If you own something, of course you should have the right to repair it. Look at what Apple, John Deere and many others are doing. Politicians just want to protect corporations. You’re wrong. If you own something it’s yours to do what you want. Who cares if someone screws up their own car. Who are you defending? Manufacturers are making it more difficult. Nobody in R2R is asking for free stuff. You’re wrong here.
@ToddMcDonald-zh4ym until these corporations monopolize there market and lobby government to write laws and regulations to prevent other startups in that industry.
@@ToddMcDonald-zh4ym AND you have the freaking RIGHT to do WHATEVER THE HELL you want to do to the item you BOUGHT!! INCLUDING repair it to your hearts content!
Imagine spending $60k on a truck and not having the “right” to repair your own truck. All in the name of “safety” and “security.” You will own nothing and you will be happy, eh comrade. As if OEMs aren’t making record profits. I mean you’re paying a UAW worker $40 an hour to put valve covers on. Trust me, OEMs are doing fine.
No one gives out free information. It's their choice to help or support you. Everything costs money now. Nothing is free. Do you give away free stuff for nothing in return?
Wrong. What the consumer wants is access to all the software and flash files that are required to fix their car when a module goes bad instead of being FORCED to pay a shop to do it because that stuff is just completely out of reach for the average person! I have a shop level scan tool. Works great. I paid well over a grand for it. You know what I CANT do with it though? Replace a PCM with a new one. Replace a BCM with a new one. Etc. I can buy the module. I can install the module. But it wont freaking work! You have to have paid subscriptions, that cost a freaking fortune, to these damn OEMs to get that shit, and it should be FREE even to a damn shop!! The OEM should NOT have the ability to CHARGE YOU for the code required to make a damn module, that they ALREADY charge you a MINT for, actually function in your car!
@@puterg0d The average "DIY" can't even replace spark plugs or brakes without screwing something up, the average car owner doesn't even know how to air up their tires anymore. The the last thing they need is access to programming highly complex modules. We're past the point where DIY is even feasible anymore, you need to be an engineer to understand today's vehicle systems.. and a mechanic's pay certainly doesn't reflect that.
@@COBRO98 That is a GROSS overgeneralization built on a mountain of disinformation. The average "car owner" maybe, but to be considered a "diyer" you have to actually have a working knowledge of what you are doing. I'm an IT guy and do ALL of my own work (that I am able to, had to pay a shop a ridiculous amount to flash a brand new PCM - kinda the whole point of this conversation). Just in the past year or so I rebuilt the top end of a HEMI due to lifter-cam failure, rebuilt dang near the entire car of my son's Honda Accord due to being an unsafe POS (replaced engine - after doing a timing job, seeing how poor condition the engine was in, then realizing the head gasket was blown and settled on replacing the engine instead of completely rebuilding it, replaced the entire suspension, all motor/tranny mounts, headlight, mirror, entire cooling system, and a few other things here and there, just to make the care "safe" for my grand daughter to be riding in), replaced the transmission in my daughter's Jetta (due to her using the wrong fluid thanks to a poor recommendation by Oriellys), replaced the entire suspension of a Jeep Grand Cherokee (and several interior components that were worn out) with upgraded components including all poly bushings, did some "weight savings" and "preemptive replacements" on a 3500, and of course routine maintenance on several vehicles (I own 6 myself, and my two oldest kids each have one plus my son's baby momma). Next up is a hellcat SC install with all the related components on the Jeep.
As someone who has been programming modules at home and in my driveway for years, I'm really struggling to understand what people are doing to cause problems or make programming difficult. NASTF VSP really annoys me because there isn't a self-repair consumer option for single VINs that doesn't require all the extra insurance and licensing. Why do I have to prove I'm not a criminal, get a business license, and buy massive business liability insurance policies when I can prove that I own the vehicle?
I agree that not every Joe Schmo needs programming info free on Google. Your points are valid regarding proprietary information and the possibility of bricking an expensive module. Consider also the other extreme: subscription for options. Bmw (maybe Tesla) charges a monthly fee on certain models to enable seat heater the car owner already owns. Defining ownership critical here. Please rant on this.
You have a right to repair. You don’t have a right to information. I get paid to reverse engineer things when someone is withholding information we need to repair.
