Is Hydro Steering Safe for the Road???
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- Is my new steering safe for the road? In this video we test it on the rocks and the road.
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Rudy and Matt have the same aversion to knowing how much fuel they have! Definitely feel the brotherly love "it's gonna break..."! Keep the vids coming guys. Upgrade and test!
The fuel problem ... it's a family thing
Great video! IMO, take your homemade hoses to a hydraulic shop and have beefy high pressure hoses made. Then throw the homemade hoses in your carry bag for emergency spares. :)
agreed, and its not very expensive, and they will handle wayyy more pressure
Wrong, in this application reusable fittings or crimp on fittings are ok , you misspend what he said that he had the hose at too great of an angle and the fitting type makes no difference , all hydraulic lines don't handle sharp bends or angles well, when you talk hydraulic applications higher volume and PSI then crimp on is stronger than reusable, I have been able to get people back on the road in shorter time periods if their power steering has reusable ends, then its a new piece of hose $20 and a quart of fluid, so under $100 ,40 yrs in the industry and they're still good 👍
@@99unclebob agreed 👍
But this isn’t “power steering” is it? Isn’t it fully hydraulic, no steering box or rack?
Both are correct. Time and budget often make ideal, harder than the fun is worth.
I run equipment for a living and much of it is now full hydro steering. Tractors, backhoes, etc are mostly full hydro and the systems are pretty tough and also been around for decades. If your relying on the system to bring you home it's often a good idea to take what you need with you to replace or repair a hose in the field as the big downside of these systems is when they fail, you have no control. I didn't see you do anything that would have caused the failure (no operator error that I could see) and it appeared to be a mechanical failure. Testing your system like your doing in this video close to home is a very good idea for anyone who wants to convert their vehicle to a full hydro system. Thanks for the video Rudy.
Rudy I am happy to see you including your brothers in the videos. It make for an interesting dynamic and they are fun to watch.
Like your videos. Do you think you should put gaiters/boots on the steering shafts. My fear is the sand and grit will work itself into the ram and scratch the surface causing the seals to leak.
I saw a lot of rudicon photo ops. Between this and father's builds you have created some great machines.
Get 3000 psi hoses made by a hydraulics shop with crimped fittings, gates or parker hoses, don't skimp out, also get anti abrasion sleeves for the hoses so they don't saw through each other.
Sure looks like there isn't enough caster to push against the extra resistance of the hydro cylinder and orbital valve for self return steering.
Spot on !
Great video commentary Rudy. But PLEASE get a firewall between you and that tank before you end up "1/2 dun".
The Rudicon did really good in my opinion.
I do have a question. Do you think The MOORVAIR and Paul's FJ could do the rock climbing that you just did?
I think they could it would be challenging but they could do it
@Unintentional Failure yep he needs a little bit stiffer suspension that was a lot of roll for only 30 MPH
At least the this time you didn't over fill it before you got the air out, Live and learn.
This is amusing to me because I did similar when i was 16-17 years old. lol
had a Emerald green 78" LS Camaro when i was able to drive in 1995. and not the motor LS sadly.
Hey Rudy... shouldn't you have 'boots" on the hydraulic cylinder shafts to keep mud and junk off them? Enjoyed seeing the Rudicon back on!
That hose probably didn’t like the pressure of being at full lock during the turn. Either way, that’s why you test! Nice video!
Nicely done!
Rudicon tape needs updating. 3/5 done? ...or is 1/2 done perpetual, in the vein of all gearheads looking for our next upgrade?
Check your pressure relief at full lock. Make sure its working correctly. It looked to me like it popped as you started that u-turn. But go get proper hoses made, that style of fitting not good for that kind of pressure.
I love my 2 post lift, you must love it too.
I didnt really think the hose ends you used would hold. I think those lines can have 2k lbs of pressure pretty easy. At least they made good mock ups/ templates.
Great and always a safety trip. Greetings from Frankfurt, very nice and good job.
It blew because you steered it back and forth without the pump working . It got an air pocket. Then when the pressure turned back on the air pocket and fluid created high pressure and blew.
So hydro steering is better for everything or easier for rockcrawer.
Rudy, you did a fantastic job on the ram bracket! How does your rig handle a straight line? Does it want to wander a bit? Love your vids, keep up the great work. Thanks.
