I think you are heavily under valuing some of the laguz units. Lethe and Mordecai are prepromotes that compliment the paladins really well. For a good chunk of the game they are really solid units that can pretty much kill anything and rarely are put in a lot of danger even without the demiband. Mordecai has smite which works on horse units which is insanely crazy utility and they both have 9 move transformed which only promoted mounted units get. Yes they do fall off late game so they are not units you will rely on, but by then there are other prepromotes that can take their slots if you want like Haar or Geoffrey (if you even need them). The amount of headaches a unit like soren will cause is so much more than the laguz. I think the mid tiers you have are a bit messy, but mostly the top tiers are spot on.
Other than the dragons. The laguz are just too unreliable since they require item uses and will get forced out of beast mode if you use them too much in 1 turn. That's why on hard and up most will prefer the reliability of human troops
I figure for people who are curious about the list they can just see it right away, and if they want to know more or see it closer they can click. I'm terrible with thumbnails so this is the best I can do lol
Ragnell is not The only 1-2 Range sword. There's also sonic sword and runesword. Both of those are things mist uses exceptionally well. The latter, however, is unbelievable on her. 41 magic attack 1-2 range 50% vamp with canto is crazy. Most units in the game don't have enough resistance to deal with that.
The problem with that is giving A sword to Mist. You have to really five her a lot of ressources. But once you do, she is a beast. I love doing it, but you won't be able to do it naturally, she needs bexp and arms scrolls.
Uhh... how is Sothe better than the E and F grade characters? Every single Beorc can promote, and Sothe can't promote without a cheat code, meaning Sothe permanently ends up with lower stats than the E and F characters. And the blossom scroll is useless on him since he can't get most of his stats beyond 20, whereas the other characters end up with 28-30 in their key stats. Meh, its your list by the end of the day. People are always going to disagree, even if you changed your list. People disagree with me on just about anything.
Probably for thief utility, if I had to guess. I definitely have chapters that I don't want to rely on only Volke, or use chest and door keys, because Sothe as a second thief can genuinely have more use than a one chapter laguz royal who arrives halfway through the last chapter.
I know I'm late but I only discovered this channel and want to say a couple of things. I actually do think that Kieran and Oscar belong in a tier lower then Titania and the female fliers. Mostly because they don't have the same utility as the fliers while also being far weaker then Titania overall. Even for combat I find Marcia and Jill to be better then Oscar and Kieran. Their bases are really good for their join time and the fact they fly gives them an easier time picking their targets because they can move about more safely. And Titania just owns this game. Not saying Oscar and Kieran suck, I think they're A tier but I just don't find them to be on par with the other S-tiers. Honestly I feel it would have been better to create an S+ and S- tier because while Oscar and Kieran aren't on the level of Titania, Marcia and Jill they're much better then anyone else in the game aside from Reyson. I also think Boyd should move down a tier and Mist should actually move up. Boyd being footlocked hurts him so bad even if he has 1-2 range and Mist promoting to a mounted healer is really nice. She's the only healer for a long time who can keep up with your mounted units if you promote her so It's worth using bonus EXP her for that reason alone imo. I also believe you undervalue Haar. No he isn't the godlike unit he is in FE10 but He is still pretty good. His brave axe solves his doubling issue while making sure he never gets retaliated. For me he is actually an A or B tier unit at least. Also the laguz aside from Janaff and Ulki are a bit underrated on this list imo. I think.they can be moved up atleast a tier each. Anywaythose were my thoughts on the list. I actually agree with most of it.
Muarim is easy A-tier. He's a laguz without the drawback of transforming. Even with the demi-band, his starting stats put a leveled-up Lethe or Mordecai to shame. Throw him into the enemy and he'll shrug it off without a scratch. He's an amazing shield and cannon. He had a spot in every chapter after joining for me, just an excellent character, plus 9 movement. You can even have him carry your extra weapons for you! His ONLY drawback is 1 range.
She's probably a bit better than I gave her credit for, but her start is ROUGH. Can only use iron lances at base (no javelins), weak starting stats, no mount, and no +crit or anything unique from Halberdier promotion. If you pour your bonus EXP into her and give her a forged lance then she can be pretty good, but the same thing can be said about almost ANY unit. She's amazing in Radiant Dawn, but in PoR she's easily one of the worst units in the game. Not saying she can't be made good. ANY unit can be made strong, even Rolf. But the resources it takes to make her good are just so much better spent on almost anyone else.
