I'm 64 years old and have fired a fair number of firearms but if I want to learn something technical I come to channels like this. I think it accurate to say that a 10 mm is to a 40 cal what a 22 wmr is to a 22lr, a 357 to a 38 special, or a 44 mag to a 44 special, etc
I wish more people would watch tests like this or create their own instead of perpetuating misinformation and hearsay. a few hundred fps made a substantial increase in projectile fragmentation. Sometimes you want limitted pentration and a big energy dump and these bullets overexpanding is just fine for that purpose.
I dont own any short barrel handguns, due to the fact that im 6 foot 6 and my hands are very, very large. They just never felt right to me. Ive always used and carried full sized handguns, but i really enjoy watching the short barrel videos..... And i love both .40 and 10mm. Those light for caliber loads work very well in the shorties. Thanks for the test and as always hope you have a wonderful day . Plus no tables got destroyed.....
Try a regular Glock 29( not the slim frame SF) My brother in law is 6'4", 13 shoe. He has a G20 as well but has shot and carried the 29 for about 25 years or so.
Great test, AZ! It's times like this when I rag on the 40 Short & Weak! That 10mm went off like a bomb in that gel with some very impressive danage to the block! You won't get results like this from every 10mm, only those that load it to it's full potential. Buffalo Bore, Underwood, Lehigh, and Double Tap to name a few who load 10mm the way it should be loaded! If you're buying 10mm ammo be sure to read all the info before you put your money on it! Too many manufacturers load a 40 S&W bullet into a 10mm then reduce the velocities to ridiculous levels because the bullet simply cannot withstand the 10mm velocities and blow up without doing their job! Even the Nosler & Sierra 135 gr bullets come close to failing but do manage to get the job done. I personally prefer the Lehigh Xtreme Defender ammo in all of my carry guns, but 165 Speer, HST and a few others tend to shine. Also, fragments of the bullets that remain in the wound track add nothing to the wounding action. Only those that travel outside of the main wound track add anything to the over all wound. Let's face it, if we are defending our lives or the lives of our loved ones, we want a bullet that works as well as possible when it comes to stopping a bad guy from doing his thing to us. That means doing as much damage as possible to him as quickly as possible. These bullets, while a bit shy in the total penetration department, do seem to get in there and do their jobs pretty well. And even tho I rag on the 40, it too did it's job pretty well. The bottom line is, you're going to be pretty well protected with either one if the flag goes up! Keep up the great tests, AZ, you're doing us all a favor by doing these tests, showing what works and what doesnt! Thank you for doing what you do so very well! Cheers, jc
Have to absolutely agree with your take on 10mm loading. I strictly own UW, BB and Grizzly ammo for mine.. For the 40 I run 165 HSTs, and in my carry 40 I prefer XTREME Defenders.
Both have excellent results in there category. But as good as the 40 is in this offering it is no comparison to the impact and damage as the 10. The stills really reveal this. Good test. The Nosler is proving to be a very good performer. Good to see. Thanks.
Thank you buddy!! I agree, I really like em both too, but man there's just something special about the 357 sig. Can't get enough. Thank you again!! Plenty on the way😁👍.
Another very well done, well presented, informative video. Thank you. I've personally found Underwood's 10mm Auto 155 Gr XTP JHP to be more accurate than their 135 Gr Nosler JHP, out to 25 yards, fired from my 4.6" barreled pistol. And the XTP bullet seems to hold together better than the Nosler bullet, too. Good things! 👍
This .40 round was the test I've been waiting for, not bad. I just got four boxes of UW 357sig 124gr Noslers yesterday. My favorite handgun with my favorite ammo. Great test bro, that 10mm is a beast.
@thepatriotsrage661 yeah you can see GUN Sam test their light for caliber like 115plus p plus load not enough penetration...124 plus p plus good enough likely but still low. I've tested two HOP Munitions 357 158 jhc and 185 45 jhp that did great
Yeah they definitely have a hard time holding together at those speeds and low sectional density. But man are they nasty in those first few inches. I appreciate u checkin it out buddy!! Plenty comin😁👍.
Like both. Would be interesting to see how recoil affects getting back on target between the two. 10 is clearly dumping more energy. Some large 4 legged creatures won't be impressed with the energy from either one. Penetration and volume would be key. Can you reach vitals and how many times in the few second you may have. For 2 legged, make mine the nine. Certainly 40 and 10 get it done but efficiency and effectiveness on 2 legged nasties make me lean to 9 with both capacity and ease of getting back on target coupled with enough to get it done.