You DO have the right to information when the OEM forces you to obtain information in order for a part that you PAID FOR, for a vehicle you PAID FOR actually FUNCTION. Then yes, the mere purchase of the vehicle and the part ENTITLES you to that information. Now, if they sold brand new modules already programmed, and all you have to do was plug in a scan tool and write the vin, at the absolute most, then, and ONLY then, would your argument hold any weight whatsoever. But they do not. They sell them blank, then make you pay out the ass to get it "programmed". a PERFECT example... You buy a new computer. 1 year, 2 years, 6 years later the hard drive dies. You have a RIGHT to the operating system that you BOUGHT WITH THE COMPUTER so you can reinstall it on the new hard rive that you just bought that came blank. You also have the RIGHT to ALL of the hardware drivers that originally came on the computer so that you can make all your "modules" work again. This is literally NO DIFFERENT!!
Sorry but right to repair is right to repair flat out. The argument you used could be used against farmers with john deer tractors as well. Everyone should have access, and the market will sort itself out in the end. Shops that can't program simply will be forced to send programming issues else where because they wont be able to afford the cost of repeat failures. Any diyer taking on the level of repair required for programming most likely knows enough to understand what they are getting into. Hell ecu flashing has been a thing for decades, that is a form of programming and its done constantly.
Information or support is not free. It's the property of the creator. You have the right to do whatever you want with a product. Nobody has to help/support you with information to fix it, which costs extra. Does a repair shop give you free help or information? NO
@@ToddMcDonald-zh4ym you are lumping two separate issues into one to mask the truth. Right to repair is demanding the access to repair information. That should be free and public. The manufacturers already write this information in the form of workshop manuals, there is zero reason this should not be public info accessible by all. The idea of random unqualified people calling a manufacturers support line is a different concern entirely, and the right to repair groups are not asking for that. They are asking for access to the repair information, tools, and parts needed and nothing more
I just programmed a new key for my Lexus. Had to wechat some guy in China to get it done. $55 well spent. I appreciate the extra security, but that doesn't exist when someone can just have someone in China that is giving them the 3 programming codes.
Quite frankly I’ve started looking for older vehicles with the minimum amount of “programmable keys” if I’m purchasing. I can’t afford the scanner. I can’t afford the dealer. I can’t afford the $200-400 service trip JUST because a manufacturer wants to play red tape software games with my car title! So it’s off to older stuff and vehicles without push buttons for ignition switches to avoid the thousands of dollars when it comes to my own personal vehicles. It’s not that I wouldn’t want to have the convenience, but I sure as heck don’t want to fix it!
Automotive repair is the type of industry where if you took off 5-7 years and returned to auto repair, you gone need all new tools. Your stuff is outdated. You outdated! Whereas in other trades that pays the same or more money, you spend a couple of thousand dollars, you set for life! In auto repair you could spend 300 thousand dollars and not make a dime more. Your diagnostic scanners be all outdated in 3-5 years. Toss em in the trash and buy all new crap. About the time you pay the scan tool off, it's past time to buy a new one. Even hand tools get outdated but especially special tools. Jobs that use to be a weekly thing, all those are gone and been replaced by something else. Do you have any Torx Plus? They getting more popular, you gone have to buy it. Then in a few years you won't need it anymore. All those cars be in the crusher!
While its true technicians get hit the hardest it would also be disingenuous to state that any other trade wouldnt also have to upgrade their tools and equipment after 20-30-40 years... Every trade has inovations that are going to keep you buying tools to be more efficient.
@@JackDaniels-v6f I did this, sorta. I worked in an independent import auto shop. I quit there and worked from my home garage for 6 years. I learned that my administrative skills and time management weren't top notch. After that I was hired into a new car dealership. Training was like drinking from a fire hose for a while. I was a master certified ASE technician, but not trained in current technology. Tools were slightly different too but my basic tools really didn't need replacement. And no I don't I don't have torx plus. I need them, though. Neiko set is $24 online, the snap on set is $510..... hmmmmm......
@@zachroberts1988 How many mechanics would say if stolen they could replace all their tools for $3500 today, or even 5000? Even if you toss in the truck or van of an HVAC company, the amount the auto mechanic invested in tools is staggering. Could be equal to a new home or a 30-40 year retirement plan! And eventually alternative fuels and EV WILL take over, that means more of these automotive tools will become obsolete.