@@MythrilZenith I get what you're saying about her needed some build up, but it never felt like it was that much. I would always give her a forged weapon (which I would do for everyone), then a few levels from bonus exp. She would snowball from there and become a juggernaut with strength, speed, skill, and defense growing all the time. I guess it's just weird because back in the day when this game came out, she was considered one of the best units in the game. It's just weird to see such a big 180 in recent opinion.
@@MythrilZenith I think the argument can be said that with units you have to baby for a bit is how fast they grow out of that initial phase and start steamrolling. PoR is rich in its resources in the sense that you have units that don't need unit focusation as much (thus you have room to baby a few units), and unlike a lot of units in the game where you can apply the same logic, Nephenee is scarily rewarding in contrast. In a sense she's very similar to Marcia and Jill in that regard, minus the flight. But has Wrath, and strong overall growth. Also joins on a relatively good spot, where an Arms Scroll is somewhat uncontested (meaning, the start isn't THAT bad). Just has to contest with other monsters but its not impossible to use multiple in hard. Wouldn't put her among the top tiers but she's definitely not a low tier. Maybe just average.
She is. Too weak compared to Gabriel. Face tanks everything and requires babysitting. Her best feature is as a wrath support to supplement a chokepoint solo unit (swordmasters and Ike and maybe Gabriel are the best chokepoint units). She's always at half health for me because she's kinda bad at dodging
@@jason200912 Who is Gabriel? I still don't understand this. I've played through this game over 15 times and I've always used her every playthrough, and I always get the same results with her. All I have to do is give her a few levels and make a custom lance. After that she becomes a juggernaunt with high strength, skill, speed, HP and defense. I park her green ass in the middle of battlefields and she murders the hell out of everything. Wrath doesn't get much use because she doesn't usually go below half health. I just don't understand these new tier lists?
Stefan is probably the most OP character. He crits like every single time. Also neph is easily one of my strongest characters. Most characters suck right off the bat unless they’re pre promoted. Neph is a dodge and double up maniac
Stefan is a weird case to me. He should by all rights suck because he is a swordmaster which is a pretty bad class in fe9 but he actually does pretty well. He doubles most enemies, has enough strength to kill most enemies and is decently bulky. But the OP character is not what I would call him. Just being footlocked and swordlocked makes him pretty hard to utilise well in a game with pretty big maps where most combat is done in the enemy phase. Still a pretty good unit though. Also, Nephenee is really bad. Her bases are pretty bad for a for a level 7 unit who joins in chaptet 10. Kieran joins the same chapter at level 12 but his bases actually reflect that and he is mounted. But more importantly he can use handaxes at base. Nephenee with here E-rank lances can't use Javelins unless you give her an arms scroll. The same arms scroll Marcia can use to go to C-rank and start using killer lances. You need to invest way too much to make Nephenee somewhat usefull and you only see it work out at the end.
@@nicolaspendragon3582 weird I just used neph normally and she sky rocketed, maybe I just got lucky level ups? She’s easily one of my best characters. Definitely starts out kinda bad but she’s one of the characters (like in every fire emblem games) that start out with bad stats and just becomes insanely OP. She carried me through hard mode
Stefan in path of radiance is extremely weak. Zihark and Mia are the better choice. And Mia comes at the beginning of the game!! Stefan is greatly boosted in radiant dawn though. His problem was low speed and luck in POR which caused him to be fragile.
Royal Laguz in f tier is blasphemy. At the very least you can give them laguz stones to transform and give the laguz band to reyson (yes, he can use it) to have a perma quad dancer in the final chapter, which is INSANE even in hard mode when ashnard goes berserk. Also, dancers ALWAYS s tier. Always.
If this game did require a kidney to buy and Nintendo actually cared about legacy titles, this would be a great newcomer game. Normal mode is pretty cozy and it has a lot of intricacies that a new player can really pick up on. Canto+, Rescue, Bonus EXP, customizable use of skills.
I think you value starting usefulness too much. There is a case to be made for characters that can grow. For me Titania is a C. She starts great. But has terrible growths and quickly falls off. Ike can quickly outpace her.
@@maxfram17 I would give nephenee A/B rank, because she comes much later than other unpromoted units, and Neph starts with E rank for lances, and that's not good. I had to use an arm scroll on her and I had to give her 2 levels bexp to get neph going. She's is good, but nowhere near as good as Oscar or Titania. If neph had earth affinity, I'd definately give her A or S rank! Oscar has the broken Earth affinity, and if you give Oscar A support with Ike, Oscar has a whopping 30% extra evade. And you can stack that with Oscar + Tanith B support, for another 20% evasion!! Earth support rules!