The 40 Smith & Wesson was designed to duplicate the performance of the 10 mm with a shorter case and less recoil apparently it did an excellent job because this is the only thing I've watched where they stopped exactly the same place
1450 was the velocity it was originally loaded at 40 Smith and Wesson with the 135 grain bullet then they dropped it to 1350 which is exactly the speed of the 357 sig
You mean the Underwood load? Yes, you are correct. Now we all have to suffer because to many mallet heads insist on firing this out of Glocks without full chamber support......KBoom!.....or at least a nasty case rupture. Underwood underloads it now. S&W M&P were made around the 40 Smith and Wesson cartridge ( duh,huh?), don't know why some guys are stuck on Glock. Fortunately; Glock gen. 5 have full chamber support, a heavier slide, a better recoil lug and block interface, and a longer recoil guide with a heavier spring. Still go for the M&P 2.0 ( with KKM 357sig barrel)
I think it could be a blessing in disguise that Underwood had to stop using Gold Dot bullets. I consider the Underwood 135gr Nosler .40 and 125gr 357 Sig Nosler to be very much superior for SD to any big ammo company round. The Nosler 125gr 357 Sig round is all I load in my G33 carry now.
Yeah I hear ya, I really like both of em too. Always do some nasty damage in the gel and have awesome velocities. Can't go wrong with either. Great choice on ur carry, love the g33. I appreciate u checkin it out buddy!! Plenty comin😁👍.
Surprising penetration from both considering the light weight bullet and high velocities. Not sure I would use them but a very interesting test. 40 caliber hits the sweet spot for defensive pistols.
Amazing action as always. Noslers are grenades they enter and explode like 5.56 FMJBT. I’m torn I also like really like to see the projectile not completely disintegrate and still annihilate a target but the explosiveness out of a pistol round is also very intriguing as well. Thanks boss👍
40SW is a great round. I just wish more companies would make it in +P. Many people think it is because 40SW is a "high pressure" round, which is not true. 40SW has the same operating pressure as 9mm. 40SW is my third choice behind 357 Sig being my first choice then 10mm, followed by 45ACP. The problem with 10mm is the unnecessary thickness of the guns. I have five 9mm (P365, P365XL, P250, Ruger LC9, Springfield XDE) pistols and two others with kits to convert them to 9mm (Sig P226, Sig P250), but the only 9mm I typically carry is my original hammer-fired DAO Ruger LC9 when I'm not wearing a lot of clothes, because it is small and thin. My primary carry is Sig P224 in 357 Sig. I bought my P226 and P224 in 40SW and converted them to 357 Sig. I also had a P320 that I bought in 40 and converted to 357 Sig that I sold. 9mm is okay if you're wearing body armor against people not shooting back, but since I don't typically wear body armor I want the most powerful thing that I can comfortably carry concealed.
Thank you buddy!! Always fun testing the shorties and seeing how capable they can be. I have to much fun out there😁. Thanks again, always appreciate ur comments and feedback!!
I'm 64 years old and have fired a fair number of firearms but if I want to learn something technical I come to channels like this. I think it accurate to say that a 10 mm is to a 40 cal what a 22 wmr is to a 22lr, a 357 to a 38 special, or a 44 mag to a 44 special, etc
Or 357 Sig to 9mm❤
@@TransformersHoarder True that. It IS a BIG step up from 9x19.
So true chap!
@@thepatriotsrage661 And 10mm is a step up from .357sig
@@zanegardner6488 Not with todays commercial loads, it isn't. It is massively underloaded as is .357Sig.
I wish more people would watch tests like this or create their own instead of perpetuating misinformation and hearsay. a few hundred fps made a substantial increase in projectile fragmentation. Sometimes you want limitted pentration and a big energy dump and these bullets overexpanding is just fine for that purpose.
this is the best ammo test channel on YT at this point
Thank you buddy!! Always appreciate the compliment and u checkin out the videos!! Thank you!!
Own both 40 for the hood, 10 for the woods 😁😁
😂😂😂
😂😂. Why do "hood" people all always have .40cal handguns? Hahah like how black people don't change the batteries in their smoke detectors 😂😂
Same 😂
Damn. That 10 mm is impressive. Great test. Thanks for posting.
That 10mm underwood is a beast. For anti personnel this is the round. I carry heavier in 10 but this ain’t no joke
I dont own any short barrel handguns, due to the fact that im 6 foot 6 and my hands are very, very large. They just never felt right to me. Ive always used and carried full sized handguns, but i really enjoy watching the short barrel videos..... And i love both .40 and 10mm. Those light for caliber loads work very well in the shorties. Thanks for the test and as always hope you have a wonderful day . Plus no tables got destroyed.....
