Can't get enough of this stuff! Ken, You really make us feel as if we are a part of this whole adventure. It's a lot of effort on your part, but I truly appreciate it.
@@DetroitMicroSound Agreed. That family is full of very hard working, talented, patriotic, humble, beautiful human beings. Ken and His Son can ride their asses off. I don't think that a motorcycle exists that they can't ride well.
@@sonnyseabury4051 Always something exciting going on!!! I love all this stuff just like they do. Ya feel like family, even when ya don't really know folks that well. I wish more folks in our country could find common ground, like we have.
In 2-stroke snowmobiles they often have a engine output of 80 hp at per cylinder and 400cc. Thats incredible numbers as it also have good durability and fuel economy. It would be a interesting project to convert a snowmobile cylinder to a mx engine. Imagine 80 hp on a dirtbike without any extra weight.
Being setup for enduro riding, I think it’s safe to say that the Maico engine is a very conservative and docile two stroke for it’s size. I’m sure if the engine was setup for racing (more aggressive ignition, larger porting, higher comp ratio, and higher revving, I could easily see it putting out 90hp at the crank. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone’s done it already. Not a two stroke, but another example of a large, yet modestly powered engine, would be the Raptor 700. It makes less power than the YFZ450, but still wins due to torque.
Bigger displacement single cylinder 2-strokes are different than smaller engines. They can’t put out same horsepower anymore because port size is limited. And have bad fuel economy too. But idea with big 2-strokes are light and they beat 4-stroke bikes when talking about hp, torq and weight. That’s why 700cc is amazing bike but it’s not really reliable and fuel consumption is really bad.😂 BTW I live in Finland and i have 2020 Maico 700cc and 99 cr 500. Fuel consumption and shaking of 700cc are downsides of that bike.
I love the dyno videos guys. Love the jetting talk and the sniffer is the ultimate tool for tuning bikes. I wish I could bring in my 300 and have Wiz/manic mechanic tune mine to perfection.
great work guys, just found this place about a month ago....used to ride a yammy it 175 back in the 80s street legal and it was a blast....been thinking about getting another bike lately, and this channel has really ruint me now for good ! lol im 58 years young and am looking for another set of dirt wheels f or sure...thanks again for the joy you guys are spreading!
Thanks for doing this series, Ken, on a bike most will never get to see in person. This is great and your enthusiasm is just the ticket! I think we were all rooting this bike on for a higher number however the torque output is shear foundation crumbling in itself. As Carroll Shelby once said, “Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.” I hope you continue your content on this bike as it is getting a lot interest around and you are giving us an in depth / real world look into a bike that is super intriguing and you cannot find much about. It sounds like it is de-tuned. A suggestion would be to do a future series on bumping up the HP up and unleashing its full potential. Putting a bigger carb on would be very interesting to see, do the porting you talked about. Don't know anything about that muffler but maybe something more opened up. See about getting that HP number up to what the current crank output is. Either way, keep up the great content on a seriously cool bike!! ;-)
I think those mods you mentioned will improve it but the pipe is holding down the hp. A drag style expansion chamber for that monster would be massive and wouldn't really fit for Enduro or moto riding.
I myself am a long time enthusiast of European open class bikes long before I could even afford them. The largest displacement I ever owned was a two-stroke 550 KTM but the numbers that this thing produced doesn’t surprise me at all . I am rather shocked 😱when he said a Bing carburetor would actually make it run better. Which back in the day that’s what came stock on a Maico
Yeah...I figured around 70 hp to the crank and that's with it jetted and timed perfectly and a pipe...they say 75 from factory...there is no way ....it's probably about 63 or so factory pipe and all...yes it's still a beast...there is no doubt it has the torque and hp..but they are never what they rate them at...great video and awesome content...keep them coming...you guys have one of the best jobs in the world...keep on keeping on....
Torque is where it's all at. 250's will give a 500 a good drag race but when it comes to a long loose monster hill climb, that same 250 would grind to a stop while the 500 is pulling 3rd gear to the top. That's where this 700 would really shine. 💯
Even better to see the numbers compared side by side! Like I said, these engines have so much more to give! People don't realize once you go above 250cc's in a 2 stroke, you run into problems from a mechanical engineering perspective. 500's have to overcome a lot of problems, and lord only know how hard it is to engineer a 700cc single with a piston that has the size and inertia of a paint can, has to be reliable, and not shake itself to bits! Why am I telling you, you already know all this stuff Hoss. In all seriousness the fact you're at 60rwhp, and almost 50tq on all stock/factory form is insane!! I can only imagine what you'd get with some jug work, and a better carb. Also I love JSV Pipes and especially the one you got on, but just a head ups though. The biggest power killer on these bikes when you hop them up is the pipes/expansion chamber not being big enough. While these are sport quad guys--->Dr. Q The Quadzilla King, and FTZ with their 250r Expansion Chambers are some of the great 2 stroke pipe examples I can think of when it comes to making huge/functional Expansion Chambers for Big Bores. Keep it coming guys, Looking forward to what ya'll have in store next!
