One measure of success is the amount of joy we give to others. And not just joy, but other things of value: friendship, knowledge, kindness, love, a hand up. Thanks for all the joy Nahre.🤗
I've always viewed the technical aspect of music as simply learning and mastering a language with its own grammar, syntax, and vocabulary. It can be the means we use to express the internal, just like language. However, once fluent, we don't need to consider clauses, phrases, etc. It is a tool, I think! Great video!!
Technique is like gaining vocabulary in the language. Using all of the pedantic vocabulary you’ve learned isn’t usually the best way to connect with people, but using the most direct language, focusing more on the content than the form, and then BAM! hitting them with the right word at the right time, both connects with people AND adds the impact that only high-level technique can do.
Thank you for sharing this super personal moment when your friend listens to your creations for the first time. It made me realize wherever we are on our music journey, that mix of joy and fear/doubts during that moment is something we have in common :) Congratulations on those two beautiful creations, I mean three, with the art.
I think that the real issue comes when people never PRACTICE creativity. You can practice technique, but if you never practice and train the muscle that helps you apply your technique and build your creativity, it’s all for naught.
This was amazing on several fronts and involved several kinds of techniques. Playing, composing, and mixing to name a few. As a classical musician exposed to 500 plus years of music composing anything new for another classical musician is quite daunting. I think your real success is really understanding your audience of one and expressing want you wanted and needed. I'm just glad to go along for the ride. As for those complaining about this being an ad - so what? A classical composer/performer managed to find a way to get paid and provide amazing content. We should all be so fortunate
Lack of technique kills creativity. Great technique enables creativity. If you have to think about how to play something technically you can't get creative with it.
The point is that technique is a consequence of creativity. If you start with no creativity but only technique is a technique to what? What are you making real?
This was brilliant, thank you for sharing! After my own conservatory years, having first been neck-deep in the 'classical' world, I began to venture into the world of improvisation (however one wishes to label it). At that point, I developed a kind of love-hate relationship with technique. It took me quite a while to reconcile that, but once I did, I came to the realisation that IMHO, there's a step that's generally missing from music education (and I don't necessarily mean this in the academic sense): that once you get to a point where your technique allows you to freely express, whether that's your own feelings or those of a composer you're interpreting, the 'final' step is to forget your technique. It's perhaps the greatest irony that, whenever I'm managed to do that, I always end up playing something that (a) I've never played before, or (b) I wouldn't have imagined I was even capable of playing. I believe that this is the moment when you're putting the technique to work for the Muse. The 'trick' is in being there when it happens. I hope that makes some sense. 🤭 Anyway, I loved this video, and I love the joy through which you bring the Wonder of Music to others. Cheers!
Thank you so much Nahre, it might sound weird, but my tears just ran through my cheeks as i listen to the music you composed for steph, that sincerity is precious.
First thought: technique is like a tool in your toolbox. The better your tools are the better your craftmanship potential is. Of course the tool only is useful if you do something interesting with it but when you focus on the phrasing, dynamics, expression and all that, then those better tools allow you to play it better. Few people are interested in just hearing sombody play technically well or even perfect if the dynamics are not good, the phrasing is off and there is a lack of expression. Example of the reversed: the nocturnes of Chopin can be played by intermediate level amateur pianists, they get a lot of room for expression and even when their technique still is mediocre it can be highly interesting for both the player and the listener. So technique is not overrated but you have to combine a good technique with all that oter stuff, otherwise your good technique will not get appreciated by the listeners.
Dynamics, phrasing, rubato, etc. are all technique - means of expression. They're definitely not non technique. They're technique in the broad sense. Actually even if you just particle scales and arpeggios, you'd need to practice them thoughtfully in a musical context. That's how jazz musicians practice it. Ravel even said that said - master your technique and you've already mastered musicality.
A good riff is a good riff! Simple or technical, that being said technique is always impressive! And the drive and discipline to achieve that is always admirable !
Nobody is asking, but I love the range of the two pieces. As one who has many times given the gift of an avant garde recording of Happy Birthday, I realize I must up my game...not with technique, I'd need some to do that...This is a wonderfully joyful video (and thing to do)...as others have said.
Real music brings a smile to anyone’s face, and can really capture moments in life through melody, that’s what your music in the video was like Nahre 😊
I disagree. Not everything has to bring a smile to someone's face. Sometimes giving shape to pain helps to give it a place in the world, and to help in healing. Sometimes it can express and bind people together through mutual anger in justified discontent.
the same problem happens with sound engineers. When you start you think everything has to 'sound it's best' but as you mature you slowly realise everything has to match the emotion of the music, not sound perfectly hi-fi.
This is me the other day, I was eq'ing a bass to make it sound perfect, but then it sounded dull. I made a dirty eq move and suddendly the bass got character!
I love compose music. In fact many have a good technique but a lack of creativity. Of course technique ir very important to realize what we imagine to put in one composition. In fact many times compose music is show our feelings in matter of notes,scales chords and arpeggios. Great video Nahre❤
Thank you for sharing this intimate look into your friendship with Steph and how you learned to compose more freely, balancing technique with creativity. This was a joyous video on so many levels - the methods of composition, the motives for doing it, the reception of the gift, etc. I can understand why Steph said it was the best birthday present ever. You really gave her a piece of yourself and two very creative and positive views of herself. This is very much like a painter capturing the soul of the portrait subject. I am not sure anyone has done this with music before. Can you?
