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Episode XII - The Empire's White-Black!
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ก.ย. 2024
- Join our adventure into tonal territories far beyond the outer realms of our sonic systems, - to escape the long shadows cast by the 12 TET empire...
We experience „free flow“ and it dawns on us that we have merely scratched the surface of sonic possibilites!
A gigantic thank you to the amazing Subhraag Singh and his incredible infinitone.com/ software, which was used to retune the sound examples in this episode!
It is - hands down - the most advanced and easy to use tuning software.
(We are not sponsored by Infinitone, we're just genuinely excited)
And special credits also go to Cam Taylor for creating the beautiful soundtrack to this Episode. It was the missing piece of the puzzle - thank you Cam!
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Could someone be 1/3 English, 1/3 Scottish and 1/3 Irish? Well if you had an English parent and Scottish parent you would be 1/2 of each, and that's not what we want. But if you go back a generation, you could be for example 1/4 English, 1/2 Scottish and 1/4 Irish. Better, but not quite. As you go back the generations, you can get closer to 1/3 proportions but never exactly, as each 1 offspring has exactly 2 parents. That "comma" will always be there. You can never use a 2 to get to a 3, and vice versa. Same applies to music, where you can't stack the 3rd harmonic and ever hope to line up exactly with some multiple of the 2nd harmonic. I'm told this is to do with the fundamental theorem of arithmetic. Love the video guys!
You are the goat, Sevish, thanks for your amazing allegory!
...ummm...
...mesmerizing metaphor?
Genetic mutation: allow me to introduce myself
Indeed, not. Depending how far back you look, your composition is quantised into inverse powers of 2 - (1/2,1/4,1/8,1/16,1/32...) etc. and you can't get 1/3 from summing such numbers. Since you have finitely many ancestors, the best you could do is approximate. One grandparent, one great-great-grandparent, one great-great-great-great-grandparent etc.
You've never met my dad
On a more serious note, the idea of two-ness and three-ness hits me in a visceral way. Prime-ness and how high you count before your brain calculates the frequencies wrong and just smooths it out
its amazing that you can play a few chords from frippe’s nocturne and i can instantly recognize it. that shows how unique your music is compared to other bands.
keep up the good work!
Wow, thank you! db
i love this series
I love this comment db
LOVE how this came together. Grrrreat work. The whole thing brings a big smile to my face. So happy my love for magic AND microtones could be united at last. My destiny has at last been fulfilled haha.
This was so well made! Absolutely criminally underrated. Really looking forward to the future of this channel 👍🏼
As always, really good and fun stuff. When I hear 31EDO for the first time, I just don’t have a clue how the sound goes on.
but as I did in 12EDO, by just mimicking them I was able to understand the way to trace.
Now I kind a think 12 EDO is a useful as a measurement tool for the distance between the intervals(at least in this era), but there is actually no reason for the most of the musicians to stay stuck this tuning system.
Tooootally!
@@HearBetweenTheLinesOh, I thought I was the only one thinking about that! 😂
Your creativity impresses me more and more guys, by the way, I loved the mention of Frippe's Nocturne. 2:00
Good work as always.
Glad you enjoyed it! And well spotted, Daniel! ;)
This is too good.
Everyone mentioning Frippe's Nocturne (incomprehensibly beautiful song by the way), but shout out to Time To Call My Friend 😀
Thanks so much! db db
One of the great things about these videos are the little musical interludes and background music being microtonal. It's a great little touch.
Yeah, Cam did this one, so amazing how nuanced and seemingly effortlessly he incorporated the examples into his playing!
Nice! Danke für das witzige spannende Video ❤
Sehr gerne! db
Wow, what a fun video and a good explanation within! I guess I have to try free JI out one day.
Go for it, that'd be great to hear! :) Thanks so much!
I think compositionally it's all about balance. Familiar yet different. You can get as wild in the tuning system as you like but if it's restricting you in ANY way then it's probably not going to work. Unless i really wanted to write fluid pitch as a particular concept i feel i would be restricted to the mechanics of physics and.. I'm evolved to be able to control my environment!
Totally, I thought I was the only one thinking about that ;)
1:05, this intro is awesome 😂
Thanks so much for showing a comma pump visually at 11:40!
You're very welcome! I think it's a little earlier though, right? You mean B# ≠ C in JI?
@@HearBetweenTheLines Ah you're right, I was guessing how many seconds ago it'd been.
6:38
YAY! NEW VÍDEO!
Yay! New comment! ;)
Are there any programs or DAWs that can allow you to play in just intonation?
i like this❤ but where is 53-TET? 😂
Haha, well, you can do these JI examples in 53, too!
