The ORIGINAL THEATRICAL version of Empire Strikes Back is here! - Project 4K80
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4K80 is a fan made project. They essentially took an original 1980 35mm film reel of Star Wars The Empire Strikes Back, scanned it at 4k, cleaned it up at 4k, and rendered it at 4k. This is now the definitive theatrical version of Empire Strikes Back.
In this video I go over my thoughts on the project, and give some more context about it.
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Ian McDiarmid being added to Empire was done LONG before Disney acquired the franchise. It was a change Lucas himself made for continuity reasons
correct, Disney just destroys Star Wars, they don't make it better.
Yeah, 1990s CGI really makes the previously incoherent plot of the original trilogy whole by covering up those confusing puppets and models. It isn’t distracting at all seeing it in movies made 20 years beforehand
Indeed and it never needed to be done either.
@@georgemorley1029yes it did lol
McDiarmid.*
The original emperor actor was a woman - Marjorie Eaton, while the voiceover was done by Clive Revill, who went in to do VO in a few star wars games.
ooh shit, I actually literally never knew this.
PALPATINE TRANS!
@@SilverSpoon_ DON'T GIVE DISNEY IDEAS 😫!!!!!!
The 1980 Emperor looks like if the more recent one stuck his head in a bee hive
as a kid I was confused because I noticed a lot of new stuff when I watched the films again. It totally makes sense now because I definitely watched the original version when I first watched them
The no re-edits is what I most like.
Exactly. It’s like these filmmakers - and not just Star Wars - are trying to gaslight us. Since I was just a kid for Star Wars up to a young teen, sometimes I wonder if I am just remembering wrongly. I even went to the OT re-releases in ‘97 etc, so in some ways I really start to question myself about what was true to the original theatrical versions. Some things I like better from the original, some from later. Some because of how it looks, some because of how it moves the story.
George was always tinkering. There were changes between the initial limited 70mm release and the later 35mm release in '77.
Why do you call it "Disney version"? Lucas's 2004 modification has nothing to do with Disney.
It’s just to illustrate the difference between the theatrical cut from 1980 and the most recent Disney + 2019 version. Just to show the passage of time. It goes more in depth on the different versions in the video.
@@EvansMedia99 yeah, I watched the video, still I think it's a clickbait index picture. :P If you mention Disney, more haters will click on it.
Anyways, the video itself is alright. ;)
@EvansMedia99 I have to agree with the other person. To use Emporer Palpatine and the two different actors who portrayed him in Empire Strikes Back and say Disney vs Theaterical Release is click bait for those that don't like Disney.
Lucas himself was responsible for switching out the actors not Disney.
@@Varga_CsongorI think it’s an attempt to make people hate Disney rather than hate George, who is the actual reason why fans have to make fan edits of Star Wars in the first place.
I don’t care for Disney or Lucas. However Lucas is my best friend compared to Disney lol
I still have my VHS tapes of the original trilogy-been waiting for its release on DVD for time time now.
The original un-cut unedited are on the original DVD releases. Widescreen in 4/3 aspect ration tho.
Save those. You will be a Godhead in the times after the Great Unhappening.
VHS tape deteriorate
If you value your stuff PLEASE digitalize it and preserve then in SSD disks
Had checked a month ago but thanks for update 4k80 . I watch 4k77 & 4k83 regularly. Have the old vhs, dvd & BR & 4K releases but the original takes me back to initial shows back in May 1977😊😊😊
I look forward to "watching it at my friend's house" after 4K77 and 83. I've got to say that 4K77 with both DNR and without is gorgeous.
I was born in 82. I always remembered how enigmatic the theatrical version looked. (Oops wrong thread)
4K80 is a different experience. It does feel like you've punched May 6 1980 into your BTTF DeLorean to see the original release.
Couldn’t agree more!
.... But Empire wasn't released until May 21, 1980, so you wouldn't have experienced anything if you went back to May 6, 1980
This stuff is wild. I really appreciate you making this. :D
No problem, thank you for watching!
