Lovol TB554 Long Term Review - Are Chinese Tractors Worth Buying Yet?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 14 ก.ค. 2024
- After spending 2 years and 157 hours with this "new design" 4wd 55hp Foton-Lovol utility tractor made in China, it's time for a review. This tractor is on the same chassis as the TB404, TB454, and TB504 (I believe it's really designed as a 45hp chassis, it seems smaller than most 55hp tractors). It is also identical to the Northern Tool Nortrac 45XT and 55XT tractors. If you're curious about buying one of these, check out this video.
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A mate has just last week purchased the Australian version of this 55 hp 4x4 - yes we expect a few minor issues with minor items that won’t effect the actual performance of the tractor - but these things won’t cause us the grief they seem to give you.
Purchase was through Tanner Track in Melbourne Victoria Australia- David the owner of this business is very knowledgeable about his Lovol tractors and we are confident about any support we will need from him - this is the advantage of dealing with a good local agent/supplier how knows his stuff.
As someone who owns this tractor, I haven't had any of these issues you have, its an amazing little machine that does more than you think it will.
Greetings from Sweden.
well, that's the thing with Chinese equipment, the quality control doesn't really exist so buying it is like playing the lottery. Sometimes you get something good and most of the time you get something bad.
I am a retired CDN expat living in remote SE Thailand . I bought a Tavol 704 directly from China. I dumped my Kubota.(no front end loader or backhoe available in Thailand). The container was supposed to leave China today. I will review this whole process from the start so you can compare if you like.
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Updates please
Where is the update as promised
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Still alive? Update?
Western manufacturers of tractors have advanced so far with electronics, precise transmission, good cabin it rose price of all tractor in line from 80-150 hp. People in East Europe need tractors to replace older ones, but their options are 10-20 years old used tractors which usually require transmission and electronics overhaul. That is where Chinese tractors fill the gap. In my country YTO has a pretty good reputation for being reliable and powerful tractor with simple analog FIat mechanics. We bought new YTO 1304 (130hp) it had few assembly problems like hoses leak from cabin, and a faulty low pressure pump but technicians from representative firm Agrovojvodina took care of that in one day.
It would be great if Western Manufacturers had a line of quality analog tractors for poorer markets with nice cabin, but for now Belarus and Chinese tractors are filling that spot.
Belarus tractor are very expensive
@@RajeshYadav-to5zq Price of Lovol, YTO and Belarus are almost parallel with differences of 1000 dollars in my country. We have two assembly plants, Agropanonka for Belarus and Agrovojvodina for YTO and maybe that is why prices are similar.
Does Belarus import complete tractor from country or does it assemble it in your country?
This topic is in my opinion really important for these Chinese brands. You should definitely realize, that you don't buy from the brand but from a good dealer, because they will be the quality control, the tech support, parts service etc. And at least here in western Europe it probably needs to be the dealer who sold you the tractor. Most repair shops can't get parts from them as they are not really integrated in the common parts systems. They will work on your 30 year old Deutz, Fendt, Fiat, IHC no problem, but they probably cant get parts for a Lovol.
Not even mentioning the chance of your dealer/importer going bankrupt and maybe having no source in your country for parts. It might not happen, but it is a risk able to render you machine useless.
From what I've seen of these tractors in real life, I am not supersized by the mentioned gearbox issues, they sound horrible when they shift or brake. The loaders also seem horrible with a lot of play, as if they forgot to install bearings. The filter placement seems random and sometimes in dangerous places if you wanted to take them to the forest.
Paint also seems to ship away quickly.
At least they have the proper exhaust, but they come from dealers, so they hopefully take some pride in what they sells.
Which is another point here in Germany. They mostly target horse owners and other hobby users, because the small Kubota or Deutz tractors are usually to expensive fro them and it sounds really good to buy a new tractor for the same price as a used old one. Especially if you are the typical horse owner that is not into mechanics and fixing their stuff and the new tractor seems smaller and nimbler. And this market seems to be full, everybody and their dog is trying to import some new cool brand from China or India with even more features on the sales sheet. When I see these adds I often get the feeling, that they don't care about the product and have no problem with screwing over a person who does know nothing about tractors, in fact that's their plan.
I mean probably isn't any different when you buy a used tractor from some guy, but as a professional I should have some proud and dignity in what I do.
Additionally I would also say that as mentioned before the target group is also different. If I understand it correctly, there is just a lack of tractors in that size and price range in Eastern Europe. Which makes sense looking at how farming worked during soviet times. And here in Eastern Europe during the fifties up to like the early nineties farmers grew their farms and always bought bigger and newer tractors with a lot of competition. Of course there were many bad tractors, but they are all long gone so there are still a lot of 20-60hp tractors from that time that are unstoppable and probably mechanically on a similar niveau as the chinese ones. And farmers got rid of them because they needed bigger machines, not because they were completely worn out (often enough). So there is actually a good second hand market and people have the choice to buy these tractors. They have a good dealer and parts network and there will be parts for them in 10 or fifteen years. So they are a good alternative, especially if you plan a budget to maybe repair some bushings or a clutch.