@JackDaniels-v6f well i run a welding business "on the side" and i already have amassed a little over 50k in tools in addition to the 50 or 60k i invesfed in mechanics tools for my day job... any trade is expensive but again ill say most technicians get the raw deal with little to no help from their shop. Yes everything eventually becomes obsolete and itll happen at least once in your lifetime, but why complain about something we all knew going in... the tools my dad or grandfather used back in the day hold almost zero relevancy to today but they still had to be purchased to do work 50+ years ago.
Interesting viewpoint. Pay to play. No different than buying a socket to remove an oil sending unit. Do you or your shop invest the money for programming and how long is it for a ROI. I’m retired now. Was doing GM and Ford programming mostly for module replacement. I’ve heard it has really tripled in last ten years.
Wrong. It is very different. Buying a scanner. Buying a jbox. Buying a laptop. Those are tools, just like the socket. However, paying a damn subscription to an OEM just to be able to flash a new PCM is BULLSHIT. I'll give you the example I gave someone else: You have the RIGHT to information when the OEM forces you to obtain information in order for a part that you PAID FOR, for a vehicle you PAID FOR actually FUNCTION. The mere purchase of the vehicle and the part ENTITLES you to that information. Now, if they sold brand new modules already programmed, and all you have to do was plug in a scan tool and write the vin, at the absolute most, then, and ONLY then, would any arguments against that information being FREELY available to the purchaser of the vehicle hold any weight whatsoever. But they do not. They sell them blank, then make you pay out the ass to get it "programmed". a PERFECT example... You buy a new computer. 1 year, 2 years, 6 years later the hard drive dies. You have a RIGHT to the operating system that you BOUGHT WITH THE COMPUTER so you can reinstall it on the new hard rive that you just bought that came blank. You also have the RIGHT to ALL of the hardware drivers that originally came on the computer so that you can make all your "modules" work again. This is literally NO DIFFERENT!!
@@puterg0dWow. I really did not mean to trigger you on this subject. I only owned a shop for 36 years and worked as tech at Subaru dealer 14 more before that all starting in 1972.. Believe me I was just as upset as anyone to pay 2-6 thousand for Snap on and Autel scanners that weren’t able to complete a job with programming fees. Controlling and selling this information that was readily available a couple of decades back sucks. It’s a money grab by the manufacturer. Every day I watch these videos reminds me why I’m glad I’m retired. BTW 70 ain’t a roll in the hay. I’m paying with joint issues now. I have absolutely no argument with you on the way we are treated in this business. My concern was who pays for all these tools and subscriptions that we will never end at this point. I’m sick of all the invasion of privacy, was mostly cell phones but now cars are tracking us. The average tech can’t afford to buy these scanners /scopes that will be obsolete before they are worn out. Ask me how I know. I’m very pissed at not having the ability as the owner and technician NOT to be able to do much more than basic service to my newer car. But I’m just as pissed knowing the techs at the dealer may have to guess at how to fix more than a module replacement. Will they be able to track wiring harness issues. I’m pissed my 50 yrs in this business means nothing in the future. I sure hope you can succeed or change professions before it burns you out like it did me.
Just another pia,I started to process a while back but got too busy to finish the process for vsp,its a bunch of bueacracy with a middle man i have to pay to do what i had already been doing before,of coarse it then pisses me of lol
If right to repair passed maybe the programming wouldn’t be so bad!? Maybe it would actually force the manufacturer to improve the programming process, make it more intuitive, less prone to errors, more robust. That would be the better approach and you can’t argue that wouldn’t be better for the industry.
What is the real reason for the overcomplication? Only real reason is to raise prices and prevent self repair. Any minuscule improves are vastly outweighed by costs. It has literally taken 20+ years for heavy truck fuel economy to even get in the low end of what it was,cars are just as bad. Remember in 1980's-"90's
Fuel economy was better in the 90's than it is today, the reason is the average car is now 1000lbs heavier. I don't know why manufacturers think an economy sedan needs GDI pushing 300hp but here we are. Stupid. Half ton trucks have become so heavy that it's not even safe to lift them anymore, most shops are still using 20 year old lifts rated for 7000lbs. A lot of half tons weigh nearly that much, it's crazy.
@chuckmiddaugh7908 No, it's a privilege. If you choose to purchase a vehicle, you choose to afford it financially. It's not a necessity. Entitlement leads to delusions.
