Great video. PTZ Cameras have been great so far in our use. Last year we finally move and replaced almost all of our cameras with PTZ cameras. We went with the Fomako brand which are practically the same in functionality and operation as the Avkans cameras. All total, we are running 7 PTZ cams and 3 camcorders. They come into a Blackmagic ATEM 1 m/e 4k switcher for the 2nd floor sanctuary and Studio, and an ATEM Production Studio 4k switcher for the first floor Auditorium/overflow room. The base workflow is SDI from all cameras. But we do take an NDI feed as well for backup monitoring and additional processing in vMix. As well as SRT feeds for a remote production management. We use vMix on the back end primarily for recording, streaming, and additional processing. But also for custom displays like stage monitors.
@@LiveProductionTips My personal setup for my side business is 3 PTZOptics (Gen2) cameras and a Panasonic UX180 camera as my main. I use an ATEm Mini Extreme ISO SDI as of last year, replacing my ATEM 1 m/e that i used as my main mixer for many years. The next upgrade to my mobile setup is to get a hold of some cable I have seen that combines SDI and an ethernet cable into one sheath. That would really cleanup my long distance wiring to my PTZ cameras. Another little rig that I put together that worked pretty well in a pinch for a couple of jobs. I setup a wireless remote rig far from the switcher using a PTZ cam on a high stand, with a Hollyland Mars 400S video transmitter, and a small cheap WiFi bridge that puts the camera onto my private wifi network. It worked out fantastic for 2 jobs, till the Wifi bridge burnt out in the middle of a third job. It was a Very cheap unit I got from Amazon. I guess you get what you pay for. Still the idea of the rig worked very well. So I will probably be looking to get a more reliable WiFi bridge unit. (Though, wired will always be my preferred method for setup.) The only real extended wiring the rig needed was to plug into a nearby outlet for power. Even then, if I can find a wifi bridge that can run DC voltages down into the 5-12v range, I can truly make the entire rig wireless.
Hi thanks for the video. I have some pictures and questions to ask about it because Im actually buying cameras and switcher for a church. I don't know how I'm going to share the pictures here
This video brings me great joy. I just got an AVKANS E20 PTZ camera and Joystick. I know NOTHING about networking and I am thoroughly confused in setting up the IP configuration between the camera, joystick, laptop and switch. I was somewhat relieved to hear you say that the AVKANS manual is not really clear and helpful. Do you have a video or know where I can get clear instructions on what numbers to input and how to get these devices to work? I am having very limited success, and I don't really know how I did that. Thank you so much for your channel, I look forward to more useful videos.
@@kaffepojke not sure which controller you have but this is the best video I recommend from my channel: th-cam.com/video/bIRfpwLBGCs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=AJED77GX_Cxubwec
I am just waiting for video camcorders that will output video to ethernet just like HDMI and SDI and then a video switcher with ethernet input connections just like HDMI and SDI video switcher. Such a technology will help us connect camcorders easily over a long distance at less cost with good video quality output better than SDI and HDMI and moreover have a durable cable system than HDMI that is always proned to breakages.
@LiveProductionTips yeah. What you are saying is NDI type. I found out zoomking company in china. They have such a video switcher, but that works with only their ptz cameras. It does what a normal video switcher does, plus ptz functionalities. Just like atem mini hdmi switcher will support any other camera brand outputing via hdmi, so should the ethernet video switcher work to support any brand of camera that output via ethernet and finally will have a usb out that will connect to a pc for live streaming or recording and that's what i meant. Thank you very much for your videos
I'd want you to help with recommending a budget audio mixer for church livestreaming; how to connect it with a pc and use it with ptz camera's to stream . please help
@@B.tabernacleuyo1 that would probably be an analog mixer. I was about to suggest a digital mixer but it’s way beyond your budget. How many channels you need ?
