I ordered two volumes at first. After skimming through them I ordered the rest of them. Worth their weight in gold for me. They made the gospel come alive for me🙂🙏
Please do not worry about critics. We are living in the evil times, the times of the Antichrist. Our Lord said, "Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in Heaven (Matt 5:11)." May God bless you, keep and protect you, and lead you. Amen!
I think a concern is the loud string voices speaking out against yet they never read it & are out there influencing other Catholics by their negative words they put out….those Catholics hear it & figure “I never read it… but they must know because I heard others saying the same thing.” Then, if someone talks about it to them, they’ll say no I heard bad things about it. It’s to be avoided.
I have listening to radio teatro maria valtorta in spanish on you tube fir the past 9 years. I love to listen to my sweet Jesus i also have the books. I have learned so much about my Jesus and mamita Mary.
God bless you Robert. I heard a rumor that Maria's right arm did not decay and now you have documented it. It's so amazing. The Valtorta conflict is rooted in the difficulty one's controlling mind has in yielding to the heart. I admire how you soldier on with good cheer Robert.
Im so glad i persisted and read the writings of Maria Valtorta they have added so much insight and helped open ones heart further to the holy. Scruptures in appreciation. I love how we are offered an insight into the play of personalities of the disciples. This isnt seen much in the Bible but more fully explored in Valtorta text. I especially appreciate reading just how merciful and loving Jesus and Mary was towards Judas Iscaroit befire his betray in trying to help him understand better and to ooen his heart to God's ways not mans ideas. Mary and Jesus both tried to make themselevs avaliable persoanllybto help him and still he didnt accept the truth.
I read her books about 15 years ago. All of them. I treated them as a 'story' at the time, as they had not had Vatican approval. In fact shortly after I had read all the volumes we were told not to read them by ...I can't remember who now, but it was a 'high up there' Catholic office. I found them to be amazing, beautiful, and I highly recommend everyone to read them. If we can watch 'The Chosen' which has alot of non Biblical little stories attached to it, then why the problem with reading Valtorta's books?
Maybe because it's made up? We had to wait almost 1900 years for an improved update on the gospels. The early Christians also had people writing unapproved heretical "gospels" which were very popular too. Stick to the real Gospels. Plenty there for most people.
My journey began with asking in a state of Grace and with love for the gift of prayer. Im far from perfect by the way! After i read prayer of the heart by Jean Koury which led me to scriptural rosary. The Gift of prayer, prayers where certainly answered and received. I started reading 24 hours of the passion which lede to contemplative prayer. I thank Our Heavenly Father throughy Lord for givinge the Gift of prayer with the Holy Spirit. It's quite special. Possibly the greatest Gift ive ever received other than the Sacraments. People need to understand that prayer isnt just word's. Albeit important! If we cant find some time to alot to Christ/Our Father in 24 hours we may need to look at ourselves. Bless you all.
Thank you Robert, it is very interesting that the work by Maria Val torta is once again being recognized. I was very much into these books in the late 80s and into the 90s, but was told not to read them as that were on the forbidden to read index by a good priest. So I burned my copies of these very expensive books. Two years ago I was given a complete hardcover set by a person who no longer wanted them without them knowing that I had at one time not that long ago destroyed my copies. I am looking forward to reading them again.❤
The direction from the Church is that Catholics can read her works as the don’t go against faith and morals, but there has been no pronouncement as to the origins of the works.
I heard that maria would come out of her confusion each time a verification was needed regards any part of the work. So no misinterpretation of any part as she was always crystal clear in her head when it came to the poem. God bless
It is so beautiful as a read. You will just love Peter, you meet him and his faults and failings. And your heart will melt encountering Jesus and His Mother.
I believe her writings are authentic. You just can’t make this stuff up. Especially when in her writings you read the parts headed “Jesus Says” after her dictations. The depth of the theology is beyond what we could make up ourselves.
I love Maria Valtorta, and we visited her burial site back in 2008. I sensed a humble handmaid of the Lord. She didn't want any honour and yet she left us with the most descriptive text that gives much detail for the Bible. It can only lead ypu closer to Christ and therefore of coirse satan and his demons will slyly seek to deter you from reading it.
I totally agree with regard to the series of books called "The Poem of the Man God," God gifted to those with eyes to see and heart open to see God's ways. It's part of our faith Tradition.
