There is no trinity. Period.
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Very pointless, heretic video.
By this logic, gravity didn't exist until the apple fell on Newton's head.
The Trinity is present throughout the old testament. Just because they didn't have nomenclature for the concept in old testament times doesn't mean they didn't recognize it.
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Throw away your KJV because it declares the trinity. Jesus baptism, John chapter 1 and Genesis 1:26. Your arguments are weak. People say the rapture isn’t real because the English word isn’t in the Bible. But the truth is in the Bible.
My dear confused friend,
This is a Christian ministry, not a Facebook page.
Here, we believe, teach, and obey what is written in God's word, the Holy Bible.
In the Holy Bible, there is no such thing as a "rapture", and there is no mention of a trinity. None of the passages that you referred to in your comment make any mention of a god that exists in three persons.
There is no such thing.
That said, if you have a question about a specific passage of the scripture, and you would like to learn about what the Bible actually says, so that you may learn of the Lord Jesus Christ and his gospel, then I am here to help you.
Sincerely,
Clinton
@@TheWordprophet I’m guessing that you deny Jesus deity. If He is just a man He wasn’t sinless and couldn’t die for our sins.
My friend,
Respectfully, it is not wise to guess things about a man, when you have the opportunity from God to just ask him.
I am a Christian, and I certainly do not deny the deity of Jesus Christ.
He is my Lord and my God.
The deity of Christ is God, his Father, who is in him.
As it is written,
God was in Christ.
God was manifest in the flesh.
The Word was God, and the Word was made flesh.
When our Lord Jesus was 30 years of age, he went down to the Jordan river and was baptized, and the heavens were opened, and he was anointed with the Holy Ghost and power.
The Holy Ghost is his Father (and mine), and from that moment, God was in Christ.
That is the deity of Christ, according to the testimony of the scripture.
Sincerely,
Clinton
2 Corinthians 5: 19 Praise the Lord !
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same as in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made… And the Word became flesh, and dwelt among us.
Jesus is God. He was with the Father from the beginning of time and the Bible credits him for all of creation. The Bible describes how Jesus was sent by the Father and put on flesh. Jesus, having been eternal and being credited for creation, limited his divinity in a way that required him to be dependent on the Father. He had to eat, sleep, and drink. By this, Jesus becomes fully man while still being God.
Scripture asserts that Jesus is God. There really isn’t any room for debate because it’s right there in the KJV for you to read friend.
Greetings, my friend.
I am a Christian, and this is a Christian ministry.
Jesus Christ is my Lord and my God.
The Bible says that the Word was God, and that the Word was made flesh and dwelt among us.
That is the truth, and it is what I have been preaching with all authority for decades.
There is no such thing as a trinity.
The Bible says that God was in Christ, not that Christ was a God.
God was manifest in the flesh.
God is a Spirit, and his Son Jesus is flesh; and in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily.
Amen.
Jesus is called a man because
Paul explains:
5 Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, 6 who, though he was in the FORM OF GOD, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, 7 but emptied himself, by taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. 8 And being found in human form, he humbled himself by becoming obedient to the point of death, even death on a cross. 9 Therefore God has highly exalted him and bestowed on him the name that is above every name, 10 so that at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, in heaven and on earth and under the earth, 11 and every tongue confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.
Sinner friend,
Respectfully:
1. The book that you are quoting from is not God's word. In English, God's word is preserved for us in the Holy Bible, King James Version.
Philippians 2:5-8, in the Holy Bible, says:
"Let this mind be in you, which was also in Christ Jesus:
Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross."
The reason that Paul the apostle wrote these things about our Lord Jesus is because, as he also wrote in another place,
"God was in Christ, reconciling the world unto himself."
2 Corinthians 5:19
The Bible does not say or suggest that Christ was a God.
It says that God was in Christ.
That is what the word "Christ" means.
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Clinton
Friend, why was Jesus crucified? Because he claimed to be God.. Yet Jesus claimed he was sent by his Father, who is God. Jesus also explained he would send the Holy Spirit. Do not ignore what scripture plainly reads.
My friend,
1. Jesus was hated and crucified because he bore witness against the world, that the works thereof are evil.
John 7:7
"The world cannot hate you; but me it hateth, because I testify of it, that the works thereof are evil."
Jesus of Nazareth did not ever "claim to be God". That is a lie that trinitarians tell, not knowing the scripture.
The Bible says:
"God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time past unto the fathers by the prophets,
Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son..."
Hebrews 1:1,2
The Almighty God spoke to his people Israel by the mouth of that Prophet who he had ordained (Deuteronomy 18:17-19), and told them who he was. He was not making a claim. He was stating the truth.
Amen.