Idea . Have your brother see if he can use his quad with a yankum rope and see if he can get someone unstuck with it . If it works maybe take quad with on rescue missiond as added assist.
I did it one time, I flew over the handlebars…
Still one of my favorite builds
Awesome job 👏
Great stuff as always Rudy. Keep the vids coming. Fun to watch you grow. Just another fan from Southern Utah.
I hope getting rid of that squat is something that is going to be addressed at some point
I'm always amazed at Rudy's positive attitude and skills. Fun to watch the development and testing of Hydro steering and how it handled that tough rock course. Maybe it's time to call the Rubicon "3/4 Dun" 😉
Or "Morr than 1/2 Dun"
Yeah Rudy has to keep a positive attitude cuz Andy always seems to be negative lol. I guess some may call Andy realistic and Rudy optimistic. But sure are making leaps on the Jeep and the channel great work
@@jdgvee9313 Or " > 1/2 Dun"
I was just getting ready to write that!
@@jdgvee9313 this
It is kind of cool watching Rudy and his brothers working on the same project and having fun doing so.
The drone shots make a huge difference in your video. Seeing the entire area your working in gives the viewer a complete comparison of terrain size and difficulty.. An excellent video!
Another cool point to it is that Rudy himself is setting the drone up. It has a pretty good "follow me" feature on it.
The drone shot almost looks like watching video game. ;)
Andy is my absolute fav. His dry sense of humor is so good haha
I don’t about Andy having a dry sense of humour but more of a pessimist personality maybe 😂
He's the reality check, we all need an Andy by our sides telling us we've messed up haha
yes his glass is always half empty never half full lol
It means your Jeep sucks. 😂😂. Awesome response.
@@helenlegallais4208 almost feels like Andy doesn’t want to be there but there mom wants them together and Rudy is all for it😂
Hey Rudy I think you need to go to crimp style hydraulic fittings given how the old line failed for some added safety. I would make two sets and keep and extra set in the jeep. Enjoy watching you guys makes me miss living out West
Andy did great job filming. Love his attitude
What's the pressure rating on the wrench on hydraulic fittings? I always assumed it was extremely low and that you should go for crimped fittings for anything high pressure.
Amazing work either way.
You might still have steering if just the engine dies but you will not have steering if one of the lines blow.
That means you don’t have a fail safe which is why I believe the DOT doesn’t allow full hydro steering on the road.
Your brakes don’t rely on one line to stop so you still have brakes if one line blows.
And even then you have the me hanical(hopefully) parking/ e-brake
I would NOT put my hopes in the last sentence you've made. Although you may not instantly lose all your brakes if 1 line goes. but you can and likely still will lose brakes very quickly especially if you use the peddle a couple times and empty the reservoir through the broken line. The auxiliary/parking brake hopefully still works (but that's a separate system you could add to the steering too for the same redudancy)
Andy is so positive about everything. Like a trip for a root canal. 😂
The worst part is that $16 a quart PS fluid hittin the ground! The steering videos are coming at the perfect time..I’m swapping out my PSC assist for full hydro and it’s too darn expensive to screw up!