The thing most people miss when claiming Horsepower should be much higher ,is the limit on RPM this 700 has . A smaller cylinder engine with a higher RPM limit can “ Cram “ more combustion cycles into rotations pera minute than a larger / slower bore engine can. You add up all those “ small cylinder firings “ Vs “ less cylinder firings “. And the answer is clear ….. 10, 000 power strokes will add up to more than say 7,000 power strokes if total power is only thing being considered. Torque however is “ Leverage “ exerted on the Crankshaft in order to get things moving , and as we all know , when you put a “ cheater pipe extension” onto you trusty old Ratchet you can “ Bust that rusty bolt or nut “ loose a lot easier than without it . Leverage is key to torque output, and “ More is better “. Torque puts things in motion & H.P. Keeps it there …. So to speak. ( once things like friction & mass are overcome at least) Glad to see you guys are getting it dialed in and I too would love to see what a larger volume tuned Expansion Chamber and some mods to port timing and a bigger Carburetor could unleash ….. but then Safe RPM range may be compromised….. slinging a “ Gallon paint can size piston” above its sane speed may be costly when things get too much … just ask all those early Hemi Drag racers from the ‘60’s and ‘70’s …..😏😉. Sometimes good enough is just that. ……
No, it's called volumetric efficiency. The bigger the cylinder, the less time atmospheric pressure (14.7lbs at sea level) has time to fill with an air/fuel mixture. It's even worse on two strokes. In this case, also probably made worse by a very old cylinder design/ports/squish/carb, etc.
The Wizard really is a great Dyno tech. He makes no bs claims just provides the sauce and the meat.....and cooks it up and serves it for our dining pleasure. And damn. That thing has torque like a diesel freight train lol. Amazing. And. Imagine what kinda power we could tune that 700 to make? One would wonder how rideable it would be in a high state of tune lol....but something tells me Sr will make sure we find out in the future. Pull out the stops Ken. Build it up.....let's see what she can do!!
Shows how amazing a CR500 is!!!! 200cc extra....all that engine inertia making it struggle in corners......low revving motor.......all for an extra 5 ft-lb torque and 7 HP. CR 500 will smoke that around the track, too! But......it's a cool bike guys!
A four stroke piston travels much further down the bore before the pressure is bled off by the valve opening, while a two stroke doesn't even make it half way down before the exhaust port opens. That's why you can lug most 4 strokes and not 2 strokes, they need to be on the pipe. Big bore 2 strokes can be lugged but generally they don't like to rev very high, which explains the tall gearing.
Very cool! I called it, low 60hp at the wheel and close to 50 ft/lbs of torque is nothing to shake a stick at! Good work guys! Really looking forward to the BRC 500 build!
I love this bike ken, but I think I love watching you love that bike just as much!! I love the enthusiasm you have man, thanks for making these videos and teaching us about the legendary maico 700!!
Truly impressed thanks for all the efforts you and your team put into bringing real life technology to our viewing pleasure the action shot’s the noise the fact that I feel I’m right there with the whole experience!! Fantastic love it!
41mm???? That thing is breathing through a STRAW!!! I run 42mm lectrons on my 250's, and ran 48mm lectrons on my 500's, with airbox filter holes in both. That bike could use at the very least, a 48-50mm Lectron, and definitely some airbox modifications. I'd be willing to bet with those simple changes, you'll be at 70hp and 55-58 ft lbs easily. That engine has allot of rotating mass, so doesn't need/like the RPM's of the smaller engines. But the bottom end grunt has to be phenomenal, even in such a docile state of tune....
Hey, Ken. I just had a heated discussion with some guy on a 2Vintage thread. Finally made peace and he told me he has an 89 TE 510 that he can't find parts for. I told him to look you guys up. Let me know how it goes.
