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HenDawg reacts to How Did Michael Jordan Do Against Larry Bird?
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James Worthy was the one that said MJ made you look slow but Bird made you look stupid 😂
Both Worthy and Cooper (who would definitely know) said that between Jordan and Bird, Bird was more difficult to guard.
FACTS...
Most underrated aspect has to be his rebounding. Bird averaged 10 for his career in the era of giants, and that largely gets overlooked by all his other qualities.
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Bird didn't need to score a lot personally to be amazing. That is why he was so lethal. You didn't know how he was going to help his team win each game.
Rebounding is his most underrated skill - I think. Shooting, passing, hustle are well known. He said he worked on rebounding after facing Moses Malone in the '81 finals.
Interesting enough, the first game in the 1981 finals Bird grabbed like 20 rebounds against Moses, he and Parish made the life impossible for Malone on that game
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Bird made his teammates better to a far greater degree than Jordan did. That's why he was able to take Boston from 29 to 61 wins in one season when he was the only new starter (this was before Parish and McHale got there).
Before Dennis, Danny, and Bill Walton TOO
Bird GOAT
@@alanduff1054 True dat, but he did get his first title before DJ, Ainge and Walton. When you hear people talk about what great teammates Bird had around him, they usually cite Parish and McHale..when Bird was already winning before they arrived).
@@toddfrank3344 FACTS BRO... I been saying it for years and even when they DID arrive he MADE all of them BETTER
@@alanduff1054 Absolutely true. But what Bird did his rookie year puts an exclamation point on it, because none of those other guys were there yet, and the Celtics still went from 29 to 61 wins in one season. He literally changed the entire character of the club, which is something you can't measure in stats. Same with Magic, who took a mediocre team and made them champions..again in one season. Ditto Bill Russell when he arrived in Boston. They are my top 3.
10:28 "60 is 60" ... context does make a difference, though, and noone ever mentions that Jordan needed 2 OT to get that 63 in game 2. His 49 in game 1 was just as impressive. Two fantastic individual efforts by a star with a .500 team.
I mention it quite often actually. I especially like to trot it out to piss off Jordanaires.
@@irishgrl I'm quite sure you do... i meant people who make the videos discussing it
Jordan had 54 in regulation time in that game.
Elgin Baylor had 61 in regulation time in 1962.
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I have MJ slightly ahead of Bird on my all time list. They are both in my top three. But Bird could dominate a game by taking only 10 or 12 shots. He did so much on the court that many of the things he was doing would never reflect on the stat sheet. Great reaction as always bro. Keep these bangers coming.
Thanks for the support bro 🙏🏾
7:44 MJ was being regarded as the next one up early on but being that he hadn’t achieved that much at that point, the league was still centered around Magic & Bird (Lakers/Celtics), Kareem, Doc still being around as elder statesmen also. The Bulls/Celtics matchups got more interesting when Pippen and what would be their core squad from the first three peat got better, which is basically 88, 89-91. The Celtics of the mid 80’s are on the very short list of the greatest teams of all time so only the Lakers of that period were their one true rivals. Either way, we’ll never see the likes of this type of competition ever again so it’s always good to see it from different vantage points. Appreciate you doing this digging bruh, so much history to unlock!
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Most people will say passing, but he's always been a good passer and one man cant do everything. I would say it was his rebounds and defense. Bird made 3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1982-1984)
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LARRY LEGEND IS A UNICORN AND THE TRUE GOAT 🐐 ☘️
#birdgang
GOAT
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@@HenDawgTV So once again I'm asking you do you agree Bird GOAT??? I promise I won't tell yo Dad.. :)
During MJ's second year, Larry was the only NBA player that was talking about MJ. While the rest of the All-stars were trying to avoid talking about Jordan, Bird was always elevating his praise of Michael. After Jordan's 63-point game against the Celtics, Bird was tired of Jordan not getting the attention he deserved, so he called MJ "God disguised as Michael Jordan". Since Bird, as one of (along with Magic Johnson) the two biggest names at the time, he essentially, personally tore down the "freeze-out" policy all the other stars had against MJ and forced them to have to acknowledge him. Jordan mentions that Birds praise that day was what initially allowed him to start getting significant attention from the public and bypass the 'hazing' that the other, more jealous stars were putting him through. Jordan actually mentions this in an interview.