@chuckmiddaugh7908 Having stuff is good as long as it does not consume you. Stuff only brings so much happiness. That is my opinion, which doesn't really mean much anyway. Keep grinding 💪.
There shouldn’t be any proprietary information for vehicles. When you purchase the vehicle, it is yours, and you should have complete access to anything regarding your vehicle. I may be old, when I had a 1967 nova, I had access and any information for my vehicle. I could fix anything on it, so with that being said, when you purchase vehicles you should have an equal right to fix it. You shouldn’t have to spend thousands of dollars in special equipment to fix your own vehicle. Life was so much better then.
GM didn't give you a copy of the parts diagrams, wiring, or trans rebuild procedures when you bought that Nova, just like they don't for 2024 model vehicle. Your point is just that vehicles are harder to fix?
@@thisisausername1265 back then you could easily pick up a Chilton or Haynes manual from your local library for free if you needed to fix your Nova, Chevelle, Camaro, Mustang, Galaxy, etc.
@@thisisausername1265 Actually they would sell you the entire repair manual at the dealership back then, they stopped that in the 90's. I've had older guys tell me they would hand out the repair manual with new car purchases a lot of the time if you simply asked for it.
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If you own something, of course you should have the right to repair it. Look at what Apple, John Deere and many others are doing. Politicians just want to protect corporations. You’re wrong. If you own something it’s yours to do what you want. Who cares if someone screws up their own car. Who are you defending? Manufacturers are making it more difficult. Nobody in R2R is asking for free stuff. You’re wrong here.
You can choose what you buy. Freedom of choice.
@ToddMcDonald-zh4ym until these corporations monopolize there market and lobby government to write laws and regulations to prevent other startups in that industry.
@@ToddMcDonald-zh4ym I can no longer choose to buy a new car without tpms or backup camera. Those choices have been legislated off the menu.
@chuckmiddaugh7908 Those two safety features are great. No law has ever said driving was a right anyway. Walk,bike,take transit.
@@ToddMcDonald-zh4ym AND you have the freaking RIGHT to do WHATEVER THE HELL you want to do to the item you BOUGHT!! INCLUDING repair it to your hearts content!
Imagine spending $60k on a truck and not having the “right” to repair your own truck. All in the name of “safety” and “security.” You will own nothing and you will be happy, eh comrade.
As if OEMs aren’t making record profits. I mean you’re paying a UAW worker $40 an hour to put valve covers on. Trust me, OEMs are doing fine.
No one gives out free information. It's their choice to help or support you. Everything costs money now. Nothing is free. Do you give away free stuff for nothing in return?
$60k? Must be last years leftover,stripped out loaner
What the consumer wants is the computer that tells them what’s wrong with said vehicle and I own one between my ears and it costs money
Wrong. What the consumer wants is access to all the software and flash files that are required to fix their car when a module goes bad instead of being FORCED to pay a shop to do it because that stuff is just completely out of reach for the average person! I have a shop level scan tool. Works great. I paid well over a grand for it. You know what I CANT do with it though? Replace a PCM with a new one. Replace a BCM with a new one. Etc. I can buy the module. I can install the module. But it wont freaking work! You have to have paid subscriptions, that cost a freaking fortune, to these damn OEMs to get that shit, and it should be FREE even to a damn shop!! The OEM should NOT have the ability to CHARGE YOU for the code required to make a damn module, that they ALREADY charge you a MINT for, actually function in your car!
@@puterg0d right..
@@puterg0d The average "DIY" can't even replace spark plugs or brakes without screwing something up, the average car owner doesn't even know how to air up their tires anymore. The the last thing they need is access to programming highly complex modules.
We're past the point where DIY is even feasible anymore, you need to be an engineer to understand today's vehicle systems.. and a mechanic's pay certainly doesn't reflect that.