Especially because the target audience are hobby users. They probably can life without an enclosed air conditioned cab.
And for professionals here, they probably want the reliability and ease of use and service of a new tractor with a good dealer network, so probably see the value in buying a premium brand like Iseki, Kubota, MF or Deutz even in that size range.
It is probably similar in Kanada and thus I guess quite the different situation to your East European market and of course all in all the problems are all more from the "luxury" categories of course.
@humbucker0076 That is a pretty good conclusion.
I took a Chinese tractor because the net of dealers is good, assembly plant is 200km from my town, parts are plentiful, price is cheap and for 10 years that tractor proved well on the market.
I noticed that US and Canadian farmers are buying brand of tractors whose dealer is the closest to their farm. It doesn't matter if they like that brand or not, the dealer is there to provide service when ever is needed.
But as you said, there are scalper types who just buy these small tractors in China, ship them in Germany and sell them quickly without making a net for spare parts, warranty and regular services.
In my country people had issues with a importer of Turkish Başak tractor. 30 farmers ordered tractors and only 5 of them got them. Others were pressing charges against importer, asked for refund and even went on TV. I don't remeber well how it ended, but I think they got refunded in the end.
Thank you for your honesty in your vídeos. Best Regards from Portugal
Thankyou for this review, not looking at this brand anymore!
Dude thank you for sharing your experience with this tractor. Its a nightmare. You saved me alot of headache.
yeah thats why were looking at getting a kubota wich is so much easyer and parts are affordable
Extra spool on the left is flow and return activated when the lift arm is in fully up position. Can be used for a ram on a tipping trailer. Few people use it.
Do you know if the 3pt arms stay up when you tap into that circuit, or do they need to be strapped up?
Will this fit inside a shipping container@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223
Thanks for a honest review!!
I like how Frank you are talking about your experience with the tractor I’ve just recently discovered the tractor and was thinking about purchasing one directly from the manufacture it’ll be great if you could go into more detail about the purchase that would be great thank you
It's been a few years so the process may have changed somewhat. I got in touch with Lovol and told them I wanted a TB455 and asked for a price list on options and implements. Once we figured out what I was all ordering and what I was going to pay (the tractor itself was $14,900USD and I don't remember what the rest cost), I asked them to quote shipping CIF to my nearest port (Vancouver at the time). That was around $5000CAD. This process essentially made me an importer, which is a quagmire you don't want to step into, so I hired an import broker to deal with the carrier and customs paperwork. That cost somewhere around $2500 IIRC, although that included the taxes payable to the government on the tractor. Then I was responsible for getting the container it was in out of port, unloaded, and returned, I was able to tap a local warehouser with their own trucking company to deal with that (I believe that was close to $1000). I experienced an extra hiccup when customs decided to hold the container arbitrarily for inspection and took their sweet time getting to it, which ended up costing me another $3500 in demurrage charges (basically late fees for getting the container returned to the carrier, there is no way to predict this and it's just a risk involved with shipping and importing). When the container was finally released I headed over to the warehouser with my trailer and picked the tractor and implements up, they took care of unloading and returning the seacan. You can also just hire a trucking company to bring the container to you, but you'll need a way to unload the container and contents, which at the time I did not. Hope this helps
Not an exaggeration...but I had a deal in place to get a 554 and saw this review...I'm going to pay more for the peace of mind of a Kubota.
Thank you! You saved a bad decision.
Where have you been for my first 40 years!!
Nothing worse than dropping a pile of money on something that you later regret. You won't regret a Kubota!
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 my update is after lots of research into issues with the regen system on the Kubota I got a CK3510SE Kioti and I really am loving it.
Now that I am used to a 35hp I want bigger.. much bigger.
@@andrewkmac3507 From what I understand Kioti is South Korean, and you can't go wrong there either. Volvo makes most of its excavators there. I hear you on the horsepower, if mine really does make 55hp it's nowhere near enough!
If you think Kubota doesn't have problems just go ahead and buy one while you're at it go to the drugstore and buy a great big bottle of Tylenol cuz you're going to need it
@@dalepaul8153 The point is not that kubota doesn’t have issues, but rather that you have piece of mind that they actually care about the satisfaction of their customers with their products… and that parts are easy to get.