I know this is pretty late but I just gotta ask: are you guys being serious? First of all Titania's growth rates are very good, easilly on par with your other units in fact. 80% hp, 45% strength, 60% skill 50% speed, 40% defence and 45% resistance are all really good. Compared to Ike she has 5% more hp, 5% less strength, 10% more skill 5% less speed, the same defence and 5% more resistance while having a mount and A-rank axes at base giving her 1-2 range while Ike is foot-locked with Swords as his weapon type which is horrendous in FE9. Titania's bases are also incredible with 33 hp, 12 strength, 13 skill, 14 speed, 11 defence and even her resistance is pretty good. Combined with her growth rates and her 9 move her bases ensure she will be usefull the entire game. Meanwhile people are arguing that Nephenee of all units should be S tier. No, she should not. She is terrible. First of all she is a level 7 Soldier who has a pathetic E-rank lances so she can't even use Javelins at base. Secondly her growth rates aren't at all amazing. In fact they are all lower then Titania aside from speed in which she has a whole 5% advantage. Her bases are atrocious aswell. 22hp, 8 strength, 10 skill and 11 speed are her best bases. Defensively she is absurdly frail. You may think her base strength and speed sound good but remember, these are her bases in chapter 10, a full 9 chapters after Titantia joins. Unless you give her an arms scroll, a bunch of stat boosters and like 5 level of bonus EXP Nephenee will strugle killing anything while also surviving 1 hit against enemies who will likely double her. And don't even start with wrath, it comes too late to salvage Nephenee and even if it didn't there are better units for it like Ike.
I dont think ike is that bad at the beginning. At least there are axe opponents he can feed on. Boyd on the other hand misses too much and he does have the doubling problem. Late game he is slow and is pretty much the worst unmounted unit on the team. Also has missing chapters early which make training awkward. Underwhelming.
Everytime I make a yearly run of Maniac Mode - not using Boyed almost always causes me to have major problems. Somehow - either I am just lucky in the rolls or w/e, but Boyed 95% of the time tends to be the second overall strongest unit in the game without being fed. He keeps up pace with everyone else and tends to wreck the field like Ike once he gets Ragnell. Especially if I gave him Colossus and all the statue frags to bolster his proc rate; but that is more of a nerf than anything as Colossus tends to do less damage than his normal two hits XD
Ike should not be in b tier because he can solo an entire flank by himself with ragnell sword. Doesn't even need support. Boyd I only used him as an archer because he kept getting assassinated by a 2 man enemy ambush. And of course shinon is just way better at that role due to the super long range
Am I the only one who loves Rolf? I cheese the game and make him fight the boss on the map you get him. He’s like lvl 10-11 when I get done and he becomes awesome after that.
Or Tibarn. Neasala barely hurts ashnard. I'm one of the fewest people to say this, but ashnard is soooooo hideous!! What was nintendo/intelligent systems thinking when they drew ashnard??
am I the only one who loathes Titania? I use her for the first few chapters, unequipped, sure, in fact I need her. But after that, I never touch her again. In fact I TRIED using her past Chapter 8 but everyone and their mother grows past her - and far. She's useless after those first eight chapters.
@@starner00she’s actually not her stats are the worst of the paladins when trained up due to having poor stats for her level like Kieran has base 11 strength Titania has base 12 strength
@@uncappedfoill3188 My dude, there’s entire guides online that thoroughly dissect this game. End game Titania on average has 49 HP, 21 Strength, 25 Skill, 24 Speed, 20 Luck, 19 Defense, and 16 Resistance. So, no. Keirian will end with better Strength, but that’s really about it. Everything else she’s either about the same or better. Pretending there’s a drop off is genuinely funny.
She's good for training your other units and weaken enemies. However, she's still the best of all the cav troops, with Astrid Oscar being pretty good too since they are mounted archers.
Astrid, Tanith, Geoffrey and Rhys over freakin Nephenee, Mia, Rolf and Zihark. He's either a mad man, or completely clueless. There is not even consistency in this. It just makes no sense at all. Even if you prefer "no-baby-sitting" Units, why is Astrid on here? I tried her only once when Oscar died on me and still got disappointed even tho I didn't expect much. If you prefer mounted units, then why the frick is Devdan, Bastian and Boyd so high? Because all of them are pretty bad or at least mediocre. (Knife on Sage lul)
Tanith is a flyer, making her better than all of those units. Rolf is an archer, the worst class in the game and zihark is a foot unit that can only use swords
Titania is meh. She's a promoted unit that requires insane early investment thatd be better off spent somewhere else when playing on harder difficulty. Meanwhile you put the god tier Nephenee on E tier. Wrath and resolve and nephenee becomes a goddess of war that you can park in the middle and watch her mow down everything not Ashnard and completely outpaces as Devdan in growth who you put at C.