Here is a message from the scripture that will greatly bless you if you love God's word:
th-cam.com/video/_cxskxlM6Vw/w-d-xo.html
Sincerely,
Clinton
jesus said "baptise them in the name of the father, son and of the holy spirit."
Yes, he did.
Can you tell me what the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost is?
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Comments covered all the points that needed said but claiming to be a Christian and posting this is blatantly contradictory 😂 the trinity is so scripturally based if you deny it you clearly aren’t too familiar with God’s living breathing truth that is found in the Word.
Dear neighbor,
In the love of God, I would ask you to consider in your own heart why it is that your wicked generation, when presented with the truth of God's holy word, know only reviling and false accusations?
Of a truth no disciple of Jesus Christ would ever assay to speak or write such things as you have here.
I beseech you to seek God in his word, and learn of him, and live.
You have not much time left.
Remember Shimei.
In the pure love of God,
Clinton
When you realize the bible actually does have a trinity even in the hebrew OT and greek NT, dont pervert the bible to your liking dude
Greetings, my young friend.
This is a Christian ministry, and I am a grown man.
Grown men are called "sir", not "dude".
There is no such thing as a trinity mentioned anywhere in the Holy Bible.
If you have questions about the scripture, and would like to learn of the Lord Jesus Christ and his gospel, that you might be saved from your sins and from the wrath to come, I am here to help you.
Sincerely,
Clinton
When you come face to face with God and He says depart from me for I never knew you. Maybe then you’ll see the truth. Also the KJV is the absolute word of God, the ESV is actually a more accurate translation to the original Greek and Hebrew texts. 2 Timothy talks about false teachers like yourself same with James. You need to be careful with the false doctrine you preach cause the bible is very explicit with false preaching and the consequences
According to your own words you shall be judged.
Your bl%d be upon you.
My hands are clean.
You do sound very convincing but on this point you are wrong, 1john 1 to 3,and in the old trstement, the angel of the lord is God but separate from God, it's all over the old and new testement, and I only read the king James bible.
Greetings, my friend.
If you have a question about the word of God, or the gospel of Jesus Christ, I am here to help you.
Sincerely,
Clinton
You're not a Christian. The Trinity is ubiquitous in the old testament.
Dear friend,
This is a Christian ministry.
If you seek to learn of the Lord Jesus Christ and his gospel, I am here to help you.
But, if you only wish to revile and contradict God's word, there will be no audience for you here.
bro your still a baby in scripture read it more
Greetings, my friend, and thank you for visiting.
Please do not call me "bro"...we are not brethren. Also, with all due respect, I am not moved by insults and reviling. Having been a minister of Jesus Christ for 30 years, and an elder for 25 years, I am actually quite used to it. Jesus our Lord said that the world would hate his people, because the world hated him first.
That said, if you have questions concerning the scripture of truth, and would like to learn of our Lord Jesus Christ and his gospel, you are welcome to ask, and I will be happy to help you, if you are willing and able to believe the word of God as it is written.
Sincerely,
Clinton
@@TheWordprophetWe are all children of god. How can you say we are not brethren?
@@TheWordprophet Greetings and thank you for replying. Please do not call me "friend", because i don"t know you like that maybe in the future though. as far as "bro". If you and I believe in the same Jesus Christ ( from KJV HOLY BIBLE ) who died for our sins therefore making us children of God Ephesians 1:5 would it not make us brethren? of course it would, assuming that we both understand logic. As far as calling you a baby of scripture, forgive me if I offended you. I see that you quoted John 15:18 are you implying that I hate you therefore I hated Jesus first? Nay I love Jesus and I don't hate you, Not once did I say anything about hating you so please don"t take my words and twist them creating a lie for yourself to feel like you're doing God's work. With all do respect of course. After watching your video of the trinity I feel you lack understanding of the trinity and literally take everything literal in the Bible.
That being said if you would like to sharpen iron with me as to seek the Truth of God's Word which is Jesus I would be more than delighted to do so. take care bro and may Jesus show you revelation of the trinity.
Greetings, my friend.
Respectfully, this is a Christian ministry, and there is no such thing as a trinity mentioned anywhere in the Holy Bible. The trinity doctrine is antichrist (against Christ), and it is heresy.
It came from Babylon, not the Bible.
If you have questions about the word of God, I am here to help you; but I am not going to enter into debates with you or anyone about mythology.