Technique is the gold mine of skill. Technique has nothing to with rigidity, that is in your mind. Technique gives the play the ability to translate the music of the mind into the physical. Technique give the player, through the hands and fingers, the tools to create. Free the mind to preconceptions and i to the music.
Oh gosh, the way Nahre laughs while showing the music, I can relate so hard as a composer!!!! GHAHAHAHA, beautiful to see this feeling mimicked in somewhere else. Very appreciative of this reflective, philosophical and personal story..
On top of a really beautiful project (and heart poured friendship), this episode is expertly produced. The lessons are inspiring for all walks of life 👍
Love keeping up with your channel! This episode actually made me think of Iiro Rantala. Finns just have that unique, outside-the-box vibe. If you ever interview him like you did with Mateus Asato, or even do an episode on his style, I'd be really into it. Take care :)
I spy a kalimba! Wonderful instrument, the first one I taught myself and learned how to improvise with. I remember thinking when I took up the guitar, 40 years ago, that if could improvise as freely on guitar as kalimba, I would get where I wanted to go. Stated differently, and as relevant to the theme of the video, I cite a quote from the great guitarist and composer Tony Rice, “Play what you hear in your head. If you do that, you will find a way to get it out.” I have found that to be true: My technique has expanded as I reach for new sounds.
this is why I wish more artists would both understand the word production, and work with real producers. A good producer can guide an artist towards 'real world' emotional translation, because ideally they represent the audience and don't know music theory etc, which us artists are often too close to the work to see past. you deleting that whole section is the production bit, because you had clarity on the bigger picture, but you only had that clarity because you knew the intended audience. Most artists (especially in classical circles) get trapped in elements like virtuosity / technique as a crutch to lean their expression on, because they have no other emotional direction. As in truth, that art it's really just for them, not anyone else!
Lovely aspect. Your views on seriousness of music are good, and I love your presentation. I think great composers strived for a broad range of moods, walking the whole scale from "fun to serious" - visiting grief, sarcasm, hystery, brooding, romantic quiet, exhilaration etc.
@@MrKitrid absolutely! only reason I recommended Imeruat & XIII is because of the live instrumentation but his style is pretty consistent with FFX as well for sure
For me, both pieces are great, and I wouldn't like to hear one without also hearing the other. So, the serious first and the silly second are just fun to listen exactly that way.
Loved this Nahre …great creative fun and the joy expressed throughout brought a wonderful sense of the same to me …ps the first piece reminded me of Thomas Newmans work…😊🎉😊
Commenting before watching the video because I've been having a very similar thought to this topic lately. I reason there's a balance to strike: -If you ignore technique, it can hamper your ability to communicate your ideas on your instrument, which can make it harder to enjoy. -If you put too much effort into technique, you can lose track of why you're playing your instrument, which can make it harder to enjoy. -If you devote a moderate amount of your attention to technique, you can continually develop your ability on your instrument as you increasingly enjoy playing it. I've been playing drums for close to 15 years now, and when I started, I made a rule with myself to never get caught up on what I call the "paperwork side of things"; enjoying drums was priority. It's worked pretty well for me throughout time.
Oh, one thing I should clarify is I got into it purely as a hobby. There was no tutoring or taking classes or anything, so there was no "am I wasting money on lessons" involved. I forgot that that can play a role in making someone feel pressured to work on technique.
I really learned a lot nareh sol thank you so much. These past few years has been good for me because watching you has helped me improve a lot. Thank you. If i were steph i would have gone for the second track i loved it more❤❤ I also feel having Techniques under ones belt makes one play and have freedom better at the piano.
such a cool video!! loved to see the final product(s) and your friend's reaction, and still learn a lesson from everything :) truly, even in music, work and play are always in balance
You’re technically amazing so keep it up! It must be liberating. I have worked hard on piano but unfortunately can not hang with you at all but…. I can follow (mostly) what you are saying. I don’t have the technique to keep up with your playing. To answer your question I would respectfully say say, “no technique isn’t overrated, it’s liberating. It must be a means to expression. Not much more than that but that’s a heavy load to carry! Just go with it and we can deeply enjoy your music!
It’s too bad to hear… I do my best to only promote what aligns with the video project and channel. The topic of technique and its application is at the core of the video and sprinkled throughout. If you didn’t feel this way, I’ll keep that as feedback. Thank you!
@@NahreSol As for my two cents, I don't mind, actually, because your content is far superior than the average TH-cam channel, and after all you have bills to pay, like everyone else. (Edit) Watching it again, I've even noticed that I had skipped the intro the first time, where you clearly state that you'll do something using a product of the sponsor of this video. So it's all fair play and I apologize for missing that. But yeah, it kind of feels a little too focused on the product. Dunno. 😂
@@NahreSol Not everyone will feel the same way. I saw the sponsorship coming a mile away and still watched and enjoyed the video for what it is. Also I do appreciate that you are careful with your sponsorships.