Crank only has to go around once in a stroker for the power stroke, in a four banger it has to go around twice, so the 2 popper has a more uniform/linear torque delivery
If you compare the Maico 700 to the husky 701 (I know the husky’s a road bike) but it is also a dirtbike the husky way out preforms it with the same displacement which is a much more obvious comparison than a 450 which has much less displacement which is obviously going to have less torque.
Was wondering why it took awhile but great to know you wanted to tune it perfectly and it takes a little time, but you guys wanted accurate data, Awesome 👌
did you figured out what "HeWa" means in the meantime? In case Toby hasn't already told you the story. "HeWa" stands for the famous Maico tuner "HErmann WAlgenbach". The porting of the engines is due to him.
I wanna come out there, and just watch everybody make all this magic happen! I gotta see all this in person! You're like the big bro I never had, Kenny. You live and breath bikes. Still waiting to see that later build Van Veen 50 GP bike. About 20hp, and rev to 17,000k+ 😁
Yep! We knew that tiny carb was like a throttle restrict or on kids mini bikes. But that Torgueeeee! That motor needs ported ! And a 44mm carb. Then boom 70hp.
A 2-stroke has more torque as Ken explains because it fires every turn. The internal mass has nothing to do with it, except in a inertia dynamometer that calculates accellerations of all the mass, the inertia dyno flywheel mass and the rotation mass of the engine. Large rotation mass of the engine can give slightly lower readings. The importance of engine torque is often exaggerated, the torque at the wheels is what matters and as long you have a great gearbox the horsepower is whats matters how much torque you can get at the wheel (at every given point in the powerband). The engine torque is actually calculated from the horsepower and engine rpm in a inertia dynamometer.
Yes. But HP is what matters. HP=TQxRPM/5252. So the big TQ number is of no use if it doesn't happen at high enough RPM. And four strokes have an RPM advantage because they can go short stroke, large bore if they want to. The thing that holds back large two strokes is they can't shorten the stroke or they won't get enough port time to inhale enough air to make power. The last generation of 125cc two stroke GP road bikes were making 60hp...with 125cc. Narrow power range for sure but that doesn't matter to expert riders. When they say the 700 has high torque, it's better understood that it makes high torque at very low rpm, thus high hp at very low rpm. The 700 has to seem monsterous at low rpm. And because even national MX riders have a problem running more than 65hp efficiently, the 80hp that the Maico has is really scary.
Oh, yeah, two strokes still rule, don't believe all the BS. National MX still bans two strokes above 250cc in the 450 four stroke class for a reason...if they allowed 300-325cc two strokes then nobody would ride a four stroke..
That is awesome. I would like to see you race it against a few of your 500’s on the track. I wish that I had a Wizard near me right now. Just changed my cv carb on my Harley to a mikuni hsr42 and it’s blowing flames out the exhaust at idle. I’m sure he could point me in the right direction. Congrats on getting her straightened out. Looking forward to seeing the ride video 👍
A heavier rotating mass does NOT increase torque. On the dyno if you had a lightened crank and rods it would rev quicker yielding more hp/torque. All a heavier rotating mass is good for is the stored energy , albeit less torque. That would be good for some riders who like to just lug around and don't really get on the pipe. With a heavier crank the engine isn't a quick up or down rev response to the on and off throttle. A big displacement engine doesn't need a heavier flywheel to help it lug through the mud and roots. As far as the power coming on quicker from a 2 stroke , it's because it fires twice as much.......a 2t fires once every rotation of the crank
Mild port job shaved cylinder head and put a stroker crank in it? I have a ported banshee 4 mil stroker Crank that puts out 88 horsepower on race gas and that's a twin cylinder 350 I can only imagine 700 would do with some machine work.. that is still excellent for stock.. awesome videos though I love watching these and I'm glad to finally see the numbers
You could get more horses, BUT if you are faster on the track...I doubt. Because how the powerband is set up, thats the key here. Maybe worth checking 1-2 different pipes, but thats all. It is a very fast bike on the track. Thats for what it is built. Enjoy this masterpiece:)
Please don’t break it. It’s the only big bore Maico on the east coast and you guys have it on the dyno like you’re getting ready for the AMA Pro Star Nationals. I hope she’s on display when I swing down to check out the bike museum. 🇺🇸
Hmm, any aircooled 1982 Maico Alpha 1/490 built in Germany by Otto Maisch had about 45hp. So 40 years and 210cc later we are at 60hp? Otto, you are still and always will be THE MAN...
There's only so much to be done with a 2 stroke and manufacturers have pretty well found the sweet spot between a usable powerband and a pointlessly explosive and narrow powerband.
