ai pas grand-chose avec cette musique qui peut être jouée avec pianoforte ou clavecin. Mais, j'ai compris qu'en Amérique, cela devait être un album très important dans cet esprit de l'époque. N'est-ce pas génial que nous puissions maintenant en prendre note en Europe ?

    • @francisgarnier308
      @francisgarnier308 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Cela dit sans vous offenser, je connaissais cet enregistrement depuis plus de trente ans ! Il avait donc déjà traversé l'Atlantique ! La tendance du public à préférer le piano au clavecin est la règle, en France. Y compris pour les compositeurs les plus inadaptés comme Scarlatti ou Rameau. Fi de l'incongruité du résultat ! Voyez les couronnes aureolant A. Taraud pour son Rameau...
      Il est assez déroutant de relever qu'alors que le clavecin régna en maître en France plus longtemps qu'ailleurs - sans doute du fait de l'excellence de ses facteurs, il succomba avec l'Ancien Régime... étonnant parallèle, son renouveau fut encore plus bref que la Restauration! Tout, après le départ de Landowska s'est, en effet, passé en Amérique, avec les Kipnis, Malcom et autres Marlowe ... voire S. Ross.
      Bref, heureusement que vous êtes là pour démontrer qu'il y a encore des français qui s'intéressent aux clavecins.
      Et même à ceux de la pire espèce !
      N'y voyez pas critique - j'appartiens au clubs ( j'ai un Sassmann chez moi et des moins avouables : 4 jeux + luth sur les deux 8' ET sur le 16 ' - un monstre musical, quoi).

    • @francisgarnier308
      @francisgarnier308 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Addenda. Notez que je vous avais adressé des remerciements appuyés pour avoir mis à disposition cet enregistrement mémorable...

    • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
      @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@francisgarnier308 Je ne suis pas tout à fait d'accord avec toi. Il y avait aussi des musiciens très importants en Europe: Kenneth Gilbert, Rafael Puyana, Gustav Leonhardt, Rolf Junghanns, Trevor Pinnock, Colin Tilney, János Sebestyén, Ruggero Gerlin, Luciano Smizzii etc. Mais ils étaient deux mondes parallèles avec peu d'interaction dans ma perception.
      Remarque que le Kipnis-LP a été distribué en France!

    • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
      @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว

      @@francisgarnier308 Tout le travail a été presque fait par Robert Tifft.
      C'était peu de travail pour moi

  • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
    @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *_Interview with Igor Kipnis magazine The Harpsichord (US) May-July 1969 3/5_*
    HARPSICHORD: Have you experienced
    any difficulties with either
    weather conditions or customs?
    KIPNIS: "I've had very, very
    few difficulties with weather conditions,
    temperature or anything. This
    is mainly because the instrument itself
    is very, very stable. I do have to
    make sure that I arrive for a concert
    no less than five hours before the
    concert and preferably I like to arrive
    the day ahead. That means I
    can get the instrument in the hall.
    Once the instrument is in place, I
    can go to a movie, have a leisurely
    dinner and be on my own. Also, the
    instrument has a chance to settle. I
    find in general, no matter what the
    temperature, the instrument must adjust
    to the new surroundings. And
    sometimes it takes a little longer than
    at other times. I remember once in
    Minneapolis, the harpsichord was outside
    in the station wagon all night
    with the temperature at 14 below zero!
    It was a very scary situation. However,
    the next day, the instrument was
    just fine. In fact, it was in good enough
    tune that I was able to practice. Of
    course it was necessary for me to
    tune before the concert.
    "While in Europe, I was a little
    apprehensive about the problem of
    riding with the instrument across various
    borders. And I did have a few
    heart arresting experiences. One was
    when I went from England to Holland.
    The customs people looked at
    the instrument and then at me. I
    don't think that they entirely knew
    what it was. I had a piece of paper
    which was supplied by my manager
    in Amsterdam. They looked at the
    paper and that only made things
    worse. Finally, I found out (after
    having been detained there for about
    half an hour) that I didn't really need
    the paper, so they tore it up in front
    of my eyes. Good Lord, I thought.
    What if I needed the paper later to
    get out of the country? But nothing
    happened. I was not questioned again.
    There was another time when I
    was crossing from Austria into Germany.
    I was stopped by the guard
    who peered in the windows of my
    station wagon. He didn't say a thing
    about the harpsichord. He looked at
    the license plate and then informed
    me that the number of my registration
    card was not the same as the license
    plate number. Well, of course not! The
    license plate number is not the same
    as the vehicle identification number.
    That took another five minutes. I
    discovered that they were very fussy
    at the Swiss-French border. Had I
    not had a piece of paper showing that
    I played on a Swiss radio station, I
    would not have been able to get out.
    Of course this is just one of the problems
    of the harpsichordist.
    I think that there are a lot of
    people who are fascinated by the
    harpsichord and decided to obtain an
    instrument for themselves . . . then
    find there are problems. One of these
    problems is learning how to tune it.
    They don't stop to think about that.
    They think first of what a wonderful
    sound it is. One must learn to tune,
    or you must buy an electrical gadget
    or something of the sort. There are
    many different ways.
    Rather more difficult is sitting
    down at the instrument and learning
    how to make the thing sound. That is
    not easy. I think the most important
    thing in learning to play the harpsichord
    is getting the instrument to sing.
    This takes keyboard control and it
    requires a lot of hard work. There is
    no cure-all to this. It is helpful to
    listen to many different harpsichordists
    and hear the different ways in
    which harpsichordists play. And they
    are all very different from each other.
    Pay as little attention as possible to
    sound effects . .. to changes in registration.
    That's the floss .. . the color
    of the car. The important thing is
    what makes the engine run.
    HARPSICHORD: What are your
    concepts of programming?
    KIPNIS: I was taught a long
    time ago by Thurston Dart who looked
    at my first recital program. I remember
    that I wanted to play a Toccata.
    He said that the one I selected
    was a great piece but it should not be
    the first piece one puts on a program.
    The first piece is a 'throwaway'
    piece. You have to get limbered
    up a bit. Secondly, and very important,
    the audience has to get used to
    the harpsichord sound. It makes no
    difference whether the audience is
    harpsichord conscious or not. You can
    throwaway your first five, six or seven
    minutes. Then you can build. I like
    to contrast very much. There is nothing
    wrong with playing an all English
    program. I've done that quite a lot,
    but you have to jump around a little
    bit. Audiences are not specialists.
    Specialists can take a whole evening,
    for example, of Elizabethan music.
    I would love it. But most audiences
    will get much more out of both the
    instrument and the music if you jump
    around a little. My own tastes are, I
    think, fairly wide. I play wide range
    of music, including contemporary
    music.
    I also like to stretch the harpsichord
    as far as it will go. To play
    up until the end of the 18th century
    is treading on slightly dangerous
    ground I know. Some people will say
    that one never plays Mozart on the
    harpsichord. This is, I think, sort of
    a hindsight angle.
    Mozart certainly played the
    harpsichord. He also played the clavichord
    a great deal. In fact, a lot of
    Mozart sounds extremely well on the
    clavichord. Much better than on the
    harpsichord.
    The point is, does the music
    sound? Is it effective on the harpsichord?
    Can you make it do what it
    is supposed to do? If the answer is
    negative, then you leave it alone!
    I've just recorded a harpsichord concerto
    of Mozart's, the E flat, K271.
    Everyone I've mentioned that to says
    that it was a piano concerto. In a way,
    they are right, because everybody today
    plays it on the piano. I claim that,
    from an historical standpoint, it was
    commissioned for a French keyboard
    player. This was one of the few Mozart
    commissions. The harpsichord
    lasted the longest in France. The
    French lady who commissioned the
    work was obviously a harpsichordist.
    There was no question about that.
    She was a traveling virtuoso, but other
    than that we don't know too much
    about her. She asked Mozart for a
    concerto and he wrote a piece which
    is not too far different from the concertos
    he was writing for a different
    instrument.
    I think there is too much of
    a tendency any way to separate the
    idea of the Forte piano and harpsichord.
    They were very close. I decided
    that the Mozart E flat concerto
    was for the harpsichord. It sounds
    very well on the harpsichord so I play
    it on the harpsichord. In addition to
    the recording I will play it three times
    with orchestra. One of those performances
    will be in London.

  • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
    @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *_Interview with Igor Kipnis magazine The Harpsichord (US) May-July 1969 5/5_*
    HARPSICHORD: Are you generally
    satisfied with what comes off the
    record and, how much editing is done
    on your recordings?
    KIPNIS: To get at the first
    question, in general I am quite satisfied
    with the way they have recorded me.
    There is a tendency on the part of
    most record companies to press a
    rather loud record and over modulate.
    This is nothing you can blame
    on anyone person or one recording
    company. They all seem to do it.
    However, with certain types of playback
    systems, it does not sound too
    badly, that is if you don't play it at
    the volume level of a Bruchner symphony.
    And many people do.
    The corollary of that is that
    people hearing a harpsichord live in a
    hall for the first time are very disappointed.
    They have been hearing
    it in their living rooms at a colossal
    volume, then they hear this tiny little
    sound peeking out from a silly little
    instrument on the stage, which looks,
    to them, like an outdated piano and
    they wonder what's it all about.
    I have tried to circumvent this
    from happening, but it's entirely up
    to the person playing the records. You
    can't stand over them. You can put
    all kinds of instructions on the jacket
    but no one pays any attention to that.
    If harpsichord recordings are
    played at a loud volume, clavichord
    recordings are ridiculous! I knew that
    to get a distinction between the levels
    of the harpsichord and clavichord that
    I had to work out some sort of artificial
    means of doing it. When the
    record companies combine both instruments
    on the same record, they go by
    the general highest volume of both
    instruments. I then, start off with a
    harpsichord number which gives the
    home listener an opportunity to set
    the volume at the level he enjoys.
    Then, in relation to that, when the
    clavichord is introduced later, the
    volume is much lower. This helps
    some, but it is a very knotty kind of
    problem. I don't know what can be
    done about it except to train the listener
    and have the listener exposed
    to live harpsichord music.
    "Another problem in recording
    involves the recording engineers. Often
    they will record much too close
    to the instrument. They have a good
    bit to learn in this respect.
    Of course, the public is much
    more aware of harpsichords today
    than they have been for a long, long
    time. Part of the reason is the use
    of the harpsichord in other than classical
    situations. The motion picture
    now uses the harpsichord freely. Tom
    Jones is an excellent example. Even
    I have played harpsichord for the
    films. I did the soundtrack for 'Hallelujah,
    the Hills'. You can't listen to
    an hour of commercials without running
    into the harpsichord two, three
    or four times. People may not always
    be aware that it is a harpsichord, but
    they remember and recognize the
    sound. There are many people performing
    on the harpsichord nowadays
    and many more owning harpsichords.
    There are also a staggering number
    of harpsichord builders. I don't mean
    just the kit builders, but professional
    builders. And harpsichord recordings
    are appearing in ever-growing numbers.
    In the New York Musicians
    Union book there are between thirty
    and thirty-five harpsichords listed!
    " In the early days of Landowska's
    career, to play the harpsichord
    was a very strange thing to do. I think
    even when Kirkpatrick started in the
    early thirties, perhaps even in the
    forties, that this was considered an
    unusual instrument. And now, while
    they may not have heard the instrument
    in person, they do recognize
    what it is. And age is of no importance.
    Young people take to it immediately.
    My son, who is five, thinks
    that there are only harpsichords. He
    knows that there are such things as
    pianos, but these are some strange instruments.
    As far as he is concerned
    there should be a harpsichord in
    every home. And I agree with him!
    HARPSICHORD: You own both
    a clavichord and a harpsichord. Have
    you any preference?
    KIPNIS: I think I prefer them
    each to themselves. There are quite
    a few pieces which can be played quite
    effectively on either one. The best
    example of this is the Well-Tempered.
    There is an Adagio in G which I
    recorded as part of the Bach harpsichord-
    clavichord album and this, to
    me, is definitely a clavichord piece.
    You may play the notes on a harpsichord
    but you can't get the nuances.
    I started with harpsichord and later
    decided that it would be very nice
    to have a clavichord so I could play
    at home when the harpsichord was
    downstairs in -the car. 1n other words,
    I felt it would be a good practice instrument.
    Also, I knew from all the
    reading I had done that this was an
    exceptional instrument for training
    the fingers. And it has certainly been
    good training. However, I find it less
    good as a practice instrument if used
    as a substitute for the harpsichord.
    I have always said that playing
    the harpsichord is like playing on
    an uncooked egg as far as the finger
    action is concerned. You can not hit it
    heavily. You must treat is with care.
    With the clavichord, it is like playing
    on the same uncooked egg, but with
    the shell off and only a thin membrane
    between you and a mess! Approach
    the instruments with that
    mental picture in mind. If you work
    at it and have any natural talent at
    all you will, in time, feel at home with
    both instruments. From there you can
    go as far as you want to go.
    Igor Kipnis

  • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
    @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว +1