Nahre, at 11:10 it almost feels like Steph sees you - like she's gazing into your soul and she says the landscape inside and you realize it and turn. Maybe that's not what happened at all but God is it beautiful to witness this and feel as though it might be. God the beauty of this - thank you so much Nahre ^^
As a non-musician - but music lover - it's clear to me that technique is about making good cogs that fit effortlessly into larger groups. That's not the same as becoming an artist, though it may help. As others have commented, technique enlarges and refines a musician's language, ultimately creating a bigger canvas for art.
These videos have been so enjoyable. While I have opinions on this subject, I really think you nailed it. While subtle, there is a mindset difference between technical and good verses good and technical. The former feels very academic or forced while the latter focuses on the art which in turn impacts how the technique (or message) is expressed. While both can work, to me the latter is more about listening to what the art piece wants instead of forcing something on it. You experienced that problem early on in the video. Thanks for the videos!!!
Somehow having to learn that the more work and dedication invested, the more fun to be had by choosing how and when to apply the acquired knowledge. Although there is a risk of ending up bonkers like Nahre.🤪😊
I have found technique is helpful, but it’s what you say with your music. That’s the most important. I think people should always come to songwriting with an idea. Whether you can use big words or not is not the important thing, its how you use your words. I think people can definitely get trapped in thinking larger words have more meaning. the greater the technique the more things you can say. But thats not necessarily a good thing. The best example i have is jon gomm. He always comes to his songs with ideas, and stories. He is a virtuosic songwriter, cause even though his technique is insane, every individual element sounds simple, and is completely memorable. Being able to make something simple sound complicated is super common. But being able to make something complicated sound simple is a testament to someones skill as a songwriter. You can tap along easily, you can sing the melody, and you can get lost in the atmosphere. Vs other people who play with similar technique, has a similar wow factor, but the ideas are not as digestible and translatable as his. Not to truly put anyone in a vs scenario, but just an example, as to how truly talented jon gomm is as a songwriter.
Technique is not overrated. Only if technique is flawless one can think of expressing one's intention on the instrument. If the technique is lacking, there is a frustration, that one can't reach the expressiveness level one intends. Another thing is reading music. I don't know if that qualifies as technique, but fluent reading of sheet music makes one reach the musicality level otherwise impossible to reach. With fluent reading, rehearsing times can be shortened, or even eliminated with both the reading is fluent and finger technique is flawless. What I think can be overrated though, is focusing on one instrument. To me, personally, keyboard playing has always been a huge challenge in terms of finger technique and reading music. I recently started taking bass electric classes, and I am happy to say that I feel like I actually start reading music now. And it's very clear to me why. Because there aren't any chords in bass lines [Ed. Note: At least in the exercise I practice]. And there aren't both bass and treble clef needed, just one note to read at a time, in purely sequential manner. No multiple notes stacked vertically on the staff. Now, once I get more proficient on the bass, both the bass theory is likely to merge into the keyboard theory. That's the beauty of Western music theory. Anyway, I am digressing... Technique is not overrated. In fact, I think technique is the most desirable attribute of playing music on an instrument.
I really love everthing that you do ! It's impressive and i always learn from you ! I wanted to talk to you about picasso... He was a man that destroyed women to make art. He destroyed many women sometimes underage, and proud, painted it. (See minotaur and Dora collection... Marie-Thérèse Walter was 17. Those women were all promising young artist. Until he destroyed them. There is a biography talking about it "Picasso, le Minotaure")
The clip of your friend saying "do whatever you want" reminded me of a track "Personals" from the 1994 album _Dressing for Pleasure_ by Jon Hassell and bluescreen, which features a clip with the same words-- although the context is, ah, somewhat different. Still, there is a similarity in the musical style.
Proves: Love is the best Teacher. Technique is an afterthought. Intensity and connection (primordial sound), drive the world before thought enters the picture! -Really enjoyed the journey that led to the creation of these musically dissimilar twins 😂 ❤
As an opera singer, trained by seven opera coaches, our "technique" includes diaphragmatic breathing - which I tossed into the rubbish - I then created my own vocal technique that disregards the large muscles and focuses instead on dozens of smaller muscles that require much less effort and much less oxygen - this vocal technique allows me to sing dozens of operatic arias in under two hours ... with glorious tones and phrasing ... I never get tired of singing.
My thing with Richter is, in most of the clips I've seen of him playing, he looks like he's mad at the piano, and trying to break it. As for this new gizmo, it seems pretty cool, but I think what goes onto it should be more like a lofi beat thing that blends in with the room. Nothing against your compositions though. I agree with the idea that classical technique and actual fun are opposite forces, at least in my music life. I like the way you blended playful stuff and hella skillful stuff, and I LOVE your friend's reaction when she first heard her own voice in your composition. It all reminds me a bit of Rachel Collier's Ableton stuff, with a lot of an avant-garde feel. Great video!!
