Just a word of advice for who ever installed the panel, strip the outer jacket of your wires longer. Having to troubleshoot a system with tiny wires like that is no fun at all. Also leave a bit of slack inside the panel, the next tech to come behind will appreciate. And the 120V in the same conduit as the low voltage is a no no. Not code and it will not pass inspection.
unfortunately yes you are correct the 120 should be separated from the zones and nacs however we are trying the best to not mess with the original wiring too much theres not much slack due to scrappers getting in and cutting the wiring right next to the conduit so had not much to work with
@@ArgaTheRexouium I would have done a junction box or trough (if too many wires) above the panel. 120v can be in it's own accessible jb close by. And then pipe or armored cable inside the wall, to the panel.
Nice choice with the MS-10UD. Extremely user friendly and simple system. I will warn you your AHJ might give you some shit for having the panels 120VAC in the same conduit as the 24VDC fire alarm circuits. It could cause interference and is against code.
@ oh, didn’t know arga got certified, also note you’ll more than likely be required to upgrade the entire system to new devices and a new, not used panel, and probably get the sprinklers up and going too. I know my state is insanely strict about that
Hey XeroZenith, I was a fire alarm technician back in 2023, You should install a fire alarm booster power supply to hold up all of the notification appliances. I’d recommend the Fire Lite FCPS-24FS8.
Not bad hey, My school has a whole bunch of EST Booster panels in each buildings. They’re all located in custodian rooms. They have an EST3 system with horn strobes and voice evacuation. Anyways I’m not sure why they have too many booster panels. They have over 10 alarms in each building. That’s probably 2.1 or 3A not sure tho.
I'm glad you finally got it working are there any original space age alarms that still work or have all those been retrofitted? Also at 0:46 I spotted what looks like a Sanitaire SC679J which was really interesting because those vacuums are intended for carpet only so I was wondering of that was already in the ward when you bought it and what do you use it for since I haven't seen any carpeted areas.
So weird to hear 2400Hz, like residential smoke alarms in a large commercial building! I do wonder though, is it a mix of Commander 2s and Commander 3s? Or are the high-pitch ones just Commander 3s set to 2400Hz temporal?
Nice choise with the ms 10ud, but theres one thing: You absolutely need to try adressable. And it doesent even have to be all new stiff, used off of ebay will do it to. The panel is 0,5-1k, and the devices will run ya about 3 to 5k. But this systems good for now. Good stuff, keep it going
No they absolutely don't need to try addressable. Building was fitted with a conventional system, they wanted to get the original system going, so they put in a conventional panel.
we decided to stick with conventional as we were donated a conventional panel and budget is tight if we had unlimited funds i would put something like a nfs 640 in
Would've been better with an addressable panel... Because it gives you the exact device when it is activated with an address on it, instead of the zone number. Which has a bunch of conventional devices on that same zone. Although it would be alot expensive to do because of isolator modules, monitor modules, addressable pulls, and smokes.
That would be nice, But upgrading to an addressable system in a building this size would be extremely costly (Well over 50k), especially when considering the regulatory and legal complexities of installing a new system compared to maintaining a grandfathered setup. Would make more sense to use that capital for other parts of the property.
@@XeroZenith my former high school (the same one as LeBron James) still has the original Simplex fire alarm system from 1972; it still works great for being 50 years old. I have a video about it on my channel.
Nice system but you need to change those tones man. Sounds to much like a residential alarm. 2:26 sounds really good. You should do the full PA system next. Try to play music throughout the building and locate speakers.
Unfortunately the Gentex Commander 1's with the piezo tone cannot be changed the device at 2:26 is a Gentex Commander 2 set to electro mechanical tone.
I'm actually surprised at how well it seems to work, i was not expecting that it worked at all. Not sure how strict the requirements are to get a system to be compliant but wonder if this system can be kept and used once everything is fully tested.
@ ahh I see thank you! Then like what year would a system like this be installed, plus I wonder this has to be some at recently abandoned of there is some commander three. Sorry for the ramble reply thank you.