Thanks for the feedback sir. I'd need about 4 channels, but if you can suggest a digital mixer with a low budget I'd like to know it along side what analog options are available. With your experience I'm sure you'd know the best bet for sound quality balance.
Awesome stuff! How do I connect ATEM mini pro and RGBlink mini pro together? I've got a PTZ camera with NDI and will get another camera soon; will definitely get a PoE switch. We've got 2 systems, one for live streaming (vMix) and the other ProPresenter (2 screen/monitors). Your advise will be appreciated.
It all depends on how you want to run the show, you can send your main output from the Atem to RBBlink or the opposite, Atem mini to RGBlink mini. That way all the inputs from one switcher will show up to the other as you switch. Also if you go the hardware route you may end up not using NDI which is fine
thanks for the info, great stuff. do you use a hardware encoder to live stream? what kind? do you find there's any advantages to using SDI instead of using NDI? cheers
Thanks a lot. I use the Atem mini pro and yes NDI is fantastic but I prefer a physical switcher because it allows me to add more cameras that may not have NDI functionality. I also try to avoid having multiple tasks performed by the same computer. Everyone’s setup is different though
@@LiveProductionTips Ahh I see, It has a build in encoder. Would you say its more cost effective and more multi functional to go NDI all the way instead of hardware video switchers and capture cards? I have an old Atem Studio HD and I'm planning to upgrade the rig and recently understood the power of NDI thinking it might be best to just convert all the video sources to NDI with adapters such as birddog, send it to the network and mix it all with a powerful computer. this would mean I don't need capture cards, cables, video switchers etc etc. do you see any problems with this? cheers
@@MusicNest it depends on how many cameras you are using. To be honest I have never used NDI with more than 2 inputs. In my opinion it’s better to rely on a hardware than a software especially when live streaming with many cameras. It’s not wrong but you are trusting your computer to handle many tasks… not because it wouldn’t work but it may be a little risky in case something goes wrong with your network, or you computer crushes, or one of the software, etc.. You can experiment and see what happens though
@@LiveProductionTips Right you are mate, ya legend! Stability is of paramount importance, do you think the greatest load on the computer would be the encoding part? Perhaps to reduce the load can leave the encoding part to hardware, do you think using the inbuilt HDMI out would suffice or should get a dedicated video out hardware? Cheers mate, really appreciate it ☺️
@@MusicNest I always recommend a dedicated switcher, it’s ok to encode through the computer but don’t let it do both switching and encoding. The more you rely less on the computer the better
If you use the Atem mini extrême you can get a multiview of all the cameras via HDMI connection or with the controller you still get to preview the cameras
@@LiveProductionTips thanks for your feedback. I don't have access to multiview. So are you saying if the ptz is connected to the network I can view live from maybe browser
@@chadlynch5313 To get multiview you need to connect to Atem mini extrême or Pro via HDMI. If you wanna use the web you need to access through its IP adress which I don’t recommend if you have multiple cameras, if it’s just one camera then yes. If your camera has NDI that’s another option
For church live streaming, everything I will need for a start, a digital audio mixer, PTZ camera, etc but I have a iphone. Can you help please? Obviously I will pay for your service. Any contact to reach you
@@LiveProductionTips yes, (+) : sensor APS-C, 24 Mpixels , Auto Focus, compact, usb-c with power Bank, output HDMI up to 4K 30p, choice of lens ; (-) no zoom remote control, no tilt head move, no ethernet.
@@LiveProductionTips I think so, because your title is indeed streaming, precisely, we can compare to show that a TPZ cannot compete with a larger sensor when you need image quality in very difficult light conditions . And so this very small sony palie has almost identical cost, dimension, but for a specific use which is low light.