There’s something to be said about this concept. There were times earlier on in my piano journey where I knew just enough, but I was still able to apply a lot of my ear training and just feel. Just playing with what brings emotion to me and gets me in the music. Even if I didn’t always understand or know what precisely was going on under my fingers. Those moments of fresh creative juices have sometimes given way to the obsessive thought of needing to know the key, or understand the theory behind a piece, or practicing scales and arpeggios, or playing pieces that I don’t truly enjoy. Or, being hyper fixated on my technique, which sometimes takes away from the joy of playing. This is something ive never experienced with playing guitar, as I do practice theory and technique there, it’s far more easy to tap into that sweet spot because the majority of my guitar years have been through ear training
Technique is a way of doing something. Technique is a means to an end not the end in of itself. For a good musician technicality is a way to broaden their expressive vocabulary. Its a means of freeing themselves from physical limitations. But If one doesn't have impactful things to express then no amount of Technique will make a difference. The other way around, however, a creator will only be limited in a physical ability to express themselves. Like Jason Becker. He can't play anything but through other people's hands he can still express himself and his ideas through composition. Most virtuosic music is uninspired garbage just like most regular music is too. But with virtuosity one can express more potentially uninspired garbage in any given moment. In my experience, creativity isn't identical to inspiration and neither is necessarily related to technical ability. You can be infintitly creative and still end up with endless uninspired creations. You can also be a world class performer and have no original ideas to express. And you can be an entry level player but express ideas that hit hard and go deep because you can't help yourself. And they might not be clever or innovative or original but cut through just the same. As there are many songs and compositions that sound similar but on a primal level only one hits the spot. Cheers!
Music should encompass the whole range of human experience. It should be solemn and deep, it should be goofy and light, it should be sad, it should be happy.
luciano berio sequenca III :D. this was one of my personal eye and ear opener. i never looked back since i discovered the first atonal music. the funny thing was, that the more of this stuff i listened to and really loved the more i really appreciated musicians like mozart or mendelssohn etc.
I don't think there's such a thing as too much technique, but I do believe there can be too much focus on it. Technique and skill are important, but they are (or at least should be) means to an end, not the end in itself.
This is very good content as always, but let's be clear: at 1:47, this is NOT real Atmos. It’s just a watered-down simulation, nowhere near the effectiveness of an authentic Atmos experience. It may add a hint of spatialization, but it’s minimal compared to a proper Dolby Atmos setup like those in certain movie theaters. Honestly, the way this is marketed everywhere these days is misleading. Just thought I’d point it out, i hope i wasn't too rude 😅
What I learned is that music is like pottery. To make an exceptionally good piece you need both technical capabilities and creativity and taste. Yes you may create something correct just with technical knowledge and capabilities but it will lack soul. You can create something exceptional only with taste though. The technique is just there to serve as a way to be able to say what you want. It’s not an end goal, it’s a tool that allows you to use your creativity and taste as much as you want.
No rules, only conventions. Conventions aid in communication but are not themselves the message. Techniques and other formalistic conventions help define genres that lay the groundwork for appreciating innovations by giving them a context in which they can be appreciated and comprehended. But, like different spoken languages with their various rules, conventions, traditions, and expectations, different genres of music aren’t the messages themselves, only the mediums messages travel through.
One measure of success is the amount of joy we give to others. And not just joy, but other things of value: friendship, knowledge, kindness, love, a hand up. Thanks for all the joy Nahre.🤗
Thank you so much!!
I've always viewed the technical aspect of music as simply learning and mastering a language with its own grammar, syntax, and vocabulary. It can be the means we use to express the internal, just like language. However, once fluent, we don't need to consider clauses, phrases, etc. It is a tool, I think! Great video!!
Great analogy!! Thank you!!
What an amazing friendship you two have. That’s the greatest value of the whole project.
Thank you!!!
Technique is like gaining vocabulary in the language. Using all of the pedantic vocabulary you’ve learned isn’t usually the best way to connect with people, but using the most direct language, focusing more on the content than the form, and then BAM! hitting them with the right word at the right time, both connects with people AND adds the impact that only high-level technique can do.
Good comment
Well said
Thank you for sharing this super personal moment when your friend listens to your creations for the first time. It made me realize wherever we are on our music journey, that mix of joy and fear/doubts during that moment is something we have in common :) Congratulations on those two beautiful creations, I mean three, with the art.
Thank you so much!! Fear/doubt definitely was present as I was giving the gift 😅
I think that the real issue comes when people never PRACTICE creativity. You can practice technique, but if you never practice and train the muscle that helps you apply your technique and build your creativity, it’s all for naught.
Great point about practicing creativity…!!
Music = clever organization of sounds, noises and tones. Nahre makes music seriously brilliant.
Thank you so very much!!
This was amazing on several fronts and involved several kinds of techniques. Playing, composing, and mixing to name a few. As a classical musician exposed to 500 plus years of music composing anything new for another classical musician is quite daunting. I think your real success is really understanding your audience of one and expressing want you wanted and needed. I'm just glad to go along for the ride.
As for those complaining about this being an ad - so what? A classical composer/performer managed to find a way to get paid and provide amazing content. We should all be so fortunate
This TH-cam channel has become such an inspiration to me
Thank you ☺️🙏🏻
Lack of technique kills creativity. Great technique enables creativity. If you have to think about how to play something technically you can't get creative with it.
True!!
I'm inclined to agree, but sometimes you can create something new from the lack of proficiency in something technically.
The point is that technique is a consequence of creativity. If you start with no creativity but only technique is a technique to what? What are you making real?