Sincerely,
Clinton
@@TheWordprophet Matthew 28:19 what does Jesus say? what does that mean to you? your heart is in the right place. but you don't know how to interpret biblical truth. you need the bible to literally say trinity for you to accept that the father the son and the holy ghost is one. that's why I commented you saying you're still a baby in scripture and need to read and ask for revelation to learn how to interpret scripture properly and get more understanding. Jesus said verily verily I say unto you before Abraham was I AM. You are being deceived while deceiving others. if anything your the anti-Christ because you don"t acknowledge Christ Jesus as God. hello your own logic contradicts yourself. You should not debate cause you just buried your own logic. learn to properly interpret biblical truth before spreading the gospel. if you have any questions I'm delighted to help you. I'll also pray for you brother.
My brother in humanity, you play the game of intellectual superiority and pair it with false piety. May God grant us all mercy for we have all sinned. I hope you have the intellectual honesty and humility to keep your mind and heart open to the scriptures. There is one thing I wanted to point out; you said that you abandoned the “Roman” teachings however your view of Christ deity, based on your comments, suggest you have instead adopted some views of the Greek gnostics or at least regarding the deity of Christ.
Greetings, my friend.
This is a Christian ministry. The comment forum here is not a place for philosophical essays or debates.
If you have a question regarding the word of God and the gospel of Jesus Christ, which is the power of God unto salvation, then I am here to help you.
Very sincerely,
Clinton
@@TheWordprophet How do you reconcile John 17:5, Phil 2:5-7 and Heb 1:10-12? These all show Jesus deity in his prehuman existence
Aside from Christ saying baptize them in the name of the Holy Trinity, this doctrine can be found all across the Old and New Testaments. One of my favorite examples is the foreshadowing of the Trinity in Adam’s family. Adam was unbegotten, Seth was begotten and Eve proceeded from Adam. They are three distinct persons but one in human nature. The Trinity is a traditional doctrine that we’ve held since Pentecost and the Nicene Creed, which the Orthodox Church also affirms.
Everything else that sprung up afterwards is heresy and isn’t consistent with past revelation or Church tradition. And not only is it heresy brother, you would also be doubting the Lord by saying we were mistaken for nearly two millennia and that He’s just now responding. Galatians explicitly warned us to be mindful of new false gospels that come after the one which was already established. Whether it be through false prophets or messengers, let it be accursed. Which also applies to the heresy of Islam.
Dear friend,
In the first sentence of your comment, you wrote,
"Aside from Christ saying baptize them in the name of the Holy Trinity, this doctrine can be found all across the Old and New Testaments."
That is a lie. There is no such thing as "the name of the holy trinity", and Jesus Christ never uttered any such thing.
What he said, was this:
"All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost..."
There is no trinity mentioned in this passage of the scripture. The only thing that is being spoken of is a name into which sinners could be baptized to save them from their sins. And of course, the Bible makes clear that that saving name is Jesus Christ; for ten days later, when the new testament began, the same men that he had commanded with this instruction began to preach:
"Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost."
Acts 2:38
And Peter said again:
"Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved."
There is no such thing as a trinity, and so of course there is no such thing as a "name of a trinity". There is no record of anyone in the new testament of the Holy Bible being baptized in any other name than the name of Jesus Christ. That is how our sins are remitted, and we are washed by the blood of Jesus Christ.
And respectfully, the rest of your comment after the first sentence, is just nonsense.
& There is only 1 authorized church, not 48,000 currently. Ephesians 4:5 "One lord, ONE FAITH, one Baptism.
Greetings, my friend, and thank you for visiting.
If you have a question concerning the scriptures, I am here to help you.
~Clinton
So are you trying to tell us that there are 3 gods in Christianity instead of 1 God? Because reading from scriptures I see the Bible saying Jesus is God, the Father is God and the Holy Spirit is God.
Explain to me further because I don't get your point clearly
My friend,
I am a Christian, and this is a Christian ministry.
The Bible makes clear that there is only one God, and that is the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
Beside him there is no God.
God is a Spirit, and God is holy.
He is the Holy Spirit.
Amen.