@@fabmartel I agree with you on the sensor size and image quality. For most people who want PTZ cameras is because they’re limited in resources they want the convinience of having one person control multiple cameras and possibly streaming at the same time. 2 people can run a show with 5 PTZ but if you had 5 Mirrorless you would definitely need at least 4 operators. And yes if I was to choose between the two and had no limitations in regards to stuff mirrorless Is way better (!sensor size, interchangeable lens , dynamic range, price etc…)
Hi, great report Does your ATEM Mini extreme iso get as hot on the bottom as mine? If so do you have a solution because of the heat? I look forward to an answer from you. Kind regards from Austria, Michael
Hi yes time to time even the Atem mini pro may get hot the only solution is to place it and we’ll ventilated place to allow air flow. Also maybe shut it down whenever it’s not being used.
You must be a genius, Thank you for your kind comment， you did a good job telling people how to use a ptz camera and what kinds of ptz camera is useful, anyway, thank you!
A switcher is not a replacement for NDI. I am waiting for an atem NDI. 8 channels will do. When bringing in NDI streams from different locations it would be nice not having to convert NDI to HDMI to be used in atem, only for the output to be converted to NDI again.
Good point. Did you consider checking Newtek switchers ? They have built in NDI sources obviously because Newtek invented the technology. Price may be a little higher than Atem though.
@@LiveProductionTips At the moment I am building two "home" studios, so price is a concern. First proof of concept will use a birddog play to get NDI into an atem. After that we will hopefully find the backing to scale into production. At that point we will have a look around again. 6 months to a year. By the way for audio we are getting 2x Mackie dlz. The latest firmware added NDI. So basically you can route audio over the internet between them 😁
@@LiveProductionTips it's more a panel project. Up to 4 panel members and two hosts. And renting/buying a location is more expensive than sending a ptz and monitor to each. Now we just need to see if we can get 6 streams into the home studio over glass fiber internet. And although I don't have any BMD gear yet (getting the editor keyboard in December, also for the studio resolve license) I am a huge fan of what they are doing. So I am hoping Atem is an option. Specially since I don't need to record through atem, NDI gets recorded in parallel. That's the basic idea. For now I am mostly financing it myself, I quit smoking so now I can save between 6 and 8 hundred a month. I expect to need between one and two years to get everything in place.
I've been speaking with black magic, and it seems like the only way you're able to connect third-party devices is over a wired connection. Anything outside of a black magic camera will not work wirelessly. It has to be wired if it's not proprietary.
Can you share a link to the church where these cameras are being used?? Thanks
thank you sir. you are giving us options to consider for every size of a team
Absolutely. Pick one that fits your needs and budget
Great video. PTZ Cameras have been great so far in our use. Last year we finally move and replaced almost all of our cameras with PTZ cameras. We went with the Fomako brand which are practically the same in functionality and operation as the Avkans cameras. All total, we are running 7 PTZ cams and 3 camcorders. They come into a Blackmagic ATEM 1 m/e 4k switcher for the 2nd floor sanctuary and Studio, and an ATEM Production Studio 4k switcher for the first floor Auditorium/overflow room. The base workflow is SDI from all cameras. But we do take an NDI feed as well for backup monitoring and additional processing in vMix. As well as SRT feeds for a remote production management. We use vMix on the back end primarily for recording, streaming, and additional processing. But also for custom displays like stage monitors.
Awesome setup
@@LiveProductionTips Thanks. Same to you!
@@LiveProductionTips My personal setup for my side business is 3 PTZOptics (Gen2) cameras and a Panasonic UX180 camera as my main. I use an ATEm Mini Extreme ISO SDI as of last year, replacing my ATEM 1 m/e that i used as my main mixer for many years.
The next upgrade to my mobile setup is to get a hold of some cable I have seen that combines SDI and an ethernet cable into one sheath. That would really cleanup my long distance wiring to my PTZ cameras.
Another little rig that I put together that worked pretty well in a pinch for a couple of jobs. I setup a wireless remote rig far from the switcher using a PTZ cam on a high stand, with a Hollyland Mars 400S video transmitter, and a small cheap WiFi bridge that puts the camera onto my private wifi network. It worked out fantastic for 2 jobs, till the Wifi bridge burnt out in the middle of a third job.