How about a few really cheap security cameras and a few crts to get that horror mood goin Tip: these round, this little small camera with 3 round white lights, silver plastic cover, with a button on top, the rest being out of black plastic, with this stupid stand that is good for nothing, these are absolutely terrible landwaste and are great cams for horror because they suck ass. By the way i got one as a webcam and these are wuite good for actuall security because they are durrable and with a bit of plastic foil they are waterproof. After that you could make great horror films in there and if you do i could try to make cgi in that. (Im terrible but i know how shotcut works and i have the power of making keyframes with a video editor. And i can make retro ui in figma (or whatever you ask me to make it in as long as it is a free program) and i can code scratch programms which is irrelevant but the list is to short and now its long enough. perfect.) By the way renovating a house like that is timeconsuming and i apprecciate the work and effort really especialy when it is so trashed. Also can i have like plans from the house so i can build it in minetest for no reason :)
XeroZenith i collect fire alarms and i was wondering, if you ever upgrade the system would i be able to get some old devices like ther pull stations and horsn strobes and the stopper covers
Just a word of advice for who ever installed the panel, strip the outer jacket of your wires longer. Having to troubleshoot a system with tiny wires like that is no fun at all. Also leave a bit of slack inside the panel, the next tech to come behind will appreciate. And the 120V in the same conduit as the low voltage is a no no. Not code and it will not pass inspection.
unfortunately yes you are correct the 120 should be separated from the zones and nacs however we are trying the best to not mess with the original wiring too much theres not much slack due to scrappers getting in and cutting the wiring right next to the conduit so had not much to work with
@@ArgaTheRexouium I would have done a junction box or trough (if too many wires) above the panel. 120v can be in it's own accessible jb close by. And then pipe or armored cable inside the wall, to the panel.
There is a trough however the 120 also is also in the trough and theres no easy way to separate it as its all emt and buried in plaster
Good to see that the FA system is working! Hope you do some upgrades on the system.
i did not think yall where going to be able to salvage that system! wow!
Always nice having a friend who can help out with different projects.
I’m surprised that a once abandoned building has fire alarms more functional than my high school did and somehow is also 2x as old as my high school.
nice to see your getting the place up and working 👌 probably a good idea to have a working fire system
Yea I did not think it would all work but I stand corrected 😂
new panel some new devices have a ground fault on the 3rd floor that i need to figure out
@@ArgaTheRexouium Probably a wire touching in a conduit box or in the conduit itself, or the cable is damaged.
Nice choice with the MS-10UD. Extremely user friendly and simple system. I will warn you your AHJ might give you some shit for having the panels 120VAC in the same conduit as the 24VDC fire alarm circuits. It could cause interference and is against code.
That is how it was originally installed and approved. Therefore we aren't going to modify it.
If you ever have this building public or habited please have a company install and monitor the system
We have this system monitored by a central station. We are getting everything in the building up to code.
@ oh, didn’t know arga got certified, also note you’ll more than likely be required to upgrade the entire system to new devices and a new, not used panel, and probably get the sprinklers up and going too. I know my state is insanely strict about that
Hey XeroZenith, I was a fire alarm technician back in 2023, You should install a fire alarm booster power supply to hold up all of the notification appliances. I’d recommend the Fire Lite FCPS-24FS8.
Did a current measure in alarm already total draw is About 4.5a so no need as the panel has a 7amp psu
Not bad hey, My school has a whole bunch of EST Booster panels in each buildings. They’re all located in custodian rooms. They have an EST3 system with horn strobes and voice evacuation. Anyways I’m not sure why they have too many booster panels. They have over 10 alarms in each building. That’s probably 2.1 or 3A not sure tho.
nothing like a night in the Psych ward fire alarms screaming and a creepy old and probably haunted piano playing creepy music.
If I was closer I would be there in a heartbeat to help! I would handle the HVAC stuff for ya.
great job on getting the fire system to work
Love these videos. I never owned a building that I could explore, although I acted like it when I was younger. Lol
Very fun to watch!
You should make more videos on the progressive install of the Fire Alarm System! Looking good so far.