1Th 5:23 - I pray God your whole "spirit" and "soul" and "body" be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. I am made in the image of God, and I am a trinity, I have a spirit, soul, and body. I had an NDE, my spirit left my body, I also experienced my spirit leaving at other times, people call this astral projection where someone can send their spirit to a different location. I a human can do this, then why can't God? Could He since He's in the 10th dimension or eternity send His Spirit to a trillion places at once?. In the beginning God Created the heaven and the earth, here God Created time, space and matter ie the universe. Rom 1:20 - For the invisible things of him from the creation of the world are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even his eternal power and Godhead; so that they are without excuse. Godhead = Trinity. Isn't it funny the universe has 2 invisible components - time and space. So Time resembles spirit, space resembles soul, and matter resembles body. I think before creation God was one, and He because He's unlimited was able to separate and form the Trinity, each having the same power and mind, 3 different beings but 1 God. But because He's God He can have 3 separate beings, we cant cause we're 4 dimensional beings trapped in a shell, only sometimes we can only separate just 1 of our 3 parts. Jesus started doing miracles only after the HS descended into Him. This is a foreshadowing of the Father descending into the Body after the 1000 yr millennial reign. Isa 9:6 - For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. This verse tells me that on that day Jesus will be called the everlasting Father. Summary - God was 1 before creation with 3 parts that didn't need to be separate. He wanted to create us to be and live with Him). All 3 parts of God were a form of spirit, the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, He became fully man so He can experience our pains. The Father comes into the Body at the end. And our bodies become like Jesus's resurrected body. So God comes down from spirit halfway, and He lifts us up halfway from physical to renewed physical/spiritual bodies. (Perfect plan of love huh) "Thus it is said, Adonai will be Sovereign over all the earth. On that day, Adonai will be one, and His Name will be one". I mean even Genesis 1, why did the Spirit hover over the face of the waters before the Word spoke? To do the action of creating, The Father wills it, the Son/Word speaks it, the Spirit does it (1 God, 1 trinity) just like each and every one of us is 1 human (and a trinity of mind, body, soul). There's a tone of scriptures that point to the Trinity, just mentioning one that is hidden, Rev 4:8 Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come. Notice there's 3 Holy's, one for each in the Trinity. You can make a grid 3x3 and insert Jesus, the Father, Holy Spirit, then read down the columns you will get - Holy Lord Jesus which was, Holy God the Father which is, Holy Almighty Spirit which is to come. There's tonnes of 3's in the scriptures, there's tonnes of 3's in the creation (Rom 1:20), space/time/matter for the universe. mind body soul for us, we're on the 3rd rock from the sun, 3 quarters of us is water, 3 quarters of earth is water, water is a molecule of 3 atoms, one hydrogen resembling the body, and 2 oxygen atoms resembling spirit and soul. E=mc squared, V=IxR etc etc etc, Not only creation but mathematics as well. 1/3 is 0.33333infinite and much more, 3 is everywhere how much proof do we need?
Also lots of Christians say the Trinity are 3 separate beings but 1 God, and they go on to say the Father is not the Son and not the HS but is God, the Son is God but isnt the Father or the HS, the HS is God but isnt the Son or Father. But they dont understand what this all means. I mean i can say something similar about myself, my body is me but isnt my spirit or soul, my soul is me but isnt my body or spirit, my spirit is me but isnt my body or soul. It just so happens that all 3 of me are in me haha. Didnt Jesus also say whoever sees the Father sees the Son and whoever sees the Son sees the Father.
Mat 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost. Each of the Trinity has a name?
Jehovah's Witnesses also don't believe in the Trinity, but I don't believe they exist because they cant be Jehovah's witnesses since they don't know Him. There's only 1 real Jehovah's Witness and that is our Saviour Jesus Christ, the other so called witnesses are "false" prophets.
Greetings, my friend.
With all due respect, I have read your comments, but I don't understand what you are trying to ask me.
Do you have a question regarding the scripture?
So you’re an arian or adoptionist. These heresies were debunked at the Nicene Council. Jesus Christ, praise be to His name forever, is God, bless him forever. God became man. That man is Jesus Christ. He died on the cross for our sins. That is the point of it all. You should do some research into heresies and early church history. Besides all of that though, I am going to send up a prayer for you in just a few minutes in the hope that you stop believing these things. God bless you forever.
My friend,
With all due respect, you and I do not speak the same language; for I am a Christian, and you are a theologian.
The witchcrafts of Rome have so confused you that you openly called me a heretick and then said, "God bless you forever" in the same paragraph...
If I were a heretick, then that would make you a partaker of whatever evil works you have accused me of.
The religious myth that God "became a man" is not only antichrist, but also perfectly ridiculous.
If you will actually read the Bible (Holy Bible, King James Version for English readers), you will see that God Almighty has proclaimed since the beginning that he is a Spirit, and that he is not a man.
God is not a man, has never been a man, and will never be a man. He is the Almighty God, the Maker of heaven and earth, and he is a Spirit.
Jesus said,
"God is a Spirit, and they that worship him must worship him in Spirit and in truth."
And, God begat a Son in the womb of a virgin of his own people. The Bible says that Jesus the Son of God was "made of a woman, made under the law".
The Bible does not say that he is a God, but rather that God is in him.
God was manifest in the flesh.
God is a Spirit, and his Son Jesus is flesh.
This is the mystery of Godliness, according to the Bible.
Please, my friend, for your own safety and well being, refrain from speaking about the Bible until you have searched the scriptures for yourself and found out who the Lord Jesus Christ is; for it is written, "Be ye not many masters, for theirs is the greater condemnation."