This was brilliant, thank you for sharing! After my own conservatory years, having first been neck-deep in the 'classical' world, I began to venture into the world of improvisation (however one wishes to label it). At that point, I developed a kind of love-hate relationship with technique. It took me quite a while to reconcile that, but once I did, I came to the realisation that IMHO, there's a step that's generally missing from music education (and I don't necessarily mean this in the academic sense): that once you get to a point where your technique allows you to freely express, whether that's your own feelings or those of a composer you're interpreting, the 'final' step is to forget your technique. It's perhaps the greatest irony that, whenever I'm managed to do that, I always end up playing something that (a) I've never played before, or (b) I wouldn't have imagined I was even capable of playing. I believe that this is the moment when you're putting the technique to work for the Muse. The 'trick' is in being there when it happens. I hope that makes some sense. 🤭 Anyway, I loved this video, and I love the joy through which you bring the Wonder of Music to others. Cheers!
Thank you so much Nahre, it might sound weird, but my tears just ran through my cheeks as i listen to the music you composed for steph, that sincerity is precious.
That means a lot to me… thank you so much!!!
First thought: technique is like a tool in your toolbox. The better your tools are the better your craftmanship potential is. Of course the tool only is useful if you do something interesting with it but when you focus on the phrasing, dynamics, expression and all that, then those better tools allow you to play it better. Few people are interested in just hearing sombody play technically well or even perfect if the dynamics are not good, the phrasing is off and there is a lack of expression. Example of the reversed: the nocturnes of Chopin can be played by intermediate level amateur pianists, they get a lot of room for expression and even when their technique still is mediocre it can be highly interesting for both the player and the listener. So technique is not overrated but you have to combine a good technique with all that oter stuff, otherwise your good technique will not get appreciated by the listeners.
Very valuable insights!!
I've chosen to approach everything with a hammer all the time because it represents how I feel about everything right now. Every Tool's a Hammer.
Dynamics, phrasing, rubato, etc. are all technique - means of expression.
They're definitely not non technique. They're technique in the broad sense. Actually even if you just particle scales and arpeggios, you'd need to practice them thoughtfully in a musical context. That's how jazz musicians practice it. Ravel even said that said - master your technique and you've already mastered musicality.
@@theothertonydutchhaha!
A good riff is a good riff! Simple or technical, that being said technique is always impressive! And the drive and discipline to achieve that is always admirable !
Yes!!
Nobody is asking, but I love the range of the two pieces. As one who has many times given the gift of an avant garde recording of Happy Birthday, I realize I must up my game...not with technique, I'd need some to do that...This is a wonderfully joyful video (and thing to do)...as others have said.
Omg. What an amazing gift idea-I'd cry if you did that for me. I love your beginner mindset on the artwork and wow what a Fantastic product.
Really liked this, especially as this morning over breakfast a friend and I discussed the process of creativity.
Thank you!! I appreciate your comment!!
A wonderful, fantastic 'experience.' Love it! Thanks for sharing this personal experience with your TH-cam community.
Real music brings a smile to anyone’s face, and can really capture moments in life through melody, that’s what your music in the video was like Nahre 😊
Thank you!! I appreciate your comment!!
I disagree. Not everything has to bring a smile to someone's face. Sometimes giving shape to pain helps to give it a place in the world, and to help in healing. Sometimes it can express and bind people together through mutual anger in justified discontent.
the same problem happens with sound engineers. When you start you think everything has to 'sound it's best' but as you mature you slowly realise everything has to match the emotion of the music, not sound perfectly hi-fi.
This is me the other day, I was eq'ing a bass to make it sound perfect, but then it sounded dull. I made a dirty eq move and suddendly the bass got character!
I love compose music. In fact many have a good technique but a lack of creativity. Of course technique ir very important to realize what we imagine to put in one composition. In fact many times compose music is show our feelings in matter of notes,scales chords and arpeggios. Great video Nahre❤
Thank you for sharing this intimate look into your friendship with Steph and how you learned to compose more freely, balancing technique with creativity. This was a joyous video on so many levels - the methods of composition, the motives for doing it, the reception of the gift, etc. I can understand why Steph said it was the best birthday present ever. You really gave her a piece of yourself and two very creative and positive views of herself. This is very much like a painter capturing the soul of the portrait subject. I am not sure anyone has done this with music before. Can you?
Technique is the gold mine of skill. Technique has nothing to with rigidity, that is in your mind. Technique gives the play the ability to translate the music of the mind into the physical. Technique give the player, through the hands and fingers, the tools to create. Free the mind to preconceptions and i to the music.
Very true about the rigidity in the mind… thank you for sharing!
What a great friend you are. That tracks with what a thoughtful creator you are.
Oh gosh, the way Nahre laughs while showing the music, I can relate so hard as a composer!!!! GHAHAHAHA, beautiful to see this feeling mimicked in somewhere else. Very appreciative of this reflective, philosophical and personal story..
I was actually so self conscious and kind of nervous!!!
On top of a really beautiful project (and heart poured friendship), this episode is expertly produced. The lessons are inspiring for all walks of life 👍
Thank you for sharing this. What an amazing friendship!