Good desert / supermotard bike...the power of the big enduro and mx bikes we have already is at its limit of what a rider can do with its power, so they won't be winning any races from a well setup 450 500 ..just wide open spaces. kick butt..and to own the beast..
Nice bike! That 450F was outmuscled by the other two but that dyno curve was still fat and flat, giving the 4S the edge in deep sand or low traction conditions. Guys you can strap a $100 Garmin GPS to that beast and it'll give you mph.
Hey Ken are you related to ""Krazy Kaplans""? They sell stuff for every season but mostly fireworks here 10 miles south of chicago in Northwest Indiana.. Huge chain for stores.. Man make some more videos of this bike please.. Nobody else on you tube has one 🤣 we love watching this thing move.. One day you should have A gathering calling all old school muscle bikes to the "" Krazy Kaplan Kompound"" have us all wear shirts with our you tube account icon pic lol
Back in the 80s when Jeff Leisk was King of Aussie mx,he was clicked at 100mph down the main straight away at Manjumup W.A.!The straight is shorter now.
Can't get enough of this stuff! Ken, You really make us feel as if we are a part of this whole adventure. It's a lot of effort on your part, but I truly appreciate it.
Thanks Ron!
For sure! I think EVERYBODY is Ken's family. Every kind of person. That's a real American.
@@DetroitMicroSound Agreed. That family is full of very hard working, talented, patriotic, humble, beautiful human beings. Ken and His Son can ride their asses off. I don't think that a motorcycle exists that they can't ride well.
@@sonnyseabury4051 Always something exciting going on!!! I love all this stuff just like they do. Ya feel like family, even when ya don't really know folks that well. I wish more folks in our country could find common ground, like we have.
Awesome ken your videos fantastic all your guys great maico 700 lovely bike must go like a rocket ship 👍👍❤️🇬🇧
KEN KAPLAN KEEPING 2 STROKES ALIVE. THIS IS THE WAY IT SHOULD BE.🤟🤟🤝
In 2-stroke snowmobiles they often have a engine output of 80 hp at per cylinder and 400cc. Thats incredible numbers as it also have good durability and fuel economy. It would be a interesting project to convert a snowmobile cylinder to a mx engine. Imagine 80 hp on a dirtbike without any extra weight.
There are scooter racing cylinders that give you over 30 hp from 100cc.
Being setup for enduro riding, I think it’s safe to say that the Maico engine is a very conservative and docile two stroke for it’s size. I’m sure if the engine was setup for racing (more aggressive ignition, larger porting, higher comp ratio, and higher revving, I could easily see it putting out 90hp at the crank. I wouldn’t be surprised if someone’s done it already.
Not a two stroke, but another example of a large, yet modestly powered engine, would be the Raptor 700. It makes less power than the YFZ450, but still wins due to torque.
@@pubbiehive specially the 100cc 2Fast one for Piaggio Zips.
@@Toxic2T Roost 100cc also
Bigger displacement single cylinder 2-strokes are different than smaller engines. They can’t put out same horsepower anymore because port size is limited. And have bad fuel economy too. But idea with big 2-strokes are light and they beat 4-stroke bikes when talking about hp, torq and weight. That’s why 700cc is amazing bike but it’s not really reliable and fuel consumption is really bad.😂
BTW I live in Finland and i have 2020 Maico 700cc and 99 cr 500. Fuel consumption and shaking of 700cc are downsides of that bike.
I love the dyno videos guys. Love the jetting talk and the sniffer is the ultimate tool for tuning bikes. I wish I could bring in my 300 and have Wiz/manic mechanic tune mine to perfection.
great work guys, just found this place about a month ago....used to ride a yammy it 175 back in the 80s street legal and it was a blast....been thinking about getting another bike lately, and this channel has really ruint me now for good ! lol im 58 years young and am looking for another set of dirt wheels f or sure...thanks again for the joy you guys are spreading!
Thanks for doing this series, Ken, on a bike most will never get to see in person. This is great and your enthusiasm is just the ticket! I think we were all rooting this bike on for a higher number however the torque output is shear foundation crumbling in itself. As Carroll Shelby once said, “Horsepower sells cars, torque wins races.” I hope you continue your content on this bike as it is getting a lot interest around and you are giving us an in depth / real world look into a bike that is super intriguing and you cannot find much about. It sounds like it is de-tuned. A suggestion would be to do a future series on bumping up the HP up and unleashing its full potential. Putting a bigger carb on would be very interesting to see, do the porting you talked about. Don't know anything about that muffler but maybe something more opened up. See about getting that HP number up to what the current crank output is. Either way, keep up the great content on a seriously cool bike!! ;-)
I think those mods you mentioned will improve it but the pipe is holding down the hp. A drag style expansion chamber for that monster would be massive and wouldn't really fit for Enduro or moto riding.