Resolve you don't get until like the second to last chapter in the game. Wr/res is a good combo but it's not worth defining a unit over because you can put it on almost anyone. Plus I don't know what version of the game you're playing where Titania requires any investment at all. She's a paladin in one of the best games for paladins in the series, with the best weapon combination, who doesn't really fall behind any of your other potential paladins until like 80% of the way through the game, and she's still decent in endgame. let's not forget Nephenee joins underleveled with negligible bases and can only wield iron lances at base. I'm not saying she can't turn into a great unit if you invest into her but it's getting her that investment which is going to cost you in other places. As for Devdan, he's a solidly mediocre filler unit. Nothing great but nothing terrible, no complaints from me.
Nah the Rolf slander is crazy. My Rolf has never gotten hit, never misses, always has at least 25 crit, and farms xp off of 1 range seize bosses so easily that you don't need to worry about giving him bxp.
I hate to bash this, but I love challenging and rewarding character builds and just played through hard. 1.) Rolf is GOATed as S Tier. Use Occult and him having Deadeye can clear a map almost soloing with great strength, speed, luck, and skill! He’s a crit machine, double attack heavy machine. Toss him a Shade skill and he’s unstoppable. 2. …..Titianna….. 3. Kieran VERY rough and requires a lot of protection/ investment of items. Oscar is probably my fave. 4. Hear me out, if you ever play through again, sothe is top tier thief. Dudes skills all max fast, and can be a great support to clear all chests and battle.
bros metal thinking rolf aint that good. bro u can almost go through the whole game with only rolf as long as yo get him to lv 10 in the first chapter u get him. and then u put boyd on b teir like boyd sucks cause if he misses once then he dead
Boyd also has average 15 DEF and 12 RES at level 20 warrior (I checked on serenes forest a while ago), and those are not high, when you literally have girls who end up with way more defence than Boyd. Like, how do muscular men like Boyd and Largo have less defence than teenage girls do??
Ah yes, the Gordin argument. But efen less worthwhile because Rolf joins in chapter 9 while Gordin atleast has the decency to be a member of your starting party. It's also just a terrible argument. I can give the same exact treatment to any other unit in the game and they'll be good, in fact they'll be better then Rolf. His groth rates just don't fix anything. They're all lower then Titania's for gods sake. Also Bows are atrocious in fe9. Double effectives while being locked to 2-range in a game dominated by 1-2 combat? No, thank you. And his stats are also just a big no. I mean 5 strength and 6 speed? He will get doubled while not even doing any damage. And 6 defence? Good luck finding an enemy who doesn't 1-round or even 1-shot Rolf.
I think you are heavily under valuing some of the laguz units. Lethe and Mordecai are prepromotes that compliment the paladins really well. For a good chunk of the game they are really solid units that can pretty much kill anything and rarely are put in a lot of danger even without the demiband. Mordecai has smite which works on horse units which is insanely crazy utility and they both have 9 move transformed which only promoted mounted units get. Yes they do fall off late game so they are not units you will rely on, but by then there are other prepromotes that can take their slots if you want like Haar or Geoffrey (if you even need them). The amount of headaches a unit like soren will cause is so much more than the laguz. I think the mid tiers you have are a bit messy, but mostly the top tiers are spot on.
Other than the dragons. The laguz are just too unreliable since they require item uses and will get forced out of beast mode if you use them too much in 1 turn.
That's why on hard and up most will prefer the reliability of human troops
The thumbnail is awesome. Cause it gives me the tier list at the start
I figure for people who are curious about the list they can just see it right away, and if they want to know more or see it closer they can click. I'm terrible with thumbnails so this is the best I can do lol
Man this video really makes me want a PoR/RD Switch release.
I want a reboot like they did with valentia. I loved the reboot.
Imagine getting a remaster path of radiance/radiant Dawn. I would settle for a port though
Ragnell is not The only 1-2 Range sword. There's also sonic sword and runesword. Both of those are things mist uses exceptionally well. The latter, however, is unbelievable on her. 41 magic attack 1-2 range 50% vamp with canto is crazy. Most units in the game don't have enough resistance to deal with that.