not at all, the subscribers are paying for the fluid
I love your little brother, he's the perfect amount of Negativity! You guys are like Ying and Yang ☯️ As for hydraulic steering for an offroad vehicle 👍 definitely the way to go! As for my Daily driver/Off-Roader I'll stick with my Hydraulic Ram assist, I like redundancy, and I'm pretty sure full hydraulic is not DOT legal as far as I know? And your brother needs his own channel "Most Negative Guy In Utah" it would almost as good as Big Love! 😆 Great video Rudy and keep it on E #XJLIFE That looked just like the picture I sent you of my 98 XJ on E , E is for enough 😀
Re: DOT and on road I was wondering this also. That is my understanding as well, that fully hydraulic is not road legal. I was building a street truck 30 years ago and was going to go fully hydraulic to beat the inherent steering fab problems after lowering the truck. Like the Rudicon it was going to be slick and clean. I thought "cool why didn't I think of this earlier." Until as an afterthought I decided to check with my insurance company who did not mind insuring street rods. They disliked the idea so much that they threatened to cancel me. They said under no circumstance would they insure the truck or would they pay any claim related to damage if I went ahead and installed it anyway. Sort of the same as street racing and wrecking your ride and another vehicle as well as injuring yourself or someone else. They would just tell me to go fish as it were. SO I never did it. However it is nice to see Rudy is trying it. Seems to work like I envisioned it... Nice
@Meagan Christie I figured that and it kinda makes sense, God forbid you ( On Road ) lose your steering, that's one of the scariest things that can happen while driving, especially here in the NYC/Long Island area, terrifying actually! But if it's a trailer queen, then no problem, I personally like a tight positive feel for my steering, so I have 3/4 heim joints and a PSC hydraulic 8" ram and I have no slop in my 03 Tacoma S.A.Swap, I also like redundancy, I've already broken stuff and still made the few hundred miles back home, I would love to have a trailer, but I also love driving my vehicle on road as well, I've never driven a full hydraulic setup, but I can imagine it's not as responsive as a linked steering setup, my truck ( Check it out on my TH-cam channel ) with the ram assist, is tight! And I have a converted from crappie IFS to Solid Axle Tacoma, so it's completely redesigned, and works perfectly! I love my mini truck 🛻 monster! And she's DOT compliant, I've been let go by a few insurance companies, so I can't play any games, I'm sure Rudy is daily driving this XJ, so for just offroad, then it's a great setup, I just personally rather have the on road option, great talking to ya , nice to get a positive response to my comments, it's not always like that TY
ur correct that full hydro is not legal for use on road the code specificly states that there must be a physical mechanical means of steering at all times just for the reason that happened in the video if you lose your fluid you know longer have any steering.
@John Wasson That's what I'm running, linked steering with Hydraulic Ram assist, even if it was street legal, I would be a nervous that there's nothing really connected besides the Hydraulic lines
Up next rear steering 👍
Excellent show today I dig Andy’s optimism
You know there's family history of running out of gas, when you breakdown and you have to clarify, "I did not run out of gas" - lol.
Personally I think I'd get some high pressure lines made for it
Those were high pressure lines
@@glenjamindle yes but not crimped fittings for it/;/; i would reccomend steel braided as well which those were not
Hmmm seems odd that NON steel braided hoses would throw sparks while being cut with an abrasive wheel don't ya think ?
@@timpretzsch2609 Hydraulic hoses are, working out from inside, rubber-steel-rubber, if braided they have an extra outer layer of steel and sometimes a plastic casing too
@@90vanman ya fully aware, was a sarcastic response to the guy who said to get steel braided lines and tried to indicate these were not lol
I think the advantage of the fittings you've used is that they are field serviceable, like you showed in the video. There was probably something not right with how that fitting was installed from the get-go, like you said.
Maybe it makes sense to build the pressure line to the orbital valve using crimp on fittings as it is unlikely to be damaged by something out on the trail, but it would be convenient to be able to repair the lines to the ram while you are wheeling.
Looks like you have a pretty decent amount of body roll. How does it feel?
That looks like the Parker field serviceable hoses, they should easily handle 3,000 psi and that pump is probably around 1,450. I’m going with your fist thought of probably not put together correctly.
Great video Rudy, the hydro steering looks like a great improvement. Get those kinks worked out and take us along for ride.
I'm greatly amused by Rudy's positive outlook on anything, immediately followed by Andy's pessimistic response.
The content is getting even better! Keep up the great work
Awesome job getting the Ridicon up through that off road course Rudy! The obstacle course , well to me it looks like the Rudicon was unsafe at any speed. Nice job filming Andy!
Man Andy is super positive lol
That obstacle was insane. Great vid.
I loved the cutaway to the off road floor jack, still in the box! (With the little doggie guarding it).
Those "field serviceable" fittings are a hassle. I have seen more leaks on the trail from those than anything. Every NAPA I have ever been to has everything needed to build legitimate crimped hydraulic hoses, and they really are pretty cheap. Keep the field serviceable fittings in the glovebox for an emergency trail repair, that's about all they are good for.
100%
I wish I could run full hydro steering but in Michigan and im sure many other states its illegal to run a steering setup on road without a mechanical link to the steering.
I am very proud of you Rudy! Your dad taught you very well and you learned very well. Good on you. It is wonderful to see you doing your own thing.
Once you are happy with the way the hoses are routed, I would get them made with crimped fittings and use the ones you made as spares. It would eliminate a point of failure just from working loose over time due to engine and vehicle vibrations. Seems like a pretty solid set up after you get everything dialed in.