It is a very serious matter to handle the word of God; and one who has not been called and equipped by God to do so, should not attempt to do so, lest the wrath of God come upon him and destroy him suddenly.
If you have earnest questions about the word of God, I am here to help you.
Sincerely,
Clinton
@@TheWordprophet My brother, I hate to tell you this, but you are objectively wrong. What you are saying has been debunked countless times over. You are telling the world of a false teaching that goes against the very principles of the Holy Bible. God had to become the man Jesus Christ and die for our sins to redeem us. He paid the price for our sins on that day, at that place. An ordinary human could not pay that price. The sacrifice had to be Jesus Christ, who is fully divine and fully human. By Him being the sacrifice, He reconciled human and divine nature and made them compatible. This is how we are able to go to heaven. To say that Jesus Christ was not God is a heresy known as arianism, and to believe He was adopted as the Son when He was baptized is adoptionism. The same men that canonized the Bible believed in the Trinity. All early church fathers did and most Christians in the past and now do to this day. Read Colossians 2:9 1 John 5:7, 1 John 5:20, and Romans 9:5 to name a few. Of course, one must examine the context around those verses, so I implore you to read through the entire books and keep those verses in mind. God bless you forever and I pray you inherit the Kingdom of God, glory be to His name.
Dear friend,
As I said before, you and I do not speak the same language; and that is the reason that you cannot understand my speech.
It is written to the saints concerning your evil generation:
"They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.
We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us.
Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error."
I have held out to you the word of God, and you have rejected it and stopped your ears from hearing it, and taken in hand to reply only with fables and mythology which are heresy to the church of Jesus Christ.
That which you preach (like the vast majority of professing Christians today) is the very religion of Nimrod's Babylon; and you cannot see it, because my Father's word hath no place in you.
I leave you to your superstitions, therefore.
God Almighty is my witness that my hands are clean from your bl%d.
Sincerely,
Clinton
@@TheWordprophet I will pray for you to realize how wrong you are before it's too late. You have to accept Jesus Christ as your lord and savior, that is the only way to the kingdom of God. I haven't watched the full video yet but judging from your comments you seem lost. The bible very clearly talks about the trinity from the old testament to the new testament. All three, The father, the son and the holy spirit is in the old testament and the new testament nobody can deny that. I don't want to be disrespectful but It feels like you think the same way how most Muslims do, sadly. That doesn't mean that there's 3 gods. There's only one God and his name is Jesus Christ. If you accept Jesus as your lord and savior, obey him and him only, and ask for forgiveness of your sins every single day, you will be saved. God bless you!
Dear friend,
There is no such thing as "accepting Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour", and there is also no such thing as a triune god.
God sent you here so that you may learn of the Lord Jesus Christ and the way of salvation according to his word (Holy Bible, King James Version).
Please, pay attention.
Sincerely,
Clinton
Just because you call yourself a christian doesn’t mean you’re a christian. Only God knows who belongs to him and who doesn’t. Anyone can read the bible and teach it but that doesn’t mean anything. You can make truth claims and that means nothing either. The reality is, only God knows. I don’t trust anyone who proclaims to know truth and then tells others to come to them and ask THEM questions. All I know is Jesus said he is the good shepherd and his sheep hear his voice, they follow him and he gives them eternal life. I’m going to listen to and believe the Lord Jesus Christ and him alone.
Exactly!
Praise the Lord!
That is exactly what I have been admonishing people to do for years...more Bible, less TH-cam.
May God lead you into all truth as you turn off your internet device, stop going to church, and abide in his word.
John 8:31,32
Amen.
ill be praying for you, I pray that God opens your eyes and you may see what the scriptures truly say
Thank you for your earnest prayers, my friend.
Please, pray to the only true God, the Father of our Lord Jesus Christ.
He said by the mouth of his Son, Jesus, that if you ask anything in his name, he will do it.
~Clinton
One thing i dont understand what does it matter if jesus is the son of god, or is god himself. If god is all 3 but if i want to believe god is the only one that needs to answer my prayers why does that matter?
That is a good question; and we can see the answer in 1 Timothy 4:16:
"Take heed unto thyself, and unto the doctrine; continue in them: for in doing this thou shalt both save thyself, and them that hear thee."
Ik in ur description u mentioned no debate but I would like to see u have a friendly debate against Sam Shamoun a Christian apologist who actually proves the Trinity in many instances.
Dear friend,
Respectfully, the man that you speak of is not a Christian.
He is what is called in the scripture an heretick.
And it is written,
"A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject;
Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself."
Titus 3:10,11
You see, not only can we know that such a man is not a Christian by the heresy that he openly teaches (a trinity of gods), but also by the fact that he is well known for engaging in debates about it.
Christians do not engage in debates. Debates are for the wicked.
"Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers..."
Romans 1:29
Remember that the Bible says,
"Only by pride cometh contention; but with the well advised is wisdom." (Proverbs 13:10)
ALL debates come from one source, and happen for one reason, and that is pride.
And, while men like Mr. Shamoun are making videos and arguing and debating with other people about nonsense, to try to convince others that they are right, souls are perishing, every moment, every day, and they are doing nothing about it.
We who are Christians are here to preach the gospel of Jesus Christ and set the captives free.
Our purpose is not to argue with others to prove that we are right.
It is rather to preach the world of God, so that they who have ears to hear, may hear, and live.
Amen.
Sincerely,
Clinton
I'm not even going to attempt to prove the Trinity here because many have already tried but instead I will say that you are making a point to base a lot of what you say off of the English when it is more accurate to use the Greek it was written in. I also think its worth mentioning that saying "dear sinner friend" is a bit hypocritical and also not to mention backhanded and passive aggressive but more importantly hypocritical because you and me and all the people here are sinners who are directly held accountable for the sins we commit against God, and I'm not just saying that to nit pick. Calling another person "sinner friend" is missing the entire point because we ourselves are sinners. I'm not gonna come back to this comment, but to quote from proverbs "a reproof entereth more into a wise man than a hundred stripes [lashes] into a fool" so don't just ignore reproofs and criticisms that people give but look inwardly and see if they have a point, view things from an objective perspective, throwing out all pre-conceived notions because we as Christians, knowing the faith to be true, ought to do so to see what the author intended to convey, whether or not its what we thought or if it makes sense. (I add the "it makes sense" part because a common objection to the Trinity is that it doesn't make sense and therefore its false, not saying you believe that or dont believe that but to base your theology on that would be foolish to say the least, an infinite God shouldn't make perfect sense because thats a key characteristic of God, that finite man cannot comprehend an infinite eternal Being so don't let that be the reason you believe or disbelieve the Trinity). Again, I am not coming back to this comment as I have other more important things that I must do and this is my brothers account, but I'd recommend reading proverbs because Trinitarian or not, you have on multiple occasions in this comment section came off as arrogant and self righteous and seeing that God hates those things above all else and since we as Christians love God and hate sin we should be constantly introspective and examine our motivations. Pride is a killer and as I am studying Proverbs I can safely say that Solomon in all his wisdom knew to drive it home that pride is BAD and you may not always notice it.
Greetings, my friend.
This is a Christian ministry.
Do you have a question regarding the word of God, and the gospel of Jesus Christ, that you may learn of him and be saved from your sins? If so, I am here to help you.
Sincerely,
Clinton
What do you make of Jesus’ claims to be eternal? That Christ existed in the beginning before his birth?
John 8:58
Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”
And John 1:1-5 where it is written Christ is with God during creation
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 He was with God in the beginning. 3 Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made. 4 In him was life, and that life was the light of all mankind. 5 The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness has not overcome it.
John 1:14 (confirmation the Word is the Son)
14 The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the one and only Son, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth.
And by pure accident (or providence?) I see John 1:18 suggesting the very principle of the trinity.
18 No one has ever seen God, but the one and only Son, who is himself God and is in closest relationship with the Father, has made him known.
These verses plainly disagree with the claim made in your video, that the Son was merely a man until God came into Him and then Made Him one with God. That is unless I have severely misunderstood your position, in which case please correct me.
Dear friend,
Respectfully...
1. Jesus never "claimed to be eternal"; and no man ever existed before he was formed in his mother's womb. The Almighty God is eternal, and he is the only one who is eternal. He spoke this to Moses at the bush (Exodus 3:14), and also to the Pharisees by the mouth of his Son Jesus (John 8:58).
The Son of God is a man, and is not eternal.
God is eternal; and he hath spoken unto us in these last days by his Son.
2. The book that you are quoting from is not God's word. The scripture does not say that there was any "He" that was with God in the beginning, or that God made anything "through" anyone else, or that the Word "became flesh".
In English, the word of God is preserved for us in the Holy Bible, King James Version.
Much of the reason that you are confused about who Jesus Christ is, is because you are reading from a false Bible which was written and is owned by antichrist men and women.
If you will get yourself a KJV Bible, and seek God with all your heart, you will see that there is a great difference between the book that you quoted from here, and God's holy word.
Amen.
You have no apostolic succession you are not in the lineage with the apostles.
Dear friend,
"Apostolic succession" is a Roman Catholic myth.
This is a Christian ministry.
Here, we believe and obey God's word, not the superstitions of Rome.
If you have a question about God's word, and would like to learn of the Lord Jesus Christ and his gospel, I am here to help you.