The problem with that is giving A sword to Mist. You have to really five her a lot of ressources. But once you do, she is a beast. I love doing it, but you won't be able to do it naturally, she needs bexp and arms scrolls.
Uhh... how is Sothe better than the E and F grade characters? Every single Beorc can promote, and Sothe can't promote without a cheat code, meaning Sothe permanently ends up with lower stats than the E and F characters. And the blossom scroll is useless on him since he can't get most of his stats beyond 20, whereas the other characters end up with 28-30 in their key stats.
Meh, its your list by the end of the day. People are always going to disagree, even if you changed your list. People disagree with me on just about anything.
Probably for thief utility, if I had to guess. I definitely have chapters that I don't want to rely on only Volke, or use chest and door keys, because Sothe as a second thief can genuinely have more use than a one chapter laguz royal who arrives halfway through the last chapter.
Sothe has some of the highest stats in the game. Yes he sucks at first but so does every unit.
Nvm you're right, sothe can't promote and stays weak. Volke is mandatory basicslly
I know I'm late but I only discovered this channel and want to say a couple of things.
I actually do think that Kieran and Oscar belong in a tier lower then Titania and the female fliers. Mostly because they don't have the same utility as the fliers while also being far weaker then Titania overall. Even for combat I find Marcia and Jill to be better then Oscar and Kieran. Their bases are really good for their join time and the fact they fly gives them an easier time picking their targets because they can move about more safely. And Titania just owns this game. Not saying Oscar and Kieran suck, I think they're A tier but I just don't find them to be on par with the other S-tiers. Honestly I feel it would have been better to create an S+ and S- tier because while Oscar and Kieran aren't on the level of Titania, Marcia and Jill they're much better then anyone else in the game aside from Reyson.
I also think Boyd should move down a tier and Mist should actually move up. Boyd being footlocked hurts him so bad even if he has 1-2 range and Mist promoting to a mounted healer is really nice. She's the only healer for a long time who can keep up with your mounted units if you promote her so It's worth using bonus EXP her for that reason alone imo.
I also believe you undervalue Haar. No he isn't the godlike unit he is in FE10 but He is still pretty good. His brave axe solves his doubling issue while making sure he never gets retaliated. For me he is actually an A or B tier unit at least.
Also the laguz aside from Janaff and Ulki are a bit underrated on this list imo. I think.they can be moved up atleast a tier each.
Anywaythose were my thoughts on the list. I actually agree with most of it.
Muarim is easy A-tier. He's a laguz without the drawback of transforming. Even with the demi-band, his starting stats put a leveled-up Lethe or Mordecai to shame. Throw him into the enemy and he'll shrug it off without a scratch. He's an amazing shield and cannon. He had a spot in every chapter after joining for me, just an excellent character, plus 9 movement. You can even have him carry your extra weapons for you! His ONLY drawback is 1 range.
I disagreed with the entire list lol. The only one that seems right is astrid
I played the hell out of this game, and I never thought Nephnee would one day be in low tier.
She's probably a bit better than I gave her credit for, but her start is ROUGH. Can only use iron lances at base (no javelins), weak starting stats, no mount, and no +crit or anything unique from Halberdier promotion. If you pour your bonus EXP into her and give her a forged lance then she can be pretty good, but the same thing can be said about almost ANY unit. She's amazing in Radiant Dawn, but in PoR she's easily one of the worst units in the game.
Not saying she can't be made good. ANY unit can be made strong, even Rolf. But the resources it takes to make her good are just so much better spent on almost anyone else.
@@MythrilZenith I get what you're saying about her needed some build up, but it never felt like it was that much. I would always give her a forged weapon (which I would do for everyone), then a few levels from bonus exp. She would snowball from there and become a juggernaut with strength, speed, skill, and defense growing all the time.
I guess it's just weird because back in the day when this game came out, she was considered one of the best units in the game. It's just weird to see such a big 180 in recent opinion.
@@MythrilZenith I think the argument can be said that with units you have to baby for a bit is how fast they grow out of that initial phase and start steamrolling. PoR is rich in its resources in the sense that you have units that don't need unit focusation as much (thus you have room to baby a few units), and unlike a lot of units in the game where you can apply the same logic, Nephenee is scarily rewarding in contrast.