Damn this is like Adam neelys 7 levels of jazz harmony but it’s levels of microtonal harmony 😂
Hahaha, totally, well, onto the next video idea then ;)
A 5/4 above C is not an E. E can only be reached by four perfect fifths up from C. The 5/4 is not a musical note, but a timbral one, one that is NOT in the key of C major. A key is a chain of unbroken fifths consisting of 7 notes in total. For the natural notes, that is F, C, G, D, A, E, B. That is what a key is. This unbroken chain of fifths can be moved up and down the chain of fifths to reach different keys. Scale degrees can be altered by sharps or flats as sharps and flats are natural occurrances in the chain of fifths. But the syntonic comma alterations are detunings of true intonation that result in out of tune music, chords and melodies both.
The interval between C and D and D and E are indeed the same interval 9/8 ratio. Only in this warped view of "anything goes tuning" does the 10:9 come into play as a viable musical interval. The 10:9 is a timbral interval, not a musical one, not one that lends itself to a coherent musical tuning system and language.
This is the end of pursuing musical tunings above 3 limit, it inevitably ends in "anything goes tuning". Because once you embrace the 5/4 as a musical interval, because it is incoherent, yet subtly so, you open up to increasing levels of incoherency in the name of expression. But what results is endless complexity, and ever increasing incoherency and out of tune sounding music.
Sure you can trick your ear into hearing some things as in tune when they are not, through different arranging methods and sound effects, but it is only ever that, trickery, and you never make music that is in tune or coherent, because you always look at 3 limit intonation as too simplistic, and as having "out of tune thirds", which is not true.
There is a special coherency of a 17 note vicinity around a given key center, a Pythagorean diatonic half step above and below each diatonic note. Notes outside this chain of 17 notes on the chain of fifths, will either imply modulation or will be playing "out" and will sound like out of tune versions of the 17 notes, or could potentially imply a distant bitonality. Through this there is so much to explore musically that really has almost remained entirely untouched because of the false dichotomy presented by the microtonal community, Hear Between The Lines included. The dichotomy of 12 tet verses 5, 7, 11, 13 limit plus anything goes, plus ET's that approximate as such harmonics. This is a wrong and flase dichotomy.
The dichotomy is extended Pythagorean tuning (which is approximated by 12 tet) verses everything else.
That is why they compare everything against 12 tet and never mention pure true intonation of the 3rd limit. It is hand waved away, "this is not the tuning you are looking for" if it is even mentioned at all. When in truth it is the only one that is in tune completely, without the need of compromise. It working perfectly on fixed pitch and not fixed pitch instruments, it can be implemented by computers or tuned by ear acoustically.
I would love to see Hear Between The Lines do a whole series of videos ONLY on Extended Pythagorean tuning out to 53 notes per octave (NOT 53tet) and highlight the special coherency of 17 notes in the vicinity of any key. Rami and Fred have a lot of talent and creativity but it is frustrating to see it being all spent to explain and delve into a philosophy of tuning which is not fruitful, not ideal, out of tune, and incoherent, all while never exploring or mentioning or exploring music in 3 limit tuning.
A whole frontier of music (coherent, beautiful, and logical) almost completely unexplored, going on completely ignored by the microtonal community.
This filled a gap in my understanding about JI systems.
So glad! db
4:57 that caught me off guard
That's funny, cause we caught Subhraag off guard, too, haha
Always a treat to see an upload from you guys; you absolutely deserve more viewers! By the way, do you have any information on getting into microtonal music without a massive budget? It always struck me as odd that such a revolutionary concept is barred behind very expensive tools. (I'd prefer not to do the lumatone "rent" system, that seems a bit predatory)
I absolutely feel you.
Short answer: Kind of, but it's not very intuitive: abuse your DAW of choice's piano-roll and shift around the midi-notes until they sound good to you. Arduous as flarp, but it gets the job done. I reharmonised "I Can See Clearly Now" that way back when I didn't have any instruments in 31.
Also: SING! Acapella ftw!
Long answer: I'll make a video on it soon, it deserves more attention, I agree.
@@HearBetweenTheLines alright, thank you!
I really love your outro song, what is it called?
Oh, that's something I (Rami) put together, when I was exploring 24 TET and imagined what Moonchild (a super awesome neo-soul band) would sound like if the were a microtonal group!
It's not released, it's just a loop I recorded one afternoon, but maybe I'll make a song out of it one day :)
@@HearBetweenTheLines Please do! I love the style it's got going on! soo chill
@@gghost-ow9969 I'll see what I can do ;)
@@HearBetweenTheLinesit was my ringtone for the longest time but it was too relaxing for waking