I couldn’t get into the forum to dl, you need to be recommended a code ?…fortunately found them elsewhere 😅
@@echosun79please share 😊
@@UtotheGLY they’re easily found 👍
I've always been worried that Lucas destroyed the original prints. Kind of like he did with all existing prints and copies of the Holiday Special. When he dislikes something he can go full armeggedon on it.
He didn't destroy the Holiday Special. Carrie Fisher once remarked that she asked and received a copy from Lucas as a joke to get people to clear out of a party once it had gone on too long.
The Boba Fett cartoon was also on the bluray, so Lucasfilm does have it.
I had been keeping up with the 4K80 beta releases but life happens and I didn't know 4K80 1.0 had been released. Thank you!
I saw Empire when it came out, and that's the version I remember and love best. I look forward to this!
Nice! You’ll definitely enjoy this.
It is the best. In fact 4K77, 4K80, and 4K83 are now the best versions of this films.
I agree but the originals are pretty bad with the special effects
Really bad actually
@@Pdx616 I'm 56 and I remember watching these films in theaters when I was 9, 11, and 14 respectively. The Original film STAR WARS had a theatrical run that lasted more than a year! I waited outside the theater for an entire showing to see the next showing of the film. It was completely nuts. I feel kinda sorry for people who will never be able to experience these films as I did when they were originally released. For me, when I re-screen STAR WARS - it transports me back to 1977 and the first time I (or anyone) saw such an incredible movie. Re-living the powerful memories are more intense than the Special Effects.
Hahaha. I’m right w you ole timer. Also saw at 9 in 77. Then got the action figures, the lunch pail, the comics, the T-shirt, the PJs, the poster, the story book album, the Meco 45…good grief it was manic SW fever at the time. Great memories 😊
The reason Disney doesn't release them is because they are legally bound not to. It was part of the contract with Lucas when they bought Lucasfilm. It's Lucas who is holding these back, not Disney.
Lucas won’t ever allow to release Star Wars in pure. He rather destroy it.
@@stevemuzak8526 George Lucas, the Eternal Boomer
Finally all 3. History has been preserved. The people have won.
Thank you so much for alerting me to the existence of these fan restorations (preservations?). Have a great weekend
No problem, thank you for watching!
Thank you so much for this info! Just got a new 2K curved monitor and looking forward to what this will look like on it!
Hope you enjoy it!
All I can say is, awesome! Thanks for your review!
Thank you so much!
Thank you for this - I'm getting all 3 now!
Disney would make a killing if they released the Star Wars theatrical cut on 5/25/27. I know they won't though as George has stated, "sorry if you fell in love with an incomplete film". He said going forward the so called Special Editions, are the official versions of all 3 films now. I own the Grindhouse versions which I love the most. Has all of the grain and imperfections since they are actually scanned from original 35mm prints.
They wouldn't make a killing releasing physical media films that are already free on Disney plus and old
@@Darth_BNT I am referring to a release in the theaters.
>Pays for Disney Plus
>Claims content on it is "free"
Lmao
@@Darth_BNT
@@Darth_BNT If DIsney put the 4k77, 4k83 and 4k80 versions out as physical media in that quality level there would be premium demand that would be large in volume and very PROFITABLE with LONG legs.
D+ does not have the near level of visual quality ( due to compression algorithms ) or audio quality as a baseline and is not using a master of the quality of the $K..oops, 4k project stuff. yes SW is old, but those fans of old SW have money. Why would anyone that can afford good or even best quality in home star wars viewing settle for or be happy with a sub-par D+ experience?
Got my copy of 4K80. Can't wait to watch it. Loved the project 4k versions of Star Wars and RotJ.
If you enjoyed 77 and 83 you’ll love 4k80!
The original Emperor was fkd up looking lol
When I saw it on VHS on CRT I never noticed it. The quality was probably too poor. Sounds like a bad thing, but really I don't see any need for people to watch anything beyond standard definition. It's just a waste of bandwidth and storage space. (Granted even in a standard definition format the details would still be very noticeable; I'm making two separate statements)
I can't recall what the video quality looked like on old TVs that only did 480p. Playing DVDs still look fine on modern TVs.