Cheers man saved me quite the head ache I think
I went with a Kubota for a few reasons - the financing couldn't be beat, the honest-to-goodness quality was there, the dealership was very helpful on a previous rental, and that dealership is 3 miles from my land. I paid for it all, no doubt, but the support is there when I need it. That peace of mind has an almost tangible value to it.
not anymore
Just subbed bro nice video 👍
Thanks for the heads-up! A local dealer recently brought these in, they already sell the TYM which is a heck of a lot better quality. I'll definitely spend the extra money and go with a quality tractor.
TYM is definitely better. Generally Korean stuff is pretty good
Do you still have this and have you replaced any more filters aside from the engine oil filter? I'm trying to find fuel and hydraulic filter in a USA market.
Block of wood holding the bonnet up is the most reliable part
Block of wood? No block of wood there, the struts are holding it up on their own. I doubt they'll be in the fight 5 years from now but they're doing the job so far
I was considering buying a Chinese tractor. We looked at a few of them. In the end we decided against it and spent the extra money to buy a Kubota. After watching this video I’m glad we did. It cost more money. However we got a zero percent finance deal and the resale value on tractors similar to ours high. I’ve seen a few second hand Kubotas around ten years old with up to 1000 hours and the price is within 10% of what we paid for ours. So I think if it’s looked after & not abused it should be a good long term investment.
Good review. In Aus they sell these things at what sounds like an expensive price for the issues you’ve shown. Generally you can get a Kioti for about 10% more and a Deere or Kubota for 30% more. Worth the extra.
Thank you, I currently have a Mahindra and it is utter garbage, I saw the Lovol on special and as I am looking to replace the Mahindra, it was considered. Your review gave me the information I needed to steer away from more junk.
Hello there,
Pretty full description. I'm also looking for those kinds of farmer machines for technical reviews and see if there are compatibilities with common US or Europeans machines.
I'll greatly appreciate if you could let me know where you purchased it for me to go and get one.
Cheers.
I just bought a 2007 404 at auction for $3,700. It appears to be in new condition with no signs of use. We'll see how that works out. I'm going to change the oil now. Thanks for the tip. It's totally different from my Farmtrac, which is basically a legacy Ford made in India. Again, a clunky transmission with no synchronizers, but no real problems. Foton is a heavier-design. Probably something to do with Stalinism.
That sounds like a great deal, I hope it works out for you!
Hey, any feedback on them farmtrac(bravado) wanting to buy a ft6090
1953 Ford Jubilee had the same hydraulic pump setup.
I wonder why it isn't more common? Seems to make sense from a serviceability standpoint to have the transmission and hydraulic systems isolated
Very informative, thanks a lot!
Sure you are not just overfilling the head tank on the radiator - seems like level should be about 1” below top when cold - then it expands to just below the cap after warm up - this is how old style radiators worked that didn’t have an expansion bottle We used to fill the old style radiator (without an expansion bottle) to the top - then expect some overflow during the first run - then on checking when cold level would be 1” down this was normal.
That tractor looks about as well built and reliable as The IH 674 we bought new in 1977 (God it was a joke!)
Have you checked the relief valve settings before whinging about the hydraulics being weak - sometimes just a few hundred psi can make a big difference!
Well, the review is thorough and to the point, good job and thanks for taking the time to showcase this brand. I expected nothing less and no more than what you have shown. If you looked up just a handful of quality components, you will find that $15,000dollars is just impossible to make a tractor for. And so it shows with everything that matters :(
I am a JD nut, but I am absolutely impressed with Kubota. They too have external pumps, great warranty and use the quality parts in the right places.
Never buy JD, they are engineered worse and worse every year, while prices are going up.
Buy some lucas hydraulic oil booster for those leaks. Also checkout their trans additive. I have a china 55 hp 4x4 backhoe and the lucas stopped the only leak I had.
The worst of the leakage is at the loader fittings, snake oil won't touch that. I'll have to replace them at some point. Trans additive won't help either, the inner bits just aren't machined to proper tolerances, if gears are gonna grind then they're gonna grind regardless of oil. I've tried 75w140 semi synth gear oil but have since gone back to TDH, it was the same amount of grind but with a reduction in power to the ground and PTO.
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 worked great on my china bui
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 I see your point.
Thanks for sharing. Where in Canada are you located?
I guess the thing with this kind purchase is to get away cheep! Its clearly a risk! If your willing to take it, you could be lucky and you could be unlucky! Depends on what your are going to use it for and how much! It looks pretty solid !
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Absolutely it's a risk, and not one that should be taken without caution and preparation. This one has been reasonably reliable so far, although it only has around 200 hours on it right now. That's a bit early to say whether or not something is reliable. But these days it's looking like even more of a bargain, just the other day I saw some guy trying to get $12K for a 1960's Deere that didn't even have a loader.
Think you will find that hydraulic tank is just a surge tank there is also hydraulic oil in the compartment on top of the transmission that this tank connects to - letting the oil level down a little in that upper tank won’t be a problem.