I recall when I first started to read this series and I stopped abruptly in doubt about their validity. Coming from a theology major in study. But this text requires an open heart to receive the treasures contained within the pages. Faith in God not doubt by sly satan
I believe in Luisa and read her writings but there are other Mystica out there. Many with even greater miracles like Therese Neumann and Marie Rose Ferron. In Heaven there’s no competition.
Catholic printed books tend to be expensive as publishers can print tens of millions like Harry Potter or some famous romantic novel. So prints are not that numerous and so books tend to be more expensive. If you google the work you can find it all for free online
Valtorta presents Our Lady as being hysterically angry during one point of the Crucifixion. She comes across as a complete chatterbox (as does Our Lord) throughout the work. If you want an excellent mystical work on Our Lady, read Mary of Agreda's 4 volume tome, "The Mystical City of God." It was part of the spiritual reading of several Popes - including St. Pius X.
@@thecatholicman That doesn't make them chattering magpies. And as far as stating what is obvious about ME, start with yourself. Obviously YOU missed that part of the Gospel meditation.
Robert just to clarify, You state that Private Revelation is part of our Faith. (At 5 mins 22 seconds) Please could you clarify? Do you mean private revelation is part of the Binding Fidei Depositum? For example, having read the Original investigation into Lourdes in French, I have no doubt the apparitions at Lourdes are true. Heaven was giving its seal to the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception promulgated by Pius IX in 1854. I don't believe in Medjugorje. Does that mean I cannot obtain Salvation? This is an area which requires not a short one liner answer. A precise response clarifying what I've raised is needed. Souls are at stake. Salus Animarum Suprema Lex. I read the Vulgate along with commentary by the Early Fathers. I believe never having read Valtorta, that we can become Saints. Look at the Tyburn Martyrs.
That private revelation is part of the binding deposit of the fact is a fact. I mean it’s possibility, but also we are not obligated to believe in private revelation. But we have to accept as Catholics that it’s possible.
I have given you a thumbs up, even though I think Medjugorje *might* ultimately prove to be authentic. The luxury of a lay position, is we do not have to guess at the veracity or otherwise of Marian visions. Revelation ended with the death of the last apostle, and as far as I'm aware there is no requirement to believe any subsequent hierophany, including ones that are fully compatible with the teachings of the church.
@thecatholicman Did I not say I believe in the veracity of Lourdes but not Medjugorje? If I believe in Lourdes, logically it follows I accept certain private revelations. You are still saying that Private Revelation is part of public revelation. So, all those who have no interest in reading valtorta and who reject Medjugorje are damned? Just re read your first sentence in your reply.
Vi ste gospodine običan legalist,ili farizej,pismoznanac,tražite da Vam slovo zakona omogući spasenje.Robert preporuča,ne obavezuje nikoga da čita Valtortu,imate slobodnu volju kao i svi,ako smatrate da je nečije tuđe spasenje ugroženo zbog Valtorte ili privatnih objava koje crkva nije priznala nakon što ga upozorite a on se ne odvrati od svoga puta neka vam bude kao poganin ili carinik.....
@@dermotquigley356 private revelation or prophetic revelation is part of the deposit of the faith. Obviously discernment (as St Paul says) is key. No you are not damned because you don’t accept Medjugorje or Valtorta, as specified private revelations are not part of the deposit of the faith. What IS part of the deposit is the possibility of such private revelations. At the moment the church has made no pronouncement saying that Maria Valtorta’s writings are heretical and go against the faith and morals of the church. Pope Pius XII said to publish them
There is an EWTN Article by Fr. Mitch Pacwa that denounces her works. It's hard to discern to take them as true or false. Can you read some of these articles and comment on them, please?
You see Jesus, Mary, the Apostles as real people, you read about the context of the Gospels. I pray to St Simon the apostle now, the 12 sheperds at the birth of Jesus are heroic
Valtorta's Revelation gave me a picture of the real personality of Jesus. It gave me the same instructions the disciples received while they were with Jesus. I thought I knew my Catholic Faith until I studied "The Gospel as it was Revealed to me." It is the fountainhead of information on Christianity. I discovered that Felix of Endor wrote down many of the sermons he heard Jesus give the people--thus the written source biblical scholars deduce from their studies. And yes, Matthew wrote the First Gospel, not Mark. And the boy with the loaves and fishes--Jabez, was the adopted child of Peter and his wife who were childless. Jabez became Martial, the first bishop of Limoges and was martyred there. And guess how the Church took root at Antioch? The Revelation gives us so many threads and so many answers to so many questions. Please read this wonder from God's Right Hand. It transports us into another world.