Good points!
I think Bird's most underrated skill was his play-making ability - Field General Bird.
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In the playoffs Jordan NEVER beat Bird... NEVER...
Why did Jordan struggle against Larry Bird??? BIRD was BETTER OVERALL player.. That's ALL.. nothing complicated.. It only SEEMS complicated because Jordan was a better RAW talent but fundamentals and how to get his TEAMMATES involved no comparison...
Except Jordan clearly didn't struggle against him, the Bulls struggled against the Celtics....which is the same for every team not named the Lakers in the 1980s. That has nothing to do with an individual player and all to do with the collective.
Get it straight.
YES they EXPECTED Jordan to DO everybody but they also expected Jordan to LOSE whenever he played Boston, Pistons and the Lakers...
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When The Bulls got Scottie Pippen Larry and the Celtics were still making them work... even with Bird's multiple injuries. Yeah, the Bulls weren't much in the 80s... but the early 90s is when the bulls started winning championships, and Bird always gave Jordan trouble even then.
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Yeah the Celtics were much better, but the whole eastern conference was crazy back then Boston, Detroit, Philly, Atlanta and Milwaukee were all great teams so it was pretty tough to get out of that compared to the west
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Imagine the game where MJ scores 63 points... and still loses against the Celtics. MJ played like a superhero, but still lost.
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In my Hometown of Wilmington .NC where Michael Jordan was from it was known that Michael Jordan would tear up the league. I got to see him play in High School. I graduated High School in 1982 one year after Michael Jordan.
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🍀It was like watching 18 year old Carmello Anthony or GAYBRON or Kobe?!😳🍀 None of us expected MJ to become what he was!
Jordan had 29 career triple doubles.
Bird had 59
Crazy thing about Jordan is about half those came in the season he played PG for about 20 games. So it is a weird case that Jordan was super capable of getting the trip dubs but for whatever reason was less inclined to do it when he was SG.....in addition to the Triangle Offense reducing assist chances because the ball was purposely spread around when it came to assists.
That said, Bird was uniquely versatile. He did everything at almost a best on the Celtics level from scoring to assists to rebounds. He is the best SF imo.
@@scottb3034 Bird GOAT Bro..
@@alanduff1054 Come up with something, you bore me.
@@scottb3034 GOAT
@@alanduff1054 yes, that was the greatest comeback of all time, thanks.
His least rated skill was loose ball recoveries, offensive rebounds and put backs....
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birds greatest strength that people don't talk about??? I would say his ability to take average players and turn them into Hall of Fame All-star's. he's the ultimate team player. A team win was greater than individual stats.
The Celtics and the bulls did face off when the bulls were in their prime. A severely physically injured bird took it to the mj / pipen bulls in one of birds last games and there was nothing the bulls could do to stop bird. bird even dropped the game winning buzzer beater despite mj and pipen being all over him with the double team. I think that might even be the game where bird had to be admitted in the hospital and spent a day or two in "traction" just to be able to walk out on the court
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Bird did make average players all-stars. he didn't make any of them HOFers. All his HOF teammates were deserving of it and built some of their resume without him....except maybe McHale...but McHale was a talent even if Bird wasn't there.
Bird is the best SF in history and he is the one that should be talked about as improving his teammates out of the SF position rather than that current guy that gets all the credit but makes his teammates change to fit HIM.
Bird was ACTUALLY a better passer than Magic but Magic made it LOOK like his passes was better...
Hot take
@@HenDawgTV indeed..
@@HenDawgTV I told yo dad Bird is GOAT and he ignored me lol
Both are great passers. Magic was more dedicated to it in his peak than bird but both could sling it. To say Magic is an inferior passer is not fair or particularly true. He was otherworldy in his assists otherwise he wouldn't have finished where he did nor had the seasons he had. Sure he benefited from great scorers but so did Larry. Larry was skilled at it but I would say Magic was more effective at getting it to teammates in a position to score easily and thus complete the assist, that's the difference between them.