Engine dying doesn’t concern me, it’s when you burst a hose, like you showed. 😂 That is why you shouldn’t drive on public roads with these setups 👍🏻 Also, your hose burst on a hard turn, which makes me wonder if your ram pushes further than your steering stops? Just a thought.
Love this Jeep. Definitely needs lower gears one way or another tho. Must. You’ll have so much more throttle control when your not just riding the very beginning of the torque converter.
Also, your brother is awkward on camera (Like me!). I'm betting that, in a year, his charisma and confidence will greatly increase which can do wonders for his future. Keep him around and maybe he'll end up with his own channel.
YOu were very lucky that you were in Slo-mo Test Mode. Replace them all. Too much rock and roll. I think going with another buggy is mandated.
I like what you’re doing Rudy and brothers. Keep ‘em coming.
Damnit, you have your badland jack already? I'm like 3 weeks since I ordered, hoping it comes in this week.
“there’s a cool rock on the ground” “you didn’t pick it up?” What a guy thing hahaha
Sounds like you need to meet more of the ladies... that's a human thing, not a "guy thing"
@@block4565 haha how did I know someone like you would pop up and take this offensively somehow
Put a anti-rock sway bar on one end and that should make most of the lean go away and not loose your flex.
Even tho full hydro isn't technically legal where I'm at, it does an absolutely beautiful job of turnin the 42s no matter where n what ya at! Highway speed it is a lil touchy tho
You need to fab your own set of quick disconnect sway bar links that are HD at least for the front end, that would make it handle better and safer for on road driving at higher speeds, or get a set of electronic ones off a power wagon
Put a locking hub at one end then you don't even need to disconnect anything!
Al Gores Rhythm
Imagine if when you got back with the truck, the Jeep had been towed for blocking that fire hydrant😂😂
Andy is so optimistic. 🤣
Thumbs up for Andy and the little dog.
The Jeep seems like a beast off-road but could probably use some sway bars for daily driving
Agreed
@@Rudysadventureanddesignreal anti-rock sways are awesome
That slomunb (sp) part worried me. Jeeps have a high center of gravity by nature and no sway bars just add to the problem - SO BE CAREFUL!😁😬
Your Jeep is becoming quite the off road machine. You can be proud of it. Your videos are really turning out good too. Happy for what you are doing. Kudos kiddo!
The other issue with full hydro is the steering wheel doesn't return to centre properly.
Something else to check. Depending on local road rules you may require a mechanically linked steering.
I would change those fittings to crimped fittings.
Do they make a hydraulic steering that will return to center?
@@JT_70 They do and Rudy bought that. BUT because there isn't a mechanical link, centre is slightly different each time. Which is very obvious with the airbag wheel.
Collin buddy you are never too old or cool to wear a helmet around the rocks on that 4 wheeler. I know you ride safly but we wanna keep you around!!!!
I am 31 this year and the ONLY reason I am 31 is thanks to a helmet while go karting, then while 4 wheeling, then again on a dirtbike, then one more time while snowboarding.
Wait, you shouldn't normally make gentle, full turns?
15:45 Who needs a winch?
Just use some muscle lever
and hope for the best!
I would suggest taking all the hoses off your hydro steering go down to a Napa store and have some hoses made she don't die on the freeway somewhere.
5:06 I’m glad I’m not the only person who thinks like this. Point A to point B.
Im going full hydro on my Comanche and this was super helpful. When its installed, ill be making a little test course too haha! Mainly for fun......not for science lol
Full hydro is illegal on the street in some states. Also as far as your brakes comment goes you generally have a mechanical brake (emergency/parking brake) incase your hydraulic brakes fail. Also as you showed, yes if your engine dies you still have some steering, if your blow a hose however, you dont. Im not hating, just educating.
I hear ya. A back up is nice if something fails, but unfortunately even the mechanical brake can fail too and leave you in a bad situation. I lost my brakes and the emergency brake one time because the heat was backing up in my intake that was a hard plastic. The heat melted little pin holes, caused a vacuum leak which made me lose all my braking completely. Was not fun driving back home 45 minutes and having to hit 75mph traffic on the highway. Obviously this isn't that common, cuz noone could tell me what caused it. So I assume not many people encounter that issue. 07 Ford Taurus has a hard plastic intake so intense heat can cause it to melt. Pretty crazy
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We are under the impression full hydraulic steering is not DOT approved or safe. Only assisted. Here we have to have a mechanical linkage to drive on US Highways and public roads.