I have never read the writings of Maria Valtorta, but have read what other visionaries have said so I'm making a general point about personal locutions. They often read like fan fiction, which for those who don't know, is enthusiasts riffing on the theme of a famous writer. This re-emphasises certain passages, or gives a minor character a bigger role, or indulges in what-if speculation, sequels and prequels of a famous work. This tendency is most pronounced among pilgrims (in my experience) who can often be heard saying "I heard that..", before offering some highly contentious claim without any official source. Whether this is harmful or simply over-enthusiasm, is not my point, which is to question why people need regular upgrades from above on a subject that is not open for amendment?
@@thecatholicman Perhaps, though from the little I've heard they sound like a GoPro eye view of events that cannot be verified by any other source. Before I embark on Maria's writings, can I be assured they will not read like a creative riff on a theme by a devout and imaginative sensibility?
Maria Valorta's book " Poem of the man God " was investigated and found not to be genuine. You are better off reading Anne Catherine Emmrich's books which are genuine.
In a 1985 letter to Cardinal Siri, Archbishop of Genoa, then-Cardinal Ratzinger as prefect of the CDF, said the following about the Poem of the Man God “A decision against distributing and recommending a work which has not been lightly condemned may be reversed but only after profound changes that neutralize the harm which such publication could bring forth among the ordinary faithful. [The Poem of the Man God has already been] examined scientifically and placed in a well known category of mental sicknesses…The facts added to the second edition do not change the nature of the work, which evidences being a mountain of childishness, of fantasies and of historical and exegetical falsehoods, diluted in a subtly sensual atmosphere, through the presence of a group of women in the company of Jesus. On the whole, it is a heap of pseudo religiosity. Therefore, also for the second edition the judgment to condemn it retains its validity.” I find it troubling that Robert is so carelessly promoting something that has been repeatedly condemned by the Church!
Well in a letter written about 10 years later Cardinal Ratzinger lifted that opinion and allowed the books to be promoted as they didn’t go against faith and morals. So decisions change. Cardinal Ratzinger and the writtings of Maria Valtorta. Also a mad woman would not be able to invent places she could not have known existed and a chronology etc. that is the miracle of the world, it simply can’t be written by someone insane th-cam.com/video/tjHndZoRRRw/w-d-xo.html
@@thecatholicman this is a claim made by a journalist who ADMITS he cannot prove Ratzinger actually gave the green light to publish the work, hence his saying he no longer possesses such letter. By the way, don’t you think he would actually make sure he held onto such a letter? The letter to 1985 letter to Cardinal Siri, cited by myself was of a public and official nature. Therefore, in absence of any proof of any official reversal, what I cited still stands. This claim sounds suspicious to me, as it should to any honest informed observer.
@@gregmockeridge5482 actually the journalist letter is pretty much the same as the letter Ratzinger wrote to Canadian bishops in the 90s, he never pronounced it was supernatural in origin but also said there was nothing that went against faith and morals, many bishops have given permission for the works to be printed. the work is a miracle if you have eyes to see, no human could have written it, not even a mad woman
@@thecatholicman can you provide a link to the supposed letter to the Canadian bishops proving that he in anyway reverses what he wrote to Cdl Siri in 1985?
Plus, by saying “the work is a miracle if you have eyes to eye” you are putting yourself above the Church that has not only not determined such a thing, but has not reversed its long standing condemnation of them.
@tomthx5804 There is no such claim by the Vatican. In 1992, the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith gave permission to the laity to read the work of Valtorta if they wanted to. There is plenty of information on this if one really wants to research and get the facts. Decrevi is totally correct and gave a good resource if you actually care about the truth on this.
@@thecatholicman The Vatican has not explicitly labeled The Poem of the Man-God as “fantasy fiction,” but it has consistently raised concerns about its theological and historical reliability. The work has not been approved as an authentic private revelation, and the Church encourages the faithful to approach it with caution. While it is allowed for private reading, it should not be treated as divinely inspired or in line with Church doctrine.
To read the poem is to fall in love with God. May God bless n keep you .