Respect Magic as you respect Larry. That's how Larry would want it.
#birdgang Bird was a Better All around player. Michael had to have the Ball, Bird didn't have to have the Ball & could still make a difference & the Win. Bird was Yes big on Rebound & The Best Clutch Shooter also.
FACTS... Bird GOAT
That is disingenuous to say he needed the ball to have an impact. MJ struggled to score in game 7 of the 1998 ECF but the Bulls won because he held Reggie Miller scoreless the final like 18 minutes of the game. He was a terror defensively even in his older years. He also was a capable rebounder for his position being one of the top 3 rebounding SG in league history and on the night he scored 69 he also grabbed 19 boards....as a shooting guard on the same floor as Brad Daugherty, Scottie Pippen and Horace Grant.
That said, Bird was a better rebounder clearly and as good if not a better passer....but he wasn't the defender Jordan was. I don't know if Bird is better all-around moreso he did things clearly better than Jordan and MJ isn't head and shoulders above him.
It also helped Bird that he had McHale, Parish, Dennis Johnson, Bill Walton (for 2 seasons), Ainge, Maxwell, etc to be difference makers with the ball so he didn't NEED to have to ball to win games. He could just be the best rebounder and passer on the floor and let his deep team of great scorers do all the scoring work. Jordan didn't have the luxury of 5 HOFers and several strong 6th man candidates to work with (not a knock on Bird, just context).
Bird is the best SF that's ever played.
@@scottb3034 Bird GOAT PERIOD Bro
@@alanduff1054 Nah....but good retort. you were really convincing....especially the part where you added nothing meaningful.
This is who Bird has as his champions for his GOAT claim? Pathetic.
@@scottb3034 lol
# 1 BIRD vs # 2 JORDAN
Hot take
FYI:
In 1986, Jordan had 49 in game one, 63 in game two and averaged *43 PPG* in the first round against the Celtics!
And this wasn’t even the most that he would end up averaging for a series in the playoffs 😮
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#birdgang 🏀☘💚
Nice video of giving the Celtics their due without tearing down the Jordan and vice versa giving younger Jordan due without disrespecting the Celtics and Bird.
Glad you notice 💯
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The Bad team Jordan played on made the playoffs without him for most of the season. Jordan fans say he had a team of scrubs.
Yes but the point is that it’s a team barely scrapping in vs one of the greatest of all time. When people use the “he never beat Larry” argument they always ignore the massive difference in those squads. The true measure would have been if we got prime Celtics vs prime bulls
they won 31 games and their best player Orlando Woolridge was a drug addict at the time (and eventually died prematurely because of his addiction in the 80s)....is that a good team?
Also lets not forget that management didn't want him on the court that season and wanted the bulls to tank the season but he disregarded it (which ultimately cost Stan Albeck his HC job and began Jordan's distrust of the Bulls FO).
This is not some narrative like you are painting it.
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Michael Barry Bonds Jordan / 0 - 6 in 6 Playoff Games Vs Larry Bird in 1986 and 1987 combined . The Celtics LET Jordan Score , and shut his suck Bulls team mates Down .
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I will choose passing as Bird's " most underrated skill".
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My top Three Players of all Time are #1 Michael Jordan 32 Larry Bird and #3 Magic Johnson. It was amazing when they played together on the 1992 Dream team.
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Yeah Worthy preferred to look slow TOO...
lol i dont blame him
Another good reaction from you. Appreciate this video as usual. Love the insight you always give. However im curious what your opinion is on this. You mention at the beginning of this video that Jordan had no chance against the Celtics with the team he was playing on in his 2nd year. You mention Jordan didnt have Pippen, Grant, Cartwright, Rodman, Kucoch and so on. I agree with you by the way. But what does that say about Larry? He came in the league in 79-80 and joined a team that went 29-53. With the same guys on the team and adding Bird Boston goes +32 in the win column. 61-21. Jump to season 2 and Boston adds Parrish, and drafts Mchale as a rookie. Boston wins it all in 1981 in Birds 2nd year. So Bird made the impact right away for Boston to be able to win a title in his 2nd year where as Jordan couldnt and didnt make that kind of impact for Chicago. Also i want to point out that it took MJ 3 years with pippen and Horrace on the team to win the title in 91 where as it took Bird in year 1 with Parrish and Mchale to win it all. Just some food for thought. My favorite player of all time is Bird BUT Jordan is my G.o.a.t. he is the best ever in my opinion but regarding the idea that Jordan had no shot because of the team he was on just has to make you appreciate Bird even more because of him making an impact from day 1. Hopefully i didnt ramble to much and hopefully your getting what im trying to point out. Thanks again for all your reactions and knowledge of the game of Basketball.