Love keeping up with your channel! This episode actually made me think of Iiro Rantala. Finns just have that unique, outside-the-box vibe. If you ever interview him like you did with Mateus Asato, or even do an episode on his style, I'd be really into it. Take care :)
I spy a kalimba! Wonderful instrument, the first one I taught myself and learned how to improvise with. I remember thinking when I took up the guitar, 40 years ago, that if could improvise as freely on guitar as kalimba, I would get where I wanted to go.
Stated differently, and as relevant to the theme of the video, I cite a quote from the great guitarist and composer Tony Rice, “Play what you hear in your head. If you do that, you will find a way to get it out.” I have found that to be true: My technique has expanded as I reach for new sounds.
Great quote!! And yes, the kalimba is great!!
😂😂😂I enjoyed this….a different and goofy side to you, Nahre! You really express yourself in music, happpliy😊
Thank you!!!
@ No problem 🤙🏿♥️
You’re a really cool friend. What an amazing gift
What an inspirational video! I think creativity makes technique, but beautiful speaker though.
Thank you!!
What a sweet gift. 🎁 It’s obvious which one she liked best. I want that frame 😂
I really love your music Nahre, been listening to your album on Spotify
Thank you! It means a lot ☺️
Thank you so much for this very joyful project!
Thank you so much!!
Next level! This is just so awesome! Happy Birthday to your friend!
Very, very cool. Love the artwork. So creative. You and Steff are so lucky to have each other. Two creative peas in a pod. : )
Thank you!! ☺️
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Why am i crying all over this? Pure joy.
WOW, what a wonderful video! Thank you so much 👍😊
Thank you back!!
this is why I wish more artists would both understand the word production, and work with real producers. A good producer can guide an artist towards 'real world' emotional translation, because ideally they represent the audience and don't know music theory etc, which us artists are often too close to the work to see past.
you deleting that whole section is the production bit, because you had clarity on the bigger picture, but you only had that clarity because you knew the intended audience.
Most artists (especially in classical circles) get trapped in elements like virtuosity / technique as a crutch to lean their expression on, because they have no other emotional direction. As in truth, that art it's really just for them, not anyone else!
Thank you for your comment!! Great insights…
You are such a visionary and inspiration. Thanks for the great thoughts and challenging ideas to ponder!
Lovely aspect. Your views on seriousness of music are good, and I love your presentation.
I think great composers strived for a broad range of moods, walking the whole scale from "fun to serious" - visiting grief, sarcasm, hystery, brooding, romantic quiet, exhilaration etc.
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I think you'd love Masashi Hamauzu's music for Final Fantasy XIII. Also his band Imeruat!
Will check it out :)
I was literally thinking FFX when she played the first composition.
@@MrKitrid absolutely! only reason I recommended Imeruat & XIII is because of the live instrumentation but his style is pretty consistent with FFX as well for sure
Great video Nahre. Is very inspiring.
For me, both pieces are great, and I wouldn't like to hear one without also hearing the other. So, the serious first and the silly second are just fun to listen exactly that way.
Loved this Nahre …great creative fun and the joy expressed throughout brought a wonderful sense of the same to me …ps the first piece reminded me of Thomas Newmans work…😊🎉😊
Commenting before watching the video because I've been having a very similar thought to this topic lately.
I reason there's a balance to strike:
-If you ignore technique, it can hamper your ability to communicate your ideas on your instrument, which can make it harder to enjoy.
-If you put too much effort into technique, you can lose track of why you're playing your instrument, which can make it harder to enjoy.
-If you devote a moderate amount of your attention to technique, you can continually develop your ability on your instrument as you increasingly enjoy playing it.
I've been playing drums for close to 15 years now, and when I started, I made a rule with myself to never get caught up on what I call the "paperwork side of things"; enjoying drums was priority. It's worked pretty well for me throughout time.
Oh, one thing I should clarify is I got into it purely as a hobby. There was no tutoring or taking classes or anything, so there was no "am I wasting money on lessons" involved.
I forgot that that can play a role in making someone feel pressured to work on technique.
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That was so sweet of you!!
I really learned a lot nareh sol thank you so much. These past few years has been good for me because watching you has helped me improve a lot. Thank you. If i were steph i would have gone for the second track i loved it more❤❤ I also feel having Techniques under ones belt makes one play and have freedom better at the piano.
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What an amazing video and gift!!
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Literally cried watching this. So very touching.
So cool! What a fabulous idea for a gift.
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Great video!! I love seeing that side of you! Thanks!
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such a cool video!! loved to see the final product(s) and your friend's reaction, and still learn a lesson from everything :) truly, even in music, work and play are always in balance
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You’re technically amazing so keep it up! It must be liberating. I have worked hard on piano but unfortunately can not hang with you at all but….
I can follow (mostly) what you are saying. I don’t have the technique to keep up with your playing.
To answer your question I would respectfully say say, “no technique isn’t overrated, it’s liberating. It must be a means to expression. Not much more than that but that’s a heavy load to carry!
Just go with it and we can deeply enjoy your music!
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I personally value creativity over chops, but knowledge brings more tools to the table.
Cool Project. I like both songs.
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When you realize you have been fooled into watching an infomercial... 14:54
no kidding
I was waiting all video long to see some kind of discussion and demonstration of the supposed topic. It's just an infomercial.