@@COBRO98 That is a GROSS overgeneralization built on a mountain of disinformation. The average "car owner" maybe, but to be considered a "diyer" you have to actually have a working knowledge of what you are doing. I'm an IT guy and do ALL of my own work (that I am able to, had to pay a shop a ridiculous amount to flash a brand new PCM - kinda the whole point of this conversation). Just in the past year or so I rebuilt the top end of a HEMI due to lifter-cam failure, rebuilt dang near the entire car of my son's Honda Accord due to being an unsafe POS (replaced engine - after doing a timing job, seeing how poor condition the engine was in, then realizing the head gasket was blown and settled on replacing the engine instead of completely rebuilding it, replaced the entire suspension, all motor/tranny mounts, headlight, mirror, entire cooling system, and a few other things here and there, just to make the care "safe" for my grand daughter to be riding in), replaced the transmission in my daughter's Jetta (due to her using the wrong fluid thanks to a poor recommendation by Oriellys), replaced the entire suspension of a Jeep Grand Cherokee (and several interior components that were worn out) with upgraded components including all poly bushings, did some "weight savings" and "preemptive replacements" on a 3500, and of course routine maintenance on several vehicles (I own 6 myself, and my two oldest kids each have one plus my son's baby momma). Next up is a hellcat SC install with all the related components on the Jeep.
Trust myself with my truck before any shop or dealership
As someone who has been programming modules at home and in my driveway for years, I'm really struggling to understand what people are doing to cause problems or make programming difficult. NASTF VSP really annoys me because there isn't a self-repair consumer option for single VINs that doesn't require all the extra insurance and licensing. Why do I have to prove I'm not a criminal, get a business license, and buy massive business liability insurance policies when I can prove that I own the vehicle?
I agree that not every Joe Schmo needs programming info free on Google. Your points are valid regarding proprietary information and the possibility of bricking an expensive module. Consider also the other extreme: subscription for options. Bmw (maybe Tesla) charges a monthly fee on certain models to enable seat heater the car owner already owns. Defining ownership critical here. Please rant on this.
You have a right to repair. You don’t have a right to information. I get paid to reverse engineer things when someone is withholding information we need to repair.
You DO have the right to information when the OEM forces you to obtain information in order for a part that you PAID FOR, for a vehicle you PAID FOR actually FUNCTION. Then yes, the mere purchase of the vehicle and the part ENTITLES you to that information.
Now, if they sold brand new modules already programmed, and all you have to do was plug in a scan tool and write the vin, at the absolute most, then, and ONLY then, would your argument hold any weight whatsoever. But they do not. They sell them blank, then make you pay out the ass to get it "programmed".
a PERFECT example... You buy a new computer. 1 year, 2 years, 6 years later the hard drive dies. You have a RIGHT to the operating system that you BOUGHT WITH THE COMPUTER so you can reinstall it on the new hard rive that you just bought that came blank. You also have the RIGHT to ALL of the hardware drivers that originally came on the computer so that you can make all your "modules" work again.
This is literally NO DIFFERENT!!
Sorry but right to repair is right to repair flat out. The argument you used could be used against farmers with john deer tractors as well. Everyone should have access, and the market will sort itself out in the end. Shops that can't program simply will be forced to send programming issues else where because they wont be able to afford the cost of repeat failures. Any diyer taking on the level of repair required for programming most likely knows enough to understand what they are getting into. Hell ecu flashing has been a thing for decades, that is a form of programming and its done constantly.
Information or support is not free. It's the property of the creator. You have the right to do whatever you want with a product. Nobody has to help/support you with information to fix it, which costs extra. Does a repair shop give you free help or information? NO
@@ToddMcDonald-zh4ym you are lumping two separate issues into one to mask the truth. Right to repair is demanding the access to repair information. That should be free and public. The manufacturers already write this information in the form of workshop manuals, there is zero reason this should not be public info accessible by all. The idea of random unqualified people calling a manufacturers support line is a different concern entirely, and the right to repair groups are not asking for that. They are asking for access to the repair information, tools, and parts needed and nothing more
I just programmed a new key for my Lexus. Had to wechat some guy in China to get it done. $55 well spent. I appreciate the extra security, but that doesn't exist when someone can just have someone in China that is giving them the 3 programming codes.
Quite frankly I’ve started looking for older vehicles with the minimum amount of “programmable keys” if I’m purchasing. I can’t afford the scanner. I can’t afford the dealer. I can’t afford the $200-400 service trip JUST because a manufacturer wants to play red tape software games with my car title! So it’s off to older stuff and vehicles without push buttons for ignition switches to avoid the thousands of dollars when it comes to my own personal vehicles. It’s not that I wouldn’t want to have the convenience, but I sure as heck don’t want to fix it!