The original Emporer was played by a woman, Marjorie Eaton, and had the eyes of a chimpanzee superimposed over her own.
Thanks for the info. I just got 77 and 83, but 80 wasn't out, but must have come out a few weeks after I got the first two, and I had no idea!!
Nice, glad it was helpful!
Thanks for letting me know. I've been hovering around the Star Wars Trilogy forums since they only had Star Wars 4K77, yearning to complete the trilogy. The wait between SW and ROTJ wasn't very long, but the wait for TESB... I never thought I'd live to see the day. Any change to a film that you've seen hundreds of times before they start changing it hits like a commercial break, draws you out of the experience.
I was most annoyed by changes to The Empire Strikes Back over any of the films, because I always thought that film was perfect. The Wampa scene was made less scary (almost amusing actually), shots flying around the exterior of Cloud City didn't fit stylistically into the rest of film, and the apparent need to show Vader landing on the Star Destroyer screws with the pace of the film.
Glad I could help! I check the forums every once in a while and I got lucky, I saw they dropped 4k80 v1 a few days after it released.
I agree though. I grew up with the special editions but as a big film guy I appreciate film preservation. I always love seeing films the way audiences originally saw them. In the case of Star Wars seeing these 4k projects makes me feel like I’m back there in 1977, 80, and 83 watching these when they first released. Love them so much.
@@EvansMedia99 It's encouraging to know that there are younger film purists than I.
May the force be with you.
The new Emperor was put in before Disney. I think for the first Blu release.
He was added on the special editions, he was on at LEAST the DVD versions of the re-edit, but I don't remember if it was before that. I know the original got a theatrical re-releases before Phantom Menace came out (and I THINK that was the debut of the re-edits)
I just got the 2006 release set, and the nostalgia was real
All special edition changes aside. I agree with you, I don’t know who in quality control thought it was a good idea to add a blue overlay in ANH, ESB and ROTJ (in the 2004/2011 versions). It makes the colors look completely washed out. Thankfully someone in quality control realized their mistake and erased that overlay and in the current 2019 versions, the colors look so much more vibrant.
Oh for sure. There ware a few more changes especially in a new hope for the 2019 Disney release but honestly the fact that the color grading is the closest official HD release to the theatrical versions makes it (in my opinion) the best official option
Its 2024 and they still didn't officially release the original versions of the trilogy. I still have my tv vhs recordings from the early '90s but Disney needs to release them if they want to make some easy money.
Oh it would be such an easy cash grab for sure. But I’m pretty sure there’s some sort of term in the contract when they bought Lucasfilm that they could only release the special edition.
@@EvansMedia99 Lucas probably didn't give them the original versions.
Original emperor was presented in a low-res, blurry manner, that made it eery and mysterious. The new emperor is crisp and clean, like staring at my cellphone screen.
Great video man, but there's just a problem with the thumbnail. Ian McDiarmid wasn't added to ESB in the Disney version, that change was in the 2004 dvd. Long before Disney purchased Lucasfilm
does it have original audio? ie mono/stereo or is it surround sound?
Yea so there are multiple different audio tracks that come included.
There’s a 35mm mix that’s sourced from the laser disc
“70mm magnetic sound” not sure what that is though
35mm optical stereo
And a 6 track reconstruction from the 70mm release.
Hope that helps! I have a 5.1 speaker setup and just watched it on the default 35mm laser disc sourced track and it sounded amazing. It only used the main soundbar, and not my other surround speakers but it sounded great to me.
@@EvansMedia99 70mm Magnetic is when the audio tracks were recorded on a magnetic coating on the 70mm film rather than encoded optically alongside the image. Quite a few of the big epics in the 1950s like Ben Hur used that system for multichannel sound, it had extremely high fidelity so when you see those films remastered on BluRay they sound superb. Some later releases had prints done with the same system eg 2001 A Space Odyssey.
Wanting to remove film grain is way worse sin than adding cgi.
That’s crazy. I can’t watch old movies with film grain.
It's just as bad.
For real, it's like removing the hiss and pops from playing a record.