It was a Very cheap unit I got from Amazon. I guess you get what you pay for.
Still the idea of the rig worked very well. So I will probably be looking to get a more reliable WiFi bridge unit. (Though, wired will always be my preferred method for setup.)
The only real extended wiring the rig needed was to plug into a nearby outlet for power.
Even then, if I can find a wifi bridge that can run DC voltages down into the 5-12v range, I can truly make the entire rig wireless.
Hi thanks for the video. I have some pictures and questions to ask about it because Im actually buying cameras and switcher for a church. I don't know how I'm going to share the pictures here
Join my Facebook group link in description and share the pictures there
This video brings me great joy. I just got an AVKANS E20 PTZ camera and Joystick. I know NOTHING about networking and I am thoroughly confused in setting up the IP configuration between the camera, joystick, laptop and switch. I was somewhat relieved to hear you say that the AVKANS manual is not really clear and helpful. Do you have a video or know where I can get clear instructions on what numbers to input and how to get these devices to work? I am having very limited success, and I don't really know how I did that. Thank you so much for your channel, I look forward to more useful videos.
@@kaffepojke not sure which controller you have but this is the best video I recommend from my channel: th-cam.com/video/bIRfpwLBGCs/w-d-xo.htmlsi=AJED77GX_Cxubwec
So you have to connect the hdmi as well to the video switcher aside from connecting it using ethernet thru the ptz controller?
@@jvaz777 yes if you want you can skip that and use NDI
I am just waiting for video camcorders that will output video to ethernet just like HDMI and SDI and then a video switcher with ethernet input connections just like HDMI and SDI video switcher. Such a technology will help us connect camcorders easily over a long distance at less cost with good video quality output better than SDI and HDMI and moreover have a durable cable system than HDMI that is always proned to breakages.
The technology exist already just need the right type of cameras. Starting from NDI, it just doesn't look like what you imagine right now.
@LiveProductionTips yeah. What you are saying is NDI type. I found out zoomking company in china. They have such a video switcher, but that works with only their ptz cameras. It does what a normal video switcher does, plus ptz functionalities. Just like atem mini hdmi switcher will support any other camera brand outputing via hdmi, so should the ethernet video switcher work to support any brand of camera that output via ethernet and finally will have a usb out that will connect to a pc for live streaming or recording and that's what i meant.
Thank you very much for your videos
@@ebentechstudio that’s an exciting feature. I think that’s what’s next. Most newer cameras now have Ethernet port
Do you have any footage taken with AVKAN cameras? Thank you
Yes I will try to upload in my Facebook group since I cannot upload here but in my next reviews I will be including footage
I suspect that all brands are he same bearing in mind that only Panasonic and Sony produce sensors to those cameras
I'd want you to help with recommending a budget audio mixer for church livestreaming; how to connect it with a pc and use it with ptz camera's to stream . please help
What’s your budget
@@LiveProductionTips I'm in Nigeria, but anything around the 200usd range?
@@B.tabernacleuyo1 that would probably be an analog mixer. I was about to suggest a digital mixer but it’s way beyond your budget. How many channels you need ?
Thanks for the feedback sir. I'd need about 4 channels, but if you can suggest a digital mixer with a low budget I'd like to know it along side what analog options are available. With your experience I'm sure you'd know the best bet for sound quality balance.
Keep in mind I'd like to know how I'm inputting the mixed sounds to the PC for obs to read. Thanks.
How good is the Avkans in low light?
Not bad but no very good either. See it as a MFT maybe with a 2.8 aperture lens. I know it’s rough comparison but in short you need good lighting
oK..But there is another cable is it coming from the PTZ camerra?
Which one ?
dO YOU USE CAPTURE CARD AS WELL? @@LiveProductionTips
@@christopherpierre7350 Atem mini extrême
can any PTZ's go direct from the cam to the atem mini switcher?