Full hydraulic depends on State regulations, not Federal.
That off center steering wheel would drive me nuts lol
Andy's comments are awesome, lol. More Andy!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I do believe it's illegal to drive on pavement. For example, on city roads or highways.
Ya I thought having a mechanical connection between the steering wheel and the tires that steer was a law
In some states it is, here it is not.
I taught myself to weld the beginning of this new year, mostly because of watching people like you who inspire me. Keep up the good work Rudy
I thought the 'disaster' was going to be him running over the drone which had landed...
Yup, those screw in diy fittings suck ! I got burnt alot with those things.
Rudy, did you ever strike a deal with Robby on that 1930’s rat Rod project ?
I think he wants my old steering box off the Rudicon for it. I have a couple more projects to get out-of-the-way before I go pick it up 😁
Your not supposed to manually turn the wheels when not running it can do damage and over pressurize lines or seals do it in a fullsize dodge you'll have fluid everywhere...
That crooked steering wheel would drive me NUTS!
I think I would have taken a rock crawling route that I had done before.
Rudy, you have come a long way in your new venture. I know I say it a lot but it’s true, I am so proud of you. Your brothers are
awesome too. Have fun making memories with your brothers. ❤️🙏🙏👍👍🌟🌟🏆🏆❤️
I dig this channel. I love Rudy's can do attitude and when he asks Andy for his thoughts, they are just slightly more sunshine than Eior (spelling? ) from Winnie the pooh.
Hydraulics to the rescue... Now to design a rock shield...!
Idk why this seems very lonely
Good job Rudy, i too, am looking at Hydro Assist for my '02 Excursion. The steering is Way Too Stiff for me, have to Manhandle it with Two Hands at all times. ☹
NO WORRY ,That "ROCK " is JUST a raw DIAMOND laying on the surface.LOOK it's been there millions of years it will stay in that spot forever,unless you go back and pick it up and have it cut into the WORLD'S BIGGEST NATURAL DIAMOND>haha oh and for Rudy check lines for PSI rating and tight bends or damage ? maybe test with a 10,000 psi Gage inline on hose?good vid
Ummmm Rudy! Your Dad owns a towing company!!!!! Hellooooo! This is when you call Pops for that favor! Hell tell Lizzy to come get you since she wanna do everything!🤷🏽♂️💯😂😂😂😂😂
By the way it's behaving in the slalom ( excessive body roll ) it's caused from not having enough
shock angle. When fully flexed the compressed shock should be perpendicular to the axle.
The problem with the full hydro steering over regular hydraulic assist is that when you lose fluid you lose steering, with hydraulic assist you still have steering if you can force the wheel to turn, which works fine at speed.
Yes, with brakes you lose braking when you lose fluid, but there are other ways to stop a vehicle (parking brake, downshifting...)
If your steering isn't returning I'd bet that it's alignment if you have the centeriing valve assembly.
Full hydraulic steering for the road (where the general public also drives) is not only incredibly illegal, it's also incredibly reckless as well. You saw what happens if you lose a line and hydraulic pressure - your steering is "broken". Now just imagine that happening on the street with cars and families and innocent bystanders all around you. Don't do it man. You got too much to lose.
Grab a helmet, Colin.
NICE TO SEE ALL THE BROTHERS WORKING TOGETHER! NICE JOB ON THE HYDRO STEERING!!
Love watching you and your build grow. I have had overall good luck with the home made hoses like you used on high pressure hydraulic systems. Occasionally one fitting doesn't hold for one reason or another. I typically use them in temporary situations and have crimped lines built to replace them. Keep up the good work
Is Andy adopted? He's so much more handsome that the other brothers... and he's a daywalker.
I would think that when the oil didn’t have anywhere to flow possibly the hose blew from the back pressure of the full lock turn half way through is likely the higher pressure they ever get from the turning drag forces and all especially with the added turn radius, definitely new higher quality hoses should work. That’s just my thoughts. But I don’t have any first hand knowledge just my guess
Running out of gas, "like father, like son" LOL!!! Had that hose problem and solved by beefing up the whole hose/fittings/crimps. Hose: 5,000 PSI.