It for sure is if your claim is, "I want to see it the original way." Most of the time people don't know what they want until they've been told
@@wesleytwiggs7687that's fine just don't call yourself a purist. Which you shouldn't want to do anyway purists are generally insufferable😂
So how do I get an invitation code to the forum?
I don't mind the Special Editions as much (other than Han shooting first which is the only change that actually changes the story) but I'm super glad these exist. In my perfect world, we'd get an OT set like the Blade Runner Final Cut release that had 5 versions of the film including the final cut itself. I think trying to pretend the originals never existed is a bit too much like rewriting history; those movies are an important achievement in the history of film, and should be evaluated as such in their original state.
That being said, what's with the "Original vs Disney" thing on the thumbnail? Clickbait much? Disney gets enough hate from SW fans (a lot deserved, a lot not) without getting blamed for something that has nothing to do with them. "Original vs SE" would have been fine.
This is George's issue, and his alone. Which, well, they're his films... it'd be much worse IMHO if Disney *had* been the ones to make the changes and suppressed the unaltered versions. Not that I agree with Lucas doing it either.
"You should own this film legally before you download this, or it could be considered piracy."
OH NO! Anyway...
OH NO. I might anger the evil mouse
disney has enough money
Keep the true OT alive! Thanks for this.
I do not see a way to download and watch this on the website from the link you provided...
More accurate thumbnail would be, "Theatrical vs. Mid-Life Crisis Lucas Version". Disney was not involved with any of these changes, these were all Lucas 100%. South Park made fun of a lot of the early changes back in 2002 with episode Free Hat lmao. George kept doing these asinine changes until he sold Star Wars to Disney.
Alfred Hitchcock once observed that "films are never finished, they're simply abandoned."
As a semi-pro filmmaker, I can (to my own annoyance) attest to this.
The difference is that Lucas has the fiscal wherewithal to NOT have abandoned them, *even after releasing them to theatres.* Most (but not all) of the changes he made, I find I rather like. If the technology had been available when he was making the original films, you can bet your firstborn that he would have used them, and purists wouldn't have nearly as much stuff to squawk and yammer about.
I was a whole lot less confused when I finally saw X-wings visibly lifting off, turning and accelerating into the distance, but I think I had a nerdgasm when I saw a head bobbing around inside one of them as it flew past camera. I even think it would have been better to have the Biggs scenes left in.
But Han shot first.
@stevejordan7275 the problem isn't that he made changes, it's that the originals aren't accessible anymore.
The Emperor scene is the one change I’m glad George Lucas made
Good info, thanks.
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you very much.
But where can i find 4k copies of the television premiers with commercial breaks that i grew up with on VHS?
My preference is the D+77, 80, and 83 hybrid versions. It takes the 4K blu-rays and replaces all the cg additions with footage from the original film prints and color corrects them. You get less grain, higher fine detail, accurate colors, theatrical audio, and keeps the actual good fixes from the blu-rays that don't change anything. These are the best current option imo if you're not a total purist.
That’s totally valid. I tried out the D+80 version of empire strikes back probably about a year ago and until 4k80 came out it was my go to method of watching that movie. I just personally felt some shots looked really glossy. That’s why I like the grain so much, because you keep all that detail. But to each their own, I’m glad you have a version you love!
@@EvansMedia99 I'm just glad we have some options now. It was rough for awhile, lol
Lucas did this because he wanted the og movies to be on par with the prequels so they wouldn't look out of place and to re add removed content like jabba the Hutt in the 4th movie
a 480p dvd will always look better than a compressed and artifacted stream imho
Just watched 4k80 , thanks to StarWarTriology labor of love . Great to see the original again
I literally own Empire Strikes Back like 10 times VHS, DVDs, and Blueray
Why does the thumbnail say that the Special Edition is the "Disney Version"?
Because that version is the most recent 2019 version of empire strikes back, made under Disney.
@EvansMedia99 but Lucas put Ian McDiarmid and other changes in Empire. Using "Disney" in the thumbnail provokes a reaction.
@@dancouroux8490 Only clicked on this video to say this. Quite misleading.
I agree with you guys, very misleading. The thumbnail almost implies that Disney introduced McDiarmid.