I have a Chinese tractor that doesn’t have this surge tank - you just fill the top compartment to a little over 1/2 full - never a problem.
Thanks man that was really good! Like you i'm willing to sacrifice the 100%new equipment confidence to save 30k. As far as parts go I live in the middle of nowhere. Alaska anyways, so it's not like anything's close. I might as well wait a couple weeks for the mail.. I'm trying to compare some of the chinese brands, My neighbor had really good luck with Jinma tractors and a south korean brand that I can't remember the name of right now. With the outrageously inflated prices of everything needs days plus that twenty or thirty percent "shipping"alaska price hike I think some of these off brands make the most sense financially. No doubt there are exceptions but even North American companies have outsourced to China. So why pay 40% more? Just because there's a dealer nearby that can charge too much to work on it after they've pretended to do a thorough review of the warrantythey were going to deny anyway? I'm not sure how Canada works. But did you have to sales tax for your tractor? Also
Also did you assemble yours yourself? The jinma my neighbor got in 08 came in a crate we took 2 days to assemble it, really easy and fortunately none of the same problems you've described. Thanks again great video exactly what I'm looking for. It would be awesome if someone compared just the Asia manufacturers
Go out and buy a Jinma.I have two of them,one is a 2524 with creeper gear nasty critter ALL POWER the other is 2824 with shuttle shift hate it but is was a good deal if i had it to due all over again i would check the speeds just make sure you order creeper gear trans.I trying to see if i can purchase a transmssion for it with creeper gear and change it myself.Purchased mine from Affordable Tractor in Texas about twenty years ago.Love them three cylinder diesels.They are made to be repaired in the field.
You were right the first time. Four wheel drive.
That strangle valve and connection is probably for outrigger legs.
It’s actually quite expensive tractor for what it is in my country. I have no idea how a poor farmer can afford one of these. Even 25hp Lovol is $8000 🤦🏻♂️ hence why we have used Russian tractors such as Belarus and vladimirec. By the way I’m in Georgia 🇬🇪
Here that's pretty cheap for a tractor, but everything is expensive in Canada. The equivalent tractor to the TB554 in a better name brand like Kubota or John Deere here would go for between $50-60,000 with taxes. The used market for tractors here isn't great too, they're either too expensive or they've been run into the ground and need never ending repairs (or both). There aren't many poor farmers here though, except for the guys who are managing farms for big conglomerates, if you don't have money you can't even get into farming. Land alone is unbelievably expensive here in BC, and they need to have hundreds of thousands of dollars in equipment. It's becoming a rich mans game
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 that’s for reply mate. I’ve got enough land to cultivate and support my family and even sell some of the harvest but the thing is I’ve no equipment 🤷🏻♂️ this is the sad reality here in my country. Land is cheap but life is expensive
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 its absurd down here in the US too. Our new Holland is having issues more and more often. We want to buy a tractor. Used are all almost as expensive as new, cheaper nonetheless, but almost impossible to find. I've only found 5 used tractors that work for us, but they're all John deere and therefore still so expensive.
Land value where we live is going up too, so property taxes are probably what will force us to move out. Our area is 30 minutes from the city, but not part of its County. So all these rich people moved here driving up the taxes, which used to be so much lower than the taxes in the city. It's increased so absurdly fast. It's getting more and more difficult to be an independent farmer.
@@Petrslav Honestly, it's starting to feel like the whole world is going to hell in a handbasket. Things are too expensive, wages aren't keeping up, food keeps going up in price, housing is unaffordable, and everybody is just angry about everything. I'm originally from the Fraser Valley, and was just down there helping my dad on a construction project. Houses up a mountain on crammed onto 5-6000sq/ft lots that are going for $2 million. By leaving the valley I was able to set us up debt free, it's a much more humble lifestyle but it's good.
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 affordable housing is being built in my area now, because this area is extremely desirable. It's $300,000 a house. Absolutely insane. I grew up while this area was getting built up like crazy. I would get birthday cards, Christmas cards, and Easter cards from housing companies who wanted to buy the property off my parents. The world is so crazy right now, it just deeply saddens me. Fortunately wages are increasing down here. Most places are paying living wages now, because so many people are unwilling to work, as they learned you can make more off unemployment than working the abysmal minimum wage. I pray the world figures itself out. Especially the US. I'm a German citizen as well, so if everything keeps going downhill I'll move to Europe.
if you want a tractor just to say you have one then i guess this is a great route to take. im not a farmer.
Why did you get such a big tractor? I'm thinking of getting one of the antique looking 35hp ones and seeing how that goes.
Que tal, ¿podrías hacer un video con el tractor en funcionamiento?, saludos!