I ordered two volumes at first. After skimming through them I ordered the rest of them. Worth their weight in gold for me. They made the gospel come alive for me🙂🙏
Please do not worry about critics. We are living in the evil times, the times of the Antichrist. Our Lord said, "Blessed are you when they insult you and persecute you and utter every kind of evil against you because of Me. Rejoice and be glad, for your reward will be great in Heaven (Matt 5:11)." May God bless you, keep and protect you, and lead you. Amen!
❤❤❤
Amen brother
I think a concern is the loud string voices speaking out against yet they never read it & are out there influencing other Catholics by their negative words they put out….those Catholics hear it & figure “I never read it… but they must know because I heard others saying the same thing.” Then, if someone talks about it to them, they’ll say no I heard bad things about it. It’s to be avoided.
I have listening to radio teatro maria valtorta in spanish on you tube fir the past 9 years. I love to listen to my sweet Jesus i also have the books. I have learned so much about my Jesus and mamita Mary.
God bless you Robert. I heard a rumor that Maria's right arm did not decay and now you have documented it. It's so amazing. The Valtorta conflict is rooted in the difficulty one's controlling mind has in yielding to the heart. I admire how you soldier on with good cheer Robert.
The woman should be canonized! I believe the Australian group is working on her cause for this.
Long overdue
@@kellyschroer2114 Oh Wow !! I was Wondering if she had any hope of that ❤️
I am loving your attention to Maria and her books ❤ Love listening to Fr Peter Bowes reading as I work . Onto the Notebooks now ❤❤❤
I’ve ordered all her writings
Im so glad i persisted and read the writings of Maria Valtorta they have added so much insight and helped open ones heart further to the holy. Scruptures in appreciation. I love how we are offered an insight into the play of personalities of the disciples. This isnt seen much in the Bible but more fully explored in Valtorta text. I especially appreciate reading just how merciful and loving Jesus and Mary was towards Judas Iscaroit befire his betray in trying to help him understand better and to ooen his heart to God's ways not mans ideas. Mary and Jesus both tried to make themselevs avaliable persoanllybto help him and still he didnt accept the truth.
I read her books about 15 years ago. All of them. I treated them as a 'story' at the time, as they had not had Vatican approval. In fact shortly after I had read all the volumes we were told not to read them by ...I can't remember who now, but it was a 'high up there' Catholic office. I found them to be amazing, beautiful, and I highly recommend everyone to read them. If we can watch 'The Chosen' which has alot of non Biblical little stories attached to it, then why the problem with reading Valtorta's books?
Maybe because it's made up? We had to wait almost 1900 years for an improved update on the gospels. The early Christians also had people writing unapproved heretical "gospels" which were very popular too. Stick to the real Gospels. Plenty there for most people.
I read the 11 volumes and loved them. They helped me a lot to grow in my faith.
Which 11 ?
My journey began with asking in a state of Grace and with love for the gift of prayer. Im far from perfect by the way! After i read prayer of the heart by Jean Koury which led me to scriptural rosary. The Gift of prayer, prayers where certainly answered and received. I started reading 24 hours of the passion which lede to contemplative prayer. I thank Our Heavenly Father throughy Lord for givinge the Gift of prayer with the Holy Spirit. It's quite special. Possibly the greatest Gift ive ever received other than the Sacraments.
People need to understand that prayer isnt just word's. Albeit important! If we cant find some time to alot to Christ/Our Father in 24 hours we may need to look at ourselves. Bless you all.
Thank you for covering this topic. May it inspire souls to read them and enjoy and benefit from them
I absolutely love the Poem of the Man God o
Morning from Phoenix 🌵🥵
Morning!
Thank you Robert, it is very interesting that the work by Maria Val torta is once again being recognized. I was very much into these books in the late 80s and into the 90s, but was told not to read them as that were on the forbidden to read index by a good priest. So I burned my copies of these very expensive books. Two years ago I was given a complete hardcover set by a person who no longer wanted them without them knowing that I had at one time not that long ago destroyed my copies. I am looking forward to reading them again.❤
This is why we need to get our direction directly from the Church and not social media.
The direction from the Church is that Catholics can read her works as the don’t go against faith and morals, but there has been no pronouncement as to the origins of the works.
Excellent explanation. The Poem is more inspirational and historically accurate than any movie or commentary produced or written.