Most PTZ have HDMI output even SDI so yes
Awesome stuff!
How do I connect ATEM mini pro and RGBlink mini pro together? I've got a PTZ camera with NDI and will get another camera soon; will definitely get a PoE switch. We've got 2 systems, one for live streaming (vMix) and the other ProPresenter (2 screen/monitors). Your advise will be appreciated.
It all depends on how you want to run the show, you can send your main output from the Atem to RBBlink or the opposite, Atem mini to RGBlink mini.
That way all the inputs from one switcher will show up to the other as you switch.
Also if you go the hardware route you may end up not using NDI which is fine
@Live Production Tips & Tools Thanks for your reply.
Is it possible to have a schematics of how this can be done please? 🙏🙏
@@souls2him173 email me: liveproductiontips@gmail.com this can’t be done here in the comments section. It’s a lot of information
@@LiveProductionTips Will do. Thank you.
thanks for the info, great stuff. do you use a hardware encoder to live stream? what kind? do you find there's any advantages to using SDI instead of using NDI? cheers
Thanks a lot. I use the Atem mini pro and yes NDI is fantastic but I prefer a physical switcher because it allows me to add more cameras that may not have NDI functionality. I also try to avoid having multiple tasks performed by the same computer. Everyone’s setup is different though
@@LiveProductionTips Ahh I see, It has a build in encoder. Would you say its more cost effective and more multi functional to go NDI all the way instead of hardware video switchers and capture cards? I have an old Atem Studio HD and I'm planning to upgrade the rig and recently understood the power of NDI thinking it might be best to just convert all the video sources to NDI with adapters such as birddog, send it to the network and mix it all with a powerful computer. this would mean I don't need capture cards, cables, video switchers etc etc. do you see any problems with this? cheers
@@MusicNest it depends on how many cameras you are using. To be honest I have never used NDI with more than 2 inputs. In my opinion it’s better to rely on a hardware than a software especially when live streaming with many cameras. It’s not wrong but you are trusting your computer to handle many tasks… not because it wouldn’t work but it may be a little risky in case something goes wrong with your network, or you computer crushes, or one of the software, etc.. You can experiment and see what happens though
@@LiveProductionTips Right you are mate, ya legend! Stability is of paramount importance, do you think the greatest load on the computer would be the encoding part? Perhaps to reduce the load can leave the encoding part to hardware, do you think using the inbuilt HDMI out would suffice or should get a dedicated video out hardware? Cheers mate, really appreciate it ☺️
@@MusicNest I always recommend a dedicated switcher, it’s ok to encode through the computer but don’t let it do both switching and encoding. The more you rely less on the computer the better
Question? How do you switch from hdmi to sdi on the avkans 20x
You can an HDMI to SDI adaptor. I believe Black Magic Design has some. Or if your switcher is SDI you can use SDI on the PTZ camera instead of HDMI
Hi, Does this device allow you to view the ptz from the browser for monitoring if you don't have access to Multiview for all cam inputs.
If you use the Atem mini extrême you can get a multiview of all the cameras via HDMI connection or with the controller you still get to preview the cameras
@@LiveProductionTips thanks for your feedback. I don't have access to multiview. So are you saying if the ptz is connected to the network I can view live from maybe browser
@@chadlynch5313 To get multiview you need to connect to Atem mini extrême or Pro via HDMI. If you wanna use the web you need to access through its IP adress which I don’t recommend if you have multiple cameras, if it’s just one camera then yes. If your camera has NDI that’s another option
@@LiveProductionTips OK understood.. Thanks . I have a mini pro but my mutliview stopped working.
@@chadlynch5313 how many cameras you have ?
For church live streaming, everything I will need for a start, a digital audio mixer, PTZ camera, etc but I have a iphone. Can you help please? Obviously I will pay for your service. Any contact to reach you
Yes you can reach out: liveproductiontips@gmail.com
Sony ZV-E10 is my favorite cam for stream multi plans
It’s a great camera for sure.