0:09 thats vintage S464A Honeywell pull station
now just need a working sprinkler system
I'm glad you finally got it working are there any original space age alarms that still work or have all those been retrofitted? Also at 0:46 I spotted what looks like a Sanitaire SC679J which was really interesting because those vacuums are intended for carpet only so I was wondering of that was already in the ward when you bought it and what do you use it for since I haven't seen any carpeted areas.
That Sanitaire caught my eye as well. A real vacuum, not a disposable vacuum.
@@aberobinson1 Yeah unfortunately you don't see too many of them around anymore I still have one that works from the early 80's they are no joke.
We brought it to the building. It is an amazing vacuum! We do have some carpeted areas.
@@thomaswilkins8168 I have a sanitaire s663 that has a broken cord. Gonna get it repaired and get it working.
I got some of those vacuums and there's just amazing.
So weird to hear 2400Hz, like residential smoke alarms in a large commercial building!
I do wonder though, is it a mix of Commander 2s and Commander 3s?
Or are the high-pitch ones just Commander 3s set to 2400Hz temporal?
Interesting that these had conventional pulls as back in the day many of these used keys in facilities such as these.
Is any original CCTV or access control live?
Well at least the fire department will be happy to that fire alarm system is working
No dialer installed, so they would never know
@Ronnocbot oops I forgot about that piece of equipment
@@Ronnocbot We do have a dialer. We have a dedicated POTS line running to the panel. We also have monitoring service already setup.
@@Ronnocbot ms10ud has a built in udact
@ correct. But it was not wired or programmed.
Nice choise with the ms 10ud, but theres one thing: You absolutely need to try adressable. And it doesent even have to be all new stiff, used off of ebay will do it to. The panel is 0,5-1k, and the devices will run ya about 3 to 5k. But this systems good for now. Good stuff, keep it going
No they absolutely don't need to try addressable. Building was fitted with a conventional system, they wanted to get the original system going, so they put in a conventional panel.
we decided to stick with conventional as we were donated a conventional panel and budget is tight if we had unlimited funds i would put something like a nfs 640 in
@@dylannoalan615 They said it themselves. if they had the budget they would have gotton a nfs640 or something. You are wrong.
Just for the heck of it, try installing a 6" bell in place of one of the horn/strobes :D
Nice. Get all the life safety systems up and running first. You will sleep better at night.
So when is it getting a deep clean
I install Fire-Lite so feel free to reach out with any questions.
POV you work at a convenience store and some kid pulled the allarm and you can’t find the anunceator key
Funny how i was about to commet about this on the last posted video, glad to see its alive
Neighbors must love you
yayayayyaya I like learning more about these oddly obnoxious but also nice alarm systems lol
nice! seems like a fire lite ud panel of some kind?
I would love to clean that up seriously i have major ocd if i could i would i just need proper equipment PPE and music lol
Do a test on a generator backup
Would've been better with an addressable panel... Because it gives you the exact device when it is activated with an address on it, instead of the zone number. Which has a bunch of conventional devices on that same zone. Although it would be alot expensive to do because of isolator modules, monitor modules, addressable pulls, and smokes.
That would be nice, But upgrading to an addressable system in a building this size would be extremely costly (Well over 50k), especially when considering the regulatory and legal complexities of installing a new system compared to maintaining a grandfathered setup. Would make more sense to use that capital for other parts of the property.
@@XeroZenith True, the 10UD works pretty well for what you are going to use it for...
@@XeroZenith my former high school (the same one as LeBron James) still has the original Simplex fire alarm system from 1972; it still works great for being 50 years old. I have a video about it on my channel.
Far out man. Getting there. Shit that's a big joint lol.
Now for getting the sprinkler heads back in service!
yessss
So did you install a new panel? I believe I saw that the original panels were gutted in a previous video.
yse was a gamewell firequest now a ms10ud
videos on the progressive install of the Fire Alarm System!
You should install motion detectors that are connected to the fire alarm so if someone sets one off it goes off
Like he wants it to pass fire inspection so thats a terrible idea
@@TheClayton306can’t you use a different tone
@@ShiaGaming88 For motion detectors and door contacts, a security panel is needed. Like a Honeywell Vista panel.
orr security-
@@Colby.Hutchinson A security panel is better, than paying for someone to guard the building.