In a sense she's very similar to Marcia and Jill in that regard, minus the flight. But has Wrath, and strong overall growth. Also joins on a relatively good spot, where an Arms Scroll is somewhat uncontested (meaning, the start isn't THAT bad). Just has to contest with other monsters but its not impossible to use multiple in hard.
Wouldn't put her among the top tiers but she's definitely not a low tier. Maybe just average.
She is. Too weak compared to Gabriel. Face tanks everything and requires babysitting. Her best feature is as a wrath support to supplement a chokepoint solo unit (swordmasters and Ike and maybe Gabriel are the best chokepoint units).
She's always at half health for me because she's kinda bad at dodging
@@jason200912 Who is Gabriel? I still don't understand this. I've played through this game over 15 times and I've always used her every playthrough, and I always get the same results with her. All I have to do is give her a few levels and make a custom lance. After that she becomes a juggernaunt with high strength, skill, speed, HP and defense. I park her green ass in the middle of battlefields and she murders the hell out of everything. Wrath doesn't get much use because she doesn't usually go below half health.
I just don't understand these new tier lists?
The "literally who" had me fucking dying lol
Also what’s up with the Ike hate? He’s my favorite main character ever and you have so many people ahead of him it’s crazy.
Stefan is probably the most OP character. He crits like every single time. Also neph is easily one of my strongest characters. Most characters suck right off the bat unless they’re pre promoted. Neph is a dodge and double up maniac
Stefan is a weird case to me. He should by all rights suck because he is a swordmaster which is a pretty bad class in fe9 but he actually does pretty well. He doubles most enemies, has enough strength to kill most enemies and is decently bulky. But the OP character is not what I would call him. Just being footlocked and swordlocked makes him pretty hard to utilise well in a game with pretty big maps where most combat is done in the enemy phase. Still a pretty good unit though.
Also, Nephenee is really bad. Her bases are pretty bad for a for a level 7 unit who joins in chaptet 10. Kieran joins the same chapter at level 12 but his bases actually reflect that and he is mounted. But more importantly he can use handaxes at base. Nephenee with here E-rank lances can't use Javelins unless you give her an arms scroll. The same arms scroll Marcia can use to go to C-rank and start using killer lances. You need to invest way too much to make Nephenee somewhat usefull and you only see it work out at the end.
@@nicolaspendragon3582 weird I just used neph normally and she sky rocketed, maybe I just got lucky level ups? She’s easily one of my best characters. Definitely starts out kinda bad but she’s one of the characters (like in every fire emblem games) that start out with bad stats and just becomes insanely OP. She carried me through hard mode
@@sharebear421 yeah you got extremely lucky. Belief or not but aside from a 5% advantage in speed Nephenee's growths are lower or equal to Titania.
Stefan in path of radiance is extremely weak. Zihark and Mia are the better choice. And Mia comes at the beginning of the game!! Stefan is greatly boosted in radiant dawn though. His problem was low speed and luck in POR which caused him to be fragile.
Royal Laguz in f tier is blasphemy. At the very least you can give them laguz stones to transform and give the laguz band to reyson (yes, he can use it) to have a perma quad dancer in the final chapter, which is INSANE even in hard mode when ashnard goes berserk.
Also, dancers ALWAYS s tier. Always.
Ikr I disagreed with every single placement except Astrid lol.
I used mist a ton because mobile healing is simply way better than infantry healing that leaves them open for a archery sniping.
Yessss more fire emblem tier lists
- ChillQuillz
If this game did require a kidney to buy and Nintendo actually cared about legacy titles, this would be a great newcomer game.
Normal mode is pretty cozy and it has a lot of intricacies that a new player can really pick up on. Canto+, Rescue, Bonus EXP, customizable use of skills.
I think you value starting usefulness too much. There is a case to be made for characters that can grow.
For me Titania is a C. She starts great. But has terrible growths and quickly falls off. Ike can quickly outpace her.
hard agree on this. Only use her early game to get you out of a pickle, but her usefulness early game is of course way higher on the hardest mode
he give Nephenee E-rank. Really? I think he just never played this game, cause Nephenee is S-rank!
@@maxfram17 I would give nephenee A/B rank, because she comes much later than other unpromoted units, and Neph starts with E rank for lances, and that's not good. I had to use an arm scroll on her and I had to give her 2 levels bexp to get neph going. She's is good, but nowhere near as good as Oscar or Titania. If neph had earth affinity, I'd definately give her A or S rank!
Oscar has the broken Earth affinity, and if you give Oscar A support with Ike, Oscar has a whopping 30% extra evade. And you can stack that with Oscar + Tanith B support, for another 20% evasion!! Earth support rules!