@@LiveProductionTips yes, (+) : sensor APS-C, 24 Mpixels , Auto Focus, compact, usb-c with power Bank, output HDMI up to 4K 30p, choice of lens ; (-) no zoom remote control, no tilt head move, no ethernet.
@@fabmartel you cannot compare the ZV-E10 or any other Mirrorless to PTZ cameras they are made for 2 different use cases.
@@LiveProductionTips I think so, because your title is indeed streaming, precisely, we can compare to show that a TPZ cannot compete with a larger sensor when you need image quality in very difficult light conditions . And so this very small sony palie has almost identical cost, dimension, but for a specific use which is low light.
@@fabmartel I agree with you on the sensor size and image quality. For most people who want PTZ cameras is because they’re limited in resources they want the convinience of having one person control multiple cameras and possibly streaming at the same time. 2 people can run a show with 5 PTZ but if you had 5 Mirrorless you would definitely need at least 4 operators. And yes if I was to choose between the two and had no limitations in regards to stuff mirrorless Is way better (!sensor size, interchangeable lens , dynamic range, price etc…)
Hi, great report
Does your ATEM Mini extreme iso get as hot on the bottom as mine?
If so do you have a solution because of the heat?
I look forward to an answer from you.
Kind regards from Austria, Michael
Hi yes time to time even the Atem mini pro may get hot the only solution is to place it and we’ll ventilated place to allow air flow. Also maybe shut it down whenever it’s not being used.
@@LiveProductionTips Thanks
You must be a genius, Thank you for your kind comment， you did a good job telling people how to use a ptz camera and what kinds of ptz camera is useful, anyway, thank you!
🙏🙏🙏
A switcher is not a replacement for NDI. I am waiting for an atem NDI. 8 channels will do.
When bringing in NDI streams from different locations it would be nice not having to convert NDI to HDMI to be used in atem, only for the output to be converted to NDI again.
Good point. Did you consider checking Newtek switchers ? They have built in NDI sources obviously because Newtek invented the technology. Price may be a little higher than Atem though.
@@LiveProductionTips At the moment I am building two "home" studios, so price is a concern. First proof of concept will use a birddog play to get NDI into an atem. After that we will hopefully find the backing to scale into production. At that point we will have a look around again. 6 months to a year.
By the way for audio we are getting 2x Mackie dlz. The latest firmware added NDI. So basically you can route audio over the internet between them 😁
@@annebokma4637 Awesome projects. Why do you need that much NDI ? Will these studio be for news broadcast?
@@LiveProductionTips it's more a panel project. Up to 4 panel members and two hosts. And renting/buying a location is more expensive than sending a ptz and monitor to each. Now we just need to see if we can get 6 streams into the home studio over glass fiber internet.
And although I don't have any BMD gear yet (getting the editor keyboard in December, also for the studio resolve license) I am a huge fan of what they are doing. So I am hoping Atem is an option. Specially since I don't need to record through atem, NDI gets recorded in parallel.
That's the basic idea.
For now I am mostly financing it myself, I quit smoking so now I can save between 6 and 8 hundred a month. I expect to need between one and two years to get everything in place.
@@annebokma4637 cool. Make sure you join our Facebook group we would love to see the progress. Links to it in description and About section
When talking to the camera, look down the lens, not at the small viewfinder screen to the side!
Haahaha Thanks. That's why bought a teleprompter
I've been speaking with black magic, and it seems like the only way you're able to connect third-party devices is over a wired connection. Anything outside of a black magic camera will not work wirelessly. It has to be wired if it's not proprietary.
@@Apex_Media_Productions yes it’s wired only
@LiveProductionTips yea, I was afraid of that. I appreciate the response!
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Hi. Please 🙏, can I have your contact???
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