@@greedokenobi3855 yeah, somebody's agenda is showing
How much difference between this & Harmy's Despecialized Edition is it? I have each if the 1st 3 in that format.
Harmys version is sorta a hodgepodge if you will of the official blu ray, dvd, vhs and laser disc. Basically he took all these different releases/versions to edit together a replica of the theatrical versions. But there imperfect. Definitely better than nothing though.
The 4k projects take actual 35mm film reels that would have gone out to theaters. They scanned them at 4k, cleaned them up at 4k, and rendered them at 4k. So it’s the most authentic version of these movies while also being in the highest quality possible.
I mean no disrespect to Harmy, what he did was revolutionary and paved the way for the 4k projects. But the 4k projects are simply better for authenticity and quality.
@@EvansMedia99 Hey, thanks for ur answer! I appreciate ur feedback. I'm gonna check this version out!
Have a great night ;-)
@@EvansMedia99 Agreed. ;) Though, for Return of the Jedi v3.0 (and 3.1), I used the 4K Blu-Ray and 4K83 to remove all changes, so it's a good alternative for those wanting a more "remastered" experience of the original version and I'm working on doing the same for Star Wars and Empire. But at this point, I would totally agree that 4K77 and 4K80 are better in pretty much every way than the current versions of Despecialized.
Love your work Harmy!
@@HarmyDespecialized Just curious, do you prefer watching the DNR versions of 4K77, 4K80 and 4K83, or prefer No-DNR?
Ah, it's encouraging to hear that good quality rips can still be made, I had heard it was impossible since the original prints were destroyed by George Lucas, and he had a contract with FOX stating that any remaining reels of film were to be tracked down and destroyed as well.
I actually spent quite a bit of money tracking down dvd copies of the special edition that had the original theatrical version as bonus features, my THX VHS Copies are probably no good anymore and I don't have a working VCR anymore anyway. I was considering trying to buy one of the laserdisk prints, but I kind of don't want to buy a laserdisk projector just to watch three movies.
I’ve never actually seen a movie played off laser disc but I’ve heard the quality’s actually really good for the time. But I’ve also heard collecting laser discs can get super expensive depending on the movies, and that’s not even counting the player itself.
It may be a little difficult to get your hands on depending on your computer skills but I’m just glad that we have this 4k version now. As long as you have the storage, a device powerful enough to play it, and a nice tv your golden!
@@EvansMedia99laserdisc basically looks like dvd quality but can only output composite video.
And generally used older masters/scans of movies so apart from the late 90s, LDs often aren't using as good of a source that the movie has today.
George Lucas’ legacy is that of a gatekeeper who has forced fans of his series to take matters into their own hands so that they can watch the version of the films that they want to watch. His attitude towards the OT has really made me dislike him.
Yeah. Whatever positive reception the fandom menace gave him after TLJ is not gonna rid him of past sins.
@@johncaulfield8935people whine and complain about the Disney sequels, for good reasons, but have they heard about Lucas’ vision for the sequels? Apparently, he wanted the entire 8th movie to be set in a microscopic world focusing on Midichlorians. Not sure about you, but I would have hated that. That would have been the final nail in the coffin for Lucas for me.
I mean, they HIS films.
@@azimuddin1890 They were never his films. They were the films of every single person that worked on them.
@@johncaulfield8935
George created Star Wars, the films were of course made by a team to execute his vision.
These are great. But 35mm is equivalent closer to 6.5 to 8K. Though those file sizes would be massive.
Why wouldn’t you upload this in 4K?!
Any ideas on 4K77, 80, and 83 available online?
Not sure if this answers your question, but I did make a video on both 4k77 and 83 a while ago. But honestly those videos don’t hold up, the production quality wasn’t great.
The tldr is both 4k77 and 83 are amazing. A new hope and return of the Jedi had even more changed made to them after the theatrical release than empire strikes back. So those 2 are even cooler to watch. The restoration process is exactly the same as 4k80. And the download is the same process, just go to the 4k website listed in the discussion of this video and then click the forums tab. That’ll have everything you need.
@@EvansMedia99 Its not the cringe "New Hope"...Its just "Star Wars".