I've thought about taking some clips of the tractor working, but I feel like it would be a pretty boring video
Don’t go to hassle of installing an electric valve - just fix the existing valve - probably just an o ring - or put a quality inline valve some were in this coolant line - reaching under bonnet and turning a valve on or off is no big deal when doing your pre start checks.
Hi, I'm from alberta.
What did the shipping cost ?and how long did you have to wait?
Did you ever get a tractor was looking for info
I have the same tractor but with the 5àhp engine has 110 hours now havent had any issue ur talking about except the right door lock doesnt work right and the air conditioning doesnt cool at all almost
It seems that these tractors have a great many varied issues
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 lucky kubota has better build and different options you want wich id think id go for a kubota
@@michaelmactavish1728 If I'd had Kubota money, I'd have definitely gone that route. Orange makes good stuff. But you pay for good stuff, when I was looking at this tractor there were NO reviews at all, so I decided to roll the dice and be the guinea pig.
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 yeah here in pei a dealer only sold 1 lovol tractor and that was it id never seen any more ever seince and the ones bought it they ended up tradeing it in for a kubota because they didnt like like and dealer for lovol couldnt find parts for it so they went shopping around and they bought a great big huge kubota m6-131 a 131hp with loader,bucket,forks,and dubble auger snowblower wich was selling at my dealer for $63,780 wich pretty desent price for a huge tractor with everything
Im ready to go spend on a tractor and the Lovol was in front until i saw this. I may go Kobota but dont want to dish an extra $20k. Tough choice for the amount ill be using this equipment
Then buy a RK if you have a Rural King store near you. They are TYM made in Korea tractors that have a good reputation.
I already made a comment on Jinma tractorsI had an injector go out on me on my 2425 had a five foot bush hog on it and it still had the mussle and power to get done.Well anyway i pulled all injectors out and number three cylinder in back would not atomize'I checked the fuel pump and found out the spring that makes the plundger return waa broken i replaced it with a simler common hardware spring cut it to length with cutweel put it back in fuel pump and fired it up,sureas hell i was back in bussiness'When i ordered oil filters i also got three new original Jinma springs'I do not like to bust on tractors they feed people and do enormess amount work'If they dont work it is usually something very simple or the operator has not educated himself on the manufactors manuals?
This might be a stupid question but they give you any kind of warranty with that purchase?
Nope. But I did get them to send me a new proper PTO shaft for the rototiller I got at the same time, they sent some weird 8 spline deal that didn't fit the tractor and that nobody had any kind of adapter for. They didn't pay for all the shipping though.
Well there goes that idea! Thanks for saving me the misery.
Metal fragments on the gearbox magnetic plug - if the ball of debris is no bigger than the end of your thumb stop stressing --you were non specific about the quantity of this debris! --
I have a Zetor 6245 a 1985 build that always has debris on the magnetic plug - think this is caused by the rough as guts friends that borrow it.
Look for large chunks of metal ie bits of gear teeth and bearing cages - if you find these start to worry, not before.
Ive been looking at some on Alibaba tavol brand i wonder if its the same tractor just with different stickers. I'm in the Philippines but originally from America its been a head ake here trying to find tractors Thank you for sharing
Lovol does make a few other Chinese brands, though they aren't the only tractor manufacturer over there. Unfortunately the others are even worse.
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 I ended up getting a yanmar ym357a with a front loader seems to be a great tractor 120 hours so far and no issues
@@hillbillyinthephilippines303 Good call, Yanmar makes good stuff
Think it will live too see 5000 hours ?
Thanks for the honest review. It is nice to save money on a tractor's initial purchase but if you consider how much more this tractor will cost you over the years not to mention headaches, lost productivity, reliability, and lower resale value did you really get a good deal ? Thanks for the video it is helpful.
Resale value is something I didn't touch on but is a very valid concern with these tractors as well. You're basically stuck with it once it's yours. Even if you can find somebody to buy it, they won't pay much
Every tractor is similar but operators are different I see so many people doing reviews on Toyota and other cars or Fend Johndeer ewen the best tractor in the world it would come with something wrong , in Europe lovol comes with perkins and people who say perkins is bad engine doesn't have clue about engines , I see ewen good brands with dpf having thousands of problems
as a farmer wanabe, this wont work for me.. I cant find the blinker fluid fill hole.
It definitely isn't for the faint of heart. It's still better than a used rig that a farmer has been smacking with a hammer and wrapping up with duct tape and baling wire for the last 30 years, but it should still be better than this.
Why don't we have any Canadian brands?
I'd only buy a tractor where theres a dealer within 50 miles. I never hear of this brand, Jima I have vaguely heard of then there no Chinese tractor dealers I know of near ME.
Do you use gear oil in transmission since you have external hydraulic oil tank? Might make it shift better........
It had TDH originally. I tried 75-140 gear oil on one of my fluid changes but didn't like it, the transmission almost behaved worse and I could feel the power loss to wheels in winter. When I changed it back to TDH the gear oil was insanely aerated too for some reason.