Try a regular Glock 29( not the slim frame SF) My brother in law is 6'4", 13 shoe. He has a G20 as well but has shot and carried the 29 for about 25 years or so.
Great test, AZ! It's times like this when I rag on the 40 Short & Weak! That 10mm went off like a bomb in that gel with some very impressive danage to the block! You won't get results like this from every 10mm, only those that load it to it's full potential. Buffalo Bore, Underwood, Lehigh, and Double Tap to name a few who load 10mm the way it should be loaded! If you're buying 10mm ammo be sure to read all the info before you put your money on it! Too many manufacturers load a 40 S&W bullet into a 10mm then reduce the velocities to ridiculous levels because the bullet simply cannot withstand the 10mm velocities and blow up without doing their job! Even the Nosler & Sierra 135 gr bullets come close to failing but do manage to get the job done. I personally prefer the Lehigh Xtreme Defender ammo in all of my carry guns, but 165 Speer, HST and a few others tend to shine. Also, fragments of the bullets that remain in the wound track add nothing to the wounding action. Only those that travel outside of the main wound track add anything to the over all wound. Let's face it, if we are defending our lives or the lives of our loved ones, we want a bullet that works as well as possible when it comes to stopping a bad guy from doing his thing to us. That means doing as much damage as possible to him as quickly as possible. These bullets, while a bit shy in the total penetration department, do seem to get in there and do their jobs pretty well. And even tho I rag on the 40, it too did it's job pretty well. The bottom line is, you're going to be pretty well protected with either one if the flag goes up!
Keep up the great tests, AZ, you're doing us all a favor by doing these tests, showing what works and what doesnt! Thank you for doing what you do so very well!
Cheers,
jc
Yup. I believe I saw this exact scenario in a Paul Harrell video.
Have to absolutely agree with your take on 10mm loading. I strictly own UW, BB and Grizzly ammo for mine.. For the 40 I run 165 HSTs, and in my carry 40 I prefer XTREME Defenders.
Try the Sig V-Crown 10mm. Hot loaded
Both have excellent results in there category. But as good as the 40 is in this offering it is no comparison to the impact and damage as the 10. The stills really reveal this. Good test. The Nosler is proving to be a very good performer. Good to see. Thanks.
AZA’s supergel never lies. The 135gr is a game-changer for the .40cal but I’ll stick with 357SIG.
357 sig is a real winner chicken dinner same thing I carry 357 sig and 45 acp with +p hst 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Thank you buddy!! I agree, I really like em both too, but man there's just something special about the 357 sig. Can't get enough. Thank you again!! Plenty on the way😁👍.
are you looking at the 40 again that was shot on the left of the jet / 10mm was on the right.
Another very well done, well presented, informative video. Thank you.
I've personally found Underwood's 10mm Auto 155 Gr XTP JHP to be more accurate than their 135 Gr Nosler JHP, out to 25 yards, fired from my 4.6" barreled pistol. And the XTP bullet seems to hold together better than the Nosler bullet, too.
Good things! 👍
no reason to carry the extra bulky 10mm, 40 had same penetration. g23 is my favorite edc
Not always about pen. It had a greater energy transfer. 10mm full size all the way.
This .40 round was the test I've been waiting for, not bad. I just got four boxes of UW 357sig 124gr Noslers yesterday. My favorite handgun with my favorite ammo. Great test bro, that 10mm is a beast.
Let's go! Love 10mm!
Overdriven.....Sierra Bullets? I'd still go a bit heavier in weight
Nosler Sporting Handgun JHP. I think the Sierra Sportsmaster's are better.
@thepatriotsrage661 yeah you can see GUN Sam test their light for caliber like 115plus p plus load not enough penetration...124 plus p plus good enough likely but still low. I've tested two HOP Munitions 357 158 jhc and 185 45 jhp that did great
Nosler?
"Cotton t shirt must have clogged it up". Which, a 10mm @ 15-1600fps
just makes sense...
I tend to agree with what another has said. Maybe that projectile is too light for that kind of pressure. Still…excellent stuff, thanks!
Yeah they definitely have a hard time holding together at those speeds and low sectional density. But man are they nasty in those first few inches. I appreciate u checkin it out buddy!! Plenty comin😁👍.
Like both. Would be interesting to see how recoil affects getting back on target between the two. 10 is clearly dumping more energy. Some large 4 legged creatures won't be impressed with the energy from either one. Penetration and volume would be key. Can you reach vitals and how many times in the few second you may have. For 2 legged, make mine the nine. Certainly 40 and 10 get it done but efficiency and effectiveness on 2 legged nasties make me lean to 9 with both capacity and ease of getting back on target coupled with enough to get it done.