@@EvansMedia99 Can I get these on blu ray?
It says we need an invitation code from a member to join the forum...@@EvansMedia99
I was on mushrooms one time and thought it'd be fun to rewatch A New Hope for some comfy nostalgia. Unfortunately for me it was riddled with the special edition alterations and it totally sent me into a bad trip. This and the de-specialization editions are godsends.
Guess you shouldn't take mind altering substances.
I'll be honest, I was happy to see that we finally had the Emperor we all know added into Empire Strikes Back as the character was originally played by a woman with male voice. However, I think Disney could have done a better job as it did look out of place.
I agree for continuity sake for sure. But for me it’s about preservation. I have no issue at all with the special edition(s) and their existence, but I also want to have access to the original version. In a perfect world we’d have official access to all the different versions in high definition.
Yes, Coppola’s approach is what I wish Lucas would follow. The 4k set of Apocalypse Now has all three cuts, on both 4k and blu-ray. It also has the Hearts of Darkness documentary and seemingly all the precious format’s bonus features. We should be able to buy a set like that for each Star Wars original trilogy film.
@@eric_stroud_drums8454 exactly. Hell there’s a Blade Runner blu ray box set with like 5 cuts of the movie. Why can’t we have that with Star Wars lol
James Rolfe had an idea a while back where you can pick what changes you want and what to leave out
Lucas put the (Mandela effect) Ian McDiarmid emperor for the Special Editions release in January thru March 1997(Mandela Effect).
Stop blaming Di$ney for no ‘ffing reason. Lucas also has said that the Originals will not be released. I don’t believe it, you shouldn’t either. I hate to say it, but when Uncle George Passes, Disney will probably release the 4K 3 months after. No way Di$ney would ever agree to never ever release the originals. The money alone that could be made… would make any company 9 billion dollars richer. Ok, maybe not 9 billion. But you get where i am going with that. MONEY, MONEY, MONEY…. We know that is all that they crave….
Remember, Lucas made changes to “Star Wars” out of spite for his ex-wife Marcia Lucas. She cheated on him, he didn’t want her making anymore money off her infidelity to him. That’s the basic gist of how the Special Editions came about. I believe his former producer Rick McCallum suggested Lucas “fix” all three to his liking….
if only they'd be giving us the theatrical cuts for this re-release at the theaters this upcoming May 4th. I wish they would do theatrical re-releases of at least the original episodes 4-7 every 10 years, as that would be really cool.
I know of a local independent theater showing A New Hope on May 4. I was told they had very strict agreements on what they could show and had to use what Disney provided.
So even if someone had access to a 35mm print, they couldn't show that publicly.
I think Empire was the best of the updated Original Trilogy. Featuring the actual Emporer makes more sense, the cave monster works better, Cloud City looks better aswell.
It's not like the other two where the extra stuff detracts from the film.
Was it the Special Edition where they went back and scanned in the original, individual elements for certain shots and then composited them digitally? I seem to remember they couldn’t find everything, but it really cleaned up certain shots like Hoth and Cloud City where the optical printing border was very noticeable.
This looks amazing! Sorry to spam but would you be up for collaborating?
i don't want to download, is there no strream for this?
First of all, I’m impressed. Also, there’s some videos about Project 4K99 / Episode I. Will you talk about it? Cheers!
thank you! and yes i have heard of 4k99, wasn’t sure what the status on that project was though. i’ll look into the forums later today and take a look at it! if it’s available for download ill absolutely make a video about it.
Your video poped up in my feed so thanks to you i managed to get all 3 in 4k, huge amaount of space, almost 300 GB
Any invite codes? One in the description doesn't work
I recently watched a despecialized edition it was titled Despecialized Edition 2.0. a version which I hadn't seen in almost 30 years since watching my betamax tapes.
Does anyone know how similar the version I saw is to this project 4k80 version?
Wait why would we want the film grain removed?
I have seen 4k77 and 4k83 with no DNR in 1080p and even that is a HUGE upgrade from the laserdisc and VHS originals. I used to have captures of the laserdisc releases that I would watch over anything, the original laserdisc was actually better than the dvd release. The remasters stuff is just wrong. Still havent seen 4k80 yet, but i will soon.