Thanks for the feedback and support 💙
Bird also enabled his teammates to excel.
True
#Birdgang
Why does every single person who talks about who's the goat only talk about points? There's so much more to the game. That's why Larry Bird is better imo. He had everything.
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Jordan was the best scorer in the league and the best scorer in playoff history,so obviously his scoring is gonna come up. He was also the best defender and rebounder at his position and wasn't a bad passer either.
@@davidschmidt1793 that's not what I'm talking about. I know scoring comes up, as it should. I'm saying when you're talking about the greatest overall basketball player of all time, in my personal opinion, it's the guy who can do everything well. Bird was the most efficient volume scorer in league history so I also take that into account, but there are other aspects of the game. Bird is considered in the top 5 in both scoring and passing. He is the only player in NBA history to average 20-10-5 for a career, although that was a couple of years ago so I'm not sure if that is still the case, but I would assume so. Bird is on another level in so many categories, it's ridiculous. I'm not saying that if you think Jordan is the goat that you're wrong, I have him at #2, but it's more than just his scoring.
@@miked5814 Bird top5 in scoring? What are you talking about? I wouldn't call him a volume scorer either. In terms of efficiency,Curry is the most efficient volume scorer ever,but that's mostly because of the 3 pointer inflation. Bird's always been regarded as one the best shooters ever,that yes. Bird was a great shooter,amazing rebounder,amazing passer and an above average defender. Jordan was arguably the best scorer ever,the best rebounder at his position,the best defender at his position,a top2 stealer at his position,a top2 shot blocker at his position and a top5 passer at his position. Both players had almost no flaws in their games,not to mention their clutchness.
@@davidschmidt1793 you're wrong. Just look it up.
Bird won EVERY GAME against Jordan except 1.
Jordan was a good player but nobody really cared. His playoff game when he scored 60 he surprised the Celtics. After that Kevin McHale said they double teamed him.
They always doubled him, heck, they put everyone on him in that 63pt game, even Bill Walton fouled out.
Oh the Celtics definitely cared and your comment bears that fact. If they didn't they would have been fine letting him score 60 in single coverage. they were that close to being embarrassed in the first round at home. they cared.
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@@davidschmidt1793 Watch the game again. They definitely doubled him but it was on the fly. They hadn't planned on it and it shows. There was no co-ordinated effort is what McHale was talking about.
@@scottb3034 I meant that his team was weak in the eighties so no one was really caring about what Jordan could do to affect the playoffs. His individual stats were great but as Zeke said he was a non factor for the title. Jordan himself said "One man can't beat the Celtics.
Also what you meant was "Bares that fact" Bare means to expose like bare naked.
Michael Jordan did beat Larry Bird when Michael Jordan had a team. The 1984 Olympic team beat the NBA Allstars 8 or 9 Times. Michael Jordan/s best team in his early years was his 1984 Olympic Teammates.
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F outta here! I’m really glad U did this video. I consider myself to be a MJ historian, and I did not knw just as you stated, that MJ won 11 games versus Larry. The way, Nick and Shannon talked about it. You wld think that MJ never won 1 game! but I knew that it wasn’t true because I knw they don’t tell the whole story so Bron wnt 👀 bad!
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They were completely different peaks. Bulls then was not winning against a championship team like Boston, and Bird was at his peak. Jordan and the Bulls wasnt even developed yet...need context in these agruments
Facts thats what I was saying
Bird #1
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jhordan =god but larry =jesus
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