    *_Interview with Igor Kipnis magazine The Harpsichord (US) May-July 1969 4/5_*
    HARPSICHORD: This brings
    us to the subject of old versus new
    instruments. Do you prefer a harpsichord
    based on the early instrument
    or do you like the modern registers
    which are now available?
    KIPNIS: This is a very difficult
    question to answer because you always
    offend somebody no matter how
    you try to answer it. From a per-
    forming standpoint, if you are going
    to be playing only the music written
    for harpsichord before 1750, in most
    cases, you can do very nicely on a
    small one-stringed instrument. There
    are a few, of course, which require
    two manuals; Couperin, Bach, the
    Italian Concerto and pieces of that
    sort. For the ]larger instrument, I
    think three sets of strings will do
    very nicely with hand stops. In a way
    this is very good, at least you know
    what you can do and what you can't
    do.
    The whole modern concept of
    harpsichord registration is something
    we have to lay at Landowska's door-
    step. It is very bad and it gives young
    people the wrong impression of what
    harpsichords are all about.
    As many tone colors as possible
    is not the be-all and end-all of
    harpsichords. You should be able to
    affect what you have to affect mostly,
    if not exclusively, through the fingers.
    "When it comes down to pedals,
    you have machine stops toward the
    end of the 18th century which get
    fancier and more complicated. I had
    a chance to try Haydn's harpsichord
    in Vienna when I was there last fall.
    That has many effects on it. This is a
    big instrument and it has the Venetian
    Swell. It was fun to play and also, to
    my great surprise, to learn what you
    can achieve by means of the pedals.
    Getting one register out of the way
    and throwing in another one can be
    negotiated very easily and with different
    effects. So, toward the end of
    the century, a lot more was possible.
    Because of this, I wouldn't say to
    throw out the pedals and only have
    hand stops unless you only wanted to
    play music which was written before
    the machine stops.
    I think it is very important for
    a professional harpsichordist not to
    restrict himself simply to music of an
    earlier day. It makes for better programming.
    In addition, I think it is
    somewhat of a duty to play at least
    some contemporary compositions assuming
    that the artist likes it and feels
    he can do something with it. Then,
    one must have an instrument which
    is capable of al1 kinds of register shifts.
    So you really do need the pedals.
    "What I think is sad, is to use
    'he very elaborate registrations and
    elaborate registration changes on early
    music which was obviously quite impossible
    at the time, the music was
    Written. You are very much on your
    own. Do you want to be a purist
    about this or do you want to be somebody
    who is very much a modernist
    and anything goes? You take your
    pIck.
    HARPSICHORD: Do you select
    the numbers you record or does the
    recording company select numbers for
    you?
    KIPNIS: In a few cases the recording
    company does request certain
    numbers. I have been very fortunate
    with C.B.S. in that I have had
    whole choice on all the numbers I have
    played. The whole idea of the so called
    'country' series that I have
    been doing came about really by accident.
    I received a contract from them
    to make a minimum of one record a
    year in 1964 which came just as I was
    on my way to Tanglewood for my first
    summer's teaching there. It was a
    question of what was I going to put
    together for 'a record which had to be
    done in a rush. It turned out to be an
    all French program. From then on,
    it was quite easy in trying to figure
    out what other countries could be
    involved. And, of course, there is always
    a volume two of the ones I have
    already done. There was the French
    one, English, Italian, Spanish, German
    and also in the ice box in an
    Austrian program with both harpsichord
    and clavichord.
    One suggestion they had was
    for a 'pot-boiler' album. This was
    something I didn't particularly care
    for. Everybody plays the Turkish
    Rondo, you name it. Everybody plays
    all the pop pieces. But the more I
    thought about it, I realized that it
    might be fun to do. So I recorded that
    last spring. I had 20 pieces ranging
    from the Elizabethan school, including
    even a version of Green Sleeves
    up to the Beethoven: Minuet in G.

  • @danawinsor1380
    @danawinsor1380 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I recommend music lovers read the article by Michael Lorenz titled "The Continuing "Jeunehomme" Nonsense." Following is probably the most relevant statement regarding the name this concerto has been given:
    'No "Miss Jeunehomme" ever existed, the name being a deliberate early twentieth-century invention. The nickname of Mozart's piano concerto K. 271 has been corrected to "Jenamy" since my discovery in 2004 of the identity of the person for whom Mozart wrote it.'
    Perhaps the exact name isn't so important. Nevertheless musicology nerds such as myself love learning about such historical details and solutions to mysteries.

    • @HarpsichordVinylGallery
      @HarpsichordVinylGallery  ปีที่แล้ว

      Thank you, Dana Winsor for putting the name of Mozarts concerto from the proper perspective of what we know today. That is well appreciated and good to know.
      However, please consider that this recording and its original documentation was produced in 1969, some 54 years ago, but corrections are of course always more than welcome.

  • @francescoborghini7669
    @francescoborghini7669 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Dai, va bene tutto...ma 'sto concerto al cembalo...'n se po sentì...daje!!