@@SilverHunterN Nephenee is unstoppable, thanks to wrath. She is S-rank.
I know this is pretty late but I just gotta ask: are you guys being serious? First of all Titania's growth rates are very good, easilly on par with your other units in fact. 80% hp, 45% strength, 60% skill 50% speed, 40% defence and 45% resistance are all really good. Compared to Ike she has 5% more hp, 5% less strength, 10% more skill 5% less speed, the same defence and 5% more resistance while having a mount and A-rank axes at base giving her 1-2 range while Ike is foot-locked with Swords as his weapon type which is horrendous in FE9. Titania's bases are also incredible with 33 hp, 12 strength, 13 skill, 14 speed, 11 defence and even her resistance is pretty good. Combined with her growth rates and her 9 move her bases ensure she will be usefull the entire game.
Meanwhile people are arguing that Nephenee of all units should be S tier. No, she should not. She is terrible. First of all she is a level 7 Soldier who has a pathetic E-rank lances so she can't even use Javelins at base. Secondly her growth rates aren't at all amazing. In fact they are all lower then Titania aside from speed in which she has a whole 5% advantage. Her bases are atrocious aswell. 22hp, 8 strength, 10 skill and 11 speed are her best bases. Defensively she is absurdly frail. You may think her base strength and speed sound good but remember, these are her bases in chapter 10, a full 9 chapters after Titantia joins. Unless you give her an arms scroll, a bunch of stat boosters and like 5 level of bonus EXP Nephenee will strugle killing anything while also surviving 1 hit against enemies who will likely double her. And don't even start with wrath, it comes too late to salvage Nephenee and even if it didn't there are better units for it like Ike.
I dont think ike is that bad at the beginning. At least there are axe opponents he can feed on. Boyd on the other hand misses too much and he does have the doubling problem. Late game he is slow and is pretty much the worst unmounted unit on the team. Also has missing chapters early which make training awkward. Underwhelming.
Everytime I make a yearly run of Maniac Mode - not using Boyed almost always causes me to have major problems. Somehow - either I am just lucky in the rolls or w/e, but Boyed 95% of the time tends to be the second overall strongest unit in the game without being fed. He keeps up pace with everyone else and tends to wreck the field like Ike once he gets Ragnell. Especially if I gave him Colossus and all the statue frags to bolster his proc rate; but that is more of a nerf than anything as Colossus tends to do less damage than his normal two hits XD
Ike should not be in b tier because he can solo an entire flank by himself with ragnell sword. Doesn't even need support.
Boyd I only used him as an archer because he kept getting assassinated by a 2 man enemy ambush. And of course shinon is just way better at that role due to the super long range
We clearly don't play the same game, my tier list is completely different.
Dastard! Your lack of appreciation for the Lady Lucia shall not be borne!
She comes in too late to be useable. But I think she has the highest swordmaster stats in path of radiance but is fully useless in radiant dawn
Mia should be at least C tier.
Am I the only one who loves Rolf? I cheese the game and make him fight the boss on the map you get him. He’s like lvl 10-11 when I get done and he becomes awesome after that.
You’re not alone. I was surprised at Rolf’s rating, he’s easily the only S tier
Rolf has the highest str at 75, tied with aran. However in path of radiance, Rolf has very low str.
"You need Ike to beat Ashnard"
Just pick Giffca lol
Ashnard is a bitch in HM even with Giffca.
Or Tibarn. Neasala barely hurts ashnard. I'm one of the fewest people to say this, but ashnard is soooooo hideous!! What was nintendo/intelligent systems thinking when they drew ashnard??
Meanwhile, Rolf is my best unit by far, lol.
I use him a little bit more than Boyd
am I the only one who loathes Titania? I use her for the first few chapters, unequipped, sure, in fact I need her. But after that, I never touch her again. In fact I TRIED using her past Chapter 8 but everyone and their mother grows past her - and far. She's useless after those first eight chapters.
That’s actual crazy talk. Even at end game she’s a top 5 unit in terms of stats. Theres nothing to even debate, it’s a mathematical fact.
@@starner00she’s actually not her stats are the worst of the paladins when trained up due to having poor stats for her level like Kieran has base 11 strength Titania has base 12 strength
@@uncappedfoill3188 My dude, there’s entire guides online that thoroughly dissect this game. End game Titania on average has 49 HP, 21 Strength, 25 Skill, 24 Speed, 20 Luck, 19 Defense, and 16 Resistance. So, no. Keirian will end with better Strength, but that’s really about it. Everything else she’s either about the same or better. Pretending there’s a drop off is genuinely funny.