Aftermarket parts are garbage Especially Dorman...... Autozone, Oreilly , Napa All junk I buy parts from the dealership oem.
Mike should have a podcast exchange of ideas with Louis Rossmann, the godfather of right-to-repair.
Automotive repair is the type of industry where if you took off 5-7 years and returned to auto repair, you gone need all new tools. Your stuff is outdated. You outdated!
Whereas in other trades that pays the same or more money, you spend a couple of thousand dollars, you set for life! In auto repair you could spend 300 thousand dollars and not make a dime more. Your diagnostic scanners be all outdated in 3-5 years. Toss em in the trash and buy all new crap. About the time you pay the scan tool off, it's past time to buy a new one.
Even hand tools get outdated but especially special tools. Jobs that use to be a weekly thing, all those are gone and been replaced by something else. Do you have any Torx Plus? They getting more popular, you gone have to buy it. Then in a few years you won't need it anymore. All those cars be in the crusher!
Auto repair is an ass industry
While its true technicians get hit the hardest it would also be disingenuous to state that any other trade wouldnt also have to upgrade their tools and equipment after 20-30-40 years... Every trade has inovations that are going to keep you buying tools to be more efficient.
@@JackDaniels-v6f I did this, sorta. I worked in an independent import auto shop. I quit there and worked from my home garage for 6 years. I learned that my administrative skills and time management weren't top notch. After that I was hired into a new car dealership. Training was like drinking from a fire hose for a while. I was a master certified ASE technician, but not trained in current technology. Tools were slightly different too but my basic tools really didn't need replacement. And no I don't I don't have torx plus. I need them, though. Neiko set is $24 online, the snap on set is $510..... hmmmmm......
@@zachroberts1988 How many mechanics would say if stolen they could replace all their tools for $3500 today, or even 5000? Even if you toss in the truck or van of an HVAC company, the amount the auto mechanic invested in tools is staggering. Could be equal to a new home or a 30-40 year retirement plan!
And eventually alternative fuels and EV WILL take over, that means more of these automotive tools will become obsolete.
@JackDaniels-v6f well i run a welding business "on the side" and i already have amassed a little over 50k in tools in addition to the 50 or 60k i invesfed in mechanics tools for my day job... any trade is expensive but again ill say most technicians get the raw deal with little to no help from their shop.
Yes everything eventually becomes obsolete and itll happen at least once in your lifetime, but why complain about something we all knew going in... the tools my dad or grandfather used back in the day hold almost zero relevancy to today but they still had to be purchased to do work 50+ years ago.
I wish an individual tech could get an lsid so not to be dependant on the shop you work at.
This was my issue, as a W2 employee "just getting an VSP cred" isn't so easy.
I agree with u
Interesting viewpoint.
Pay to play. No different than buying a socket to remove an oil sending unit.
Do you or your shop invest the money for programming and how long is it for a ROI.
I’m retired now. Was doing GM and Ford programming mostly for module replacement.
I’ve heard it has really tripled in last ten years.
Wrong. It is very different. Buying a scanner. Buying a jbox. Buying a laptop. Those are tools, just like the socket. However, paying a damn subscription to an OEM just to be able to flash a new PCM is BULLSHIT. I'll give you the example I gave someone else:
You have the RIGHT to information when the OEM forces you to obtain information in order for a part that you PAID FOR, for a vehicle you PAID FOR actually FUNCTION. The mere purchase of the vehicle and the part ENTITLES you to that information.
Now, if they sold brand new modules already programmed, and all you have to do was plug in a scan tool and write the vin, at the absolute most, then, and ONLY then, would any arguments against that information being FREELY available to the purchaser of the vehicle hold any weight whatsoever. But they do not. They sell them blank, then make you pay out the ass to get it "programmed".
a PERFECT example... You buy a new computer. 1 year, 2 years, 6 years later the hard drive dies. You have a RIGHT to the operating system that you BOUGHT WITH THE COMPUTER so you can reinstall it on the new hard rive that you just bought that came blank. You also have the RIGHT to ALL of the hardware drivers that originally came on the computer so that you can make all your "modules" work again.
This is literally NO DIFFERENT!!
@@puterg0dWow. I really did not mean to trigger you on this subject. I only owned a shop for 36 years and worked as tech at Subaru dealer 14 more before that all starting in 1972..