As an indie filmmaker, those file sizes seem totally wrong. The 4k seems right but there's no reason why a 1080 file should only be like 15gb smaller. The resolution is substantially smaller and so the file should be too.
Curious how they exported this.
I own several versions of VHS box-sets, I guess I'm legally covered. And I will be recording those projects on VHS as well, not for sale obviosuly.
I think the change was understandable, especially considering that Ian McDiarmid became the face of the Emperor in Return of the Jedi along with the prequel trilogy. I am sure Lucas had to update the storyline has as time went by, especially when doing the prquel trilogy along woth tbe clone wars series. Also the Star Wars saga got even more complex after Disney took over. Some changes were probably needed as the story evolved, such as revising Palpatine's image In Empire Strikes back
"Some may not like grain"? What a strange thing to say...
@@SomeCrap 👏 👏
Yeah there are people who don’t like grain in video. Even the Blu-ray’s and DVDs of Dragon Ball Z are all terrible looking cuz of the lack of grain
weird how some people don't like their movies half decomposed... quite odd
@@SuperM789 Nothing to do with decomposed film. Film grain.
@@SuperM789 film grain doesn’t mean it’s decomposed
Don’t blame Disney for the retcon stuff. That was all George Lucas. Disney had nothing to do with any of that.
This doesn't change the fact that Disney are dicks.
Did the VHS set of the original trilogy use the theatrical versions of the films? Those were the ones i watched as a kid in the 2000’s but i don’t remember the emperor looking different lol.
If I remember correctly there were 2 versions of the vhs box set. One of which yes, was the theatrical version. But the 90s special edition was also on vhs. So you either saw the theatrical or 90s special edition.
@@EvansMedia99 ill have to go digging through his stuff to find the box set and find out lol! Thanks for the info
The new emperor was introduced in the 2004 dvd set.
So it would have been the original scene no matter what if you watched it on vhs.
So how can we get these on blu ray??
You’d have to do it yourself. (Burn the file onto a disc) Because the team that made this project can’t legally sell it in any way, that’s why the digital download is free. So I highly doubt they’ll make a blu ray release. And if you see one one eBay, don’t buy it. You’re just paying some random person who downloaded it to burn it onto a disc. But if you have a burner I suppose you could just make your own copy.
Grain is integral to how it should be watched.
I agree!
Any plans for them to make a physical release?
Most likely not. If they were to sell a 4k UHD or blu ray release of the film, that would definitely be considered profiting off of media that’s technically “pirated.” Which reminds me, if you see any of these de-specialized versions on blu ray on like eBay or something, DO NOT BUY THEM. You’re just paying some a hole to burn the file onto a disc and sell it to you. None of the money would go towards the people who made 4k80 or whatever other project.
@@EvansMedia99 i already have the de specialized versions, im not giving Disney any of my money, i just learned about this particular thing today
they will not do it because disney would take them to court, maybe in a few decades we will finally get an official release of the theatrical version that we always wanted
Not long ago I bought a recent Blade Runner re-release. It's teal and orange now. Completely different colors. Also much darker too. I returned it. I hope more movies will get the same love these star wars re-releases got.
Oh that’s good to know, was that the standard 4k blu ray version of Blade Runner?
@@EvansMedia99 I am no longer sure which one I got as there are several versions, but I have the DVD from the early 2000s and that has completely different colors. The one I got recently was 4KBD and it was significantly more green/teal. I found it horrible. I think it was the "final cut" but I'm not sure.
@@Wes12940the final cut had a modern color grade. The archival versions are supposed to be accurate to their theatrical presentation.
I still have my special edition VHS
I wonder if Disney has the original movies at all. No one knows what George Lucas put in that contract.
Oh they 100% do. I read that over the years Disney/Lucasfilm have been digitally scanning all there old film reels of anything and everything they’ve ever produced, this definitely incudes the old Star Wars film reels. Disney has even used very short clip(s) from there A New Hope scan in a documentary on Disney plus, I wanna say it was the ILM documentary. But I think George had it in his contract that they wouldn’t get released to the public.