It’s too bad to hear… I do my best to only promote what aligns with the video project and channel. The topic of technique and its application is at the core of the video and sprinkled throughout. If you didn’t feel this way, I’ll keep that as feedback. Thank you!
@@NahreSol As for my two cents, I don't mind, actually, because your content is far superior than the average TH-cam channel, and after all you have bills to pay, like everyone else.
(Edit) Watching it again, I've even noticed that I had skipped the intro the first time, where you clearly state that you'll do something using a product of the sponsor of this video. So it's all fair play and I apologize for missing that.
But yeah, it kind of feels a little too focused on the product. Dunno. 😂
@@NahreSol Not everyone will feel the same way. I saw the sponsorship coming a mile away and still watched and enjoyed the video for what it is. Also I do appreciate that you are careful with your sponsorships.
I smiled throughout the entire video 😭🥰
Nahre, at 11:10 it almost feels like Steph sees you - like she's gazing into your soul and she says the landscape inside and you realize it and turn. Maybe that's not what happened at all but God is it beautiful to witness this and feel as though it might be. God the beauty of this - thank you so much Nahre ^^
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@@NahreSol thank you with all my heart for letting us be a part of it, made for a beautiful evening ')
As a non-musician - but music lover - it's clear to me that technique is about making good cogs that fit effortlessly into larger groups. That's not the same as becoming an artist, though it may help. As others have commented, technique enlarges and refines a musician's language, ultimately creating a bigger canvas for art.
Was laughing as much as you guys were at the end, I was vibing as much as Stephanie was for number 2 😂🔥
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These videos have been so enjoyable. While I have opinions on this subject, I really think you nailed it.
While subtle, there is a mindset difference between technical and good verses good and technical. The former feels very academic or forced while the latter focuses on the art which in turn impacts how the technique (or message) is expressed. While both can work, to me the latter is more about listening to what the art piece wants instead of forcing something on it. You experienced that problem early on in the video.
Thanks for the videos!!!
Academic is a good word to use… yes! And thank you!!
Thanks for sharing that experience!
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Somehow having to learn that the more work and dedication invested, the more fun to be had by choosing how and when to apply the acquired knowledge. Although there is a risk of ending up bonkers like Nahre.🤪😊
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I have found technique is helpful, but it’s what you say with your music. That’s the most important. I think people should always come to songwriting with an idea. Whether you can use big words or not is not the important thing, its how you use your words. I think people can definitely get trapped in thinking larger words have more meaning. the greater the technique the more things you can say. But thats not necessarily a good thing.
The best example i have is jon gomm. He always comes to his songs with ideas, and stories. He is a virtuosic songwriter, cause even though his technique is insane, every individual element sounds simple, and is completely memorable. Being able to make something simple sound complicated is super common. But being able to make something complicated sound simple is a testament to someones skill as a songwriter. You can tap along easily, you can sing the melody, and you can get lost in the atmosphere. Vs other people who play with similar technique, has a similar wow factor, but the ideas are not as digestible and translatable as his. Not to truly put anyone in a vs scenario, but just an example, as to how truly talented jon gomm is as a songwriter.
Oh Jon Gomm!! I love his music… great example…
@ hes sooo good 💙
Nahre I'd definitely watch a cartoon scored by you and Stephanie
😄😄😄 maybe we will do it 🤔🤔🤔
Technique is not overrated. Only if technique is flawless one can think of expressing one's intention on the instrument. If the technique is lacking, there is a frustration, that one can't reach the expressiveness level one intends.
Another thing is reading music. I don't know if that qualifies as technique, but fluent reading of sheet music makes one reach the musicality level otherwise impossible to reach. With fluent reading, rehearsing times can be shortened, or even eliminated with both the reading is fluent and finger technique is flawless.
What I think can be overrated though, is focusing on one instrument. To me, personally, keyboard playing has always been a huge challenge in terms of finger technique and reading music. I recently started taking bass electric classes, and I am happy to say that I feel like I actually start reading music now. And it's very clear to me why. Because there aren't any chords in bass lines [Ed. Note: At least in the exercise I practice]. And there aren't both bass and treble clef needed, just one note to read at a time, in purely sequential manner. No multiple notes stacked vertically on the staff.
Now, once I get more proficient on the bass, both the bass theory is likely to merge into the keyboard theory. That's the beauty of Western music theory. Anyway, I am digressing... Technique is not overrated. In fact, I think technique is the most desirable attribute of playing music on an instrument.
I really love everthing that you do ! It's impressive and i always learn from you !
I wanted to talk to you about picasso... He was a man that destroyed women to make art. He destroyed many women sometimes underage, and proud, painted it. (See minotaur and Dora collection... Marie-Thérèse Walter was 17. Those women were all promising young artist. Until he destroyed them. There is a biography talking about it "Picasso, le Minotaure")
The clip of your friend saying "do whatever you want" reminded me of a track "Personals" from the 1994 album _Dressing for Pleasure_ by Jon Hassell and bluescreen, which features a clip with the same words-- although the context is, ah, somewhat different. Still, there is a similarity in the musical style.