Awesome!!! I love the 10mm. Great video. 👏👏👏
Thank you very much I appreciate u checkin it out!! Plenty on the way😁👍.
The 40 Smith & Wesson was designed to duplicate the performance of the 10 mm with a shorter case and less recoil apparently it did an excellent job because this is the only thing I've watched where they stopped exactly the same place
Much enjoy the videos, thank you.
This video was long over due most would argue 135 40 penetrates to shallow that muzzle energy and penetration is phenomenal I’ll be buying another box
💪💯 I appreciate u checkin it out!!
1450 was the velocity it was originally loaded at 40 Smith and Wesson with the 135 grain bullet then they dropped it to 1350 which is exactly the speed of the 357 sig
You mean the Underwood load? Yes, you are correct.
Now we all have to suffer because to many mallet heads insist on firing this out of Glocks without full chamber support......KBoom!.....or at least a nasty case rupture. Underwood underloads it now.
S&W M&P were made around the 40 Smith and Wesson cartridge ( duh,huh?), don't know why some guys are stuck on Glock. Fortunately; Glock gen. 5 have full chamber support, a heavier slide, a better recoil lug and block interface, and a longer recoil guide with a heavier spring. Still go for the M&P 2.0 ( with KKM 357sig barrel)
Excellent comparison. I think u right about the tumbling. Come a long way from pellet through a McDonald’s straw bro! 😂
I think it could be a blessing in disguise that Underwood had to stop using Gold Dot bullets. I consider the Underwood 135gr Nosler .40 and 125gr 357 Sig Nosler to be very much superior for SD to any big ammo company round. The Nosler 125gr 357 Sig round is all I load in my G33 carry now.
Yeah I hear ya, I really like both of em too. Always do some nasty damage in the gel and have awesome velocities. Can't go wrong with either. Great choice on ur carry, love the g33. I appreciate u checkin it out buddy!! Plenty comin😁👍.
cool comparison
Great video
Thank you very much I appreciate u checkin it out!! Plenty on the way😁👍.
The FBI said the 10mm was to much for smaller agents. So they went to the 40.
Now .40 is too much and to the 9mm they went😂 It's a joke, it was more of a budget and training ordeal, but the first line made the most sense lol
Love the short nosed Glocks!
Same here bro, definitely some of my favorites too.
Surprising penetration from both considering the light weight bullet and high velocities. Not sure I would use them but a very interesting test.
40 caliber hits the sweet spot for defensive pistols.
Amazing action as always. Noslers are grenades they enter and explode like 5.56 FMJBT. I’m torn I also like really like to see the projectile not completely disintegrate and still annihilate a target but the explosiveness out of a pistol round is also very intriguing as well. Thanks boss👍
nice
Thank you!!
10mm dont mess around
40SW is a great round. I just wish more companies would make it in +P. Many people think it is because 40SW is a "high pressure" round, which is not true. 40SW has the same operating pressure as 9mm. 40SW is my third choice behind 357 Sig being my first choice then 10mm, followed by 45ACP. The problem with 10mm is the unnecessary thickness of the guns. I have five 9mm (P365, P365XL, P250, Ruger LC9, Springfield XDE) pistols and two others with kits to convert them to 9mm (Sig P226, Sig P250), but the only 9mm I typically carry is my original hammer-fired DAO Ruger LC9 when I'm not wearing a lot of clothes, because it is small and thin. My primary carry is Sig P224 in 357 Sig. I bought my P226 and P224 in 40SW and converted them to 357 Sig. I also had a P320 that I bought in 40 and converted to 357 Sig that I sold. 9mm is okay if you're wearing body armor against people not shooting back, but since I don't typically wear body armor I want the most powerful thing that I can comfortably carry concealed.
Nice presentation, even from the short barrels.....Thanks for these educational and informative videos.....
Thank you buddy!! Always fun testing the shorties and seeing how capable they can be. I have to much fun out there😁. Thanks again, always appreciate ur comments and feedback!!
500 lbs in 40 is great,short barrels are what sells, now your almost a Fudd if you carry a full size..lol
Ummmm......now, do the same ballistic test w/10mm in a pistol vs a .40 S&W through a 16" barrel like from a KelTec! Oops.
Interesting...I just knew the 10 would have less penetration
Scene plenty of videos on this… I don’t see how you think the 10 expanded well smh… didn’t look good at all