Believe me I was just as upset as anyone to pay 2-6 thousand for Snap on and Autel scanners that weren’t able to complete a job with programming fees.
Controlling and selling this information that was readily available a couple of decades back sucks. It’s a money grab by the manufacturer.
Every day I watch these videos reminds me why I’m glad I’m retired. BTW 70 ain’t a roll in the hay. I’m paying with joint issues now.
I have absolutely no argument with you on the way we are treated in this business.
My concern was who pays for all these tools and subscriptions that we will never end at this point. I’m sick of all the invasion of privacy, was mostly cell phones but now cars are tracking us.
The average tech can’t afford to buy these scanners /scopes that will be obsolete before they are worn out. Ask me how I know.
I’m very pissed at not having the ability as the owner and technician NOT to be able to do much more than basic service to my newer car. But I’m just as pissed knowing the techs at the dealer may have to guess at how to fix more than a module replacement. Will they be able to track wiring harness issues. I’m pissed my 50 yrs in this business means nothing in the future.
I sure hope you can succeed or change professions before it burns you out like it did me.
@@puterg0d your dumb..so your saying just because you bought windows 10, you deserve access to it's source code? LOL. Your comparing apples to oranges
Thanks.
Just another pia,I started to process a while back but got too busy to finish the process for vsp,its a bunch of bueacracy with a middle man i have to pay to do what i had already been doing before,of coarse it then pisses me of lol
If right to repair passed maybe the programming wouldn’t be so bad!? Maybe it would actually force the manufacturer to improve the programming process, make it more intuitive, less prone to errors, more robust. That would be the better approach and you can’t argue that wouldn’t be better for the industry.
Are you nastf licensed flat rate master
Highly doubt it. It's arduous
I have read all the comments. Nobody has to help or support your repairs. That costs money. Do automotive shops do free diagnostics? Absolutely not!
What is the real reason for the overcomplication? Only real reason is to raise prices and prevent self repair. Any minuscule improves are vastly outweighed by costs. It has literally taken 20+ years for heavy truck fuel economy to even get in the low end of what it was,cars are just as bad. Remember in 1980's-"90's
Fuel economy was better in the 90's than it is today, the reason is the average car is now 1000lbs heavier. I don't know why manufacturers think an economy sedan needs GDI pushing 300hp but here we are. Stupid.
Half ton trucks have become so heavy that it's not even safe to lift them anymore, most shops are still using 20 year old lifts rated for 7000lbs. A lot of half tons weigh nearly that much, it's crazy.
Free market economy. Companies own their property. Restricted information prevents hack jobs. You want to play, you have to pay.
@@ToddMcDonald-zh4ym If Todd buys a car from Chevrolet, does Todd own the car or does Chevrolet?
@chuckmiddaugh7908 No, it's a privilege. If you choose to purchase a vehicle, you choose to afford it financially. It's not a necessity. Entitlement leads to delusions.
@@ToddMcDonald-zh4ym "I will own nothing and be happy?"
@chuckmiddaugh7908 Having stuff is good as long as it does not consume you. Stuff only brings so much happiness. That is my opinion, which doesn't really mean much anyway. Keep grinding 💪.
@@ToddMcDonald-zh4ym Agreed.
There shouldn’t be any proprietary information for vehicles. When you purchase the vehicle, it is yours, and you should have complete access to anything regarding your vehicle. I may be old, when I had a 1967 nova, I had access and any information for my vehicle. I could fix anything on it, so with that being said, when you purchase vehicles you should have an equal right to fix it. You shouldn’t have to spend thousands of dollars in special equipment to fix your own vehicle. Life was so much better then.
GM didn't give you a copy of the parts diagrams, wiring, or trans rebuild procedures when you bought that Nova, just like they don't for 2024 model vehicle. Your point is just that vehicles are harder to fix?
@@thisisausername1265 back then you could easily pick up a Chilton or Haynes manual from your local library for free if you needed to fix your Nova, Chevelle, Camaro, Mustang, Galaxy, etc.
@@jawndoekck Somebody paid for it though, for it to be in the library. You can get alldata/mitchell at some libraries also for free.
@@thisisausername1265 Actually they would sell you the entire repair manual at the dealership back then, they stopped that in the 90's. I've had older guys tell me they would hand out the repair manual with new car purchases a lot of the time if you simply asked for it.