As a production bike, and running rich out of the factory, they probably didn't want this bike to be deemed just another 'widow maker' lol.
I myself am a long time enthusiast of European open class bikes long before I could even afford them. The largest displacement I ever owned was a two-stroke 550 KTM but the numbers that this thing produced doesn’t surprise me at all . I am rather shocked 😱when he said a Bing carburetor would actually make it run better. Which back in the day that’s what came stock on a Maico
I wouldn't kick a dead possum for a bing carb.....💩💩
The world going electric and KAPLAN builds 2 stroke MONSTERS
Yeah...I figured around 70 hp to the crank and that's with it jetted and timed perfectly and a pipe...they say 75 from factory...there is no way ....it's probably about 63 or so factory pipe and all...yes it's still a beast...there is no doubt it has the torque and hp..but they are never what they rate them at...great video and awesome content...keep them coming...you guys have one of the best jobs in the world...keep on keeping on....
Torque is where it's all at. 250's will give a 500 a good drag race but when it comes to a long loose monster hill climb, that same 250 would grind to a stop while the 500 is pulling 3rd gear to the top. That's where this 700 would really shine. 💯
Even better to see the numbers compared side by side! Like I said, these engines have so much more to give! People don't realize once you go above 250cc's in a 2 stroke, you run into problems from a mechanical engineering perspective. 500's have to overcome a lot of problems, and lord only know how hard it is to engineer a 700cc single with a piston that has the size and inertia of a paint can, has to be reliable, and not shake itself to bits! Why am I telling you, you already know all this stuff Hoss. In all seriousness the fact you're at 60rwhp, and almost 50tq on all stock/factory form is insane!! I can only imagine what you'd get with some jug work, and a better carb. Also I love JSV Pipes and especially the one you got on, but just a head ups though. The biggest power killer on these bikes when you hop them up is the pipes/expansion chamber not being big enough. While these are sport quad guys--->Dr. Q The Quadzilla King, and FTZ with their 250r Expansion Chambers are some of the great 2 stroke pipe examples I can think of when it comes to making huge/functional Expansion Chambers for Big Bores.
Keep it coming guys, Looking forward to what ya'll have in store next!
The thing most people miss when claiming Horsepower should be much higher ,is the limit on RPM this 700 has . A smaller cylinder engine with a higher RPM limit can “ Cram “ more combustion cycles into rotations pera minute than a larger / slower bore engine can. You add up all those “ small cylinder firings “ Vs “ less cylinder firings “. And the answer is clear ….. 10, 000 power strokes will add up to more than say 7,000 power strokes if total power is only thing being considered. Torque however is “ Leverage “ exerted on the Crankshaft in order to get things moving , and as we all know , when you put a “ cheater pipe extension” onto you trusty old Ratchet you can “ Bust that rusty bolt or nut “ loose a lot easier than without it . Leverage is key to torque output, and “ More is better “. Torque puts things in motion & H.P. Keeps it there …. So to speak. ( once things like friction & mass are overcome at least) Glad to see you guys are getting it dialed in and I too would love to see what a larger volume tuned Expansion Chamber and some mods to port timing and a bigger Carburetor could unleash ….. but then Safe RPM range may be compromised….. slinging a “ Gallon paint can size piston” above its sane speed may be costly when things get too much … just ask all those early Hemi Drag racers from the ‘60’s and ‘70’s …..😏😉. Sometimes good enough is just that. ……
No, it's called volumetric efficiency. The bigger the cylinder, the less time atmospheric pressure (14.7lbs at sea level) has time to fill with an air/fuel mixture. It's even worse on two strokes. In this case, also probably made worse by a very old cylinder design/ports/squish/carb, etc.
Grew up with a Maico 490. What a wicked beast. Can't imagine a 700...
The Wizard really is a great Dyno tech. He makes no bs claims just provides the sauce and the meat.....and cooks it up and serves it for our dining pleasure.
And damn. That thing has torque like a diesel freight train lol. Amazing.
And.
Imagine what kinda power we could tune that 700 to make? One would wonder how rideable it would be in a high state of tune lol....but something tells me Sr will make sure we find out in the future.