Proves: Love is the best Teacher. Technique is an afterthought. Intensity and connection (primordial sound), drive the world before thought enters the picture! -Really enjoyed the journey that led to the creation of these musically dissimilar twins 😂 ❤
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That was beautiful
As an opera singer, trained by seven opera coaches, our "technique" includes diaphragmatic breathing - which I tossed into the rubbish - I then created my own vocal technique that disregards the large muscles and focuses instead on dozens of smaller muscles that require much less effort and much less oxygen - this vocal technique allows me to sing dozens of operatic arias in under two hours ... with glorious tones and phrasing ... I never get tired of singing.
Wow Nahre🎉🎉madam Coach lady...I love this video.very well worked on.
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My thing with Richter is, in most of the clips I've seen of him playing, he looks like he's mad at the piano, and trying to break it. As for this new gizmo, it seems pretty cool, but I think what goes onto it should be more like a lofi beat thing that blends in with the room. Nothing against your compositions though. I agree with the idea that classical technique and actual fun are opposite forces, at least in my music life. I like the way you blended playful stuff and hella skillful stuff, and I LOVE your friend's reaction when she first heard her own voice in your composition. It all reminds me a bit of Rachel Collier's Ableton stuff, with a lot of an avant-garde feel. Great video!!
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Best birthday present ever!
I get great joy from both tracks.
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Awe Steph is great ! she da homie
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Natural talent for Club edit versions.
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There’s something to be said about this concept. There were times earlier on in my piano journey where I knew just enough, but I was still able to apply a lot of my ear training and just feel. Just playing with what brings emotion to me and gets me in the music. Even if I didn’t always understand or know what precisely was going on under my fingers. Those moments of fresh creative juices have sometimes given way to the obsessive thought of needing to know the key, or understand the theory behind a piece, or practicing scales and arpeggios, or playing pieces that I don’t truly enjoy. Or, being hyper fixated on my technique, which sometimes takes away from the joy of playing. This is something ive never experienced with playing guitar, as I do practice theory and technique there, it’s far more easy to tap into that sweet spot because the majority of my guitar years have been through ear training
Very well said… sometimes the joy of playing can be lost…
Wow! What a great friend!👍
As I tell my students, good technique is always in service to great expression.
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Technique is a way of doing something. Technique is a means to an end not the end in of itself. For a good musician technicality is a way to broaden their expressive vocabulary. Its a means of freeing themselves from physical limitations. But If one doesn't have impactful things to express then no amount of Technique will make a difference. The other way around, however, a creator will only be limited in a physical ability to express themselves. Like Jason Becker. He can't play anything but through other people's hands he can still express himself and his ideas through composition. Most virtuosic music is uninspired garbage just like most regular music is too. But with virtuosity one can express more potentially uninspired garbage in any given moment. In my experience, creativity isn't identical to inspiration and neither is necessarily related to technical ability. You can be infintitly creative and still end up with endless uninspired creations. You can also be a world class performer and have no original ideas to express. And you can be an entry level player but express ideas that hit hard and go deep because you can't help yourself. And they might not be clever or innovative or original but cut through just the same. As there are many songs and compositions that sound similar but on a primal level only one hits the spot. Cheers!
Thank you, Samsung for inspiring creativity per usual on the internet.
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Technique is up there with marketing, it can suck the life out of things.
I'm pretty sure it is a question of how technique is applied and not the quantity.
It's always the best when art and fun meet. Like in Beethoven's Diabelli-Variations.
Acrobatic Technique and virtuosity impress very few people. It really only impresses other musicians for the most part.
Music should encompass the whole range of human experience. It should be solemn and deep, it should be goofy and light, it should be sad, it should be happy.
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This was AWESOME!!!!!!!!!
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So dang wholesome! 💖
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luciano berio sequenca III :D. this was one of my personal eye and ear opener. i never looked back since i discovered the first atonal music. the funny thing was, that the more of this stuff i listened to and really loved the more i really appreciated musicians like mozart or mendelssohn etc.
Great piece indeed…!
I don't think there's such a thing as too much technique, but I do believe there can be too much focus on it. Technique and skill are important, but they are (or at least should be) means to an end, not the end in itself.
The first track sounds very Pikmin-esque, very ethereal and beautiful!
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yes! music has to be fun 🥰
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This is very good content as always, but let's be clear: at 1:47, this is NOT real Atmos. It’s just a watered-down simulation, nowhere near the effectiveness of an authentic Atmos experience. It may add a hint of spatialization, but it’s minimal compared to a proper Dolby Atmos setup like those in certain movie theaters. Honestly, the way this is marketed everywhere these days is misleading. Just thought I’d point it out, i hope i wasn't too rude 😅
What I learned is that music is like pottery. To make an exceptionally good piece you need both technical capabilities and creativity and taste. Yes you may create something correct just with technical knowledge and capabilities but it will lack soul. You can create something exceptional only with taste though. The technique is just there to serve as a way to be able to say what you want. It’s not an end goal, it’s a tool that allows you to use your creativity and taste as much as you want.
No rules, only conventions. Conventions aid in communication but are not themselves the message. Techniques and other formalistic conventions help define genres that lay the groundwork for appreciating innovations by giving them a context in which they can be appreciated and comprehended. But, like different spoken languages with their various rules, conventions, traditions, and expectations, different genres of music aren’t the messages themselves, only the mediums messages travel through.
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Cool. Reminds me a little of the music by "The Books".
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Fun vibe