Can you get mid mount pto
As far as I know, no. Comes with rear mount and I think front mount is optional
Please Tell me - why Do you buy it?
Why not a John deere for Exampl?
I believe he mentioned 20-30 thousand difference in price- Imagine JD is on the high end of that
well rember the price ;-)
I found the rear window has a plastic lock that doesn’t hold the window shut at all.
Also the clutch on the 65 get in the way of jumping in and out. Which takes me to the steering wheel I find also get in the way and have tried to lift it with out success.
@@Sparty173 The ergonomics definitely aren't awesome on it, though part of that is just due to its size. The plastic latch on mine could stand to be sturdier but it is working well so far, is yours a different design?
I see alot hate and bs thrown your way about your decision i think saving 10,000 or 20,000 is worth that, whats the buying process on buying from the manufacturer
That electric "connection" behind the hydraulics for the loader didn't look that "heavy duty" 🤭🤣... You will get som problems, that's my guess 🤨.
I wouldn't be surprised either. Pretty typical for Chinese electronics though. It hasn't returned to the elements it was made from yet so it's doing better than expected, usually their connectors have turned into powder by now
The version's they send to Norway can't be compared to this one at all
What are the differences?
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 Same in Sweden, quality control is worlds higher! Gears are tough on start but gets smoother over time, without any loss in power or speed.
@@SwedishFarmer94 Does yours have the same engine as mine? The transmission on mine is slightly smoother than it was originally, however the amount of metal that I've recovered off the drain plug magnet indicates excessive wear. I believe their internal tolerances are far worse than they should be and you end up essentially wearing the transmission out in order to wear it in.
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 i was looking at one here in canada plus they have 10 year warranty but id stay with kubotas wich kubotas are solid build
Their quite reliable I know a few people that's wherry happy with them for snow clearing and forestry work Norway and Sweden has a company that import these tractors and they make sure their delivered with a better cab heater paint and hydraulics plus several other things
check Hinomoto tractors 2022, with yanmar engine
Lol 😆 this is how I feel but I paid more and got the 45 hp.
its strange, it looks better quality is delivered to the Europe in compare to your piece. Price is nice, but still, you changed my mind and I will go far far from Lovol and similar brands. Many thanks for this.
That one hydraulic connection with manual valve isnt just for case of emergency? like when engine is dead and you want to tow it away but arms are down, so you may pump pressure via that connection manually and lift arms that will allow you to tow the tractor away? I am just thinking...
I truly believe the tractor itself is the same since I ordered it direct from Lovol, however it does have a different engine than the ones delivered in much of Europe and it's clear they cut corners to fit that engine into the chassis. I am very curious to know what else might be different, however.
As for the hydraulic connection, this is what a Lovol rep told me: "When you close the cut off valve, the pressure oil cannot go into the lifter cylinder, it will go into the implment cylinder (for exmple, trailler download cylinder), then you can operate the lifter handle to control the implment cylinder." So it would seem to have a specific purpose, perhaps for a single acting cylinder on a dump trailer or some such.
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 well, I never saw metal hydraulic fluid reservoir as you have, just plastic, and also I never saw that strange connection. but that engine version is also not imported here as well. when I talked to owners here, they told me they are happy with their piece, just I am not sure how hard work they do here. and as you said, you are not soft to it, and this is important info for me. I wouldn't be very nice to the tractor as well, and ,hey, its a tractor, should withstand hard job.
here in (former czecho-)Slovakia during communism when we were producing cars or whatever else in factory, there were better quality versions which were exported to the west countries and then rest was rubbish for rest of the world, sorted by quality control. Or also in one factory for mopeds were two workshops, one was focused to the west export with better quality of the same product. :D who knows how it is now there in Lovol factory. :D anyway, good luck with yours, I will watch your experiences with it. I never had a tractor, so I was thinking to buy first one and I am afraid to spent too much but money also afraid to buy crap.
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 my old b6100 Kubota has that option... Early 1980.
Basic gravity hydraulic back fflow just like you 3pt lift
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 That's actually very common thing for older tractors, hence it's really traditional fitting. It's commonly used on small farming really similar what you meant. Farm where I grew up we had dump bucket for rear that had lifting cylinder that raised via that connection and bucket release was actually simple handle. Actually nice to see that even this kind of small tractors these days have so many hydraulic options. Btw you might be interested in looking some Norwegian guy who has made videos of he's Lovol. It seems fairly similar, but even I noticed that he's fluid reservoirs looked different. It definitely looks that EU area gets bit different configuration as you. Notably looks EU model might be quite a bit better. I think that Norwegian channel was Northern light or something very close to that.