And I will pay 1000 euros to anyone who can prove otherwise
I heard that maria would come out of her confusion each time a verification was needed regards any part of the work. So no misinterpretation of any part as she was always crystal clear in her head when it came to the poem. God bless
Ave Maria!
As a new Catholic im so confused about Maria Valtortas writings , some Catholics recommend me it and others warn me against it.
Private revelation will always have such debate, that’s ok. I absolutely highly recommend them
It is so beautiful as a read. You will just love Peter, you meet him and his faults and failings. And your heart will melt encountering Jesus and His Mother.
Read the bible... study it, pray....pray.. and pray then read the bible again and again
An absolute gift from God!!❤
Very good Robert.
You’re dead right.
Thank you.
Great upload & message! ❤
Thank you very much Robert!!!
Amen
I believe her writings are authentic. You just can’t make this stuff up. Especially when in her writings you read the parts headed “Jesus Says” after her dictations. The depth of the theology is beyond what we could make up ourselves.
I love Maria Valtorta, and we visited her burial site back in 2008. I sensed a humble handmaid of the Lord. She didn't want any honour and yet she left us with the most descriptive text that gives much detail for the Bible. It can only lead ypu closer to Christ and therefore of coirse satan and his demons will slyly seek to deter you from reading it.
I totally agree with regard to the series of books called "The Poem of the Man God," God gifted to those with eyes to see and heart open to see God's ways. It's part of our faith Tradition.
I recall when I first started to read this series and I stopped abruptly in doubt about their validity. Coming from a theology major in study. But this text requires an open heart to receive the treasures contained within the pages. Faith in God not doubt by sly satan
Thank you, I will.
The greatest Mystic of our times is Luisa Picaretta whose work has recently been given a Nihil Obstat .
Could be, I suppose time will tell. Her writings are completely different genre.
Everyone thinks the mystic they promote and are devoted to is the greatest. We need to be more balanced.
@@joseph_mta5840 In business they say FOLLOW THE MONEY . But in religion we follow the LOVE . Luisas work tops the bucketlist .
I believe in Luisa and read her writings but there are other Mystica out there. Many with even greater miracles like Therese Neumann and Marie Rose Ferron. In Heaven there’s no competition.
What is the difference in their mystical writings? @@thecatholicman
I want to order a set but they're so very expensive. I have 3 volumes but missing the others. I'm in Canada, not sure if that makes a difference.
They are all online for free
Catholic printed books tend to be expensive as publishers can print tens of millions like Harry Potter or some famous romantic novel. So prints are not that numerous and so books tend to be more expensive. If you google the work you can find it all for free online
What prophet have they not persecuted and killed. Maria Valtorta ranks with the one who was slain between the sanctuary and the altar
Indeed
Read these books many years ago. Just loved them. A walk with Jesus. But then I thought they were banned by the Catholic church?
Valtorta presents Our Lady as being hysterically angry during one point of the Crucifixion. She comes across as a complete chatterbox (as does Our Lord) throughout the work. If you want an excellent mystical work on Our Lady, read Mary of Agreda's 4 volume tome, "The Mystical City of God." It was part of the spiritual reading of several Popes - including St. Pius X.
Wow… our Lord had conversations… and so did Mary. How do you think the Gospel was given in silence ?
Agreed! “The Mystical City of God” volumes are worth reading.
@@thecatholicman NOT by being chatterboxes. The Gospels present both as portraits of brevity - as bespeaks their very unique humanity.
@@simonnorth8070 you obviously haven’t meditated on the gospels then. Read John 21:25..
@@thecatholicman That doesn't make them chattering magpies. And as far as stating what is obvious about ME, start with yourself. Obviously YOU missed that part of the Gospel meditation.
Robert just to clarify,
You state that Private Revelation is part of our Faith.
(At 5 mins 22 seconds)
Please could you clarify?
Do you mean private revelation is part of the Binding Fidei Depositum?
For example, having read the Original investigation into Lourdes in French, I have no doubt the apparitions at Lourdes are true. Heaven was giving its seal to the Dogma of the Immaculate Conception promulgated by Pius IX in 1854.
I don't believe in Medjugorje. Does that mean I cannot obtain Salvation?
This is an area which requires not a short one liner answer. A precise response clarifying what I've raised is needed.
Souls are at stake.
Salus Animarum Suprema Lex.
I read the Vulgate along with commentary by the Early Fathers.
I believe never having read Valtorta, that we can become Saints. Look at the Tyburn Martyrs.