Pull out the stops Ken. Build it up.....let's see what she can do!!
Shows how amazing a CR500 is!!!! 200cc extra....all that engine inertia making it struggle in corners......low revving motor.......all for an extra 5 ft-lb torque and 7 HP. CR 500 will smoke that around the track, too! But......it's a cool bike guys!
The maico 700 was made lazy on purpose. So its a little easier to ride, no crazy power spike just steady pull all the way from idle
Appreciate all the work you guys did to show us how much power this beast makes👍
A four stroke piston travels much further down the bore before the pressure is bled off by the valve opening, while a two stroke doesn't even make it half way down before the exhaust port opens. That's why you can lug most 4 strokes and not 2 strokes, they need to be on the pipe. Big bore 2 strokes can be lugged but generally they don't like to rev very high, which explains the tall gearing.
Wow that would be a lot of fun on the ice or flat tracking I can’t imagine holding on to that for 25+ minutes on a motocross track
You would need wrists of steel, to go with the balls of steel!
Very cool! I called it, low 60hp at the wheel and close to 50 ft/lbs of torque is nothing to shake a stick at!
Good work guys! Really looking forward to the BRC 500 build!
Sounds great, you can hear its perfectly tuned👍
Two stroke for life. Riding two’s from day one. Blew up multiple new fours and got tired of the cost and time fixing them. AMA and epa screwed racers
Maico 700 2-stroke vs gasgas 690 Enduro 4 stroke?
Those dyno pulls look like so much fun just hammering gears nasty bike man
I love this channel Ken is the man don’t stop ever doing these videos brother!
That is pretty impressive but I Still wouldn't trade my XR650R though 😀
They need to do an Xr650r with hrc kit and see what it does. I love my Xr650r
Cool, but I miss those old coffin tanks.
I love this bike ken, but I think I love watching you love that bike just as much!! I love the enthusiasm you have man, thanks for making these videos and teaching us about the legendary maico 700!!
Glad you enjoy it!
Truly impressed thanks for all the efforts you and your team put into bringing real life technology to our viewing pleasure the action shot’s the noise the fact that I feel I’m right there with the whole experience!!
Fantastic love it!
41mm???? That thing is breathing through a STRAW!!! I run 42mm lectrons on my 250's, and ran 48mm lectrons on my 500's, with airbox filter holes in both. That bike could use at the very least, a 48-50mm Lectron, and definitely some airbox modifications. I'd be willing to bet with those simple changes, you'll be at 70hp and 55-58 ft lbs easily.
That engine has allot of rotating mass, so doesn't need/like the RPM's of the smaller engines. But the bottom end grunt has to be phenomenal, even in such a docile state of tune....
Finally we get some numbers! Love it and the comparisons!
Jeff and Wiz. The Kobe and Shaq of offroad tuning. HOLLA!
Hey, Ken. I just had a heated discussion with some guy on a 2Vintage thread. Finally made peace and he told me he has an 89 TE 510 that he can't find parts for. I told him to look you guys up. Let me know how it goes.
Hands down the best motorcycle video on you tube
Crank only has to go around once in a stroker for the power stroke, in a four banger it has to go around twice, so the 2 popper has a more uniform/linear torque delivery
That thing is a monster ❤wizard has tuned that just right sounds like it is sitting on the back wheel at 1000 rpm mental
Heck yeah finally a torque out put, thank you.
Awesome sir , bloody brilliant . Can smell the 2 stroke exhaust from here 👍 . 2 stroke magic .
What are the service intervals on this tbing? 😊
If you compare the Maico 700 to the husky 701 (I know the husky’s a road bike) but it is also a dirtbike the husky way out preforms it with the same displacement which is a much more obvious comparison than a 450 which has much less displacement which is obviously going to have less torque.
What?
@@nebulah33 ktm 690 engine is far superior to this ring-ding monster
Love the bike, I'm surprised someone hasn't done a fuel injection conversion on it.
I had turned on the notification bell just for this. Amazing stuff. Much love from Brazil!
Was wondering why it took awhile but great to know you wanted to tune it perfectly and it takes a little time, but you guys wanted accurate data, Awesome 👌
Way to go Ken, great video and bike. And that old part of the building is so beautiful.
Fantastic Job 👍🏽 guys.
I think the world record is as good as yours if you put your team on it.
did you figured out what "HeWa" means in the meantime? In case Toby hasn't already told you the story. "HeWa" stands for the famous Maico tuner "HErmann WAlgenbach". The porting of the engines is due to him.