I sold alot of them and now we cell them to scrap metal companys because there are no backup from lovol
A lot of folks just see the price tag and don't realize that the reason why the others are so much more expensive is that the parts and repair support network is baked into that price. Chinese equipment in general is only for guys willing to be the support network by themselves
More technical is good
Oh much?
How much?
How much??
For the price they are great
I have had the older version of this tractor since 2013 we have yet to have to put a ranch on it fuel it grease it run it I have been a mechanic for 45 years in the agricultural business been around John deere's case edco you name it and this level tractor for what you pay for it is is a lot better than your domestic brands tough reliable I don't care what brand it is if you put an idiot on it I'm sure he'll find a way to smash it but I have had nothing but the best of luck with the two that I own I have yet to have to run the machine over 1500 RPM to do what I need to do the one I have has a Perkins diesel engine in it and this guy is complaining about stuff that John Deere and case is no better where do you think they're made if they both have a plant in China and they both share parts that are on this machine
Either you sell these, or you're a Chinese shill. Either way, the proof of what I say is in the video. BTW if you don't run your tractors above 1500RPM then you don't know how to use tractors, PTO speed is engine RPM dependant and reaches its rated speed generally in the 2000-2500 engine RPM range. Lastly, Lovol has never put a Perkins engine in anything. They do have cheap knockoff versions, but they couldn't pass Euro and North American emissions standards.
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 those tractors come with 540 and 1,000 PTO if my equipment is equipped with a 540 gearbox I put my PTO in 1000 RPM and run it at half throttle obviously you don't understand how your tractor works or how it can work
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 until 2021 agriculture and off-road equipment did not have to meet EPA I've had these since 2013 and yes it does have a Perkins
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 not only that if you do your research you would find out that lovol actually builds the Cummings engine in Beijing China look it up Beijing Cummings engine plant foton lovol
@@dalepaul8153 Very few attachments run at 1000rpm. How are you running a 540 tiller at half throttle? Not well, I imagine. And that 1000rpm attachment is not going to be happy running half its intended speed. You're just full of it. Emissions requirements for off road engines began phasing in way back in 2006 culminating in Tier 4 in 2018. No your Lovol (if you even have one) does not have a genuine Perkins. No Lovol does not have anything to do with Cummins (not Cummings, btw) and they are based in Weifang, not Beijing. Cummins does do some manufacturing in China, but not with Lovol. You need to quit pulling shit out of your butthole and acting like its fact
If you’re spending 20k on that thing why not get a used machine off Craigslist or marketplace. There’s plenty for that price or less from reputable brands with dealer support and service
I have a specific reason for not doing that. Most of those machines are garbage and it's pure luck to find one that isn't (unless you go through a dealer, but then you pay near new prices, which are a lot higher than I paid for this rig). All the farmers I've ever known treat their stuff like crap, it doesn't get maintained properly, it gets rode hard, and then when it's starting to need repairs it goes up for sale for too much money. Everyone is free to spend their money how they like, I decided I'd roll the dice on a new Chinese tractor. I'd still stand by that vs buying used name brand stuff.
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 understandable. I’ve been at it long enough now I can fix just about whatever’s wrong with the older ones and it’s always nice having dealer support for parts and if something goes so wrong I can’t just fix it on farm. To me the extra work on fixing a machine is worth it
@@farmertyler8087 I agreed wholly with that sentiment when I was younger, everything I owned and drove was something that I got cheap and fixed, and I always had a lot of pride in that. I'm finding that I'm slowly getting tired of it though, and seeing the value of paying for new things more and more. I guess it's true that we all turn into our dads as we age. Or maybe I just don't have the time to fix things anymore. As far as this tractor goes, parts aren't as bad to get as folks think, though it is a bit more work than heading off to the dealer. Thing is, lately I can't get parts for anything half the time. I guess we're all supposed to be blaming covid for that
Hello, who did you order this tractor with?
I ordered it from Lovol
After I purchased my property in northern MN I hired my neighbor to do some tractor work for me. He had a Nortrac 4wd diesel tractor that was made in China. Literally every time that it was on my land brush mowing or discing it broke down. Then he would try to get it home and start the repair process that always took several weeks to get parts and then fix the problem. He was a great neighbor but that tractor was worse than JUNK. I eventually bought a Kubota and now I have 2. Spend the money and get a real tractor.