I FCKIN LOVE FILM GRAIN
Great that people are doing this. So much better before Lucas started fiddling with the masterpieces
Does the Return of the Jedi inculde the extended pit scenes with Luke holding onto the pit gate.
I believe so but don’t quote me on that it’s been a while since I’ve sat down and watched it.
The vocal fry is strong with this one
Does any other universe like harry potter or LOTR have altered versions? Or is it only star wars that has done these kind of changes?
Jackson's LOTR had a theatrical cut and a much longer director's cut for each film. And then of course there are movies that get censored in some countries, like the Friday the 13th series.
Lots of movies have slightly different versions, usually due to stuff beyond the director's control. But for Star Wars, a change really rocks the boat, since it's a "word of god" change to a canon that many people are super attached to.
Blade runner is the king of altered versions...
@@Dreadpirateflappy tell me more
@@Dreadpirateflappymany movies have alternate versions but I can't think of a series as massively popular, drastically altered with the earlier versions (the ones that won oscars and were widely circulated in theaters) out of print and never made available in HD.
Blade Runner doesn't even have that many differences between its versions. The movie Ridley Scott made afterward (Legend) has way more differences between the two cuts released theatrically and the current directors cut that was actually finished first and used for test screenings, but never released until dvd.
What do you think about 4K83 2.0?
Maybe I’m on the wrong side of the argument, but I prefer the special editions. I confess that I grew up with the changed versions, but I prefer them a little more. Little things like deleted scenes, digitally enhanced shots, the Stormtrooper making a noise when he bumps his head, and Palpatine in Empire played by Ian MacDiarmid. It adds an extra degree of continuity and I like them more as an overall package.
Yeah, around these parts you’ll be on the wrong side of the argument. It’s about
1. Film preservation
2. Allowing viewers to watch the version of the film that they want to watch
3. Understanding that these are films made in the 70s and 80s that didn’t need to have CGI smattered all over them
Actually it's fine to like the newer versions. What made people so upset is that the original versions that were widely released, won oscars and beloved for 20 years, were no longer made accesible to the public.
Fantastic transfer, just got done watching it today, couldn’t be more happier. Although, I do question why Vader’s lightsaber has a pinkish look to it? Yes I understand this print is pretty beat up, but still, why is it pink instead of Red? I’m not being rude or anything, I just want to know why it looks pink instead of Red. But to be fair, when Lucusfilm remastered the print in 1993 for the Definitive Edition on Laserdisc (which was done in order to not only cash in on the last release of the original theatrical versions on home media, but to be used for the 97 Special Edition edits) Vader’s lightsaber has a pink look to it. So I don’t know if Vader’s lightsaber looked like that in the 1980 theatrical print or not. Just curious.
They should do a "De-make" of the prequel trilogy and use CG to remove effeccts and match the old colors.
I hope they do this for the prequels
That one is easy. Just press DELETE.
Only phantom menace was shot on 35mm. Clones was shot on 1080p (not joking) and ROTS was shot at 2K.
Are we sure that the colours haven't faded in the years since?
ahhh the Clive Revill Emperor.
I really don't like the CGI band scene in Jabba's palace in the newer versions. I just like it how it was originally. They completely changed the song and put in a strange CGI version of the singer that just isn't right.
I own the trilogy on vhs does that count?
When using a VPN is it best to set it to a certain country?
I don’t think the country matters, but I would recommend using a peer to peer specific server. That’s what I did, I used the fastest available peer to peer server on nord vpn and it worked like a charm.
i remember watching the first version as a kid, and indeed Palpatine was scarier with that weird alien-esue face, it's not kidding. The reedit of the trilogy was made to fit with the prequel and all the disney bullshit that came after.
True, from a continuity standpoint that makes total sense. I just wish both versions were officially available in 4k or HD. Just from a historical preservation standpoint.
I was a kid when I saw this in the theater and thought he was one weird-looking dude. Looks kind of like the faces in Picasso's cubist paintings.
Where's the download link?
These and Harmy's despecialized are the definitive SW versions of the first trilogy