Sincerely,
Clinton
If you think you really got it, debate sam shamoun. You are wrong, and if you are right correct him and thousands so we may find the truth. Till then, you are wrong brother, may Jesus Christ through the holy spirit guide you to the Father, all 1 God
Dear friend,
The man you are speaking about is a notorious heretick, and Christians do not debate about God's word.
It is written of the wicked:
"Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, DEBATE, deceit, malignity; whisperers..."
Debates are meaningless displays of arrogance; and the notion that whoever wins a debate is speaking the truth, is absolute folly.
While the man that you speak of wastes precious time debating with other arrogant men, souls are perishing, including his own, and he is doing nothing about it.
Truth is not upheld by whether men agree with it or not. It is written, Yea, let God be true, and every man a liar.
Wisdom is justified by all her children.
Amen.
What about in early genesis where God says “ let us make man in *our* image”? This shows some sort of co-equality with something else which is only possible with another Godhead.
Thank you for asking about this, my friend.
th-cam.com/video/x8n79h_ZO8s/w-d-xo.html
@@TheWordprophet this was a very interesting and great video, but I have a few questions. How do you know that God was speaking to Jesus? I understand you mentioned the scripture where Jesus said that the Torah foretold of him, but how are you certain it was Jesus being addressed?
Also, regarding the word “our” in “let’s make man in our image”-doesn’t that imply some form of co-equality?
How does the Trinity not represent three separate gods? While the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are distinct, they aren’t separate in being or nature. They’re distinct persons who interact (e.g., the Son prays to the Father, and the Spirit proceeds from the Father and the Son), but they don’t act independently or exist apart from each other. How does this indicate they are separate beings?
Could you help me rationalize this? I’m not entirely sure about your position, as the Bible seems to indicate both co-equality and distinctiveness between the Father, Jesus, and the Holy Spirit. That said, I’m open to hearing more of your thoughts on this.
My friend,
With all due respect, I have spoken to you the word of God, and you are still replying with the words of Babylon.
Let us just speak what the Bible says, shall we?
If you have a question about what the Bible says, I will be happy to help you.
But I cannot help you with mythical sayings like "separate beings", "distinct persons", "co-equality", etc...those things have nothing to do with God's word or his church.
Sincerely,
Clinton
@@TheWordprophet OK. Sorry. Can I ask why you think God was talking to Jesus in Genisis 1:26. And does God using the word our simulate some sort of equality (I don't really know what you want me to say because you don't like the word) with another being?
@@TheWordprophet Mythical sayings? With all do respect I was simply inquiring of you. Am I not allowed to use those words around you? What do you want me to say In place of them. If we are talking about the subject of co-equality not existing with God then why can I not use those words?
You need to debate a trinitarian to prove your point.
Nay, my friend.
I am a Christian, and I speak the truth in Jesus' name.
The Lord said,
"Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned."
You either believe the word of God, and hear it when it is spoken to you, or you don't.
It is really just that simple.
Amen.
So do you believe that Jesus was born as a man without God in him but then received God and became one with him once he was baptised?
The Bible says that Jesus Christ is the Son of God, and that God anointed him with the Holy Ghost and power. That happened when he was 30 years old.
Mary is the mother of the Son of God.
She gave birth to a child, not to God.
God was never born, and has no mother.
Amen.
@@TheWordprophet So why then does Jesus say in John 17:5 "And now, O Father, glorify thou me with thine own self with the glory which I had with thee before the world was"?
And why also does the Father say in Hebrews 1:8-12: " But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God, even thy God, hath anointed thee with the oil of gladness above thy fellows. And, Thou, Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands: They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they all shall wax old as doth a garment; And as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall be changed: but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail"?
These resources will answer these questions for you, according to the word of God:
th-cam.com/video/w9L24lZj6Tc/w-d-xo.html
th-cam.com/video/qc86LW7s1CE/w-d-xo.html
@@TheWordprophet
Ok, allow me to address some of the things from the first video (the second video's too long; didn't watch it):
1.) You say that the KJV is the only word of God and all other translations are not. I agree with the latter part of the statement, but I don't really agree with the KJV being the word of God though.
The word of God is the Bible which was written down by the Hebrew prophets in Hebrew and by the apostles of Jesus in Greek. The only way to truly know the word is to know what the Bible says in the original languages it was written in; you're always going to get at least some ambiguity with translations.
2.) You say that the answer to John 17:5 is that God knew Jesus before the world was and in the same way, he knew you and me before the world was also. The problem is that neither you nor me glorify God. No man other than Jesus can say "glorify me so that I may glorify you" to the Father.
You mention Melchizedek later in the video, and argue that it's nonsensical to believe that he is the pre-existent Christ. I personally don't believe Melchizedek was the pre-existent Christ, but I do believe Jesus is present in the Old Testament.