Fortunately mine hasn't been that bad, but yes, buy something better than this
If it's a license copy or direct clone of a name brand, you may find parts that way. My mahindra is a lisence copy of an international so I buy international parts for it
Is it a non synchro trans and your slamming gears ? Is the clutch need adjusted to release all the way
These things are 100% Chinese. They aren't clones of anything unfortunately. The actual Lovol engines are Perkins knockoffs, but since those engines don't meet North American emissions standards Lovol tractors sent over the pond get Shibaura engines instead. The trans supposedly has synchros but it has never shifted right, it has become a little better with time, but clearly it's a case of wearing out to wear it in judging by the metal on the drain plug. The clutch is adjusted as good as it gets, it genuinely is just a shitty transmission. If you go back through old forum threads on Foton tractors (which is what this thing actually is) you'll find lots of similar complaints, this is just how it's been for 2 decades
Do you not realize that John Deere case and New Holland use the same transmission and differentials that are on that lovol tractor and if you brought this machine in yourself then you're responsible for doing the PDI on it so a lot of the stuff you're complaining about is your own problem
No, they do not. Everything on this tractor is shared with no name brands other than the couple that Lovol owns like Argo. Stop spreading lies. BTW a PDI doesn't have anything to do with faulty parts.
It’s Chinese at the end of the day, and being honest it is extremely expensive for a poor farmer in my country hence why most farmers buy used Belarus tractors
Belarus tractors were sold in Canada and there are still old used ones around, but they aren't cheap and they're all thrashed. I've seen smaller ones as cheap as $1500CAD but it would take twice that again to get it into working shape. They average around $5000CAD for a small one that is useable, and the bigger ones are often close to $15,000.
Belarus tractors are junk and nobody sells them or buys them in the US
In Africa, we are starting without knowledge of tractor what can we buy to be economic?
@@backwoodsbuildingandfixing9223 I paid €4000 totally including the restoration, it works like brand new. Extremely reliable and bulletproof
I'd have a zetor any day over a Belarus.
Should’ve just bought a Kubota. For 10 year old kids they didn’t do a bad job of building a tractor
But if I had, we wouldn't have anything but the usual fawning reviews from shills for potential new buyers
A guy I know is talking about buying one of these as if its a good deal. I'm trying to convince him not to.
Shouldn't be too hard, just tell him to go down the road to the dealer that doesn't exist and ask about parts availability.
Well, this steers me away from Chinese tractors. Can't imagine the other potential safety issues that aren't seen.
Can some one give me a legit contact who i would get ahold of if i wanted a price shipped to NS Canada looking at a Lovol TB504 full cab loader. $ 41,000 plus tax here at the moment just wondering if i can save a few bucks.
Tks for any help you can provide.
Cheers
You save nothing in the end.Breakdowns,parts availability,not dependabl,no resale,on and on.if piece of mind means anything to you,stay away.Good video,nothing new here,Chinese machinery just is not worth the risk.
Geeish, you'd be better off with a tractor from Mexico, India, Russia, Turkey, basically anywhere but CCP Chyna.
Too fucking right mate, I’d rather own a used and abused Belarus tractor than any Chinese
Is tyranny still holding up
So far, it's not worse but it's not better either
In my humble opinion you were asking to much from the Chinese and buying sight unseen , maybe a simpler tractor they have the capability to pull off but this just seems like a bunch of left over parts From the super manufacturers plants they rigged together and called a tractor
Really you give 15000$ no man its very expensive more chipper massy tracker barlas 4x4
Lol you seem depressed about your decision to buy one through the whole video..
Sorry bro 😞
Chinese isn't getting paid to engineer/quality
100 % agree Chinese stuff is terrible at quality, they just mirror what they see from ligit brands and hope for the best.
Eehh 7:00 Why on earth and who on earth wouldn't like tractor to have handbrake?! If tractor doesn't have handbrake it's a deathtrap waiting to happen when coupling something.
I didn't say it shouldn't have a parking brake, but I realize I should have been more specific. I do not like the "dumb" ubiquitous Chinese handbrake that they put in all their equipment. Even my dads skid steer has one, it works very poorly and is the only skid steer I've seen to date with a handbrake vs hydraulic lockout. In every case it isn't connected to any kind of warning device or safety lockout, nor is it even in a visible place. More quality tractors usually have a parking brake operated electrically or hydraulically, it's placed right in front of you, and at the very least there is a light on the dash warning you that it's on. This design is cheap and shoddy.
Have you not been inside a new John Deere or a case for any other tractor for that matter they all have hand brakes
Try reading my reply?
China makes good things tractors not one of them lol
😂 get what you pay for
crap tractor nooo goood
You are bitching and moaning over a cheap built tractor, because it is cheap for a reason man. You also went cheap by importing it yourself - no dealer back up. If you want quality build you buy Japanese - you know that. I would not be blowing the trumpet over that computer controlled engine, because when the electronics shit themselves - no body is gunna have a clue how to get it running again.
Think you will find that hydraulic tank is just a surge tank there is also hydraulic oil in the compartment on top of the transmission that this tank connects to - letting the oil level down a little in that upper tank won’t be a problem.
I have a Chinese tractor that doesn’t have this surge tank - you just fill the top compartment to a little over 1/2 full - never a problem.