That private revelation is part of the binding deposit of the fact is a fact. I mean it’s possibility, but also we are not obligated to believe in private revelation. But we have to accept as Catholics that it’s possible.
I have given you a thumbs up, even though I think Medjugorje *might* ultimately prove to be authentic. The luxury of a lay position, is we do not have to guess at the veracity or otherwise of Marian visions. Revelation ended with the death of the last apostle, and as far as I'm aware there is no requirement to believe any subsequent hierophany, including ones that are fully compatible with the teachings of the church.
@thecatholicman Did I not say I believe in the veracity of Lourdes but not Medjugorje? If I believe in Lourdes, logically it follows I accept certain private revelations. You are still saying that Private Revelation is part of public revelation. So, all those who have no interest in reading valtorta and who reject Medjugorje are damned? Just re read your first sentence in your reply.
Vi ste gospodine običan legalist,ili farizej,pismoznanac,tražite da Vam slovo zakona omogući spasenje.Robert preporuča,ne obavezuje nikoga da čita Valtortu,imate slobodnu volju kao i svi,ako smatrate da je nečije tuđe spasenje ugroženo zbog Valtorte ili privatnih objava koje crkva nije priznala nakon što ga upozorite a on se ne odvrati od svoga puta neka vam bude kao poganin ili carinik.....
@@dermotquigley356 private revelation or prophetic revelation is part of the deposit of the faith. Obviously discernment (as St Paul says) is key. No you are not damned because you don’t accept Medjugorje or Valtorta, as specified private revelations are not part of the deposit of the faith. What IS part of the deposit is the possibility of such private revelations. At the moment the church has made no pronouncement saying that Maria Valtorta’s writings are heretical and go against the faith and morals of the church. Pope Pius XII said to publish them
There is an EWTN Article by Fr. Mitch Pacwa that denounces her works. It's hard to discern to take them as true or false. Can you read some of these articles and comment on them, please?
He didn’t read all her works, read what Fr. Gabriele Roschini wrote, he read her entire works
@@thecatholicman Thank you for sharing that! I will take a look. I did read the scholarly article from the scientists and found it very interesting!
Which English translation would you recommend?
The official one from the publishing house, the English translation seems perfectly fine
Have you read "The End Times, As Revealed to Maria Valtorta?" I just started it and it's just as revealing as The Poem of the Man God!
How does reading this Poem positively affect your faith? What does it do for you? Not being snarky, just genuinely eager to learn.
My only answer is read it and see for yourself.
You see Jesus, Mary, the Apostles as real people, you read about the context of the Gospels. I pray to St Simon the apostle now, the 12 sheperds at the birth of Jesus are heroic
@@patttrick Thanks
Valtorta's Revelation gave me a picture of the real personality of Jesus. It gave me the same instructions the disciples received while they were with Jesus. I thought I knew my Catholic Faith until I studied "The Gospel as it was Revealed to me." It is the fountainhead of information on Christianity. I discovered that Felix of Endor wrote down many of the sermons he heard Jesus give the people--thus the written source biblical scholars deduce from their studies. And yes, Matthew wrote the First Gospel, not Mark. And the boy with the loaves and fishes--Jabez, was the adopted child of Peter and his wife who were childless. Jabez became Martial, the first bishop of Limoges and was martyred there. And guess how the Church took root at Antioch? The Revelation gives us so many threads and so many answers to so many questions. Please read this wonder from God's Right Hand. It transports us into another world.
@@patrickowens7221 everyone falls in love with Jabez (Marjiam) or St Martial . That is so moving
Jesus Jesus Jesus 🙏❤️
I have never read the writings of Maria Valtorta, but have read what other visionaries have said so I'm making a general point about personal locutions. They often read like fan fiction, which for those who don't know, is enthusiasts riffing on the theme of a famous writer. This re-emphasises certain passages, or gives a minor character a bigger role, or indulges in what-if speculation, sequels and prequels of a famous work. This tendency is most pronounced among pilgrims (in my experience) who can often be heard saying "I heard that..", before offering some highly contentious claim without any official source. Whether this is harmful or simply over-enthusiasm, is not my point, which is to question why people need regular upgrades from above on a subject that is not open for amendment?
Once you have read it you will understand
@@thecatholicman Perhaps, though from the little I've heard they sound like a GoPro eye view of events that cannot be verified by any other source. Before I embark on Maria's writings, can I be assured they will not read like a creative riff on a theme by a devout and imaginative sensibility?