Please compare the hgs with the jsv pipe. The difference is very Importamt fir the german maico Community:)
Thanks for taking the time to share these little gems. Real torque monster.👍👍👍
DUDE SR in Guinness World record book on a 130 mph Maico! Do it !!!
Huge torque for a two stroke !
I wanna come out there, and just watch everybody make all this magic happen! I gotta see all this in person! You're like the big bro I never had, Kenny. You live and breath bikes. Still waiting to see that later build Van Veen 50 GP bike. About 20hp, and rev to 17,000k+ 😁
Yep! We knew that tiny carb was like a throttle restrict or on kids mini bikes. But that Torgueeeee! That motor needs ported ! And a 44mm carb. Then boom 70hp.
Nice!! I guessed 63hp, not too far off. Great job wizard tuning 👍
Awesome! Glad it's sorted out now, sounds crisp there!
A 2-stroke has more torque as Ken explains because it fires every turn. The internal mass has nothing to do with it, except in a inertia dynamometer that calculates accellerations of all the mass, the inertia dyno flywheel mass and the rotation mass of the engine. Large rotation mass of the engine can give slightly lower readings. The importance of engine torque is often exaggerated, the torque at the wheels is what matters and as long you have a great gearbox the horsepower is whats matters how much torque you can get at the wheel (at every given point in the powerband). The engine torque is actually calculated from the horsepower and engine rpm in a inertia dynamometer.
Yes. But HP is what matters. HP=TQxRPM/5252. So the big TQ number is of no use if it doesn't happen at high enough RPM. And four strokes have an RPM advantage because they can go short stroke, large bore if they want to. The thing that holds back large two strokes is they can't shorten the stroke or they won't get enough port time to inhale enough air to make power. The last generation of 125cc two stroke GP road bikes were making 60hp...with 125cc. Narrow power range for sure but that doesn't matter to expert riders. When they say the 700 has high torque, it's better understood that it makes high torque at very low rpm, thus high hp at very low rpm. The 700 has to seem monsterous at low rpm. And because even national MX riders have a problem running more than 65hp efficiently, the 80hp that the Maico has is really scary.
Oh, yeah, two strokes still rule, don't believe all the BS. National MX still bans two strokes above 250cc in the 450 four stroke class for a reason...if they allowed 300-325cc two strokes then nobody would ride a four stroke..
Translated: 2Ts are bad ass...
@johncamara1650 same as ducatis in the superbikes they need to be about 200-300cc more than a jap 1tr bike to compete?
Port it ,carb it, big bore? Higher compression?
I remember ad in Cycle World covering Maico 501 saying
" If you can handle the power and price you ll never look up a competitors tail pipe."
That is awesome. I would like to see you race it against a few of your 500’s on the track. I wish that I had a Wizard near me right now. Just changed my cv carb on my Harley to a mikuni hsr42 and it’s blowing flames out the exhaust at idle. I’m sure he could point me in the right direction. Congrats on getting her straightened out. Looking forward to seeing the ride video 👍
A heavier rotating mass does NOT increase torque. On the dyno if you had a lightened crank and rods it would rev quicker yielding more hp/torque. All a heavier rotating mass is good for is the stored energy , albeit less torque. That would be good for some riders who like to just lug around and don't really get on the pipe. With a heavier crank the engine isn't a quick up or down rev response to the on and off throttle. A big displacement engine doesn't need a heavier flywheel to help it lug through the mud and roots. As far as the power coming on quicker from a 2 stroke , it's because it fires twice as much.......a 2t fires once every rotation of the crank
Ken ure a beaut,u sure know how to rip on these big bores,loving it!💪💪🔥🔥🔥👊
Mild port job shaved cylinder head and put a stroker crank in it? I have a ported banshee 4 mil stroker Crank that puts out 88 horsepower on race gas and that's a twin cylinder 350 I can only imagine 700 would do with some machine work.. that is still excellent for stock.. awesome videos though I love watching these and I'm glad to finally see the numbers
Great stuff!! Its on its back wheel Even before you touch the throttle it seems like. Torqh machine!
the intro got me rolling on the floor laughing. awaken the 2stroke monster!! and then u whip it i am dieing
On the Maico website they show a 700cc supermoto with a claim of 82 crank HP - is that possible?