Awesome!!!!!!!
Nice system but you need to change those tones man. Sounds to much like a residential alarm. 2:26 sounds really good.
You should do the full PA system next. Try to play music throughout the building and locate speakers.
Unfortunately the Gentex Commander 1's with the piezo tone cannot be changed the device at 2:26 is a Gentex Commander 2 set to electro mechanical tone.
@@thomaswilkins8168beat me to it. Correct!
I love that tone at 2:26. Wish my home alarm sounded like that.
@ Sounds like you need to buy a Gentex Commander 2 or 3
Or a Commander 4, but the Commander 4 is ceiling mount only.
I'm actually surprised at how well it seems to work, i was not expecting that it worked at all. Not sure how strict the requirements are to get a system to be compliant but wonder if this system can be kept and used once everything is fully tested.
HEY! you fixed the pannel
I think they purchased a new one as someone pulled the old one out
@@Colby.Hutchinsonyeah used to be a grinnell firequest now a ms10ud 7
How many elevators are in this building
From the original tour, just one (and it's been deactivated currently)
just one old dover
Man i love to be there working on that system lol looks fun!! What panel is it?
Id*
Fire-Lite MS-10UD
@@Berge99075 XD
Nice, tht was quick!
did someone bm on the wall at 4:16?
How common are commander 1 systems I’ve been looking around me I rarely see any. Heck I rarely see Gentex systems near me.
i worked on a couple not very common now
@ ahh I see thank you! Then like what year would a system like this be installed, plus I wonder this has to be some at recently abandoned of there is some commander three. Sorry for the ramble reply thank you.
How about a few really cheap security cameras and a few crts to get that horror mood goin
Tip: these round, this little small camera with 3 round white lights, silver plastic cover, with a button on top, the rest being out of black plastic, with this stupid stand that is good for nothing, these are absolutely terrible landwaste and are great cams for horror because they suck ass. By the way i got one as a webcam and these are wuite good for actuall security because they are durrable and with a bit of plastic foil they are waterproof. After that you could make great horror films in there and if you do i could try to make cgi in that. (Im terrible but i know how shotcut works and i have the power of making keyframes with a video editor. And i can make retro ui in figma (or whatever you ask me to make it in as long as it is a free program) and i can code scratch programms which is irrelevant but the list is to short and now its long enough. perfect.)
By the way renovating a house like that is timeconsuming and i apprecciate the work and effort really especialy when it is so trashed.
Also can i have like plans from the house so i can build it in minetest for no reason :)
it aint a house, it's a hospital
@@DanTDMJaceerm, actually it's a psych ward
@@16BitDoggo erm, a psych ward is a type of hospital
Is the panel new? Did the old panel that was stolen have 10 zones? Will you be getting some batteries for the panel?
Yes to all three.
Did that system call the fire Dept in the past?
yes but the caller is not connected
All systems are required to to meet code.
XeroZenith i collect fire alarms and i was wondering, if you ever upgrade the system would i be able to get some old devices like ther pull stations and horsn strobes and the stopper covers
I can give u some
@@FireSafetyTech you can contact me from the info in my bio
The smoke detectors might need to be replaced tho . Thes look rough
ill be testing them before i trust them they are about 30 years old now
Did you replace some alarms with some new commander 3's?
yes need to set the tones to at least mostly match still
Gentex commander 2s cool
Nice.🎉
Is that alarm broken 3:53 it sounds raspy compared to the other alarms.
It might be on a different tone because some of the alarms have multiple tones
It's on a different tone
Do you plan on replacing the old fluorescent lights with LEDs?
He’s slowly replacing the bulbs with led tubes as they burn out if I remember right
correct
Is the system for fun or u need it
We are required to have a working fire alarm system in this building.
Gentex 2
gentex commander 1s with 3s replacing failed devices
What about smoke detector
we have mostly system sensor 1400 detectors been replacing the dead ones with I3