@@borderlands6606 there is a wealth of verification, that is the whole miracle of the work. www.valtorta.org.au/The-Valtorta-Enigma.pdf
Maria Valorta's book " Poem of the man God " was investigated and found not to be genuine. You are better off reading Anne Catherine Emmrich's books which are genuine.
Anne Catherine emmerichs books have never been declared genuine by the church
Never heard of Maria. What should I know about her and the controversy? Linked to the SSPX somehow?
Nope she is not linked at all to sspx, but some sspx priests recommend her
Why are you harping on about Maria Valtorta...its time to move on...
There's no shortage of wonderfully humble and beautiful saints you can talk about
And there is no shortage of people to promote those saints. How many people bother to promote Maria Valtorta’s books ?
You don't have to listen about Maria Valtorta if u don't want to, some of us want to hear it, I'm sure there's plenty videos about ur fav saints
In a 1985 letter to Cardinal Siri, Archbishop of Genoa, then-Cardinal Ratzinger as prefect of the CDF, said the following about the Poem of the Man God
“A decision against distributing and recommending a work which has not been lightly condemned may be reversed but only after profound changes that neutralize the harm which such publication could bring forth among the ordinary faithful.
[The Poem of the Man God has already been] examined scientifically and placed in a well known category of mental sicknesses…The facts added to the second edition do not change the nature of the work, which evidences being a mountain of childishness, of fantasies and of historical and exegetical falsehoods, diluted in a subtly sensual atmosphere, through the presence of a group of women in the company of Jesus. On the whole, it is a heap of pseudo religiosity. Therefore, also for the second edition the judgment to condemn it retains its validity.”
I find it troubling that Robert is so carelessly promoting something that has been repeatedly condemned by the Church!
Well in a letter written about 10 years later Cardinal Ratzinger lifted that opinion and allowed the books to be promoted as they didn’t go against faith and morals. So decisions change. Cardinal Ratzinger and the writtings of Maria Valtorta.
Also a mad woman would not be able to invent places she could not have known existed and a chronology etc. that is the miracle of the world, it simply can’t be written by someone insane
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@@thecatholicman this is a claim made by a journalist who ADMITS he cannot prove Ratzinger actually gave the green light to publish the work, hence his saying he no longer possesses such letter. By the way, don’t you think he would actually make sure he held onto such a letter? The letter to 1985 letter to Cardinal Siri, cited by myself was of a public and official nature. Therefore, in absence of any proof of any official reversal, what I cited still stands. This claim sounds suspicious to me, as it should to any honest informed observer.
@@gregmockeridge5482 actually the journalist letter is pretty much the same as the letter Ratzinger wrote to Canadian bishops in the 90s, he never pronounced it was supernatural in origin but also said there was nothing that went against faith and morals, many bishops have given permission for the works to be printed. the work is a miracle if you have eyes to see, no human could have written it, not even a mad woman
@@thecatholicman can you provide a link to the supposed letter to the Canadian bishops proving that he in anyway reverses what he wrote to Cdl Siri in 1985?
Plus, by saying “the work is a miracle if you have eyes to eye” you are putting yourself above the Church that has not only not determined such a thing, but has not reversed its long standing condemnation of them.
The Vatican has denounced her writings as total fantasy fiction. Shame on you.
Nope, no such denouncement. In fact the opposite. www.valtorta.org.au/Defence/Maria%20Valtorta%20Summa%20&%20Encyclopedia.pdf
@tomthx5804 There is no such claim by the Vatican. In 1992, the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith gave permission to the laity to read the work of Valtorta if they wanted to. There is plenty of information on this if one really wants to research and get the facts. Decrevi is totally correct and gave a good resource if you actually care about the truth on this.
@@thecatholicman The Vatican has not explicitly labeled The Poem of the Man-God as “fantasy fiction,” but it has consistently raised concerns about its theological and historical reliability. The work has not been approved as an authentic private revelation, and the Church encourages the faithful to approach it with caution. While it is allowed for private reading, it should not be treated as divinely inspired or in line with Church doctrine.
@@thecatholicman They just quote secondary sources and blogs says the man himself.
@@caradofheicthe the detractors haven’t bothered even reading her writings, anyone with objections just quote someone elses objections.