I think it's very possible, with some heavy tuning
Awesome stuff ken, would love to see a ktm 380 on the dyno for comparison, a 550 would be great to get on there too. love the videos guys
You could get more horses, BUT if you are faster on the track...I doubt. Because how the powerband is set up, thats the key here. Maybe worth checking 1-2 different pipes, but thats all. It is a very fast bike on the track. Thats for what it is built.
Enjoy this masterpiece:)
The 500cc two stroke record was set in 2016 by Johann Hamm out of SA at a Speed Week official timed event. 1983 Husky 500 XC.
127 mph. lol…
I love dirt bikes, I ride a 2023 road glide special. I would buy this bike, thanks for your videos.
Glad you like them!
Nothing better than a big bore 2 banger ..🇦🇺
🔥just a monster guyz, heck ya new 700 goals.. set new 2 stoke record, send it sr🔥👊🔥🏍⚙️🔨
Please don’t break it. It’s the only big bore Maico on the east coast and you guys have it on the dyno like you’re getting ready for the AMA Pro Star Nationals. I hope she’s on display when I swing down to check out the bike museum. 🇺🇸
Very impressed, lets see it race the 1200 Sporster and the CR 500!
Bring back memory of 2-stroke Elite Era..
The power 2stroke engine.. nice bike 👍👍
Hmm, any aircooled 1982 Maico Alpha 1/490 built in Germany by Otto Maisch had about 45hp. So 40 years and 210cc later we are at 60hp? Otto, you are still and always will be THE MAN...
There's only so much to be done with a 2 stroke and manufacturers have pretty well found the sweet spot between a usable powerband and a pointlessly explosive and narrow powerband.
The ultimate 2 smoker!
Such a animal ken 👌
What a bad ass bike!!
Great job guys!!
Neat! Just noticed the drive is on the right and the kickstart is on the left. Wonder how many times someone lifted their right leg to start it, lol.
Husaburg 650 makes that from memory. Kx500 with a cr500 exhaust system works well.
Would love to see you dyno some classic bikes sometime, your dyno videos are my favorite
I wish we could have one of those big beach races like in Europe and watch the Maico 700 go
That's awsome buddy...looks like your having some fun....God bless you guys..
Absolutely Awesome bike, congratulations guys.
Wish those charts were in RPMs instead of MPH, but awesome video and cool results!
From your metric using Canadian friend, 108 km/h is 67mph
HEWA POWER....✊
HEAR THE AIR PUMPING OUT THE BACK ....THAT'S ANTEDILUVIAN...HEWA👌
Oh mama! Hope they make a quad too!
Good desert / supermotard bike...the power of the big enduro and mx bikes we have already is at its limit of what a rider can do with its power, so they won't be winning any races from a well setup 450 500 ..just wide open spaces. kick butt..and to own the beast..
It's going to get real interesting to see how it responds to modfications. Once the air gets flowing that's when we're going to see the big numbers.💯
Could you ad a o2 sensor to the exhaust and convert it to EFI? Or can you not do that on 2 strokes?
You've gotta love those CC's
Nice bike! That 450F was outmuscled by the other two but that dyno curve was still fat and flat, giving the 4S the edge in deep sand or low traction conditions. Guys you can strap a $100 Garmin GPS to that beast and it'll give you mph.
The 4vstroke is not even close in deep sand with 40% less tq
I'm pretty sure my house just came off the foundation the hair on back of my neck stands up when the horn is sounded two strokes never die
There is a channel on YT that has multiple drag races between a Cr 500 and the 700...CR 500 BEAT IT 50 % OF THE TIME!
I don't doubt that. A 250cc would probably beat a 500cc most of the time too.
Wow, that pipe makes a pretty good horn🤣🤣🤣🤣
It's my favorite! The 700 horn is the best
That is so cool Ken! right on!
Hey Ken are you related to ""Krazy Kaplans""? They sell stuff for every season but mostly fireworks here 10 miles south of chicago in Northwest Indiana.. Huge chain for stores.. Man make some more videos of this bike please.. Nobody else on you tube has one 🤣 we love watching this thing move.. One day you should have A gathering calling all old school muscle bikes to the "" Krazy Kaplan Kompound"" have us all wear shirts with our you tube account icon pic lol
That bike should come with a Kaplan America cape from factory.
Back in the 80s when Jeff Leisk was King of Aussie mx,he was clicked at 100mph down the main straight away at Manjumup W.A.!The straight is shorter now.
Of course it was a CR500R!
Gee Ken You have a great team the People there cheers Mick Australia.
Kaplan is the king
Wish i had that crew tuning my bikes