I encourage you to read Genesis 16:7-16, where the angel of the LORD is called the LORD himself. I'll have a field day showing you that this angel is divine, but that he's not the Father. (please keep in mind that angel also means messenger instead of the heavenly creatures we ordinarily imagine)
Note: I'm not running from Hebrews 1:8, but that video is 37 minutes and it's not entirely on topic. Please type your responses so I don't have to dig through videos where go on about other unrelated stuff and just stay on topic.
Greetings, my friend.
This conversation is getting way too long for the comment forum. But if you have questions about the scripture, you are welcome to email me, and I will be happy to help you.
~Clinton
Question, what day do you congregate?
Greetings, my friend.
Christians generally gather together for fellowship and breaking of bread on the first day of the week, which is called the Lord's day (1 Corinthians 16:2, Acts 20:7, Revelation 1:10).
Christians also have no commandment from God to observe sabbath days after the manner of Moses.
If you wish to learn more about the sabbath days, and the weekly sabbath, here is a resource that will help you:
swordofthevaliant.com/2021/08/28/remember-the-sabbath-day-to-keep-it-holy/?format=pdf
Read john 1
Thank you, my friend. I love the book of John.
:)
Thank you for this video. It was nice to see you upload this on a special day for me. On September 11th 2018, six years ago, I came to know God. I was broken, and what I thought could be my last day ended up being the best day of my life. I'm thankful to have found your channel - it has blessed me, and i appreciate that you are still continuing.
Praise the Lord!!! Amen!!!
\o/\o/ !
Thank you for this comment, and I am so blessed to hear this of you; and I am here for you in the gospel of Jesus Christ our Lord.
~Bro. Clinton
@@TheWordprophet Thank you, brother Clinton. I wish i'd found your channel much sooner than i did. I went through many attempts of finding fellowship - going through different denominations, trying to find a community. Never did. Something was always off with the people in the churches. You have a good way with explaining complex things. But all things in due time. I appreciate what you do.
Also, i have uploaded a testimony video some years ago. If you would be blessed to see it, you can search "My testimony of coming to faith in the Lord Jesus Christ" uploaded by Deniz Sunay
Praise the Lord!
Hallelujah Praise the Lord Jesus Christ 🙌 I will always thank the Lord for this Ministry.. thank you brother Clinton for sharing the TRUTH with us.. Much love and Blessings to you and yours my brother ❤🙌
Lol it is interesting to see how the KJV-only cult branches out into many mini-cults. Free Grace, Lordship Salvation, this guy who denies Christ's divinity, etc.
Dear friend,
With all due respect (which you did not afford me), this is a Christian ministry.
It is not a free open forum for unlearned sinners who begin an oration with "Lol", to revile Christians and falsely accuse us of "denying Christ's divinity", or any of the other lies that you posted above.
If I may say so, you speak like a Baptist, not a Christian.
And also, you have had a TH-cam channel for well over a decade, and there is nothing on it.
If you were a Christian, you would be using what God has put into your hands to preach the gospel to the whole world, not wasting your precious borrowed time heckling men of God for preaching his word.
Woe unto you!
If peradventure there is any fear of God in you, and you might find it in you to repent of your wickedness and ask questions like a proper man, then I will be happy to impart unto you the word of life, and the way of salvation in Jesus Christ.
And if not, then again with all due respect, there is no good reason for you to be here.
Sincerely,
Clinton
@@TheWordprophet Worship Christ and not the religion! That's what I tell everybody. There are sadly too many people who rather worship the religion over Jesus Christ our lord and savior. I wish you nothing but best, God bless you!
2 Corinthians 3:14 --
"But their minds were blinded: for until this day remaineth the same vail untaken away in the reading of the old testament; which vail is done away in Christ." -- It is only taken away once you are with Christ. It is no good if this "Christ" you believe in isn't real. Other religions claim to believe in him too; JWs, mormons, even muhammadans and others! It will benefit nothing, if he is not the son of God. The veil will remain.
It's also interesting to see how you somehow find it amusing that, from your perspective, people are in the wrong, and perishing. Search your heart - it should never be a "lol moment" to see someone astray. Do substantiate yourself more next time. This feels like mere mockery, rather than constructive conversation.
Scriptures PROVE no trinity. Genesis, Man made in the image of God. "Old Testament". Last time I was counted in church, I equaled 1, Proof no trinity.
My apologies...I just sent you a reply to this comment which was meant for someone else, so I deleted it...
~Bro. Clinton
@@TheWordprophet 😁🙃🤩😇
Amen. The Trinity is manmade nonsense.
Praise the one true God the father Yah and his true son Jesus!