She's good for training your other units and weaken enemies. However, she's still the best of all the cav troops, with Astrid Oscar being pretty good too since they are mounted archers.
lethe, stefan, muriam higher.
Astrid, Tanith, Geoffrey and Rhys over freakin Nephenee, Mia, Rolf and Zihark.
He's either a mad man, or completely clueless. There is not even consistency in this.
It just makes no sense at all. Even if you prefer "no-baby-sitting" Units, why is Astrid on here? I tried her only once when Oscar died on me and still got disappointed even tho I didn't expect much.
If you prefer mounted units, then why the frick is Devdan, Bastian and Boyd so high? Because all of them are pretty bad or at least mediocre. (Knife on Sage lul)
Boyd is insane. As is Astrid. It’s a statistical fact they’re top units in terms of raw numbers.
Tanith is a flyer, making her better than all of those units.
Rolf is an archer, the worst class in the game and zihark is a foot unit that can only use swords
I did not like nephenee during my playthrough. Too fragile and unreliable for dodging enemies.
@@jason200912 Yeah, like Rhys? :>
@@LordKai1102 yeah. Rhys is hard to lvl up.
Titania is meh. She's a promoted unit that requires insane early investment thatd be better off spent somewhere else when playing on harder difficulty. Meanwhile you put the god tier Nephenee on E tier. Wrath and resolve and nephenee becomes a goddess of war that you can park in the middle and watch her mow down everything not Ashnard and completely outpaces as Devdan in growth who you put at C.
Resolve you don't get until like the second to last chapter in the game. Wr/res is a good combo but it's not worth defining a unit over because you can put it on almost anyone.
Plus I don't know what version of the game you're playing where Titania requires any investment at all. She's a paladin in one of the best games for paladins in the series, with the best weapon combination, who doesn't really fall behind any of your other potential paladins until like 80% of the way through the game, and she's still decent in endgame.
let's not forget Nephenee joins underleveled with negligible bases and can only wield iron lances at base. I'm not saying she can't turn into a great unit if you invest into her but it's getting her that investment which is going to cost you in other places.
As for Devdan, he's a solidly mediocre filler unit. Nothing great but nothing terrible, no complaints from me.
You actually don't invest in her early. She's used to help lvl up your other units and giving them easy kills
Nah the Rolf slander is crazy. My Rolf has never gotten hit, never misses, always has at least 25 crit, and farms xp off of 1 range seize bosses so easily that you don't need to worry about giving him bxp.
Yeah my Rolf is always a beast.
Same here, I just don't deploy him since he is awful, problem solved
I hate to bash this, but I love challenging and rewarding character builds and just played through hard.
1.) Rolf is GOATed as S Tier. Use Occult and him having Deadeye can clear a map almost soloing with great strength, speed, luck, and skill! He’s a crit machine, double attack heavy machine. Toss him a Shade skill and he’s unstoppable.
2. …..Titianna…..
3. Kieran VERY rough and requires a lot of protection/ investment of items. Oscar is probably my fave.
4. Hear me out, if you ever play through again, sothe is top tier thief. Dudes skills all max fast, and can be a great support to clear all chests and battle.
bros metal thinking rolf aint that good. bro u can almost go through the whole game with only rolf as long as yo get him to lv 10 in the first chapter u get him. and then u put boyd on b teir like boyd sucks cause if he misses once then he dead
Boyd also has average 15 DEF and 12 RES at level 20 warrior (I checked on serenes forest a while ago), and those are not high, when you literally have girls who end up with way more defence than Boyd. Like, how do muscular men like Boyd and Largo have less defence than teenage girls do??
@@SilverHunterN they suck thats why
Ah yes, the Gordin argument. But efen less worthwhile because Rolf joins in chapter 9 while Gordin atleast has the decency to be a member of your starting party. It's also just a terrible argument. I can give the same exact treatment to any other unit in the game and they'll be good, in fact they'll be better then Rolf. His groth rates just don't fix anything. They're all lower then Titania's for gods sake. Also Bows are atrocious in fe9. Double effectives while being locked to 2-range in a game dominated by 1-2 combat? No, thank you. And his stats are also just a big no. I mean 5 strength and 6 speed? He will get doubled while not even doing any damage. And 6 defence? Good luck finding an enemy who doesn't 1-round or even 1-shot Rolf.